Damn.

laurarichardson said:

IstenSzek said:

it is absolutely baffling though that they would think they could get away with it

—- Londell is arrogant and that arrogance makes him think everyone else is stupid. He is a low rent conman who’s should Be ashamed of himself. Prince made his career and this is how he returns the favor and he gets half of the sibs to help him. The man had rats around him who only want money. His cousin was spot on about no one caring about him as person.

This sentiment has been posted on numerous threads, numerous times since Prince died: that he had few (or no) people around him who had his back, cared about him as a human being or who were not motivated primarily by money and greed.

I don't disagree but I wonder why this was (apparently) so? Prince has also been described here as charitable, generous with his time and professional expertise to proteges, a gentle, soft-spoken, shy, somewhat vulnerable, non-violent, religious person.

WHY WAS HE SURROUNDED BY CONS, SCAMMERS AND PEOPLE JUST PASSING THROUGH? WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT LED PEOPLE TO ONLY CARE FOR HIM SUPERFICIALLY?

Can anyone explain this to me?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

People can be phoney. Pretending to be a friend when they are not. Also remember Londell was not in Prince’s camp for over a decade he was fired. I am more surprised by Breamer as they were Prince’s wealth mangers for 30 years and it is shocking that they would allow LM to try to pull off this con.

Wonder if the Estate can go back thru those 30 years and see if there was any wrong doing, such as money missing, etc. ?

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

IstenSzek said: —- Londell is arrogant and that arrogance makes him think everyone else is stupid. He is a low rent conman who’s should Be ashamed of himself. Prince made his career and this is how he returns the favor and he gets half of the sibs to help him. The man had rats around him who only want money. His cousin was spot on about no one caring about him as person.

This sentiment has been posted on numerous threads, numerous times since Prince died: that he had few (or no) people around him who had his back, cared about him as a human being or who were not motivated primarily by money and greed.

I don't disagree but I wonder why this was (apparently) so? Prince has also been described here as charitable, generous with his time and professional expertise to proteges, a gentle, soft-spoken, shy, somewhat vulnerable, non-violent, religious person.

WHY WAS HE SURROUNDED BY CONS, SCAMMERS AND PEOPLE JUST PASSING THROUGH? WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT LED PEOPLE TO ONLY CARE FOR HIM SUPERFICIALLY?

Can anyone explain this to me?

By being part of an 'inner circle' one has access to $$$$ and stealing belongings. It all boils down to GREED. It's not love it's the $$$. Some folks are attracted to artists with $$$$ and benefits.

I don't know if the tragedy of Prince's death - for me, a brilliant artist with no one who truly loved him in the end IMO - will register with other celebrities, but I hope at least one looked at it and changed his or her life.

1Sasha said:

I don't know if the tragedy of Prince's death - for me, a brilliant artist with no one who truly loved him in the end IMO - will register with other celebrities, but I hope at least one looked at it and changed his or her life.

What could he have done differently? What can anyone do? You trust people to be decent and in some cases professional.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I don't know if the tragedy of Prince's death - for me, a brilliant artist with no one who truly loved him in the end IMO - will register with other celebrities, but I hope at least one looked at it and changed his or her life.

What could he have done differently? What can anyone do? You trust people to be decent and in some cases professional.

He's not the first or last super star to end up with "YES" people around them. These people prabably suited his lifestyle and probably made him comfortable in everyday life. But, none of us no the true character of people until the poop hits the fan.

It's sad, but Prince was in control of his enviroment.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Second Special Administrator's report is heavily redacted.

"Advisors did not comport themselves with the requisite care, skill and prudence called for under the circumstances.."

"The Estate has suffered considerable out of pocket expenses in the form of the fees and costs paid to

SLS and the Advisors for professional and expert services for which no value was received.

Under the circumstances, the Second Special Administrator believes it is in the best interests of

the Estate to pursue those out of pocket expenditures. To not pursue the claims, would allow

these parties to unjustly enrich themselves at the expense of the Estate."

