OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

Oh yes there is. We're talking about the history of one of the most significant musical artists of the late 20th century, aren't we?

I ain't "barting" on you. I'm calling BS when I see BS. This is important. This is important because you're "donaldtrumping" us, i.e. turning personal theory and inferences into "alternate facts".

Your inferences have been contradicted by each and every testimony from each and every person involved or associated with those events.

Come-up with a new testimony, come up with a written document by Prince, come up with anything factual that supports your theory beyond your personal feelings and convenient inferences, I'll be the first one to acknowledge that you have made a discovery and that we have solid elements to support a new theory about what happened.

Up until that, stop messing up with the kids' mind with your BS.

Sorry for the tone, I don't mean no disrespect, but I can't possibly condone this "my opinion is worth as much as established facts" approach. You people are destroying civilization, no less, and I weight my words.

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what about the story of when Prince was in someone's office and he saw a copy of the album and did not seem to care?

You are INCREDIBLE

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You're turning a testimony that confirms that every other story told about those events is true into something that supports the opposite You ignore everything that goes against your theory, and twist everything that may support it (if twisted). Just like those folks who say that if the Earthj was round then the horizon wouldn't be flat, and here's your proof! See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/...ation_bias

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"you can disagree but understand I know all this stuff I just call BS on the story..."

That's what you don't understand, it's not "a story", it's HIStory, as in research, as in taking every known account of an event by people who were there and available documentation, and seeing what they say, and whether they contradict or support each other. It's not about you or me or what we believe happened, it's about honestly trying to figure out what happened. There's no big conspiracy that you have to debunk, there's human beings and their lifes and plans and plots and ploys, and you have to try and figure out what happened based on what we know, not try to find how the things we know may be convenient to support what you think happened.

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And just to make it clear, I actually, just like you, would like it if Prince had planned the whole thing. It would be the coolest marketing ploy ever!

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Only, it makes no sense. It just doesn't. You can twist ifacts and lie just as much as you want, when confronted with the numerous testimonies regarding what happened, from Prince himself to those people who attended the so-called "blue tuesday" to Cat who got the xtc to Mo Ostin and so on, it just doesn't make sense. Or you would have to assume Prince was a James Bond type of villain who would manipulate even his closest friends because he would know that years later they would tell biographers a story that would confirm his diabolic marketing plot from a decade earlier...

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Wow wow wow, wait a second, what do I see? https://en.wikipedia.org/...%27s_razor

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You need to understand this is not a debate between your opinion and mine. There is no debate. There are facts and whenever looked at honestly, they all converge towards the same conclusion. You want a new conclusion, get new facts. If not, just cut the crap. You're wasting my time and everyone else's. Just go chasing UFO's on UFO's boards and leave us alone with your confirmation biases

laurarichardson said:

databank said:

Prince did not drink unreasonably or do drugs. As far as I can tell, no one from his inner circles has come-up with any new information contradicting this ever since he's passed, on the contrary. The Blue Tuesday xtc experience is the only known exception, and it's been reported for a good 2 decades. Even when it comes to alcohol, the only known (to me) reference of him being (slightly) drunk is the 1985 Flesh session where he and Sheila killed a bottle of wine.

The painkiller addiction and abuse is another matter entirely: it was no recreative drug use. Same with the alleged 1996 incident.

—-Outside of the “E” trip which he did not keep a secret not one shread of evidence has come out that he was a pill popping, coke snorting, or drunkard rockstar. Yet it is okay to say it anyway but to imply he had anything else going on with his health is blasphemy. [Edited 11/29/17 4:16am]

what about the melody maker interview .....? prince do you take drugs? answer..i like all experiences

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

databank said: —-Outside of the “E” trip which he did not keep a secret not one shread of evidence has come out that he was a pill popping, coke snorting, or drunkard rockstar. Yet it is okay to say it anyway but to imply he had anything else going on with his health is blasphemy. [Edited 11/29/17 4:16am]

what about the melody maker interview .....? prince do you take drugs? answer..i like all experiences

Again, I wouldn't mind Prince doing drugs: I took all kinds of drugs, still do. I got nothing against drugs. Evidence that Prince took drugs save one provokative and ambiguous statement? None. So again, until new eveidence...

databank said:

luvsexy4all said:

what about the melody maker interview .....? prince do you take drugs? answer..i like all experiences

Again, I wouldn't mind Prince doing drugs: I took all kinds of drugs, still do. I got nothing against drugs. Evidence that Prince took drugs save one provokative and ambiguous statement? None. So again, until new eveidence...

how about him asking people to go do some cocaine?? at minnesota 81 awards speech

xtc experience

luvsexy4all said:

databank said:

Again, I wouldn't mind Prince doing drugs: I took all kinds of drugs, still do. I got nothing against drugs. Evidence that Prince took drugs save one provokative and ambiguous statement? None. So again, until new eveidence...

how about him asking people to go do some cocaine?? at minnesota 81 awards speech

May we have the exact quote, in context? I wasn't aware of that one.

In any case that makes TWO provocative public statements among a long series of ambiguous public statements, in that case contradicted by anyone who was around Prince at the time and ever since, as well as everything else said by Prince on the topic.

