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Reply #60 posted 01/01/18 6:15pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

Strive said:
It crossed the line for me in that deleted Ebony(?) interview where he talked about a former employee's life mission was to steal from the vault and release all his music. Conspiracy and thinking a different way isn't that strange. Having a jumbled train of thought and rambling about how people are after you is a whole nother thang.
Newsflash people who worked for him stole music. Alan Leeds even said they contacted the FBI. Rumors that Duane stole stuff. Dave Hampton said in the Mike Dean podcast that when he came to work for Prince someone had purposely damaged recording equipment His ex-manager came out of the shadows the day after he died to steal. One of his lawyers stole a church he owned. He was not being paranoid he was being real.

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True. Prince was fearful of some people, and with good reason. nod

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #61 posted 01/01/18 6:17pm

Lovejunky

Misslink88 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Conspiracies exist...the ones you listed have mostly been proven and there is no reasonable evidence contradicting them.

Why do people never take PRince on his word? yes, he said shit to stir things up. But when he states conspiracies and others called him paranoid and stated that he loved conspiracy theories, you best believe that he believed in conspiracy theories.

Right! It's only a conspiracy until it's an actual fact but the trail blazers who are trying to show the obvious are called "paranoid".

co sign

If you dont believe in chemtrails becasue you cant get your head around it

FINE

but just becasue you DONT believe doest mean something isnt true

as far as Chemtrails are concerned give it another year or two and it will blow up..

watch this video and do a little googling you might change your minds

Conspiracy Theory ???

maybe wait a little while

Prince wasnt so much paranoid as Much More Aware than the average Human being

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Reply #62 posted 01/01/18 6:20pm

Misslink88

purplerabbithole said:

David Icke who prince read did believe that aliens ran the country (of England) or something to that effect. So here's the deal. I will rephrase--- Prince's particular conspiratorial beliefs were (at one point) the most fearful of the bunch-- full of speculation and fill-in-the-blank inventiveness from the writer. . The unsolvable ones. If you believe that everyone in the government is out to get you for example, how are you going to demand change or answers. None of the explanations will ever satisfy you or be believed.

jfk theories are fine...harmless. Theories about WMD in the early days of the Iraq war were worth looking into and investigated and they were investigated by people who eventually were able to believe witness testamony by cross-checking their sources. If a conspiracy theoriest has no inside information other than cherry picked facts that anyone could find and speculations of the most fearful nature, they are encouraging their followers to believe no one (other than themselves) and therefore don't bother asking questions from those in the know because no one (within the world they are trying to speculate about) will give them an honest answer due to the fact taht being an insider by definition makes you dishonest and a liar.

IF Prince had issues trusting the government, he should have hooked up with a great many Van jones types until he felt that he had talked to enough insiders to have some understanding of what's going on. I am glad he seemed willing to do so eventually... he helped Black Lives Matter--that's how you fix wrongs. You don't tell everyone to just give up..like in songs like Dear Mr. man.

Misslink88 said:

And that's where discernment and critical thinking come into play. That's also why, for the average Joe, conspiracy theorists are meant to be lumped together under that umbrella. Call someone a concpiracy theoriest, if they question GMOs, and you end up with statements like yours....aliens.

[Edited 1/1/18 16:40pm]

[Edited 1/1/18 16:43pm]

[Edited 1/1/18 16:46pm]

From your responses, it's obvious that your "informed opinion" is gleaned from stories about David Icke in the media. Had you ever scratched the surface or done any of your own research (as P encouraged people to do over and over again), you'd know he speaks about sooooo much more than exopolitics. A lot of the opinions and beliefs here about what "conspiracy theories" P may have ascribed to are based on a miniscule tidbit - a book title here, his brief discussion about chemtrails on Travis' show, a second-hand recounting from someone, other people's "opinion" about what JW's believe, etc. IIRC, he had a "Knowledge Room" at PP, probably filled with all sorts of teachings. These topics can't be discussed properly in a 5 second sound bite. Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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Reply #63 posted 01/01/18 6:38pm

