laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I've never been called a "shasty" attorney before.

I kinda like it.

Not you but what is your professional opinon about the SNJ attorneys. Did they not realize that this type of stuff is going to irritate the judge? Why are that not advising the clients to attend the meetings and if need be find a business consultant that really wants to work.

Good lord there must thousands of entertainment attorneys and firm they could consult with.

Well lets face it, the SNJ attorneys have difficult clients.

You counsel your clients about what the outcome may or may not be in regard to what they are requesting/demanding.

But if you have an "advisor" telling your clients the opposite of what you have advised them then it is very difficult to control an already out of control client.

There is a Code of Professional Responsibility that states an attorney must abide by a client's decisions.

Which means the client is the boss.

This is probably why Judge Eide said 'The Court strongly condemns bringing this matter before the Court without adequate discussion between the parties and will sanction a party for doing so in the future."

The Judge did not say he would sanction the attorney but the party.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Not you but what is your professional opinon about the SNJ attorneys. Did they not realize that this type of stuff is going to irritate the judge? Why are that not advising the clients to attend the meetings and if need be find a business consultant that really wants to work.

Good lord there must thousands of entertainment attorneys and firm they could consult with.

Well lets face it, the SNJ attorneys have difficult clients.

You counsel your clients about what the outcome may or may not be in regard to what they are requesting/demanding.

But if you have an "advisor" telling your clients the opposite of what you have advised them then it is very difficult to control an already out of control client.

There is a Code of Professional Responsibility that states an attorney must abide by a client's decisions.

Which means the client is the boss.

This is probably why Judge Eide said 'The Court strongly condemns bringing this matter before the Court without adequate discussion between the parties and will sanction a party for doing so in the future."

The Judge did not say he would sanction the attorney but the party.

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Silvertongue7 said:

Hi,
Apologies in advance, as I would probably find the answer to my question if I read through this thread, but it is a little bit too long and there’s too much going on, so hopefully someone who is a bit more up to date can help.
I keep reading about documentaries and where the vault music should be kept, but as far as I know there’s no news about a new deal to release the music? Is this so? Are there any rumours, or does anyone know if any companies have shown any interest after the Universal debacle? That happened a while ago now, so I’d love to know if there’s been any developments since.
Apologies again

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Well lets face it, the SNJ attorneys have difficult clients.

You counsel your clients about what the outcome may or may not be in regard to what they are requesting/demanding.

But if you have an "advisor" telling your clients the opposite of what you have advised them then it is very difficult to control an already out of control client.

There is a Code of Professional Responsibility that states an attorney must abide by a client's decisions.

Which means the client is the boss.

This is probably why Judge Eide said 'The Court strongly condemns bringing this matter before the Court without adequate discussion between the parties and will sanction a party for doing so in the future."

The Judge did not say he would sanction the attorney but the party.

Oh so the judge is going to put it on SNJ?

It appears to be that way.

He didnt say sanction attorneys and parties.

As we know in the past the Judge has sanctioned a couple attorneys monetarily.

laurarichardson said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Hi,
Apologies in advance, as I would probably find the answer to my question if I read through this thread, but it is a little bit too long and there’s too much going on, so hopefully someone who is a bit more up to date can help.
I keep reading about documentaries and where the vault music should be kept, but as far as I know there’s no news about a new deal to release the music? Is this so? Are there any rumours, or does anyone know if any companies have shown any interest after the Universal debacle? That happened a while ago now, so I’d love to know if there’s been any developments since.
Apologies again

The deal with WB has not expired but a whole new crew of people are coming on board at WB so maybe something will in 2018.

Silvertongue7 said:

laurarichardson said:

The deal with WB has not expired but a whole new crew of people are coming on board at WB so maybe something will in 2018.

So still nothing new then? Oh well... Thank you, Laura.

On a FB fan page yesterday, someone claimed that there are two complete Prince and the Revolution albums that are done and mastered! How's that for a rumor I hope it's true

Rev said:

Silvertongue7 said:

laurarichardson said: So still nothing new then? Oh well... Thank you, Laura.