"There is a reasonable basis for a claim against SLS, Meister Seelig, and the Advisors for

the damage to the Estate arising out of the delay in the commercial exploitation of the NPG

Masters and the Vault Masters (posthumous releases)."


Lawdy, someone had their azzes handed to them.

Now that's justice being done!

Maybe this will wake up SNJ? Also, I am positive LM has spent a good portion of his ill gotten commission.

luv4u said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This sentiment has been posted on numerous threads, numerous times since Prince died: that he had few (or no) people around him who had his back, cared about him as a human being or who were not motivated primarily by money and greed.

I don't disagree but I wonder why this was (apparently) so? Prince has also been described here as charitable, generous with his time and professional expertise to proteges, a gentle, soft-spoken, shy, somewhat vulnerable, non-violent, religious person.

WHY WAS HE SURROUNDED BY CONS, SCAMMERS AND PEOPLE JUST PASSING THROUGH? WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT LED PEOPLE TO ONLY CARE FOR HIM SUPERFICIALLY?

Can anyone explain this to me?

By being part of an 'inner circle' one has access to $$$$ and stealing belongings. It all boils down to GREED. It's not love it's the $$$. Some folks are attracted to artists with $$$$ and benefits.

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Exactly!! It's not hard to figure out why certain people hung around Prince. Follow the money.

The Judge denied SNJ's Motion to Remove Comerica.

The Judge also handed Lawnie his azz.

I will give a summary of what the Judge said in his Decision in a bit.

Rev said:

laurarichardson said:

What could he have done differently? What can anyone do? You trust people to be decent and in some cases professional.

He's not the first or last super star to end up with "YES" people around them. These people prabably suited his lifestyle and probably made him comfortable in everyday life. But, none of us no the true character of people until the poop hits the fan.

It's sad, but Prince was in control of his enviroment.

But he was not in control of people's inner emotions and intentions. If he told Apples he knew about jubalient judas he has some suspicions and once again he only had a small staff of people around.

Lonnie had been gone for a decade and it is his own sibs who are keeping LM around. Trying to get money and rent houses. Do you know Charles Smith said the SNJ tried to get Mattie's children from attending the memorial service? They only thing you can do with sibs like that is too keep them as far away as possible which is what he did. He also left them nothing but a struggle to get his money.

[Edited 12/18/17 16:55pm]

cloveringold85 said:

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Exactly!! It's not hard to figure out why certain people hung around Prince. Follow the money.

I always find these comments fascinating. Y’all realize this doesn’t make Prince look great? Also I hate when people are vague. Name names.

Why does he look bad when other people are assholes?

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Exactly!! It's not hard to figure out why certain people hung around Prince. Follow the money.

I always find these comments fascinating. Y’all realize this doesn’t make Prince look great? Also I hate when people are vague. Name names.

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It did not make Prince look bad, because he kept his distance from the greedy vultures. He knew who they were. He wasn't stupid. If we want to start listing names, we will be here all day. Just look at what's going on with his estate is all the proof you need right there!

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said: I always find these comments fascinating. Y’all realize this doesn’t make Prince look great? Also I hate when people are vague. Name names.

Why does he look bad when other people are assholes?

Because the inescapable conclusion is that he got 'played' despite writing a song that he couldn't get played; that he was a poor judge of character; that he was naive and trusting in a manner inappropriate for an adult who had lived a sophisticated, well-traveled life with access to and contact with well-educated professionals and other gifted artists (did nothing rub off?); that he was appparently a sucker for flattery and idealization, not a good look for a religious person who should have been very familiar with the seven deadly sins...and mostly because in spite of everything I've just written he could not refrain from preaching to others about their inappropriate behaviors, controlling others' behaviors when he apparently had trouble controlling his own and being downright totally unsympathetic to those struggling with addiction when he died with a house full of illegal, addictive pills. Anyone see a disconnect here?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

Why does he look bad when other people are assholes?

