ThatWhiteDude said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Lemme help you: I pointed to a time when he cancelled an album's release for a fickle reason. Now compare to what happened with he did and didn't do when it came to Emancipation. Hint: he didn't cancel it.

That's what I tried to explaine too. He could've canceled it, he could've canceled the interview. If I was him, I wouldn't have give a fuck about Oprah and her crew, and would've said: "My wife recovers from the birth." End of it.

I didn't say that I don't understand why he coped with the situation the way he did. But no one can deny that what he put his wife through was cruel. And no, he wasn't cruel to himself, because, he decided for himself. But Mayte was forced to do it and it was too easy to manipulate her while she was in that state of mind.

Granted, and P could always have delayed the interview, rather than cancel it altogether.

Let's try and be sane here, and seek the middle ground instead of being absolutist about everything

fortuneandserendipity said:

Amazing how good The Smiths's Andy Rourke's basslines were, when he was hooked on heroin Or Peter Buck's brilliant guitar playing and songwriting when he was using drink and drugs since the age of 14 to deal with depression and anxiety issues

Funny that.

Funny how Sly Stone could not find the stadium, George Jones drove off to get alcohol doing a concert, Ray Charles smashed his own hand threw a glass table and did not even realize it because of herion, funny how Miles Davis recorded no music for five year while he sat in his house as high as kite everyday and spent time looking for the hidden people in his clothes, funny how David Bowie froze his own pee because he thought someone was trying to steal it, funny how George Clinton said coke prevented him from making music as well as knowing what day it was for about 20 years.

Funny how Morris Day was so high during PR that had guard had to make sure he did not wander off the set. None of these people have anywhere near the volume of recorded music Prince had, logged as many hours at soundchecks, concerts, aftershows, producing, writting, engineering, running a record lable, making movies, donating to charity, running a real estate trust, and partying.

If you want to believe that he did all of these things for extended periods of time with very little breaks under the influence of drugs for 20 years I want to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

That's what I tried to explaine too. He could've canceled it, he could've canceled the interview. If I was him, I wouldn't have give a fuck about Oprah and her crew, and would've said: "My wife recovers from the birth." End of it.

I didn't say that I don't understand why he coped with the situation the way he did. But no one can deny that what he put his wife through was cruel. And no, he wasn't cruel to himself, because, he decided for himself. But Mayte was forced to do it and it was too easy to manipulate her while she was in that state of mind.

Because you are not in the entertainment industry with 100s of people depending on you to make a living. It is easy to request to cancel an album and the ultimate decision rested with WB not Prince.

Not so hard to ask Oprah to get back on a plane with her entire crew when you the artist wanted her to come to your home state and interview you. Prince had a contract with a new record company and I am sure they were not going to be understanding.

We have no proof other then what Mayte has said about the stituation to say he forced her to do anything. Unless he put a gun to her head I doubt he forced her to do anything. Even now as a 40 something year old women she takes no responsiblity for going along with a lot of things she did not like or agree with it.

fortuneandserendipity said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

That's what I tried to explaine too. He could've canceled it, he could've canceled the interview. If I was him, I wouldn't have give a fuck about Oprah and her crew, and would've said: "My wife recovers from the birth." End of it.

I didn't say that I don't understand why he coped with the situation the way he did. But no one can deny that what he put his wife through was cruel. And no, he wasn't cruel to himself, because, he decided for himself. But Mayte was forced to do it and it was too easy to manipulate her while she was in that state of mind.

Granted, and P could always have delayed the interview, rather than cancel it altogether.

Let's try and be sane here, and seek the middle ground instead of being absolutist about everything

Okay that. At least he should've done that, rather than putting his wife through this shit just to promote a fucking Album

fortuneandserendipity said:

Amazing how good The Smiths's Andy Rourke's basslines were, when he was hooked on heroin Or Peter Buck's brilliant guitar playing and songwriting when he was using drink and drugs since the age of 14 to deal with depression and anxiety issues

Funny that.

Stop with the facts, they don't belong on the org.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

laurarichardson said:

Because you are not in the entertainment industry with 100s of people depending on you to make a living. It is easy to request to cancel an album and the ultimate decision rested with WB not Prince.

