databank said:

laurarichardson said:

databank said:

Prince did not drink unreasonably or do drugs. As far as I can tell, no one from his inner circles has come-up with any new information contradicting this ever since he's passed, on the contrary. The Blue Tuesday xtc experience is the only known exception, and it's been reported for a good 2 decades. Even when it comes to alcohol, the only known (to me) reference of him being (slightly) drunk is the 1985 Flesh session where he and Sheila killed a bottle of wine.

The painkiller addiction and abuse is another matter entirely: it was no recreative drug use. Same with the alleged 1996 incident.

—-Outside of the “E” trip which he did not keep a secret not one shread of evidence has come out that he was a pill popping, coke snorting, or drunkard rockstar. Yet it is okay to say it anyway but to imply he had anything else going on with his health is blasphemy. [Edited 11/29/17 4:16am]

Actually it's become yet another "lie-repeated-so-often-it's-become-true" (thanks to pro "Prince-planned-the-whole-TBA-thing-as-a-marketing-ploy" conspirationnists) that Prince didn't keep the xtc thing a secret but it was in fact a well kept secret for 12 years. The whole story, AFAIK, first surfaced in 1999 in Per Nilsen's book DMSR. In the Uptown article devoted to TBA's release in 1994, there is no mention of it yet, only the "official" version of Blue Tuesday, i.e. Prince having a vision of God and aspiritual revelation after chatting with Ingrid. The "ecstasy" word on the Alphabet St. video was, of course, a veiled admission, but given the other possible meaning of the word, there was no way for anyone to understand what it meant.

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Unfortunately, I repeatedly find TBA conspirationnists on the Org claiming that the whole Blue Tuesday event, ecstasy included, is Prince's "official" version of those events. AFAIK, Prince never admitted taking ecstasy, even after Nilsen uncovered the facts (not that any journalist dared ask him anyway ).

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[Edited 11/29/17 6:27am]

cantstop said:

1994s undertaker videos?

The Undertaker video has nothing to do with anything. It's about a young girl and it carries an anti-drugs message.

there are a few songs/videos with non-negative drug references... especially in the mid-90s.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

there are a few songs/videos with non-negative drug references... especially in the mid-90s.

Can you be more specific?

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

there are a few songs/videos with non-negative drug references... especially in the mid-90s.

Can you be more specific?

Rock and Roll's Alive... video shows him smoking something...


the song Now "Light up another one dude"

and later

"Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights"

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

Can you be more specific?

Rock and Roll's Alive... video shows him smoking something...


the song Now "Light up another one dude"

and later

"Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights"

Music and funk is what he is talking about but you keep looking. Have fun.

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

databank said: —-Outside of the “E” trip which he did not keep a secret not one shread of evidence has come out that he was a pill popping, coke snorting, or drunkard rockstar. Yet it is okay to say it anyway but to imply he had anything else going on with his health is blasphemy. [Edited 11/29/17 4:16am]

Actually it's become yet another "lie-repeated-so-often-it's-become-true" (thanks to pro "Prince-planned-the-whole-TBA-thing-as-a-marketing-ploy" conspirationnists) that Prince didn't keep the xtc thing a secret but it was in fact a well kept secret for 12 years. The whole story, AFAIK, first surfaced in 1999 in Per Nilsen's book DMSR. In the Uptown article devoted to TBA's release in 1994, there is no mention of it yet, only the "official" version of Blue Tuesday, i.e. Prince having a vision of God and aspiritual revelation after chatting with Ingrid. The "ecstasy" word on the Alphabet St. video was, of course, a veiled admission, but given the other possible meaning of the word, there was no way for anyone to understand what it meant.

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Unfortunately, I repeatedly find TBA conspirationnists on the Org claiming that the whole Blue Tuesday event, ecstasy included, is Prince's "official" version of those events. AFAIK, Prince never admitted taking ecstasy, even after Nilsen uncovered the facts (not that any journalist dared ask him anyway ).