It's not unthinkable that Prince tried a few things here and there. Similarly, even though it's been established that he wasn't bisexual who can tell he didn't try it once or twice with men? But I fail to see how he could have been using recreational drugs on a regular basis without anyone around him ever knowing or noticing. I can assure you there's a difference between having a few experiences most people will never know you had, and having regular habits.

Those 2 public statements, in the context of all the BS Prince told the media as opposed to everything we know from other souces, do not constitute proof of anthing. Prince was known to lie to journalists for shock value. They must be taken into account, and they may be significant, but they nevertheless are contradicted by every other source. There's an irony in that: the subject may not be the most reliable source about themselves. There's a reason why people aren't supposed to write their own Wikipedia entry.

Again, I'm willing to consider any further evidence, if and when they appear.

paisleypark4 said:

Well if anyone of you have tried X before the lyrics to the song really testify to the experience. Euphoria, when someone touches you...you literally "wanna fuck" as he says in the song.

People take the drug for the euphoric, intoxicating effects. Signs of ecstasy use include heightened sensory perception, and the tactile sense may be exaggerated. A person may want to be touched or want to touch things that feel good. A person going to clubs to dance will have their energy increased so they can dance all night.

Following the track, in the interlude it is said again "Squirrel meat!" and Cat then declares "don't try it!"

Susan Rogers in Per Nilsen's DMSR book:
"It was two in the morning and it(Paisley) was empty. It was dark except for a couple of red candles and I heard a woman's voice say 'Are you looking for Prince?' I found out later the woman was Ingrid Chavez. And I said 'Yes. I'm supposed to meet him here at 2.a.m'. She said 'Well, he's here somewhere'
As I came out of the room, I suddenly came face to face with him and I'm certain he was high. His pupils were rally dilated and he looked unlike I'd ever seen him look before. He looked like he was tripping. He was standing very close to me and he asked, 'I just want to know one thing. Do you still love me?'
And I said that I did and that I knew he loved me. He said. 'Will you stay?' And I said 'No. I won't. Goodnight'. I headed to the door. It was really scary"

Cat Glover very recently in her facebook claimed as well that SHE was the one who went and bought the X that Prince wanted to try. Apparently he had an experience...thus...Lovesexy and so on and so on...but seems he made a cool song and album out of the experience though.

lol this right here. The lyrics obviously point to X. I mean, verse 2 clearly expands on first verse "bucked of squirrel meat";

if you do too much your skin will be sensitive to the touch,

the first person that touches you, you want to fuck

You take them to your crib and you tie them to a chair
Then you make funny faces til they get really scared
Then you turn on the neon, then you play with yourself
Til you turn them on

If that isn't a perfect description of what Extacy can do, I don't know what the fuck is.

The references to X Prince has made (Superfunki..., The Future) points to the fact that he clearly as tried it, and wrote about his experience.

blizzybiz said:

Jeezus christ, you people have too much time on your hands. Who the eff cares? Just enjoy the music, and interpret the lyrics in the way that makes the most sense for you.

lezama said:

Jeezus christ, you people have too much time on your hands. Who the eff cares? Just enjoy the music, and interpret the lyrics in the way that makes the most sense for you.

Someone skipped literature classes back in school

^ I just saw that Genius' liner notes now have Prince ODing on xtc on Blue Tuesday. How much BS can be spreaded online before we take action? Anyone here has a Genius account to correct this BS?

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After rereading the lyrics several bits may indeed hint at xtc, though it doesn't necessarily mean that squirrel meat is a metaphort for xtc. Xtc is hinted at by other lyrics more than this specific bit, particularly since xtc doesn't come in buckets (that'd make a lot of pills!). Metaphors remain open to interpretation, that's the whole point of poetry. Regardless, my point with the time loop above is that we need to start thinking (several people have supported the time loop scenario, which is... wow!).

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Based on available information, including Cat's testimony, Prince gave his first shot at xtc on Blue Tuesday (he wanted to try it, so he hadn't before). So if Superfunkycaligragisexy refers to xtc it doesn't seem to be based on a first hand experience. Just because Prince hadn't tried xtc yet doesn't mean he couldn't write about it: obviously he most likely didn't drink blood or took part in orgies either, and he didn't go back home to shoot his wife because he was cheating on him with a rock star's manager. Most people tend to forget that not every bit of every song has to be autobiographical. It's possible that Prince had read or heard enough about xtc, or witnessed other people under its influence, and that he addressed it in that song long before he experienced it himself.

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But no more Star Trek time loop nonsense please. Thank you.

Then again, I was watching Michael Portillo's rail tour of the USA yesterday and on their news they interviewed these guys who smoked corncob pipes, and were talking about shooting squirrels and how their hands were warm. Then Michael who is Patrician British wanted to know more about shooting squirrels and these guys (Normal looking white Americans - rural but not rednecks, in Missouri) went on about how tasty squirrel in gravy was and how squirrels made a cheap and convenient alternative to store meat in the winter when the money from farming was limited.

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Eye opening as Michael saw it as gross and so do I thinking about it.

cantstop said:

http://www.twincities.com/2013/09/13/squirrel-hunters-worry-animals-are-disappearing-from-minnesota-forests/

Mmm-mmm... Smells funky!
I'll have the Maxi Spicy bucket, please.