2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's hastening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above.

your last statement is the reason i believe people with enough privilege don't know about a lot of things in the real world. they may have money, they may have degrees but most of them don't know shit about the real world. as far as cloudseeding, that sounds like a possibility, but, like i keep saying, personally, i'm not ready to believe without proof.

PeteSilas said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

The kinds of "chemtrails" mentioned here by the guy seeing criss cross patterns are real. It's called cloud seeding and has been resumed in SoCal (where'd I'm at) for several years now. Apparently the efforts before ended in the early 80's but there's a desperate concern for making more rainfall out here (*instead of distillation plants which would offend rich neighbors everywhere) I've had people deny them while they were looking at them. They ARE a cause for concern because the substance of them is never truly given an open audience Ruth the public. You can Google search cloudseeding California and you'll get tiny reports about acknowledgements. But until there is a public disclosure of flight plans and "do not be alarmed" memos, one can't say for certain whether they're even "immunizing" or poisoning the public. Most people i know who have a certain amount of money, don't even recognize that it's happening cause they stay in modified air sources all day. Home, office, car. They truly have no idea of the sky above. And though it IS happening. ..what agency is responsible? Why is there no transparency in any of this? It's a fucking public matter? [Edited 1/2/18 18:42pm]

Also Known as Geo ENgineering...click the links to learn more about some of the catastrophic consequences as a result of rogue experimentations...

Governments are spraying all kinds of crap into our atmosphere..

Sulphate/Sulphuric Acid/Sulphur Dioxide, Titania, Silicon Carbide, Calcium Carbonate, Alumina, Silica, and Zinc Oxide are just a few..the intention is to reflect the suns rays away from our planet

in a bid to arrest Global warming.

As we know...basic law of physics..for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

However in this case we dont exactly KNOW what that will be...

There is NEVER any transparency into any actions Governments take

where the Longterm outcomes are unknown

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

I never read that Patti said that.

It wasn't Patti that said it, it was Chaka Khan:" He seemed to get a little more paranoid on the one hand, and on the other hand he became more of a human being. He became more humane. You get older and wiser, and you see the commonology of man, how we are all intertwined, we are all the same. It seemed like he'd come to that sort of recognition in life. I was happy to see that. (GQ "Prince's friends share their best Prince stories" December 8, 2016)

hmm, morris hayes was saying that in the interviews i've heard. he said that after he left in 2011 prince got more lax, i think someone else said something about Prince 'not giving a shit" after a point too.cant think of who it was offhand.

PeteSilas said:

i started with morris because it's fresh in my mind, i've been listening to all of his interviews.

precioux said:

PeteSilas said:

hmm, morris hayes was saying that in the interviews i've heard. he said that after he left in 2011 prince got more lax, i think someone else said something about Prince 'not giving a shit" after a point too.cant think of who it was offhand.

I was simply citing the correct source who said he was paranoid. LR stated she never read that Patti said it. Patti didn't, Chaka did. Also, the quote pretty much references what you said in that Chaka summed up her statement by saying he had become more lax and she was glad to see that. P.S.- the way you replied with my quote, it looks as though the 2 posts are backwards. LR said "I never read Patti said that", and I cited Chaka

2045RadicalMattZ said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

PeteSilas said:

your last statement is the reason i believe people with enough privilege don't know about a lot of things in the real world. they may have money, they may have degrees but most of them don't know shit about the real world. as far as cloudseeding, that sounds like a possibility, but, like i keep saying, personally, i'm not ready to believe without proof.

Well. My proof (*i should be documenting this instead of just watching it) is that last year nearly every incidence preceded convenient weekend rainfall. Ot wasn't much, so it's not perfected but they catch wind of certain positive useful phenomena and try to exploit it. I'd do the same. ..problem is, there's no disclosure and the average joe and Jane don't give two fucks about it. Myself. I'd have to start a campaign for disclosure and would probably fear a backlash. Also, I'm no longer a student. ..so i honestly don't have the time to present this to a civic hall meeting. APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS: PREDICTIVE TEXT on mobile commuting back from work [Edited 1/2/18 18:53pm] [Edited 1/2/18 18:54pm]

simply put, i don't doubt the possibility of those things, you're talking to a guy who believes that his people could do a dance and cause rain so there must be another way to do the same thing. but, even with my own peoples raindances or what you are talking about, i'd have to say i still need proof. I've never seen real magic with my own eyes so i'm not 100 percent and of course i don't watch the jets above my head too often.