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[Edited 11/29/17 6:27am]

I do not mean admitted to the public. People who worked for him said he told them about it and according to Susan Rogers she knew that he had taken. Prince did not have to be in the view of her high if he did not want her to know.

laurarichardson said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Rock and Roll's Alive... video shows him smoking something...


the song Now "Light up another one dude"

and later

"Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights"

Music and funk is what he is talking about but you keep looking. Have fun.

I never said it was meant to taken literally but he does take hit off of something in the video. and in an interview (the one where Myte answers) he is asked about drugs and the answer was something like "we are interested in all experiences"

cantstop said:

So my original thoughts stand. Something funky/silly Prince (or someone in the group) made up. Watch SOTT and it’s also the final quote in the credits. Just feel like there’s something more to know there. My kids are getting into music and lyrics and I know they’re gonna ask me what squirrel meat is at some point. At least I won’t be trying to explain x. Haha

It's a nod to a 4thcoming album.
Possibly. The movie was in theaters around the end of 1987,
and Prince had often a line or a reference he dropped here and there,
and it was discovered later it was from an unreleased song.
The Dance Electric was referenced in God Vocal and came out later.

I think it's a very nihilistic-vegan joke.
Like, "would you still eat meat if there was nothing left but squirrels?"
Kind of a Disney movie gone all wrong. The Black Album certainly is goofy.
Rock hard. Walk hard.

It could be a nod to the early Minnesotans, freezing their asses off,
with nothing but squirrels to eat. in some parts of Europe, cats were still being eaten, a hundred years and some ago.

[Edited 11/29/17 15:08pm]

luv2tha99s said:

Perspective said:

And as far as the sensation - yes it is more a deep love than horny....hence the ecstasy - it's about emotion not physical sex.

And the side effect is your dick becomes a peanut - due to blood flow and dehydration.

I'm pretty sure it depends on the situation. I've been horny every time I've taken E and MY squirrel meat has always been rock hard throughout the experience;)

This isn't a dick contest - just about clean gear...

Glad you had a good time.... I'm not shy about true e and coke.

khemseraph said:

It's most definitely a metaphor for extasy. He describes it dead on in the song. And if any of you have ever done it superfunkycalifragisexy is a pretty on point description of how it feels. Lol. That's the truth.

I'll take your word for it. Forget the Minnesota trappers thang.

Chemistry always scared the shit out of me, losing a friend to it at a young age.
Being on a natural high already, Clouds is as much as I can take.

He was a tad into being tied, wasn't he?
I always thought about it: it's S.M. all the way, yet it's hilarious.

What about dates? When was the ecstasy incident again?
Because Princevault says Mid-September 1986 for initial tracking, and January 1987 for overdubs.

If the song was finished before the ecstasy incident and the Black Album canceling, then it's fair to assume it's not about it. Since it was canceled by Prince around december 1987...

[Edited 11/30/17 4:25am]

khemseraph said:

It's most definitely a metaphor for extasy. He describes it dead on in the song. And if any of you have ever done it superfunkycalifragisexy is a pretty on point description of how it feels. Lol. That's the truth.

I've done xtc several times and though I loved it each and every time (actually I hope I ever get to do it again, it's been years!), my experience had nothing to do with those lyrics, so no.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

Can you be more specific?

Rock and Roll's Alive... video shows him smoking something...


the song Now "Light up another one dude"

and later

"Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights"

There was also "Azifekare' as the 'jobless pothead' on Style. On both tracks though you get the impression he's just messing round. Like in the Race video he pretends to light and smoke a big flower

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

Can you be more specific?

Rock and Roll's Alive... video shows him smoking something...