Seahorsie

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Mumio said:

Polo1026 said:

Honestly, a single line in a song about chemtrails is a silly thing to use as an indicator of paranoia. He had an entire song about Ghosts, there's no scientific evidence they exist, right? Can 'Others here with Us' be used as a thesis for paranoia? Some lines are designed simply to make you think and force you to ask questions, not to be representations of his beliefs. He wanted people to have conversations about the possiblity and in the context of Dreamer, it highlights that the people are more unaware today than ever before, wake up! We don't know how deep his paranoia went in terms of his relationships and trust with people, we only know of examples given in books. However, considering how the man grew up as a child, being rich and successful in his early 20's, then super rich and a global superstar by 25 (Think about what was happening to him at 15, 16), I don't know how Prince couldn't be paranoid. I think Prince's reaction to his fears was to immerse himself in music and work. Playing always was his safest place, he didn't need a neverland ranch, he had his guitar and his piano to help him relieve and express whatever emotions he was feeling. The psychoanalyzing of Prince post mortem has become a gnashing to my brain. How do people assume to know what his mental state was as a man when you didn't know him personally? Regardless of Prince's paranoia or his religious beliefs, he did what he wanted to do with HIS life. The music is ours forever but the LIFE lived belonged to Prince and Prince alone. If I told you I am Christian, very Christian, would you assume that I am Conservative, Republican, a homophobe, a capitalist, a white male? If you assume those things, you'd be laughably wrong on all accounts. Even basing your opinion on the things we know, there's no way to know about Prince, don't line up a lyric in a song and his religious beliefs or his fears and connect some reality to it, because Prince lived one of the most prolific and amazing artistic lives in the history of the world. Anything that he lacked emotionally and physically, he placed in his art for YOU to enjoy and question not just about him but about yourself. Prince never portrayed himself as blameless or perfect, it's your fandom that put that expectation on him. It's something in you that see's Prince's 'talent' and says that a person THAT talented should be as perfect as possible. The true genius of Prince, is that he ultimately controlled and defined his identity and if that ultimately cost him his life so be it, who knows what I am doing that is costing me mine and I'm definitely not creating anything near as amazing as Prince did with his life.



I like what you said here a lot Polo1026, makes a great deal of sense and it's quite a realistic viewpoint. Thanks smile


Polo's got a good thought process going on here. If you suddenly became wildly famous, you might have a right to a litte paranoia yourself. I personally think his emotional problems stemmed from his lack of warmth from his own family (parents especially), and the fact that he was never able to create the family of his own that it seems he did want. *Music is beautiful, but it won't keep you warm at night.

Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
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Reply #64 posted 01/01/18 7:31pm

laurarichardso
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Seahorsie said:



Mumio said:




Polo1026 said:


Honestly, a single line in a song about chemtrails is a silly thing to use as an indicator of paranoia. He had an entire song about Ghosts, there's no scientific evidence they exist, right? Can 'Others here with Us' be used as a thesis for paranoia? Some lines are designed simply to make you think and force you to ask questions, not to be representations of his beliefs. He wanted people to have conversations about the possiblity and in the context of Dreamer, it highlights that the people are more unaware today than ever before, wake up! We don't know how deep his paranoia went in terms of his relationships and trust with people, we only know of examples given in books. However, considering how the man grew up as a child, being rich and successful in his early 20's, then super rich and a global superstar by 25 (Think about what was happening to him at 15, 16), I don't know how Prince couldn't be paranoid. I think Prince's reaction to his fears was to immerse himself in music and work. Playing always was his safest place, he didn't need a neverland ranch, he had his guitar and his piano to help him relieve and express whatever emotions he was feeling. The psychoanalyzing of Prince post mortem has become a gnashing to my brain. How do people assume to know what his mental state was as a man when you didn't know him personally? Regardless of Prince's paranoia or his religious beliefs, he did what he wanted to do with HIS life. The music is ours forever but the LIFE lived belonged to Prince and Prince alone. If I told you I am Christian, very Christian, would you assume that I am Conservative, Republican, a homophobe, a capitalist, a white male? If you assume those things, you'd be laughably wrong on all accounts. Even basing your opinion on the things we know, there's no way to know about Prince, don't line up a lyric in a song and his religious beliefs or his fears and connect some reality to it, because Prince lived one of the most prolific and amazing artistic lives in the history of the world. Anything that he lacked emotionally and physically, he placed in his art for YOU to enjoy and question not just about him but about yourself. Prince never portrayed himself as blameless or perfect, it's your fandom that put that expectation on him. It's something in you that see's Prince's 'talent' and says that a person THAT talented should be as perfect as possible. The true genius of Prince, is that he ultimately controlled and defined his identity and if that ultimately cost him his life so be it, who knows what I am doing that is costing me mine and I'm definitely not creating anything near as amazing as Prince did with his life.





