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Reply #300 posted 11/25/17 4:58am

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What does halving or quartering pills have to do with anything?

If anything, it would point MORE towards addiction since the user would try to ration his supply and, if taking too much, would say "i'll just take half" to take the jones away without running through his stash. It's also a common thing for users who take to crushing up and snorting the pills since you get a faster high and crushing one all at once is too much to snort.

Addicts do this all the time; doing half bumps of coke or saving a shot of H for later on. Stashing a bottle somewhere in the hosue adn sipping on it. SHit like that. Breaking up the pills doens't tell us anything.

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Reply #301 posted 11/25/17 6:04am

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My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.

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Reply #302 posted 11/25/17 7:18am

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herb4 said:

What does halving or quartering pills have to do with anything?

If anything, it would point MORE towards addiction since the user would try to ration his supply and, if taking too much, would say "i'll just take half" to take the jones away without running through his stash. It's also a common thing for users who take to crushing up and snorting the pills since you get a faster high and crushing one all at once is too much to snort.

Addicts do this all the time; doing half bumps of coke or saving a shot of H for later on. Stashing a bottle somewhere in the hosue adn sipping on it. SHit like that. Breaking up the pills doens't tell us anything.

At LAST, a voice of reason on the whole pill-chopping dead end..Re the bolded: TO PRETEND ONE IS IN CONTROL.

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Reply #303 posted 11/25/17 7:25am

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herb4 said:

What does halving or quartering pills have to do with anything?

If anything, it would point MORE towards addiction since the user would try to ration his supply and, if taking too much, would say "i'll just take half" to take the jones away without running through his stash. It's also a common thing for users who take to crushing up and snorting the pills since you get a faster high and crushing one all at once is too much to snort.

Addicts do this all the time; doing half bumps of coke or saving a shot of H for later on. Stashing a bottle somewhere in the hosue adn sipping on it. SHit like that. Breaking up the pills doens't tell us anything.

That is what I've said all along. Breaking the pills in 1/2 or 1/4 is a sign of addiction, not to take less but to take more. An addict needs their pills.

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Reply #304 posted 11/25/17 7:38am

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muleFunk said:

My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.

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Reply #305 posted 11/25/17 8:06am

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I used to break my pain pills in half all the time. I have back pain it was more severe before and has gotten better with PT. This debate in the halfing of pills got me thinking. Honestly, in my case, I was trying to stretch them out because I needed them so much in my mind. I was addicted point blank period. I would get a higher strength of Vic's so I could half them and make them stretch out more during the day so I wouldn't be in pain. It's a mental game. It sucked and just knowing what Prince and several others deal with on a daily grind with pain pills just makes me feel sick.

I was able to get off them I had to - pain pills mess with your mind, play tricks on you. And if you are really in pain it is sad because you need relief but don't wanna be a slave to this crap.

For natural pain relief I say choose Mary J and call it a day.
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
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Reply #306 posted 11/25/17 8:11am

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Maybe it's not black and white. Maybe some addicts take 'just a little more', a quarter pill, let's say, because their craving is not being kept at bay with their 'regular' dose.

Maybe others are trying to ween in small increments.

And maybe BOTH behaviors can be noted in the SAME addict...maybe as frequently as during the same day...ESPECIALLY if the addict is taking street pills where the dosages may be all over the place.

What remains is that Prince was an addict and he probably should have been in a lock-down drug rehab program months before he died. RIP.

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Reply #307 posted 11/25/17 9:29am

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muleFunk said:

My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.


Right. Which a lot of addicts do either in an attempt to taper or to pace themselves when they know they're above their dose. You're correct as weel, which is why the half pills realy don't tell us anything.


AnnaStesia10 said:

I used to break my pain pills in half all the time. I have back pain it was more severe before and has gotten better with PT. This debate in the halfing of pills got me thinking. Honestly, in my case, I was trying to stretch them out because I needed them so much in my mind. I was addicted point blank period. I would get a higher strength of Vic's so I could half them and make them stretch out more during the day so I wouldn't be in pain. It's a mental game. It sucked and just knowing what Prince and several others deal with on a daily grind with pain pills just makes me feel sick. I was able to get off them I had to - pain pills mess with your mind, play tricks on you. And if you are really in pain it is sad because you need relief but don't wanna be a slave to this crap. For natural pain relief I say choose Mary J and call it a day.


And there you go. Case in point and you described it well. You start to count the days/doses to your next refill and begin fractioning and micro-managing the meds to help set and (to the person's mind) control the pace. Also, agree about weed but many are drug tested and can lose their jobs.

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Reply #308 posted 11/25/17 9:47am

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muleFunk said:

My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.