Because the inescapable conclusion is that he got 'played' despite writing a song that he couldn't get played; that he was a poor judge of character; that he was naive and trusting in a manner inappropriate for an adult who had lived a sophisticated, well-traveled life with access to and contact with well-educated professionals and other gifted artists (did nothing rub off?); that he was appparently a sucker for flattery and idealization, not a good look for a religious person who should have been very familiar with the seven deadly sins...and mostly because in spite of everything I've just written he could not refrain from preaching to others about their inappropriate behaviors, controlling others' behaviors when he apparently had trouble controlling his own and being downright totally unsympathetic to those struggling with addiction when he died with a house full of illegal, addictive pills. Anyone see a disconnect here?

I see a disconnect because this is an Estate Thread and you are trying to turn it into I Hate Prince Thread. So I suggest you go start a separate thread about how stupid you think P was.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Because the inescapable conclusion is that he got 'played' despite writing a song that he couldn't get played; that he was a poor judge of character; that he was naive and trusting in a manner inappropriate for an adult who had lived a sophisticated, well-traveled life with access to and contact with well-educated professionals and other gifted artists (did nothing rub off?); that he was appparently a sucker for flattery and idealization, not a good look for a religious person who should have been very familiar with the seven deadly sins...and mostly because in spite of everything I've just written he could not refrain from preaching to others about their inappropriate behaviors, controlling others' behaviors when he apparently had trouble controlling his own and being downright totally unsympathetic to those struggling with addiction when he died with a house full of illegal, addictive pills. Anyone see a disconnect here?

I see a disconnect because this is an Estate Thread and you are trying to turn it into I Hate Prince Thread. So I suggest you go start a separate thread about how stupid you think P was.

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I see a disconnect because this is an Estate Thread and you are trying to turn it into I Hate Prince Thread. So I suggest you go start a separate thread about how stupid you think P was.

Never fails!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

seems like there's some people completely void of sins in here, casting stones.

how fucking great they must feel

The following is taken from the Judge's Decision today:


SNJ alleged the following:

-Failure to Protect and Manage Assets

-Failure to Protect the Estate's Music Catalog From Unauthorized Use

-Comerica Lacks the Necessary Business Expertise

-Troy Carter Has an Inherent Conflict

-Inadequate Communication

-Failure to Aggressively Defend the UMG Contract

-Failure to Act Impartially

-Failure to Allow Partial Distributions From the Estate

-Failure to Abide by Prior Court Protocols

Comerica has meetings with the heirs 2x per month lasting approximately 2 hours. Minutes are taken and are delivered to the heirs even if they dont attend.

Comerica communicates with the heirs almost daily.

Sharon and Norrine claim in February 2017 Comerica was inappropriate and even threatening. Omarr states he was there and he didnt see any physical confrontation.

The Judge states SNJ knew the contents of the Vault were being moved.

Prior to Troy's appointment he assured the Court he would recuse himself from any conflicts regarding any dual roles he would be performing. The Judge stated the same could be said of Lawnie and Charlie when they were representing the Estate because both had their own entertainment business. The Judge said it doesnt matter because SNJ never pointed out any conflicts that occured while Troy has been assisting the Estate.

The Judge stated he wasnt going to address the UMG recission because the issue has already been decided.

Prior to P's death Tyka and Omarr were residing in houses P owned rent free which initially Bremer was following the wishes of P. SNJ raised this issue and Tyka and Omarr are now paying rent.

So then Norrine asked to rent a house owned by P. Comerica said this was not requested until AFTER the Court approved the house to be put on the market.

"It appears to the Court that the primary driving factors behind the Petition for Removal of the Personal Representative are the role of L. Londell McMillan and the refusal of Comerica to permit interim distributions to the heirs from the assets of the Estate."

The Judge states Lawnie is refusing to sign a NDA even though he entered into one with Bremer.

"It appears to the Court that Mr. McMillan, using the heir status of the Petitioners, is trying to usurp control of the Estate.

Comerica alleges Lawnie attempted to negotiate an entertainment agreement in direct competition with the Estate. Lawnie denies this but the Judge noted Lawnie's assertation is in direct conflict with the record.