I like what you said here a lot Polo1026, makes a great deal of sense and it's quite a realistic viewpoint. Thanks smile




Polo's got a good thought process going on here. If you suddenly became wildly famous, you might have a right to a litte paranoia yourself. I personally think his emotional problems stemmed from his lack of warmth from his own family (parents especially), and the fact that he was never able to create the family of his own that it seems he did want. *Music is beautiful, but it won't keep you warm at night.


—-Nothing to do with people actually stealing things and fucking him over.
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Reply #65 posted 01/01/18 7:34pm

purplefam99

PeteSilas said:



Angelsoncrack said:


Prince's paranoia is certainly a hard one to pin down. The only logical explination I have is that due to his situation or personality he just had an easily manipulated mind. But in other ways he didnt? Like I say it's quite odd.


But he did seem overly pre-occupied with conspiracy theories in the latter half of his life, for what reason we will never know. I wouldn't really say the stuff with 1999 and the world ending was a very uncommon or strange thing of its time. The threat of nuclear war and the millenium was on a lot of people's minds by that point.



that's something that not a lot of people mention, that for such a maverick and a strong rebellious man, he sure was swayed easily by certain people who'd come around. that's not unusual in itself but for what we know about prince, it's strange.



Achilles?
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Reply #66 posted 01/01/18 8:01pm

purplefam99

PeteSilas said:

the david icke book, really surprised me, Icke may or may not be loon but his ideas are and the fact that Prince even owned one of his stupid books was dissapointing. Lizard people etc.., was enought to not even want to hear anything else Icke wrote.



purplerabbithole said:


David Icke who prince read did believe that aliens ran the country (of England) or something to that effect. So here's the deal. I will rephrase--- Prince's particular conspiratorial beliefs were (at one point) the most fearful of the bunch-- full of speculation and fill-in-the-blank inventiveness from the writer. . The unsolvable ones. If you believe that everyone in the government is out to get you for example, how are you going to demand change or answers. None of the explanations will ever satisfy you or be believed.


jfk theories are fine...harmless. Theories about WMD in the early days of the Iraq war were worth looking into and investigated and they were investigated by people who eventually were able to believe witness testamony by cross-checking their sources. If a conspiracy theoriest has no inside information other than cherry picked facts that anyone could find and speculations of the most fearful nature, they are encouraging their followers to believe no one (other than themselves) and therefore don't bother asking questions from those in the know because no one (within the world they are trying to speculate about) will give them an honest answer due to the fact taht being an insider by definition makes you dishonest and a liar.



IF Prince had issues trusting the government, he should have hooked up with a great many Van jones types until he felt that he had talked to enough insiders to have some understanding of what's going on. I am glad he seemed willing to do so. he helped Black Lives Matter--that's how you fix wrongs. You don't tell everyone to just give up..like in songs like Dear Mr. man.