Not so hard to ask Oprah to get back on a plane with her entire crew when you the artist wanted her to come to your home state and interview you. Prince had a contract with a new record company and I am sure they were not going to be understanding.

We have no proof other then what Mayte has said about the stituation to say he forced her to do anything. Unless he put a gun to her head I doubt he forced her to do anything. Even now as a 40 something year old women she takes no responsiblity for going along with a lot of things she did not like or agree with it.

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

I believe what I know to be factual. Swensson has no idea about what Prince's thoughts were about pain or any access to his medical records or how his telling the world would have changed anything. These are facts she is just a person with an opinion some of which came from something she read on the internet.

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

--- Unless you were in Prince and Mayte house you have no fucking idea about what you are talking about and no way to prove anything that you say. We just do not know because Prince did not go around telling all of his business and Mayte waited until he was dead to run her mouth.

These are facts.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

She is not mature. She was drunk on YOUTUBE with her daugther getting a tattoo and I have only stated facts and I have not insulted you I insulted Swensson for her statements which are moronic. I disagree with you and that should not be seen as an insult if you are a mature person.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

I do not know anything about Morris wanting to go to Europe in the past. I know Prince is not around anymore and he is still on the casino circuit. I do not know that if the songs arre written by Prince , Prince played the bulk of the intstrutments, and owns the name of the group you do kind of have to do what he wants. He was the boss. Do you tell your boss what to do?

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

It tells me she was a fool because she was the one complaining about money later on and has no one to blame but herself for not going after more money. See a mature person would have figured that out 20 years ago and stop crying over a man who does not care for you anymore.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

I believe what I know to be factual. Swensson has no idea about what Prince's thoughts were about pain or any access to his medical records or how his telling the world would have changed anything. These are facts she is just a person with an opinion some of which came from something she read on the internet.

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

--- Unless you were in Prince and Mayte house you have no fucking idea about what you are talking about and no way to prove anything that you say. We just do not know because Prince did not go around telling all of his business and Mayte waited until he was dead to run her mouth.

These are facts.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

She is not mature. She was drunk on YOUTUBE with her daugther getting a tattoo and I have only stated facts and I have not insulted you I insulted Swensson for her statements which are moronic. I disagree with you and that should not be seen as an insult if you are a mature person.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

I do not know anything about Morris wanting to go to Europe in the past. I know Prince is not around anymore and he is still on the casino circuit. I do not know that if the songs arre written by Prince , Prince played the bulk of the intstrutments, and owns the name of the group you do kind of have to do what he wants. He was the boss. Do you tell your boss what to do?

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

It tells me she was a fool because she was the one complaining about money later on and has no one to blame but herself for not going after more money. See a mature person would have figured that out 20 years ago and stop crying over a man who does not care for you anymore.

Did you say anything important? All I read was bla bla bla

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Yeah right, because Prince would be the first to admit that he was a controlling asshole sometimes! It's funny that you always say "mayte is a lair, "Swensson sounds crazy." You only believe people you personaly chose to like!

I believe what I know to be factual. Swensson has no idea about what Prince's thoughts were about pain or any access to his medical records or how his telling the world would have changed anything. These are facts she is just a person with an opinion some of which came from something she read on the internet.

Wrap your head around the fact that Prince didn't give a fuck about what Mayte wanted on that day, "I need you to do this Interview" Fuck it! It was his Album! If he wanted to promote it, he should've done it by himself! He forced her to do it because if she wouldn't have done it, there would've been more rumors. I was not the one who said he should've stopped the Album! I was talking about the Interview. You always try to justify his actions no matter how disgusting and egocentric they may have been, you are the epidome of fanatic.

--- Unless you were in Prince and Mayte house you have no fucking idea about what you are talking about and no way to prove anything that you say. We just do not know because Prince did not go around telling all of his business and Mayte waited until he was dead to run her mouth.

These are facts.

And I think Mayte is way more mature than you, because she doesn't have to insult people she doesn't even know on a forum like that.

She is not mature. She was drunk on YOUTUBE with her daugther getting a tattoo and I have only stated facts and I have not insulted you I insulted Swensson for her statements which are moronic. I disagree with you and that should not be seen as an insult if you are a mature person.