The Judge found due to the lack of trust in Lawnie, his unwillingness to enter into a NDA, and the possible direct conflict with the Estate due to two voided agreements, Comerica has acted properly.

The Judge stated that since the heirs want to retain the legacy of P and not sell off the recording collection and personal property and the Estate is not liquid enough to hand out partial distributions due to taxes owed.

The Judge states "This Petition has been brought before the Court to further Petitioners (SNJ) agenda and not in the best interest of the Estate." The Judge states it has cost needless expenses to the Estate.

Judge Eide has appointed a retired Judge as a moderator/mediator. This really means he appointed a babysitter cuz he aint got time for this sheetz.

The Judge requested Comerica to submit their expenses and attorney fees in defending the Motion for Removal. He reserves the right to award attorney fees to the Estate from the Petitioners and may off-set it from any attorney fees SNJ's attorneys request in the future.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The following is taken from the Judge's Decision today:


SNJ alleged the following:

-Failure to Protect and Manage Assets

-Failure to Protect the Estate's Music Catalog From Unauthorized Use

-Comerica Lacks the Necessary Business Expertise

-Troy Carter Has an Inherent Conflict

-Inadequate Communication

-Failure to Aggressively Defend the UMG Contract

-Failure to Act Impartially

-Failure to Allow Partial Distributions From the Estate

-Failure to Abide by Prior Court Protocols

Comerica has meetings with the heirs 2x per month lasting approximately 2 hours. Minutes are taken and are delivered to the heirs even if they dont attend.

Comerica communicates with the heirs almost daily.

Sharon and Norrine claim in February 2017 Comerica was inappropriate and even threatening. Omarr states he was there and he didnt see any physical confrontation.

The Judge states SNJ knew the contents of the Vault were being moved.

Prior to Troy's appointment he assured the Court he would recuse himself from any conflicts regarding any dual roles he would be performing. The Judge stated the same could be said of Lawnie and Charlie when they were representing the Estate because both had their own entertainment business. The Judge said it doesnt matter because SNJ never pointed out any conflicts that occured while Troy has been assisting the Estate.

The Judge stated he wasnt going to address the UMG recission because the issue has already been decided.

Prior to P's death Tyka and Omarr were residing in houses P owned rent free which initially Bremer was following the wishes of P. SNJ raised this issue and Tyka and Omarr are now paying rent.

So then Norrine asked to rent a house owned by P. Comerica said this was not requested until AFTER the Court approved the house to be put on the market.

"It appears to the Court that the primary driving factors behind the Petition for Removal of the Personal Representative are the role of L. Londell McMillan and the refusal of Comerica to permit interim distributions to the heirs from the assets of the Estate."

The Judge states Lawnie is refusing to sign a NDA even though he entered into one with Bremer.

"It appears to the Court that Mr. McMillan, using the heir status of the Petitioners, is trying to usurp control of the Estate.

Comerica alleges Lawnie attempted to negotiate an entertainment agreement in direct competition with the Estate. Lawnie denies this but the Judge noted Lawnie's assertation is in direct conflict with the record.

The Judge found due to the lack of trust in Lawnie, his unwillingness to enter into a NDA, and the possible direct conflict with the Estate due to two voided agreements, Comerica has acted properly.

The Judge stated that since the heirs want to retain the legacy of P and not sell off the recording collection and personal property and the Estate is not liquid enough to hand out partial distributions due to taxes owed.

The Judge states "This Petition has been brought before the Court to further Petitioners (SNJ) agenda and not in the best interest of the Estate." The Judge states it has cost needless expenses to the Estate.

Judge Eide has appointed a retired Judge as a moderator/mediator. This really means he appointed a babysitter cuz he aint got time for this sheetz.

The Judge requested Comerica to submit their expenses and attorney fees in defending the Motion for Removal. He reserves the right to award attorney fees to the Estate from the Petitioners and may off-set it from any attorney fees SNJ's attorneys request in the future.

