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PrintableMilitant said: If TIDAL had paperwork they would have provided it by now, it's really that simple. —If Comerica has concrete proof why do not they not go to Federal court and get an order to remove the WB catalogue from Tidal’s platform or all of the music if they can? Comerica has no trouble getting one for Ian Boxhill? Can you answer that question? | |
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muleFunk said: This also gets into the digital releases of The Family and Madhouse 8 and 16 on these sites .
I am wondering now if they released these albums then why hasn't Jill Jones and Shelia E's albums haven't been uploaded? Or have they????? —I contacted Comerica about it and they said they would look into it. | |
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Militant said: If TIDAL had paperwork they would have provided it by now, it's really that simple. -Londell is a business advisor to Sharon, Norriane and John. In the most recent docs Comerica is asking for a mediator to deal with the NDA they want Londell to sign and they want the mediators to deal with older sibs. LM is still on the scence stirring up trouble. Go to the estate topic and read away. | |
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Heirs are not the Estate.
Some of the heirs are happy with the Estate. Some of them are not. But none of them, right now, have any say in what the Estate decides to do or not do.
Boxill never had any kind of deal with Prince and they aren't claiming to. TIDAL are claiming they have rights to shit that they don't have. |
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The question that I have is why did Sharon say tell us what you think the next release should be when they have no say in that release? |
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Militant said:
Heirs are not the Estate.
Some of the heirs are happy with the Estate. Some of them are not. But none of them, right now, have any say in what the Estate decides to do or not do.
Boxill never had any kind of deal with Prince and they aren't claiming to. TIDAL are claiming they have rights to shit that they don't have. If you're referencing material uploaded after Prince's passing that Prince was not alive to give approval to, then there is at least a possibility of wrongdoing. If however, the estate are talking about material delivered to Tidal during Prince's lifetime - including all the exclusive material - that is nonsense and can easily be disproved, paper work or not. Whatever, Tidal is the one streaming company Prince actually chose to work with and supported, whereas he openly criticised Spotify and Youtube, which is exactly where the estate has chosen to make his music available. Now those decisions might not be legally fraudulent, but they are certainly morally so, and clearly against Prince's wishes. | |
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Not true. The burden of proof is on Comerica in the Federal case because they are the Plaintiff's and initiated the lawsuit. This means in trial they present their case first. We do know there was an initial contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement between P and Tidal but it was not for Ps entire catalogue. If Tidal filed a Counterclaim against the Estate then they have the burden to prove what relief they are requesting in their Counterclaim. But the initial burden of proof is on the Estate (Comerica) to prove there was no contract for the terms Tidal is demanding they have. | |
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Prince got an equity stake like the other big artists with Tidal and everything after that initial part was all talk. Prince's death was a goldmine for them but it also left them in a bind since they couldn't prove anything he agreed to verbally. | |
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Besides the playlists "Purple Picks of the Week" and "ALWAYS," which music of Prince's was on Tidal prior to his death? [Edited 11/11/17 17:55pm] Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Yes, the burden of proof rests with Comerica because Comerica is the plaintiff. However, TIDAL obviously is lacking a contract or some paperwork to substantiate the business relationship with Prince. Otherwise, why would Comerica be taking the time and incurring the cost to take TIDAL to court? Prince's estate is already complex enough as it is. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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I'd like to know how those alleging wrongdoing on Tidal's part prior to Prince's passing on April 21, 2016, explain these tweets from Prince, of which just a few of those relevant are posted below: https://mobile.twitter.co...4148463616 https://mobile.twitter.co...6208894976 https://mobile.twitter.co...8078812161 https://mobile.twitter.co...1367976960 https://mobile.twitter.co...7746258944 https://mobile.twitter.co...5600840704 https://mobile.twitter.co...1522352128 https://mobile.twitter.co...2291213312 https://mobile.twitter.co...6561518592 https://mobile.twitter.co...4580192256 https://mobile.twitter.co...4136871936 https://mobile.twitter.co...3356119040 https://mobile.twitter.co...4291802114 https://mobile.twitter.co...9301894144 https://mobile.twitter.co...6310627328 https://mobile.twitter.co...4087653376 | |