Misslink88 said:



And that's where discernment and critical thinking come into play. That's also why, for the average Joe, conspiracy theorists are meant to be lumped together under that umbrella. Call someone a concpiracy theoriest, if they question GMOs, and you end up with statements like yours....aliens.




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[Edited 1/1/18 16:43pm]






Have you read “going clear”. The L Ron Hubbard/Scientology
Story. Myyyyy gooooodness talk about crazy and look at the following. I cut
P so much slack for not following Will Smith up in that mess. Please JW
Is a welcome compared to Scientology. Imo
[Edited 1/1/18 20:03pm]
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Reply #67 posted 01/02/18 9:56am

SanDiegoFunkDa
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An ex-employee did make cassette copies of a lot of music in his vault and made a lot of money. He was the source of all the bootleg material. that guy is now dead. you reap what you sow

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Reply #68 posted 01/02/18 10:01am

PeteSilas

SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

An ex-employee did make cassette copies of a lot of music in his vault and made a lot of money. He was the source of all the bootleg material. that guy is now dead. you reap what you sow

was it duane?

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Reply #69 posted 01/02/18 10:02am

PeteSilas

laytonian said:

. Prince had religious faith, which requires you to believe things without proof. . He listened to older people who presented theories that he liked and believed solved some mysteries. Dick Gregory put out the chemtrails crap and other hoaxes. P respected him without question as he also did Larry Graham. Betty Eides' fantasies gave us Dolphin. . The Tavis Smiley interview with the chemtrails was embarrassing -- and since he dropped the subject shortly thereafter, maybe someone pointed out what came out of his private jet's engines on the way home. Patti LaBelle also called him paranoid bit said he got more human. He was fine. We all go. Not all so lucky to go with beauty and international stardom intact

when did patti say he was paranoid?

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Reply #70 posted 01/02/18 10:09am

PeteSilas

you're right, especially when you have so many financial temptations around you as well as the status of someone who would know Prince. But, a couple things i've heard made him sound nuttier than a fruitcake, the barcodes thing sounded crazy, so crazy I thought "maybe he was just joking". Many of the stories are easy to dismiss, disgruntled employees and coked out bodyguards don't make the best witnesses. Like I said, I do think he was schizoid, just like Bruce, Elvis, James or MJ, just a character trait of great artists.

Misslink88 said:

purplerabbithole said:

David Icke who prince read did believe that aliens ran the country (of England) or something to that effect. So here's the deal. I will rephrase--- Prince's particular conspiratorial beliefs were (at one point) the most fearful of the bunch-- full of speculation and fill-in-the-blank inventiveness from the writer. . The unsolvable ones. If you believe that everyone in the government is out to get you for example, how are you going to demand change or answers. None of the explanations will ever satisfy you or be believed.

jfk theories are fine...harmless. Theories about WMD in the early days of the Iraq war were worth looking into and investigated and they were investigated by people who eventually were able to believe witness testamony by cross-checking their sources. If a conspiracy theoriest has no inside information other than cherry picked facts that anyone could find and speculations of the most fearful nature, they are encouraging their followers to believe no one (other than themselves) and therefore don't bother asking questions from those in the know because no one (within the world they are trying to speculate about) will give them an honest answer due to the fact taht being an insider by definition makes you dishonest and a liar.

IF Prince had issues trusting the government, he should have hooked up with a great many Van jones types until he felt that he had talked to enough insiders to have some understanding of what's going on. I am glad he seemed willing to do so eventually... he helped Black Lives Matter--that's how you fix wrongs. You don't tell everyone to just give up..like in songs like Dear Mr. man.