Wow! OK, I didn't remember that, I'd have to watch it again


the song Now "Light up another one dude"

and later

"Fill us with de dope track, lick us, twist us, roll us in your mouth
Light us up and take a hit, light us up and take a hit
Mmm, suck us 'til we're dry
And when we're lookin' like a roach, hit the lights"

I wouldn't call that a positive refence to drugs (or negative for that matter). It doesn't even necessarily refers to pot, it could just be a rolled cigarette. In any case it just says the music industry is treating artists like an instant drug or a cigarette, use'em fast, enjoy'em intensely then throw 'em in the bin and move on to the next immediate source of pleasure instead of harvesting talent.

bonatoc said:

khemseraph said:

It's most definitely a metaphor for extasy. He describes it dead on in the song. And if any of you have ever done it superfunkycalifragisexy is a pretty on point description of how it feels. Lol. That's the truth.

I'll take your word for it. Forget the Minnesota trappers thang.

Chemistry always scared the shit out of me, losing a friend to it at a young age.
Being on a natural high already, Clouds is as much as I can take.

He was a tad into being tied, wasn't he?
I always thought about it: it's S.M. all the way, yet it's hilarious.

What about dates? When was the ecstasy incident again?
Because Princevault says Mid-September 1986 for initial tracking, and January 1987 for overdubs.

If the song was finished before the ecstasy incident and the Black Album canceling, then it's fair to assume it's not about it. Since it was canceled by Prince around december 1987...

[Edited 11/30/17 4:25am]

December 1st 1987: The Black Album had been played on the evening of the incident, and after the incident he instructed Warners to cancel its release.

langebleu said:

bonatoc said:

I'll take your word for it. Forget the Minnesota trappers thang.

Chemistry always scared the shit out of me, losing a friend to it at a young age.
Being on a natural high already, Clouds is as much as I can take.

He was a tad into being tied, wasn't he?
I always thought about it: it's S.M. all the way, yet it's hilarious.

What about dates? When was the ecstasy incident again?
Because Princevault says Mid-September 1986 for initial tracking, and January 1987 for overdubs.

If the song was finished before the ecstasy incident and the Black Album canceling, then it's fair to assume it's not about it. Since it was canceled by Prince around december 1987...

[Edited 11/30/17 4:25am]

December 1st 1987: The Black Album had been played on the evening of the incident, and after the incident he instructed Warners to cancel its release.

So we're calling it "the incident" now?

You know this is how the Marvel/Netflix characters refer to the Battle of NY (in The Avengers), don't you?

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More seriously yeah, we have people stuck in a time loop ("the song is about the events that lead to the song not being released") out of ignorance, or just because it goes in the sense of their conspiracy theories. Nonsense.

personally, I think Prince planned to pull it from the start...and he wanted it to be bootlegged.

cantstop said:

Having dated someone that worked at paisley back in the day, I thought i was pretty cool and knowledgeable. ☺️But after joining and scanning these forums, I realize that assuming makes an ass outta you and me.

Well when Susan Rogers says she booked it and Cat on her Facebook says she bought X from Chicago for him....well...you not really assuming.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

personally, I think Prince planned to pull it from the start...and he wanted it to be bootlegged.

Yeah, brilliant. You can also think the Earth is flat and aliens control the White House. Awesome. Come back with flat facts and evidence and we can have a conversation about it all. Thank you. Have a nice day. Goodbye.

PS: New young fans, don't listen to that BS. Read the books. Document yourself. make your own opinion based on facts.

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

personally, I think Prince planned to pull it from the start...and he wanted it to be bootlegged.

Yeah, brilliant. You can also think the Earth is flat and aliens control the White House. Awesome. Come back with flat facts and evidence and we can have a conversation about it all. Thank you. Have a nice day. Goodbye.

PS: New young fans, don't listen to that BS. Read the books. Document yourself. make your own opinion based on facts.

wow! I have to say wow! you know prince was into so weird marketing things... if he was so opposed to the album why do 2 of the 'worst' songs on in concert... then say "don't buy it"?