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Are people actually reading? From the article..... In the latest in a long string of legal actions involving Prince's estate, his heirs are accusing Roc Nation of using a fraudulent contract to stream more than 500 of the artist's songs and videos. Nearly 60 documents, most of them under seal, were filed Friday in U.S. District Court in St. Paul. The plaintiffs, Prince's NPG Records and Music Publishing, are now owned by the estate. They allege that the defendants, Roc Nation LLC, Aspiro AB, Project Panther Ltd. and WiMP Music AS, fabricated and backdated a contract for the rights to stream Prince's music on Tidal. They say the defendants have failed to cooperate with the estate's request for documentation to prove they have a legitimate contract to use the artist's music. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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babynoz said: Are people actually reading? From the article..... In the latest in a long string of legal actions involving Prince's estate, his heirs are accusing Roc Nation of using a fraudulent contract to stream more than 500 of the artist's songs and videos. Nearly 60 documents, most of them under seal, were filed Friday in U.S. District Court in St. Paul. The plaintiffs, Prince's NPG Records and Music Publishing, are now owned by the estate. They allege that the defendants, Roc Nation LLC, Aspiro AB, Project Panther Ltd. and WiMP Music AS, fabricated and backdated a contract for the rights to stream Prince's music on Tidal. They say the defendants have failed to cooperate with the estate's request for documentation to prove they have a legitimate contract to use the artist's music. — I do not recall anywhere it was said that Tidal’s music for eternity that contest was suppose to be for 5 years. Also the heirs cannot file anything separate from the estate because they have not inherited anything which tells me whoever wrote the article does not know what they are even writing about. Oh and according to the Wall Street Journal WB has the licensing agreement for the soundtracks forever and I do not see the estate disputing the WB agreement. | |
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Militant said:
Heirs are not the Estate.
Some of the heirs are happy with the Estate. Some of them are not. But none of them, right now, have any say in what the Estate decides to do or not do.
Boxill never had any kind of deal with Prince and they aren't claiming to. TIDAL are claiming they have rights to shit that they don't have. Sorry Ian claimed he had rights to that music and put it up on line. It is called copyright infringement and Comerica went to court and put a stop to it quickly. They can do the same with Tidal if they can prove that Tidal does not have a right to have the music up on that platform ask yourself why it is still up. | |
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Strive said:
Prince got an equity stake like the other big artists with Tidal and everything after that initial part was all talk. Prince's death was a goldmine for them but it also left them in a bind since they couldn't prove anything he agreed to verbally. They claimed they paid him 3 million dollars how is that a scam. Do you honestly think Prince received equity in Tidal and not cash? | |
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206Michelle said:
Yes, the burden of proof rests with Comerica because Comerica is the plaintiff. However, TIDAL obviously is lacking a contract or some paperwork to substantiate the business relationship with Prince. Otherwise, why would Comerica be taking the time and incurring the cost to take TIDAL to court? Prince's estate is already complex enough as it is. Nothing is obvious. Comerica is going to have to prove that contracts were doctored. I wish them luck. | |
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muleFunk said: The question that I have is why did Sharon say tell us what you think the next release should be when they have no say in that release? Because she is delusional and so are certain people who do not see a scam artist manipulating 3 elderly people. | |
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—Personal feelings mean nothing in a court of law. I believe Prince got equity and cash. It was Lonnie who claimed their was no payment and I have not seen any reference to missing money since Comerica took over. Prince’s whole point was to get more revenue out of the streaming services I have no doubt he got money out and equity out of the Tidal deal. He was not sending them files, making playlists, and sending video for free. [Edited 11/12/17 11:23am] | |
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babynoz said: Finally, just because Prince had a gentleman's agreement to stream SOME of his music for a period of time does NOT automatically mean that Tidal has the right to stream ALL of his music in perpetuity. Bingo. Exactly this. We know that Prince would have moved on to the next thing pretty damn quickly, as he always did. TIDAL sold 33% of the company to Sprint for hundreds of millions after Prince died and if they weren’t gonna give him a cut he would have noped the fuck outta there. Which is why he didn’t sign contracts. Frankly, TIDAL failed to deliver on their “artist owned” shit - just ask Kanye. If someone THAT close to Jay has already ditched due to money issues..... you can bet P wasn’t gonna stick around on a sinking ship. TIDAL in 2017 has less than 1% streaming market share. Spotify and YouTube already won the streaming wars. Even Apple Music is a zombie only being kept alive due to Apple throwing insane amounts of money at it. Anything else is dead in the water, and the idea that P would given his entire catalogue for any extended period of time to ANYONE especially a dying company is laughable. |
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[Edited 11/11/17 19:28pm] No, I am not a lawyer. However, I have some basic understanding about how a civil trial works from doing 2 weeks of jury duty on a civil case, as well as some understanding of Special Education law. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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laurarichardson said: 206Michelle said: Prince clearly supported TIDAL. However, tweets supporting/endorsing TIDAL do not equal a contract.