[Edited 1/1/18 16:40pm]

[Edited 1/1/18 16:43pm]

[Edited 1/1/18 16:46pm]

From your responses, it's obvious that your "informed opinion" is gleaned from stories about David Icke in the media. Had you ever scratched the surface or done any of your own research (as P encouraged people to do over and over again), you'd know he speaks about sooooo much more than exopolitics. A lot of the opinions and beliefs here about what "conspiracy theories" P may have ascribed to are based on a miniscule tidbit - a book title here, his brief discussion about chemtrails on Travis' show, a second-hand recounting from someone, other people's "opinion" about what JW's believe, etc. IIRC, he had a "Knowledge Room" at PP, probably filled with all sorts of teachings. These topics can't be discussed properly in a 5 second sound bite. Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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Reply #71 posted 01/02/18 10:10am

PeteSilas

Seahorsie said:

Mumio said:



I like what you said here a lot Polo1026, makes a great deal of sense and it's quite a realistic viewpoint. Thanks smile


Polo's got a good thought process going on here. If you suddenly became wildly famous, you might have a right to a litte paranoia yourself. I personally think his emotional problems stemmed from his lack of warmth from his own family (parents especially), and the fact that he was never able to create the family of his own that it seems he did want. *Music is beautiful, but it won't keep you warm at night.

ya, his abandonment issues, lots of people never get over those, trust issues, hardly uncommon in and of itself.

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Reply #72 posted 01/02/18 10:13am

PeteSilas

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

the david icke book, really surprised me, Icke may or may not be loon but his ideas are and the fact that Prince even owned one of his stupid books was dissapointing. Lizard people etc.., was enought to not even want to hear anything else Icke wrote.

Have you read “going clear”. The L Ron Hubbard/Scientology Story. Myyyyyy gooooodness talk about crazy and look at the following. I cut P so much slack for not following Will Smith up in that mess. Please JW Is a welcome compared to Scientology. Imo [Edited 1/1/18 20:03pm]

ya, that's a crazy religion, i saw the docu. Most of our religions are just methods to control people and take their money. JW's are harmless compared some of them, I never minded him going JW, it's none of my business really, he didn't offend me with the things he may have said or any of the songs he wrote but i know many of his fans were different.

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Reply #73 posted 01/02/18 10:16am

PeteSilas

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

that's something that not a lot of people mention, that for such a maverick and a strong rebellious man, he sure was swayed easily by certain people who'd come around. that's not unusual in itself but for what we know about prince, it's strange.

Achilles?

i don't know, it doesn't make sense, the rumours that Ingrid (or Cat) gave him ecstasy just sounds like some of the weak minded men I've known who just take whatever a woman tells him to take. Also, i recall in the oprah interview where he says some counselor told him he had a split personality, prince went on lots of kicks like that but why he wasn't suspicious enough to look at that fucking quack and realize that if he can stick him with a label like that it's a big financial oppurtunity for him, dude could have ended up writing books and shit, glad he got over that one. Herschel Walker wrote a book on his split personality and I think he's full of shit too.

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Reply #74 posted 01/02/18 10:21am

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PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said: Have you read “going clear”. The L Ron Hubbard/Scientology Story. Myyyyyy gooooodness talk about crazy and look at the following. I cut P so much slack for not following Will Smith up in that mess. Please JW Is a welcome compared to Scientology. Imo [Edited 1/1/18 20:03pm]

ya, that's a crazy religion, i saw the docu. Most of our religions are just methods to control people and take their money. JW's are harmless compared some of them, I never minded him going JW, it's none of my business really, he didn't offend me with the things he may have said or any of the songs he wrote but i know many of his fans were different.

Leah Remini has a show on cable about uncovering the abuse of Scientology.

It is frightening.

However, Leah recently stated they are also going to look into the JWs for future segments because of the numerous emails, letters, etc received about abuses in the JW religion.

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Reply #75 posted 01/02/18 10:27am

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Misslink88 said:

So, basically, anyone who is a critical thinker is paranoid? Anyone who doesn't swallow the status quo, does any of their own research and doesn't listen to mainstream media is paranoid? Or are you speaking of the majority of the people around him who were there for their own agendas and did sell him out first chance they got? Maybe you're speaking of fans or exes who believe he was "communicating" with them through his songs long after they were around? It's not paranoia if it's true.