It is an indicator of addiction. The 1/2 pills that were found is of no determinate factor in Prince's tolerance for the medication. Cutting pills into 1/2 when you have 99 others at your disposal is the equivalent of a smoker buying a carton of cigarettes a day yet convinces himself that if he smokes (4) cigarettes a day, he is weaning. Trash bin.

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Reply #309 posted 11/25/17 10:04am

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herb4 said:



muleFunk said:


My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.



It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.






Right. Which a lot of addicts do either in an attempt to taper or to pace themselves when they know they're above their dose. You're correct as weel, which is why the half pills realy don't tell us anything.





AnnaStesia10 said:


I used to break my pain pills in half all the time. I have back pain it was more severe before and has gotten better with PT. This debate in the halfing of pills got me thinking. Honestly, in my case, I was trying to stretch them out because I needed them so much in my mind. I was addicted point blank period. I would get a higher strength of Vic's so I could half them and make them stretch out more during the day so I wouldn't be in pain. It's a mental game. It sucked and just knowing what Prince and several others deal with on a daily grind with pain pills just makes me feel sick. I was able to get off them I had to - pain pills mess with your mind, play tricks on you. And if you are really in pain it is sad because you need relief but don't wanna be a slave to this crap. For natural pain relief I say choose Mary J and call it a day.


And there you go. Case in point and you described it well. You start to count the days/doses to your next refill and begin fractioning and micro-managing the meds to help set and (to the person's mind) control the pace. Also, agree about weed but many are drug tested and can lose their jobs.

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Yes herb4 totally right on. It's a mind f. And sad but true on weed. The stigma against it is so unfortunate.
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Reply #310 posted 11/25/17 3:18pm

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NOTHING posted here is an accurate "EXPLANATION" of anything besides the FACT that he passed away. We don't know why he was taking pain killers, was it truly for pain, was he depressed or addicted, only HE knew why!

I mean, NO ONE knows what Prince TRULY thought or was thinking in all honesty....correct? Even when he did say something or acted a certain way be it privately, publicy or in a song lyric, he took those reasons/answers to the grave. No one knows "the secret person of the heart"

If he did or didn't reach out for certain types of help, be it physical or mental, none of us will ever know the REAL, ENTIRE reason of why he did or did not do certain things. He did not owe an explanation to anyone, he could have been to a shrink or had multiple surgeries, how would we know?

Everyone speaks of what a private and reclusive man he was, that he did not like to air his laundry be it clean or dirty. He didn't come off as one of the Kardashians when it came to being a publicity hound. For the most part he kept it close to his vest.

There are so many "Fans" that constantly say why he did this or why he didn't do that, as if they know and what they are saying is factual.

In my opinion, I think a lot of people become so obsessed with actors, musicians etc. that they honestly begin to believe they know this person intimately, that they can read them, speak for them. When in reality, they truly haven't the faintest idea what they are talking about. There are MANY people here that have followed Prince so intently, his every move, his interviews etc.

Yet you still do NOT know the man, or what he was really feeling or thinking. Was he lying, joking or just screwing with people or the media.

There are so many 'Fans' that constantly are saying WHY he did this or WHY he didn't do that, as if what they are saying were fact. When in reality these are all pure guesses, pure presumption.

This post is NOT meant to insult or upset anyone, I just do not understand all the bickering and talk of what and why, the reading into his actions as if anyone here actually knows. Maybe this is part of the grieving process for many and in that case I sympathize. I also do NOT mean to upset or anger anyone, this is just my twocents

Peace,

DC

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All of this, especially the bolded.


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Reply #311 posted 11/25/17 3:55pm

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Menes said:

muleFunk said:

My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.

It is an indicator of addiction. The 1/2 pills that were found is of no determinate factor in Prince's tolerance for the medication. Cutting pills into 1/2 when you have 99 others at your disposal is the equivalent of a smoker buying a carton of cigarettes a day yet convinces himself that if he smokes (4) cigarettes a day, he is weaning. Trash bin.


Exactly, it's a way to play it safe while keeping up the addiction.

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Reply #312 posted 11/25/17 3:58pm

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Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

My mother does this to her pills and her mother did it as well.

It's not an indicator of addiction. It's more an indicator of someone trying to cut the strength of the medication.

nod



I'm addicted to coffee. I'm trying to cut down but it's strong stuff!