What about the Time? Morris wanted to go to Europe and Japane, but he couldn't because Prince was a controll freak and stopped them! Was he immature as well? Why didn't he just go with his band? Prince was in controll of every-fucking-thing! EITHER HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

I do not know anything about Morris wanting to go to Europe in the past. I know Prince is not around anymore and he is still on the casino circuit. I do not know that if the songs arre written by Prince , Prince played the bulk of the intstrutments, and owns the name of the group you do kind of have to do what he wants. He was the boss. Do you tell your boss what to do?

You know what? Mayte had the chance to get as much money as Mani did, but she refused, what does that tell you? If I was her, I would've took everything I could've, just to fuck him back for that Interview.

It tells me she was a fool because she was the one complaining about money later on and has no one to blame but herself for not going after more money. See a mature person would have figured that out 20 years ago and stop crying over a man who does not care for you anymore.

Did you say anything important? All I read was bla bla bla

Well that explains why you do not know anything. So we are good.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did you say anything important? All I read was bla bla bla

Well that explains why you do not know anything. So we are good.

Brace yourselves people, Miss know it all has spoken.

[Edited 11/15/17 7:20am]

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Well that explains why you do not know anything. So we are good.

Brace yourselves people, Miss know it all has spoken.

[Edited 11/15/17 7:20am]

I do not know everything. I just know more then you do. Keep it coming.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Brace yourselves people, Miss know it all has spoken.

[Edited 11/15/17 7:20am]

I do not know everything. I just know more then you do. Keep it coming.

I won't argue with people over their personal believes.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not know everything. I just know more then you do. Keep it coming.

I won't argue with people over their personal believes.

But you think you know what went on in a marriage 20 years ago and what Prince's thougts were

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I won't argue with people over their personal believes.

But you think you know what went on in a marriage 20 years ago and what Prince's thougts were

Nope, never said so.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

But you think you know what went on in a marriage 20 years ago and what Prince's thougts were

Nope, never said so.

You have said that Prince was forcing her to go on that T. V interview and making her do things that she did not want to do and was so cruel.

When you have no idea.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Nope, never said so.

You have said that Prince was forcing her to go on that T. V interview and making her do things that she did not want to do and was so cruel.

When you have no idea.

She said he did force her to do it. And from what we know about his character, (specially when he wanted to get what he wanted), it sounds plausible.

I could also say that you say that you know that he didn't force her. WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA EITHER.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplerabbithole said:

Chill out you two. Is it really necessary to completely demonize Prince...snip

Nope , not at all. Especially not on PRINCE.ORG People who come here just to do it don't belong here. Period.

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First of all, I didn't demonize Prince, I'd never do it. He's my favourite musician. All I did was speak against the way he managed to get Mayte to do this Interview. Things got a little bit heated when Laura claimed that she knows what was going on and I don't. And no, Prince wasn't voilent, but I didn't ever state that either. "I need you to do this Interview" he was dominant in a psycholigical way. And no one here compared him to Weinstein or Kevin Spacey, because he didn't abuse his power to rape anyone.

I defend Mayte on only that subject, because no matter how you try to turn it, what Prince did wasn't right. Again, her psycholigical state of mind allowed him to be psycholigical dominant. He should've stopped when she said that she just can't do it. But he didn't. He let the people come to get Mayte ready. Maybe she did it out of love, I mean, she even stated in one Interview that it was just the way he was coping with that situation, but that doesn't make it right. He should've known that Mayte wasn't ready for an interview when their son died just a week ago, he should've known better and I bet he did, but I guess he just didn't give a fuck, who knows.

purplerabbithole said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

She said he did force her to do it. And from what we know about his character, (specially when he wanted to get what he wanted), it sounds plausible.

I could also say that you say that you know that he didn't force her. WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA EITHER.