[Edited 1/3/18 9:29am]

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

ufoclub said: Maybe the Tuskegee syphillis case was enough for Prince. If you Haven’t been part of a conspiracy it is easier to believe non exist. If you have then you get every right in the book to be as paranoid as you like.

black and Indian paranoia is largely cultural, some of the stuff that's happened is ridiculous and stories get passed down. I still remember the stories of how white men went to the local mountains which used to be covered with caribou and machine gunned them down, or how some relatives were taken outright from their parents and adopted out, sans paperwork or legal work. You hear enough of those and you just ten to think white people are out to get you

I think this is a very good point, once you hear about Henrietta Lacks and related stories it's not too much of a leap to jump to chemtrails.

cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I dont trust the CIA either due to their clandestine nature but I do believe that some things are just what they seem. Shelby J once said that she would occassionally tell Prince "1+1 does sometimes just equal 2".. I think I know what she seems..not everything is a hoax. SOmetimes things are what they seem. Her statement says a lot.

Look at some of Prince's favorite movies "The Adjustment Bureau and Matrix" both about conspiracies, things not being what they seem but being controlled by others in a vast network of control. The Matrix is actually mentioned as a popular film amongst those who follow a lot of conspiracy theories. Conspiracies theories are a money making industry not just a term phrased by teh CIA...Conspiracy theorists sometimes remind me of the notices that pop up on your computer alerting you that you have a virus (even though you have Norton). You click on them or call the number provided and they either give you a virus or dupe you out of money for a virus you never had. This is a well known scam.

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Very true! We are living in the age of misinformation.

Oh my. What the hell are you blabbering about. We've never been so informed.

You said "there is too much going on". That's precisely the result of massive, non-stop information.
You seem to find solace in thinking your government is after you. Well, if it helps...

Except the clown you have for POTUS is actually under investigation,
except we found out about Russia and FB,
except we know about Panama and Paradise Papers...
These are very important things.
Journalists get killed for it, as environmental activists, this is no secret at all.

The world seems like a mess precisely because we know so much nowadays. A secret is never kept for long.
Someone always ends up talking. And there are plenty of platforms to talk on.

As for chemtrails, I feel sorry for you. But I know, now we know about everything that makes the world chaotic,
it feels more comfortable to have an invisible enemy to put the blame to.
Oh wait, I just described paranoia.

[Edited 1/3/18 6:00am]

lol

Things like not wanting to ever work directly with Clare Fischer or record in the studio with Miles Davis, because of possible bad luck or such

Such missed opportunities

Give me a Prince in the Studio with Clare & orchestra or Miles over Larry G anyday

PeteSilas said:

he probably was, quincy jones said he gave some feathers and a tootsie roll to MJ who thought it was voodoo and it almost makes me wonder if the stories in the enquierer where he almost fired a limo driver because he wasn't getting his psychic messages, saying, "next time, pay attention!" and was trying to drive Bubbles crazy might have been true. both mj and he believed in the mystic, even up to death, mj was telling people that if he didn't use the ideas he got, god would "give them to Prince".

OldFriends4Sale said:

But Prince was superstitious already...
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I don't think the media was against him.
I think there is something in life when a person fights to 'control' certain things, it insights a desire by others to want more from that person, causing the person to tighten the control reigns even more.

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But Prince was superstitious already...

And instead of looking up in fear, all you aeronautics PhDs, you'd better look to the ground.

You'd be better off being more concerned about what you're eating and the glyphosate we're all pissing.
That's where the poison is. And this is no secret as well.

If something is not broke why fix it. As far as Miles he was probaly intimated.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol

Things like not wanting to ever work directly with Clare Fischer or record in the studio with Miles Davis, because of possible bad luck or such

Such missed opportunities

Give me a Prince in the Studio with Clare & orchestra or Miles over Larry G anyday

PeteSilas said:

he probably was, quincy jones said he gave some feathers and a tootsie roll to MJ who thought it was voodoo and it almost makes me wonder if the stories in the enquierer where he almost fired a limo driver because he wasn't getting his psychic messages, saying, "next time, pay attention!" and was trying to drive Bubbles crazy might have been true. both mj and he believed in the mystic, even up to death, mj was telling people that if he didn't use the ideas he got, god would "give them to Prince".

Re: Can we talk about...

Can we discuss one's ignorance instead?

One needs to be sceptic about anything a government tells you. They work for you so have them back things up by, if possible independent, information.

See JFK.

See 9/11.

See ISIS.

See Iraq.