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Reply #313 posted 12/03/17 2:11pm

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Unless you have the ability to see inside Prince's head or are a mind reader, none of us will ever know why he broke pills in half or why he did most of the things he did in his very short life. Every situation is different and every addict (drug-dependent) person is different. I'm not an addiction specialist, but I've been around (lived with) loved one's who were addicted to drugs/alcohol, and they all behaved differently. Usually with an addict, the person will go through great lengths to hide their addiction. I did not see that to be the case with Prince, as there were pills found all around his living quarters. That to me, does not look like someone is trying to hide an addiction. My Mother used to drink heavily (God rest her soul), and she would hide the liquor, but I knew she was drinking (under the influence). I did not know Prince, personally, but I did know my Mother and her habits.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #314 posted 12/03/17 7:33pm

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cloveringold85 said:

Unless you have the ability to see inside Prince's head or are a mind reader, none of us will ever know why he broke pills in half or why he did most of the things he did in his very short life.

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If you were living life at the pace of his life then you could experience a very very long life, assuming you reached an age that is at or perhaps over the avergae in your area.

Saying that Prince had a very short life is wrong in at least two ways:

Living for over half a century is not short.

Then he lived life, at least his work but perhaps otehr thinsg as well, at a pace that molst peopel can only dream of.

Thus his life had more happenings in it than the average Joe at that age.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #315 posted 12/03/17 11:36pm

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cloveringold85 said:

Unless you have the ability to see inside Prince's head or are a mind reader, none of us will ever know why he broke pills in half or why he did most of the things he did in his very short life.

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If you were living life at the pace of his life then you could experience a very very long life, assuming you reached an age that is at or perhaps over the avergae in your area.

Saying that Prince had a very short life is wrong in at least two ways:

Living for over half a century is not short.

Then he lived life, at least his work but perhaps otehr thinsg as well, at a pace that molst peopel can only dream of.

Thus his life had more happenings in it than the average Joe at that age.

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That's like when someone dies at 62 and people say "he was so young!". WTF....no, 50 is old, 60 is old, 70 is old. A short life is dying at 25, not 57. But of course Prince's life was cut short by either additiction or accidental fentanyl or both.

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Reply #316 posted 12/04/17 1:51pm

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57 years old is a very young age to die. Prince was just entering the prime of his life. I don't understand how anyone can think that 40, 50 or even 60 is old age.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #317 posted 12/04/17 1:57pm

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cloveringold85 said:

57 years old is a very young age to die. Prince was just entering the prime of his life. I don't understand how anyone can think that 40, 50 or even 60 is old age.

I agree Clover, 57 is young. These days people are living into their 90's.

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Reply #318 posted 12/04/17 2:03pm

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

57 years old is a very young age to die. Prince was just entering the prime of his life. I don't understand how anyone can think that 40, 50 or even 60 is old age.

I agree Clover, 57 is young. These days people are living into their 90's.

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I just celebrated 50 this past July, so I guess that makes me an old lady, NOT. I'm the same age as JLo & Gwen Stefani, and I don't consider them to be old. Heck, there are people who look and feel better at age 50 than they did when they were 30!! Old is just a state of mind, imo.

Hey, PP Gurl........hope you've been good!! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #319 posted 12/04/17 8:40pm

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PennyPurple said:

I agree Clover, 57 is young. These days people are living into their 90's.

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Check the average age at death.

Life expectancy is stabilizing or already going down.

Especially in the USSA.

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Reply #320 posted 12/04/17 10:25pm

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Dunno, Kirk Douglas is turning 101 years old on Friday...

Find strength in that which remains...
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Reply #321 posted 12/05/17 2:31am

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tomcooper2323 said:

udo said:

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If you were living life at the pace of his life then you could experience a very very long life, assuming you reached an age that is at or perhaps over the avergae in your area.

Saying that Prince had a very short life is wrong in at least two ways:

Living for over half a century is not short.

Then he lived life, at least his work but perhaps otehr thinsg as well, at a pace that molst peopel can only dream of.

Thus his life had more happenings in it than the average Joe at that age.

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That's like when someone dies at 62 and people say "he was so young!". WTF....no, 50 is old, 60 is old, 70 is old. A short life is dying at 25, not 57. But of course Prince's life was cut short by either additiction or accidental fentanyl or both.

50 is old?! WTF? People are living to a much riper age these days. 50 is middle aged. I think the wording itself is self explanatory...

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Reply #322 posted 12/05/17 6:26am

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Because the `pension system` is a ponzi, especially in the USSA, people will have to act like they are younger for a bit longer.

That is why.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #323 posted 12/05/17 12:52pm

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udo said:

Because the `pension system` is a ponzi, especially in the USSA, people will have to act like they are younger for a bit longer.

That is why.



How would you know? Are you a US citizen or someone who just likes to sling arrows?

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Reply #324 posted 12/05/17 1:41pm

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MMJas said:

tomcooper2323 said:

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That's like when someone dies at 62 and people say "he was so young!". WTF....no, 50 is old, 60 is old, 70 is old. A short life is dying at 25, not 57. But of course Prince's life was cut short by either additiction or accidental fentanyl or both.