Anyone who believes in chemtrails (and other conspiracy theories) is definitely not a critical thinker.

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Reply #76 posted 01/02/18 10:37am

PeteSilas

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, that's a crazy religion, i saw the docu. Most of our religions are just methods to control people and take their money. JW's are harmless compared some of them, I never minded him going JW, it's none of my business really, he didn't offend me with the things he may have said or any of the songs he wrote but i know many of his fans were different.

Leah Remini has a show on cable about uncovering the abuse of Scientology.

It is frightening.

However, Leah recently stated they are also going to look into the JWs for future segments because of the numerous emails, letters, etc received about abuses in the JW religion.

i have watched the leah interviews and they sound about par for the course. Full disclosure here, I wasn't a part of a cult but i did have a martial arts mentor who i was ready to die for, so I have sympathy for people who've fallen for some asshole and I have a morbid interest in cults, i love watching jim jones documentaries, heavens gate, going clear, it's right in my fucking wheelhouse. It helps me understand what happened to me, not let it happen again and truth is, my mentor wasn't even close to being a jim jones but what i learned is that the control people try to use on you, the manipulativeness is pretty much the same even if it's just your family or a spouse. Our society is pretty sick.

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Reply #77 posted 01/02/18 10:42am

jaawwnn

Genesia said:

Misslink88 said:

So, basically, anyone who is a critical thinker is paranoid? Anyone who doesn't swallow the status quo, does any of their own research and doesn't listen to mainstream media is paranoid? Or are you speaking of the majority of the people around him who were there for their own agendas and did sell him out first chance they got? Maybe you're speaking of fans or exes who believe he was "communicating" with them through his songs long after they were around? It's not paranoia if it's true.


Anyone who believes in chemtrails (and other conspiracy theories) is definitely not a critical thinker.

But if you just watch this 9 hour youtube documentary about... wait... come back

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Reply #78 posted 01/02/18 10:54am

laurarichardso
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PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

. Prince had religious faith, which requires you to believe things without proof. . He listened to older people who presented theories that he liked and believed solved some mysteries. Dick Gregory put out the chemtrails crap and other hoaxes. P respected him without question as he also did Larry Graham. Betty Eides' fantasies gave us Dolphin. . The Tavis Smiley interview with the chemtrails was embarrassing -- and since he dropped the subject shortly thereafter, maybe someone pointed out what came out of his private jet's engines on the way home. Patti LaBelle also called him paranoid bit said he got more human. He was fine. We all go. Not all so lucky to go with beauty and international stardom intact

when did patti say he was paranoid?

I never read that Patti said that.

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Reply #79 posted 01/02/18 10:55am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

when did patti say he was paranoid?

I never read that Patti said that.

well if the bloodhound didn't see it then she didn't say it.

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Reply #80 posted 01/02/18 11:00am

laurarichardso
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PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said: Achilles?

i don't know, it doesn't make sense, the rumours that Ingrid (or Cat) gave him ecstasy just sounds like some of the weak minded men I've known who just take whatever a woman tells him to take. Also, i recall in the oprah interview where he says some counselor told him he had a split personality, prince went on lots of kicks like that but why he wasn't suspicious enough to look at that fucking quack and realize that if he can stick him with a label like that it's a big financial oppurtunity for him, dude could have ended up writing books and shit, glad he got over that one. Herschel Walker wrote a book on his split personality and I think he's full of shit too.

Herschel Walker was actually diagonoised so he was not just making it up. We know that people can develop a different personalities when put under extreme stress. We even now know about the brain damage that football players have.

Any of these things could have ruined Herschel. He wife said it was like living with Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde. Something was wrong with him.

In Prince's case I think bad things happend to him as a child that we may never know about and I would not be surprised if he could have been on the Austism spectrum. The stuff about seziures, the obessiveness about music. Hearing music in your 24/7 is obessive compulsive but let us be honest he was not going to do anything to stop any of this because it allowed him to create at will and live a wonderfull lifestyle.