Chill out you two. Is it really necessary to completely demonize Prince or Mayte to defend the other. People are hot messes, all of them. But mostly they are motivated by self defense, self interest and mostly good intentions. As for the word ‘force’, let’s remember that P is ultimately a 5’2” musician of significant fame and power but who is no studio head and is certainly not the most powerful musician ever. He is not known for violence, recriminations beyond firings from Paisley or for the use of actual physical force. Even the Time could still record under another name. It was no mystery by the time Mayte came into the picture that he fucked around and was a control freak, but in the whole scheme of things people (if they really want to) can say no. I say this admitting that it would probably be difficult to say No or to not be intimidated by his fame and talent. That being said, he is no Harvey Weinstein or Trump. His power has limits. If Mayte’s father could approach him about pay issues, he could have approached him about forcing her to go on the show. Fame and the entertainment machine are sometimes bigger than the people in it. BTW most of the emancipation promotion was without Mayte. It must have been difficult for her but the parents of deceased children have to speak publically during funerals—bigger scale for Mayte obviously but still she must be a tough cookie to dance in front of thousands.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplerabbithole said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, I didn't demonize Prince, I'd never do it. He's my favourite musician. All I did was speak against the way he managed to get Mayte to do this Interview. Things got a little bit heated when Laura claimed that she knows what was going on and I don't. And no, Prince wasn't voilent, but I didn't ever state that either. "I need you to do this Interview" he was dominant in a psycholigical way. And no one here compared him to Weinstein or Kevin Spacey, because he didn't abuse his power to rape anyone.

I defend Mayte on only that subject, because no matter how you try to turn it, what Prince did wasn't right. Again, her psycholigical state of mind allowed him to be psycholigical dominant. He should've stopped when she said that she just can't do it. But he didn't. He let the people come to get Mayte ready. Maybe she did it out of love, I mean, she even stated in one Interview that it was just the way he was coping with that situation, but that doesn't make it right. He should've known that Mayte wasn't ready for an interview when their son died just a week ago, he should've known better and I bet he did, but I guess he just didn't give a fuck, who knows.

Your line “I bet he didn’t give a fuck” does seem to step into demonizing because you are assuming the worst. Doesn’t seem calm. When I said Weinstein I was referring to the harassment and his ability to destroy careers more than the rapes. As for psychological issues after a child’s death, I imagine the father has some of the same ones. I am not spinning it to make Mayte seem bad

I said I guess, followed by who knows. Not that I know for sure. But he should've known it better. It's really fucked that you can't even critize one thing about Prince, people are fast to say you demonize Prince and don't belong here.

I didn't say his state of mind wasn't the same, but it was about him forcing Mayte to do the interview with him.

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

You have said that Prince was forcing her to go on that T. V interview and making her do things that she did not want to do and was so cruel.

When you have no idea.

She said he did force her to do it. And from what we know about his character, (specially when he wanted to get what he wanted), it sounds plausible.

I could also say that you say that you know that he didn't force her. WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA EITHER.

Did you think he put a gun to her head? Because to me that is forcing. She did not look distressed her that show and her mom was sitting right next to her. You run off and leave somone who is mistreating you. You do not stay in the big manision in Spain.

What I know comes from deduction and common sense. You are still caring on about his charater as if you had some personal relationship with him.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

She said he did force her to do it. And from what we know about his character, (specially when he wanted to get what he wanted), it sounds plausible.

I could also say that you say that you know that he didn't force her. WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA EITHER.

Did you think he put a gun to her head? Because to me that is forcing. She did not look distressed her that show and her mom was sitting right next to her. You run off and leave somone who is mistreating you. You do not stay in the big manision in Spain.

What I know comes from deduction and common sense. You are still caring on about his charater as if you had some personal relationship with him.

That's why I stop to discuss that matter with you any further, you entitle yourself all over again and say that you know EVERYTHING better than the rest on the org.

Ever talked to a woman that was physically abused (NO I DON'T IMPLIE THAT P DID IT JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR), she'll tell you how hard it is to run off and leave when someone is mistreating you.

Mumio said:

JasminMaria said:

Swensson, 2 Letters: BS

Is there something you want to share with us JasminMaria?

Do I detect a hint of condescension, Mumio?

[Edited 11/15/17 10:52am]

JasminMaria said:

Mumio said:

Is there something you want to share with us JasminMaria?

Do I detect a hint of condescension, Mumio?

[Edited 11/15/17 10:52am]

Not at all Just wondered if there was something a little more to share with us given the "BS" you noted.

tHANKS FOR THE SHARE OP...

Interesting nevertheless.

One thing that bugs me, is that last instagram post by VANITY/DEnise Matthews...

it looked like organs... insides spewed all over... with Prince...and the word *DANGEROUSLY...