50 is old?! WTF? People are living to a much riper age these days. 50 is middle aged. I think the wording itself is self explanatory...

Thank you Lord for that!! 50 is middle, middle age.

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Reply #325 posted 12/05/17 2:17pm

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SpinsterSister said:

MMJas said:

50 is old?! WTF? People are living to a much riper age these days. 50 is middle aged. I think the wording itself is self explanatory...

Thank you Lord for that!! 50 is middle, middle age.


hug Damn right it is! nod

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Reply #326 posted 12/05/17 3:21pm

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I guess 50 is old if you are like, 12 or 20! LOL lol

Just the other day on my local news station, they showed a woman who just celebrated 102 years, and she played the piano beautifully; it brought me to tears. She even uses a smart phone and sends texts to her great granddaughter!! lol

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #327 posted 12/06/17 3:03pm

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muleFunk said:

206Michelle said:

I'm just trying to make sense of this whole situation (Prince's death) as best I can, given the known information (what I know from the search warrants) and the unknown information. As a part of making sense of this situation, I'm assuming that Prince was the person injesting the Oxycodone and Watson 853 that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed to Kirk Johnson. Having said that, what I'm about to say is just a guess/speculation/grasping at straws. (It's entirely possible that others have come to this same conclusion previously).

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Perhaps Prince was using both legitimate prescription painkillers and black market painkillers because he wanted access to more painkillers than Dr. S could prescribe for him. If there was a limit on the supply of legitimate prescription painkillers that Dr. S could prescribe for him, the easiest way to gain access to more of the painkillers would be via the black market. As a reseult of accessing additional painkillers through the black market, he unknowingly received fentanyl-laced pills, injested these pills, and [sigh] neutral died.

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Does my thought process make sense to people?

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

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Mule: Your above comment is exactly why I think it's strange they had him cremated so quickly. Usually they keep the body for further examination/investigation.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #328 posted 12/07/17 9:12pm

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cloveringold85 said:

muleFunk said:

Makes good sense until you realize that the evidence also shows a man who had pills in halves and fourths in those bottles. That's not a sign of someone who was getting high or even adddicted.

Mix in that with the 59 pills in the Bayer anad Alleve bottles were so highlt laced with Fentanyl that whomever touched them would have been poisoned by those pills.

When the M.E. opened him up and discovered the toxicology report of his body it sent them back to P.P. to look for more evidence of where they came from and THEY CAN'T FIND THE SOURCE ANYWHERE.

This was a HIT/MURDER/ASSASSINATION made to look like the typical rock star OD.

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Mule: Your above comment is exactly why I think it's strange they had him cremated so quickly. Usually they keep the body for further examination/investigation.

the super-fast cremation will ALWAYS be a red flag to me... i initially thought it was a hit, but i had slowly given in to believing the media reports about the drugs and whatnot, but im again starting to get the gut feeling (again) that he was murdered...too much smoke and mirrors... and i believe Mayte when she says he had a will (at one time)...the icons have always seemd to depart under devious and dubious circumstances.... so why would the One & Only Prince Nelson be any different...and he had several people (some in very high places) that would have had reason to have him bodied...

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Reply #329 posted 12/08/17 3:00am

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laytonian said:

Serious fans know of Andea Swensson of The Current AND her great book GOT TO BE SOMETHING HERE. If you haven't got that one yet, you are missing out on lots of important history.

In a panel held this week, she offers perhaps the best explanation why Prince is no longer here:

"During the Q&A session, an audience member asked how Prince’s death could create a potential positive change for the Opioid Epidemic. Andrea clarified that Prince’s death was actually part of an epidemic of mental health stigma surrounding musicians and public figures. Prince’s death was the result of being in “a lot of pain and [being] scared to tell anyone.”

I had to think about that...but I think she's correct. He didn't want to admit he wasn't as strong as he'd been in his earlier life and never wanted to admit an addiction -- so he hid it. He wanted to give his fam THE FULL PRINCE, no matter the cost to himself. Remember when he said "what if everyone left me?"
Lisa Coleman said essentially the same thing last year: (paraphrasing) "My friend isn't here because he couldn't say he was getting older..."

https://www.peopleofpaisl...e-mourning


I don't dispute that Lisa said this, but I do disagree with the sentiment.

Many people have hip replacement surgery and make complete recoveries . . . not sure if Prince would've been back to jumping off pianos and doing the splits, but for sure well enough to perform and dance. But, if his religion forbids blood transfusions, I guess he was kind of stuck self-medicating the problem away.

For someone who was so adamantly against drugs, to be associated with drugs at the end, it's crushing.

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