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Reply #81 posted 01/02/18 11:18am

PeteSilas

i thought he was full of shit.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know, it doesn't make sense, the rumours that Ingrid (or Cat) gave him ecstasy just sounds like some of the weak minded men I've known who just take whatever a woman tells him to take. Also, i recall in the oprah interview where he says some counselor told him he had a split personality, prince went on lots of kicks like that but why he wasn't suspicious enough to look at that fucking quack and realize that if he can stick him with a label like that it's a big financial oppurtunity for him, dude could have ended up writing books and shit, glad he got over that one. Herschel Walker wrote a book on his split personality and I think he's full of shit too.

Herschel Walker was actually diagonoised so he was not just making it up. We know that people can develop a different personalities when put under extreme stress. We even now know about the brain damage that football players have.

Any of these things could have ruined Herschel. He wife said it was like living with Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde. Something was wrong with him.

In Prince's case I think bad things happend to him as a child that we may never know about and I would not be surprised if he could have been on the Austism spectrum. The stuff about seziures, the obessiveness about music. Hearing music in your 24/7 is obessive compulsive but let us be honest he was not going to do anything to stop any of this because it allowed him to create at will and live a wonderfull lifestyle.


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Reply #82 posted 01/02/18 11:24am

laurarichardso
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There is a interview with the doctor who diagnoised him and I believe he is on medication.

PeteSilas said:

i thought he was full of shit.

laurarichardson said:

Herschel Walker was actually diagonoised so he was not just making it up. We know that people can develop a different personalities when put under extreme stress. We even now know about the brain damage that football players have.

Any of these things could have ruined Herschel. He wife said it was like living with Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde. Something was wrong with him.

In Prince's case I think bad things happend to him as a child that we may never know about and I would not be surprised if he could have been on the Austism spectrum. The stuff about seziures, the obessiveness about music. Hearing music in your 24/7 is obessive compulsive but let us be honest he was not going to do anything to stop any of this because it allowed him to create at will and live a wonderfull lifestyle.


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Reply #83 posted 01/02/18 11:58am

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There is a interview with the doctor who diagnoised him and I believe he is on medication.

PeteSilas said:

i thought he was full of shit.

ya and herschel is the same guy who claims to do thousands of situps and pushups a day and only eats soup, he's a bullshitter, or, maybe his split personality is going out for pizza and burgers, don't be naive laura, it ain't like you.

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Reply #84 posted 01/02/18 12:08pm

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jaawwnn said:

Genesia said:


Anyone who believes in chemtrails (and other conspiracy theories) is definitely not a critical thinker.

But if you just watch this 9 hour youtube documentary about... wait... come back


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Reply #85 posted 01/02/18 12:26pm

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Misslink88 said:

purplerabbithole said:

David Icke who prince read did believe that aliens ran the country (of England) or something to that effect. So here's the deal. I will rephrase--- Prince's particular conspiratorial beliefs were (at one point) the most fearful of the bunch-- full of speculation and fill-in-the-blank inventiveness from the writer. . The unsolvable ones. If you believe that everyone in the government is out to get you for example, how are you going to demand change or answers. None of the explanations will ever satisfy you or be believed.

jfk theories are fine...harmless. Theories about WMD in the early days of the Iraq war were worth looking into and investigated and they were investigated by people who eventually were able to believe witness testamony by cross-checking their sources. If a conspiracy theoriest has no inside information other than cherry picked facts that anyone could find and speculations of the most fearful nature, they are encouraging their followers to believe no one (other than themselves) and therefore don't bother asking questions from those in the know because no one (within the world they are trying to speculate about) will give them an honest answer due to the fact taht being an insider by definition makes you dishonest and a liar.

IF Prince had issues trusting the government, he should have hooked up with a great many Van jones types until he felt that he had talked to enough insiders to have some understanding of what's going on. I am glad he seemed willing to do so eventually... he helped Black Lives Matter--that's how you fix wrongs. You don't tell everyone to just give up..like in songs like Dear Mr. man.