Thank you for writing this up!!!! I have been reading the court docs but this helps quite a bit. That shit is interesting but dryyyyy!

Sounds like certain parties have been told to knock it off

Is that the end of that or will a certain business advisor start more bs?

luv4u said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This sentiment has been posted on numerous threads, numerous times since Prince died: that he had few (or no) people around him who had his back, cared about him as a human being or who were not motivated primarily by money and greed.

I don't disagree but I wonder why this was (apparently) so? Prince has also been described here as charitable, generous with his time and professional expertise to proteges, a gentle, soft-spoken, shy, somewhat vulnerable, non-violent, religious person.

WHY WAS HE SURROUNDED BY CONS, SCAMMERS AND PEOPLE JUST PASSING THROUGH? WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT LED PEOPLE TO ONLY CARE FOR HIM SUPERFICIALLY?

Can anyone explain this to me?

By being part of an 'inner circle' one has access to $$$$ and stealing belongings. It all boils down to GREED. It's not love it's the $$$. Some folks are attracted to artists with $$$$ and benefits.

My thoughts exactly...for the love of money (cue the O'Jay's song, For the love of money...Money money money money...MONEY!).

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The following is taken from the Judge's Decision today:


SNJ alleged the following:

-Failure to Protect and Manage Assets

-Failure to Protect the Estate's Music Catalog From Unauthorized Use

-Comerica Lacks the Necessary Business Expertise

-Troy Carter Has an Inherent Conflict

-Inadequate Communication

-Failure to Aggressively Defend the UMG Contract

-Failure to Act Impartially

-Failure to Allow Partial Distributions From the Estate

-Failure to Abide by Prior Court Protocols

Comerica has meetings with the heirs 2x per month lasting approximately 2 hours. Minutes are taken and are delivered to the heirs even if they dont attend.

Comerica communicates with the heirs almost daily.

Sharon and Norrine claim in February 2017 Comerica was inappropriate and even threatening. Omarr states he was there and he didnt see any physical confrontation.

The Judge states SNJ knew the contents of the Vault were being moved.

Prior to Troy's appointment he assured the Court he would recuse himself from any conflicts regarding any dual roles he would be performing. The Judge stated the same could be said of Lawnie and Charlie when they were representing the Estate because both had their own entertainment business. The Judge said it doesnt matter because SNJ never pointed out any conflicts that occured while Troy has been assisting the Estate.

The Judge stated he wasnt going to address the UMG recission because the issue has already been decided.

Prior to P's death Tyka and Omarr were residing in houses P owned rent free which initially Bremer was following the wishes of P. SNJ raised this issue and Tyka and Omarr are now paying rent.

So then Norrine asked to rent a house owned by P. Comerica said this was not requested until AFTER the Court approved the house to be put on the market.

"It appears to the Court that the primary driving factors behind the Petition for Removal of the Personal Representative are the role of L. Londell McMillan and the refusal of Comerica to permit interim distributions to the heirs from the assets of the Estate."

The Judge states Lawnie is refusing to sign a NDA even though he entered into one with Bremer.

"It appears to the Court that Mr. McMillan, using the heir status of the Petitioners, is trying to usurp control of the Estate.

Comerica alleges Lawnie attempted to negotiate an entertainment agreement in direct competition with the Estate. Lawnie denies this but the Judge noted Lawnie's assertation is in direct conflict with the record.

The Judge found due to the lack of trust in Lawnie, his unwillingness to enter into a NDA, and the possible direct conflict with the Estate due to two voided agreements, Comerica has acted properly.

The Judge stated that since the heirs want to retain the legacy of P and not sell off the recording collection and personal property and the Estate is not liquid enough to hand out partial distributions due to taxes owed.

The Judge states "This Petition has been brought before the Court to further Petitioners (SNJ) agenda and not in the best interest of the Estate." The Judge states it has cost needless expenses to the Estate.

Judge Eide has appointed a retired Judge as a moderator/mediator. This really means he appointed a babysitter cuz he aint got time for this sheetz.