It speaks to intent and if money was exchanged that is a problem. The estate has to prove that a contract was altered meaning there is a contract in place. I agree that the tweets do speak to intent. With there being money and rights to share intellectual property at stake, who knows how much weight the Tweets have in a court case? . Laura, Could you be more specific about what you mean when you say “if money was exchanged that is a problem”? I am inferring that you mean Prince and TIDAL exchanged money, but I would like clarity. Also, could you clarify exactly what the “problem” is with the exchange of money? I want to make sure that I understand your point. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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206Michelle said: laurarichardson said: It speaks to intent and if money was exchanged that is a problem. The estate has to prove that a contract was altered meaning there is a contract in place. I agree that the tweets do speak to intent. With there being money and rights to share intellectual property at stake, who knows how much weight the Tweets have in a court case? . Laura, Could you be more specific about what you mean when you say “if money was exchanged that is a problem”? I am inferring that you mean Prince and TIDAL exchanged money, but I would like clarity. Also, could you clarify exactly what the “problem” is with the exchange of money? I want to make sure that I understand your point. —From earlier court docs Tidal claimed that they paid Prince 3 million dollars in four installments. If Tidal can prove they paid Prince the money and show that Prince sent then the initial files with some preplan to deliver the WB material on his birthday then you have exchange and a implied contract. We know some contract exsist now because Comerica is claiming it has been altered when before they claimed a contract did not exsist at all. The sad thing is Prince wanted to work with this company and greed is making people actively go against his wishes. [Edited 11/12/17 11:22am] | |
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Militant said: babynoz said: Finally, just because Prince had a gentleman's agreement to stream SOME of his music for a period of time does NOT automatically mean that Tidal has the right to stream ALL of his music in perpetuity. Bingo. Exactly this. We know that Prince would have moved on to the next thing pretty damn quickly, as he always did. TIDAL sold 33% of the company to Sprint for hundreds of millions after Prince died and if they weren’t gonna give him a cut he would have noped the fuck outta there. Which is why he didn’t sign contracts. Frankly, TIDAL failed to deliver on their “artist owned” shit - just ask Kanye. If someone THAT close to Jay has already ditched due to money issues..... you can bet P wasn’t gonna stick around on a sinking ship. TIDAL in 2017 has less than 1% streaming market share. Spotify and YouTube already won the streaming wars. Even Apple Music is a zombie only being kept alive due to Apple throwing insane amounts of money at it. Anything else is dead in the water, and the idea that P would given his entire catalogue for any extended period of time to ANYONE especially a dying company is laughable. —The Sprint/ Tidal deal is a partnership. Nothing is being sold and nowhere has it been said the Tidal deal was forever. It is a five year deal. As long as any investor has equity their is a potential to make money if the business is purchased by another business entity. Please see the press release concerning the partnership not the sell of anything. No one is asking Kyane bi-polar ass anything he has own troubles. http://investors.sprint.c...fault.aspx [Edited 11/12/17 11:36am] | |
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