See Chadaffi's Libya

See Cuba and now the expanded EU

Etc, etc, etc.

jaawwnn said:

PeteSilas said:

black and Indian paranoia is largely cultural, some of the stuff that's happened is ridiculous and stories get passed down. I still remember the stories of how white men went to the local mountains which used to be covered with caribou and machine gunned them down, or how some relatives were taken outright from their parents and adopted out, sans paperwork or legal work. You hear enough of those and you just ten to think white people are out to get you

I think this is a very good point, once you hear about Henrietta Lacks and related stories it's not too much of a leap to jump to chemtrails.

thank you jaawwnn for being open enough to post that.

You're welcome. I still don't believe in chemtrails though!

udo said:

Re: Can we talk about...

Can we discuss one's ignorance instead?

One needs to be sceptic about anything a government tells you. They work for you so have them back things up by, if possible independent, information.

See JFK.

See 9/11.

See ISIS.

See Iraq.

See Chadaffi's Libya

See Cuba and now the expanded EU

Etc, etc, etc.

Of course the worse we could do is being gullible.

But you're thinking last century, when the media and the news were very different.
The fact that you mention the things above is proof you know about them.
So there's no big secrecy left, except in countries where basic freedoms are denied.

Of course these facts are secret when they happen, because of their nature.
But nowadays they don't stay secret for very long.
Snowden, anyone? Whether moved by injustice or revenge, in the end, everyone talks.

Gone are the days where you could keep something under the carpet for half a century.

As for chemtrails, it would mean the whole military, petrochemical industry, the aeronautics industry, and the congress
are made of people hypnotized by alien lizards.
I have news for you: most of the people working in these fields have children too. And it's quite a bunch.
There's a reason why pesticides are sprayed hedgehopping: wind dispersion.

So we have tens of thousands of people on the plot to poison their own children, every day, and none of them speaks.
These lizards, they're pretty efficient if you ask me.

Now if I wanted to make people sick, trust me,
water or food poisoning would be much more effective and less hazardous.
But apparently lizards are jealous of birds.

PeteSilas said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

PeteSilas said: Well. My proof (*i should be documenting this instead of just watching it) is that last year nearly every incidence preceded convenient weekend rainfall. Ot wasn't much, so it's not perfected but they catch wind of certain positive useful phenomena and try to exploit it. I'd do the same. ..problem is, there's no disclosure and the average joe and Jane don't give two fucks about it. Myself. I'd have to start a campaign for disclosure and would probably fear a backlash. Also, I'm no longer a student. ..so i honestly don't have the time to present this to a civic hall meeting. APOLOGIES FOR TYPOS: PREDICTIVE TEXT on mobile commuting back from work [Edited 1/2/18 18:53pm] [Edited 1/2/18 18:54pm]

simply put, i don't doubt the possibility of those things, you're talking to a guy who believes that his people could do a dance and cause rain so there must be another way to do the same thing. but, even with my own peoples raindances or what you are talking about, i'd have to say i still need proof. I've never seen real magic with my own ideas so i'm not 100 percent and of course i don't watch the jets above my head too often.

In other countries they've tried to emulate the pyroclastic clouds and debris that occur from volcanic explosions, with the knowledge that they restrict UV light and reflect much of the general sunlight (lowering temperatures)... doesn't mean it's healthy for humans or animal/plant life.

Either way, here's a direct link to LA public works. APparently this project IS virtually transparent. I hadn't seen results before, although the posts show from 2016. Welll... Eff me.

Being a wage slave is kinda tough... especially with a crazy family that vegetates on tv.

Anyways... apparently in Los ANgeles its by the year contracted work funded by the Department of Public Works

http://www.ladpw.org/wrd/.../index.cfm


As for rain dances, who knows... many things were done in the name of preserving hierarchy. Societies function that way. SOme on a "need to know" basis. I can imagine some of their dances were done with such forehand knowledge of impending rain... OR seasonal predictions. It stands to unite and preserve the group. Same with ceremonies, etc.

BUt I don't diminish the effects of powerful thinking, removed thinking and prayer... My grandmother swore by this that a tornado missed their house in the sticks in the 20's because her mother went out into the field and prayed for hours.

Im not certain of any of it. But like I said, I don't ridicule it. I'm Tarahumara and Yaqui, and part black and Mexican (whatever amalgam that is...it's a nationality not an ethnicity....I get tired of answering that "what's your nationality?" question with "American.").


anyways, back to point... the world is a macrocosm of things we can perceive on a smaller scale... and their cause and effects do relate. So manipulating weather is not bogus talk. It's a very real thing.