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From your responses, it's obvious that your "informed opinion" is gleaned from stories about David Icke in the media. Had you ever scratched the surface or done any of your own research (as P encouraged people to do over and over again), you'd know he speaks about sooooo much more than exopolitics. A lot of the opinions and beliefs here about what "conspiracy theories" P may have ascribed to are based on a miniscule tidbit - a book title here, his brief discussion about chemtrails on Travis' show, a second-hand recounting from someone, other people's "opinion" about what JW's believe, etc. IIRC, he had a "Knowledge Room" at PP, probably filled with all sorts of teachings. These topics can't be discussed properly in a 5 second sound bite. Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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Reply #86 posted 01/02/18 12:30pm

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Let me say this one more time...two or three of the things I stated do not (in and of themselves) indicate paranoia personaltiy disorder IMO. I am saying all of the stuff added together might.

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Misslink88 said:

From your responses, it's obvious that your "informed opinion" is gleaned from stories about David Icke in the media. Had you ever scratched the surface or done any of your own research (as P encouraged people to do over and over again), you'd know he speaks about sooooo much more than exopolitics. A lot of the opinions and beliefs here about what "conspiracy theories" P may have ascribed to are based on a miniscule tidbit - a book title here, his brief discussion about chemtrails on Travis' show, a second-hand recounting from someone, other people's "opinion" about what JW's believe, etc. IIRC, he had a "Knowledge Room" at PP, probably filled with all sorts of teachings. These topics can't be discussed properly in a 5 second sound bite. Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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Shyness and skiddishness aren't indicative of "mental distubances". Discernment about the company you keep is not paranoia. What a person reads or what interests them doesn't encompass their beliefs. We're all searching and that requires turning over ALL the rocks and seeing what pans out.

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yeahthat


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Reply #87 posted 01/02/18 12:32pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, that's a crazy religion, i saw the docu. Most of our religions are just methods to control people and take their money. JW's are harmless compared some of them, I never minded him going JW, it's none of my business really, he didn't offend me with the things he may have said or any of the songs he wrote but i know many of his fans were different.

Leah Remini has a show on cable about uncovering the abuse of Scientology.

It is frightening.

However, Leah recently stated they are also going to look into the JWs for future segments because of the numerous emails, letters, etc received about abuses in the JW religion.

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I wonder about that show Leah is doing about Scientology. Isn't it dangerous for her to be doing that, because you would think they would tell her to shut her mouth about disclosing information about their cult practices.

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Reply #88 posted 01/02/18 12:40pm

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PeteSilas said:

i thought he was full of shit.

laurarichardson said:

Herschel Walker was actually diagonoised so he was not just making it up. We know that people can develop a different personalities when put under extreme stress. We even now know about the brain damage that football players have.

Any of these things could have ruined Herschel. He wife said it was like living with Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde. Something was wrong with him.

In Prince's case I think bad things happend to him as a child that we may never know about and I would not be surprised if he could have been on the Austism spectrum. The stuff about seziures, the obessiveness about music. Hearing music in your 24/7 is obessive compulsive but let us be honest he was not going to do anything to stop any of this because it allowed him to create at will and live a wonderfull lifestyle.


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Well, if you look at Prince's first album, then all of his albums/music thereafter, you can definitely see multiple personalities coming out in him (Alexander Nevermind, Joey Coco, Christopher), etc . I think WB pushed the androgynous/sexually-charged persona of Prince. You can see how Prince distanced himself with that when he left WB. He became less sexual after he left WB and joined the JW....I think it was around that time that Prince became more of his true self.

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Reply #89 posted 01/02/18 12:45pm

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Again, there is no such thing as conspiracy theories/conspiracy theorists. That was a made-up word/term by the CIA. There is however, such a thing as the TRUTH. When there are so many unanswered questions, people seek the truth. Not hard to figure that out.

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