The Judge requested Comerica to submit their expenses and attorney fees in defending the Motion for Removal. He reserves the right to award attorney fees to the Estate from the Petitioners and may off-set it from any attorney fees SNJ's attorneys request in the future.

Thank you for writing this up!!!! I have been reading the court docs but this helps quite a bit. That shit is interesting but dryyyyy!

Sounds like certain parties have been told to knock it off

Is that the end of that or will a certain business advisor start more bs?

Maybe the Equilizer can answer that question.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Mumio said:

Thank you for writing this up!!!! I have been reading the court docs but this helps quite a bit. That shit is interesting but dryyyyy!

Sounds like certain parties have been told to knock it off

Is that the end of that or will a certain business advisor start more bs?

Maybe the Equilizer can answer that question.

Shouldn't be long now.....

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The following is taken from the Judge's Decision today:


SNJ alleged the following:

-Failure to Protect and Manage Assets

-Failure to Protect the Estate's Music Catalog From Unauthorized Use

-Comerica Lacks the Necessary Business Expertise

-Troy Carter Has an Inherent Conflict

-Inadequate Communication

-Failure to Aggressively Defend the UMG Contract

-Failure to Act Impartially

-Failure to Allow Partial Distributions From the Estate

-Failure to Abide by Prior Court Protocols

Comerica has meetings with the heirs 2x per month lasting approximately 2 hours. Minutes are taken and are delivered to the heirs even if they dont attend.

Comerica communicates with the heirs almost daily.

Sharon and Norrine claim in February 2017 Comerica was inappropriate and even threatening. Omarr states he was there and he didnt see any physical confrontation.

The Judge states SNJ knew the contents of the Vault were being moved.

Prior to Troy's appointment he assured the Court he would recuse himself from any conflicts regarding any dual roles he would be performing. The Judge stated the same could be said of Lawnie and Charlie when they were representing the Estate because both had their own entertainment business. The Judge said it doesnt matter because SNJ never pointed out any conflicts that occured while Troy has been assisting the Estate.

The Judge stated he wasnt going to address the UMG recission because the issue has already been decided.

Prior to P's death Tyka and Omarr were residing in houses P owned rent free which initially Bremer was following the wishes of P. SNJ raised this issue and Tyka and Omarr are now paying rent.

So then Norrine asked to rent a house owned by P. Comerica said this was not requested until AFTER the Court approved the house to be put on the market.

"It appears to the Court that the primary driving factors behind the Petition for Removal of the Personal Representative are the role of L. Londell McMillan and the refusal of Comerica to permit interim distributions to the heirs from the assets of the Estate."

The Judge states Lawnie is refusing to sign a NDA even though he entered into one with Bremer.

"It appears to the Court that Mr. McMillan, using the heir status of the Petitioners, is trying to usurp control of the Estate.

Comerica alleges Lawnie attempted to negotiate an entertainment agreement in direct competition with the Estate. Lawnie denies this but the Judge noted Lawnie's assertation is in direct conflict with the record.

The Judge found due to the lack of trust in Lawnie, his unwillingness to enter into a NDA, and the possible direct conflict with the Estate due to two voided agreements, Comerica has acted properly.

The Judge stated that since the heirs want to retain the legacy of P and not sell off the recording collection and personal property and the Estate is not liquid enough to hand out partial distributions due to taxes owed.

The Judge states "This Petition has been brought before the Court to further Petitioners (SNJ) agenda and not in the best interest of the Estate." The Judge states it has cost needless expenses to the Estate.

Judge Eide has appointed a retired Judge as a moderator/mediator. This really means he appointed a babysitter cuz he aint got time for this sheetz.

The Judge requested Comerica to submit their expenses and attorney fees in defending the Motion for Removal. He reserves the right to award attorney fees to the Estate from the Petitioners and may off-set it from any attorney fees SNJ's attorneys request in the future.

Why did it take the Court so damn long to call out/expose Londell?!?!