"Our" peeps in what's not California used to allow and sometime stoke massive burn offs to create better topsoil in the coming season for crops. That affected the weather drastically as well.

So did the obliteration of the buffalo, the elimination of the passenger pigeon...et al.

What used to be grasslands turned to dustvilles.

[Edited 1/3/18 9:08am]

udo said:

Re: Can we talk about...

Can we discuss one's ignorance instead?

One needs to be sceptic about anything a government tells you. They work for you so have them back things up by, if possible independent, information.

See JFK.

See 9/11.

See ISIS.

See Iraq.

See Chadaffi's Libya

See Cuba and now the expanded EU

Etc, etc, etc.

i'm with you man, i've looked up a ton of shit, recently i was trying to see if jonestown was a cia experiment, it really doesn't look like it. JFK? that happened so long ago that we'll never know because whatever leftover evidence has been handled by a million people and most of the witnesses are dead. I spent hours a few months ago trying to get to the bottom of the JFK assasination and all i did was go round and round (kinda like we have been with Prince's death) there are so many "experts" and so many loons who point out this inconsistency or that inconsistency. I finally just had to give up but if I had to choose, I'd say Oswald acted alone, just a loser who wanted to make a name for himself, that simple.

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

autism, alzheimers, cancer all kinds of shit that obviously must be something environmental because the rates are drastically different all over the world. One huge problem is that us americans are pigs, we eat too goddamned much, that's a huge problem.

purplerabbithole said:

Let me say this one more time...two or three of the things I stated do not (in and of themselves) indicate paranoia personaltiy disorder IMO. I am saying all of the stuff added together might.

cloveringold85 said:

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Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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You can't add all the stuff together because those things were at different times throughout his life in response to his environment and what was going on at that time. Just like everyone else on this planet (hopefully!), people adapt and change according to what they are dealing with at different stages of their life. You're right in that some people never grow out of their childish ways of coping with things....he was not one of those people.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

who knows but some of it could be the shit in our environment. I was researching alzheimers, well, i learned that different countries have a lot more than others, must be something causative. some guy said a prion caused it, whatever that is, it sounded to me like it could be considered a communicative disease when you consider that spouses of patients have a higher chance of getting alzheimers. lots of bad things happen and not because of conspiracy but just because no one gives a fuck.

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That is true. Look at Asia for instance; all sorts of problems there and it's so over-populated.

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I think people in general do not care about the world or what the future holds.

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If you really think about all the problems in the world, it's enough to make you paranoid. I think the media is nothing more than fear mongers. You see the news headlines and it's just depressing.

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Like Prince said: As humans, were are not equipped to deal with all the problems of the world and what we see on CNN. It's just too much information overload.

Absolutely. Your body is designed for a "moment" of stress, which triggers your flight, fight, flee or freeze response. However, when that happens, your prefrontal cortex shuts down and all the blood pumps into your extremities. You do ALL your thinking/decision making in the prefrontal cortex. So, why do you think the media is constantly overloading your system?

my exp. only, but as a fighter/martial artist, the loss of your ability to think is true but.., you can train to think in that state in fact, i've never been more clear in some of my fights, even ones i've lost, after you go through the panic, their comes clarity but it's something that takes experience so that you can eventually skip over the panic stage. I've never been more focussed than i was in fights/sparring.

Misslink88 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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That is true. Look at Asia for instance; all sorts of problems there and it's so over-populated.

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I think people in general do not care about the world or what the future holds.

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If you really think about all the problems in the world, it's enough to make you paranoid. I think the media is nothing more than fear mongers. You see the news headlines and it's just depressing.

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Like Prince said: As humans, were are not equipped to deal with all the problems of the world and what we see on CNN. It's just too much information overload.

Absolutely. Your body is designed for a "moment" of stress, which triggers your flight, fight, flee or freeze response. However, when that happens, your prefrontal cortex shuts down and all the blood pumps into your extremities. You do ALL your thinking/decision making in the prefrontal cortex. So, why do you think the media is constantly overloading your system?

jaawwnn said:

You're welcome. I still don't believe in chemtrails though!

ha agreed, but on the fence about a few other things.

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

point heard!!!

PeteSilas said:

illimack said:

But our fucking water (flouride) and food ( Monsanto) is poisoned. Have you checked the latest autism rates? 1 in fucking 36!!!! Prince was not paranoid. He was,what we in the black community refer to as "woke".

autism, alzheimers, cancer all kinds of shit that obviously must be something environmental because the rates are drastically different all over the world. One huge problem is that us americans are pigs, we eat too goddamned much, that's a huge problem.