Maybe she was telling him to cut it down. Stop. You might be killing yourself.

Just saying... anybody else "see" that in it?

I never had an instagram. I don't think most people even need one. Don't wanna see what you ate for lunch, breakfast and dinner.... but having read that on the ORG and seen it... It looked forboding. Same with the CRUNCH chocolate overdose. Gallows humor.

At some point people vent their anxiety...even controlled folks. [forgive this slightly off topic intrustion]

There's a story that Freddie Mercury was attending a party with the bandmates (likely one of their last record industry nod celebrations) and a partygoer was complaining about her cold/whatever...among the band.... when Freddie drew his leg from under the table, and upward, rolling his pant leg up... saying "You think that is bad... try living with THIS" : revealing a large open wound on his leg. To which Brian May was horrified, and Fred quickly apologized"

Isolated incidents aside... people vent. Maybe the tell signs are there. We all continue to speculate.

Either way. Thanks again OP.

[Edited 11/15/17 11:41am]

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

She said he did force her to do it. And from what we know about his character, (specially when he wanted to get what he wanted), it sounds plausible.

I could also say that you say that you know that he didn't force her. WHEN YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA EITHER.

Did you think he put a gun to her head? Because to me that is forcing. She did not look distressed her that show and her mom was sitting right next to her. You run off and leave somone who is mistreating you. You do not stay in the big manision in Spain.

What I know comes from deduction and common sense. You are still caring on about his charater as if you had some personal relationship with him.

WTH you mean she didn't look distressed? She was trying to hold in her sobs and her lips were quivering trying to hold back.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

tHANKS FOR THE SHARE OP...

Interesting nevertheless.

One thing that bugs me, is that last instagram post by VANITY/DEnise Matthews...

it looked like organs... insides spewed all over... with Prince...and the word *DANGEROUSLY...

Maybe she was telling him to cut it down. Stop. You might be killing yourself.

Just saying... anybody else "see" that in it?

I never had an instagram. I don't think most people even need one. Don't wanna see what you ate for lunch, breakfast and dinner.... but having read that on the ORG and seen it... It looked forboding. Same with the CRUNCH chocolate overdose. Gallows humor.

At some point people vent their anxiety...even controlled folks. [forgive this slightly off topic intrustion]

There's a story that Freddie Mercury was attending a party with the bandmates (likely one of their last record industry nod celebrations) and a partygoer was complaining about her cold/whatever...among the band.... when Freddie drew his leg from under the table, and upward, rolling his pant leg up... saying "You think that is bad... try living with THIS" : revealing a large open wound on his leg. To which Brian May was horrified, and Fred quickly apologized"

Isolated incidents aside... people vent. Maybe the tell signs are there. We all continue to speculate.

Either way. Thanks again OP.

[Edited 11/15/17 11:41am]

It was a jellyfish.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Amazing how good The Smiths's Andy Rourke's basslines were, when he was hooked on heroin Or Peter Buck's brilliant guitar playing and songwriting when he was using drink and drugs since the age of 14 to deal with depression and anxiety issues

Funny that.

Funny how Sly Stone could not find the stadium, George Jones drove off to get alcohol doing a concert, Ray Charles smashed his own hand threw a glass table and did not even realize it because of herion, funny how Miles Davis recorded no music for five year while he sat in his house as high as kite everyday and spent time looking for the hidden people in his clothes, funny how David Bowie froze his own pee because he thought someone was trying to steal it, funny how George Clinton said coke prevented him from making music as well as knowing what day it was for about 20 years.

Funny how Morris Day was so high during PR that had guard had to make sure he did not wander off the set. None of these people have anywhere near the volume of recorded music Prince had, logged as many hours at soundchecks, concerts, aftershows, producing, writting, engineering, running a record lable, making movies, donating to charity, running a real estate trust, and partying.

If you want to believe that he did all of these things for extended periods of time with very little breaks under the influence of drugs for 20 years I want to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

All of which explains why people out there are functioning every day off opioids like codeine, prescribed to them by doctor. They're not falling down the stairs or driving the wrong way down the road. You're talking about celebs who aren't moderating their dosage while self-medicating.

It always comes down to one thing: a volume issue, as in how much to take per therapeutic dose vs falling-over-while-slurring-their-words dose.