I was a black album that was sold on the black market.

But anyway that is what I believe. there is no need to be all bart on me.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

databank said:

Yeah, brilliant. You can also think the Earth is flat and aliens control the White House. Awesome. Come back with flat facts and evidence and we can have a conversation about it all. Thank you. Have a nice day. Goodbye.

PS: New young fans, don't listen to that BS. Read the books. Document yourself. make your own opinion based on facts.

wow! I have to say wow! you know prince was into so weird marketing things... if he was so opposed to the album why do 2 of the 'worst' songs on in concert... then say "don't buy it"?


I was a black album that was sold on the black market.

But anyway that is what I believe. there is no need to be all bart on me.

Oh yes there is. We're talking about the history of one of the most significant musical artists of the late 20th century, aren't we?

I ain't "barting" on you. I'm calling BS when I see BS. This is important. This is important because you're "donaldtrumping" us, i.e. turning personal theory and inferences into "alternate facts".

Your inferences have been contradicted by each and every testimony from each and every person involved or associated with those events.

Come-up with a new testimony, come up with a written document by Prince, come up with anything factual that supports your theory beyond your personal feelings and convenient inferences, I'll be the first one to acknowledge that you have made a discovery and that we have solid elements to support a new theory about what happened.

Up until that, stop messing up with the kids' mind with your BS.

Sorry for the tone, I don't mean no disrespect, but I can't possibly condone this "my opinion is worth as much as established facts" approach. You people are destroying civilization, no less, and I weight my words.

[Edited 12/1/17 12:58pm]

^ And just to debunk you sole and only argument:

"if he was so opposed to the album why do 2 of the 'worst' songs on in concert... then say "don't buy it"?"

Well, how about because the whole Lovesy Tour concept was about evil vs. good; The Black Album and Dirty Mind vs. Lovesexy; you know, as in "part 1" then Anna Stesia then "part 2".

Oh, wow! Did I just explain the Lovesexy Tour concept for the first time ever?

Well, no, it was stated in the tour program... "There was a boy named Camille"...

Conspirationist BS...

Seriously

databank said:

^ And just to debunk you sole and only argument:

"if he was so opposed to the album why do 2 of the 'worst' songs on in concert... then say "don't buy it"?"

Well, how about because the whole Lovesy Tour concept was about evil vs. good; The Black Album and Dirty Mind vs. Lovesexy; you know, as in "part 1" then Anna Stesia then "part 2".

Oh, wow! Did I just explain the Lovesexy Tour concept for the first time ever?

Well, no, it was stated in the tour program... "There was a boy named Camille"...

Conspirationist BS...

Seriously

you can disagree but understand I know all this stuff I just call BS on the story...

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

wow! I have to say wow! you know prince was into so weird marketing things... if he was so opposed to the album why do 2 of the 'worst' songs on in concert... then say "don't buy it"?


I was a black album that was sold on the black market.

But anyway that is what I believe. there is no need to be all bart on me.

Oh yes there is. We're talking about the history of one of the most significant musical artists of the late 20th century, aren't we?

I ain't "barting" on you. I'm calling BS when I see BS. This is important. This is important because you're "donaldtrumping" us, i.e. turning personal theory and inferences into "alternate facts".

Your inferences have been contradicted by each and every testimony from each and every person involved or associated with those events.

Come-up with a new testimony, come up with a written document by Prince, come up with anything factual that supports your theory beyond your personal feelings and convenient inferences, I'll be the first one to acknowledge that you have made a discovery and that we have solid elements to support a new theory about what happened.

Up until that, stop messing up with the kids' mind with your BS.

Sorry for the tone, I don't mean no disrespect, but I can't possibly condone this "my opinion is worth as much as established facts" approach. You people are destroying civilization, no less, and I weight my words.

[Edited 12/1/17 12:58pm]

what about the story of when Prince was in someone's office and he saw a copy of the album and did not seem to care?