On a FB fan page yesterday, someone claimed that there are two complete Prince and the Revolution albums that are done and mastered! How's that for a rumor I hope it's true

I hope this is not true because it would be WB just milking the PR/Revolution era. I think 1999 and SOTT deserve deluxe treatment and I cannot understand why SOTT is treated with so much disrespect by WB.

laurarichardson said:

Rev said:

On a FB fan page yesterday, someone claimed that there are two complete Prince and the Revolution albums that are done and mastered! How's that for a rumor I hope it's true

I hope this is not true because it would be WB just milking the PR/Revolution era. I think 1999 and SOTT deserve deluxe treatment and I cannot understand why SOTT is treated with so much disrespect by WB.

PR era is the most recognizable to general public. For us, I'm afraid that WB will do what they wanted to with Prince and put out one project a year. That would suck.

Rev said:

laurarichardson said:

I hope this is not true because it would be WB just milking the PR/Revolution era. I think 1999 and SOTT deserve deluxe treatment and I cannot understand why SOTT is treated with so much disrespect by WB.

PR era is the most recognizable to general public. For us, I'm afraid that WB will do what they wanted to with Prince and put out one project a year. That would suck.

I have nothing against them putting out one project a year but they are wasting time as I am sure the WB contract has an end date. We know from media reports from the WSJ that WB has lifetime licensing for the soundtracks so why not do something with the albums they are not going to have access to forver first.

I hope we are not getting a PR/Remaster part 2 or 3.

Rev said:

rogifan said:

When does the Estate get control over all the WB stuff? Or can it only ever be released by WB?

According to the press and little bit out of the court docs.

Each Album that was licensed to WB had different terms and the soundtracks are licensed out forever.

Keep in my the estate owns the masters and publishing and WB is just doing the distrubution.

Cameron Stang who was the CEO was let go and new people are coming in January. So we will see.

thanks for the deets...interesting reading! What a cast of characters...somebody please make a movie! LOL!!! from the guy who claims Prince owes him $1 billion to the lady who spells out the details of her encounter with him...this is all crazy!

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

According to the press and little bit out of the court docs.

Each Album that was licensed to WB had different terms and the soundtracks are licensed out forever.

Keep in my the estate owns the masters and publishing and WB is just doing the distrubution.

Cameron Stang who was the CEO was let go and new people are coming in January. So we will see.

So who decides what gets remastered and released? The Estate or WB?

I believe they have to work together. The estate owns everything and WB just has a license to distrube the music. I am sure that some portion of this deal has an end date and perhaps the estate can find another company to distrubute or do it themselves. If the soundtracks are licensed forever then the estate will be working with WB forever on releashes also remember WB has their own vault of Prince's music so maybe they can work something out to put be some of that stuff out.

I just saw this on Dr. Funkenberry's FB:: A ruling on the UMG deal with the #PRINCE estate after an investigation. Someone owes some money back... http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-15-17.pdf

rubymoon53 said:

I just saw this on Dr. Funkenberry's FB:: A ruling on the UMG deal with the #PRINCE estate after an investigation. Someone owes some money back... http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-15-17.pdf

Forshure

The Second Special Administrator's report is heavily redacted.

"Advisors did not comport themselves with the requisite care, skill and prudence called for under the circumstances.."

"The Estate has suffered considerable out of pocket expenses in the form of the fees and costs paid to

SLS and the Advisors for professional and expert services for which no value was received.

Under the circumstances, the Second Special Administrator believes it is in the best interests of

the Estate to pursue those out of pocket expenditures. To not pursue the claims, would allow

these parties to unjustly enrich themselves at the expense of the Estate."

"There is a reasonable basis for a claim against SLS, Meister Seelig, and the Advisors for

the damage to the Estate arising out of the delay in the commercial exploitation of the NPG

Masters and the Vault Masters (posthumous releases)."


Lawdy, someone had their azzes handed to them.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Second Special Administrator's report is heavily redacted.

"Advisors did not comport themselves with the requisite care, skill and prudence called for under the circumstances.."

"The Estate has suffered considerable out of pocket expenses in the form of the fees and costs paid to

SLS and the Advisors for professional and expert services for which no value was received.

Under the circumstances, the Second Special Administrator believes it is in the best interests of

the Estate to pursue those out of pocket expenditures. To not pursue the claims, would allow

these parties to unjustly enrich themselves at the expense of the Estate."

"There is a reasonable basis for a claim against SLS, Meister Seelig, and the Advisors for

the damage to the Estate arising out of the delay in the commercial exploitation of the NPG

Masters and the Vault Masters (posthumous releases)."


Lawdy, someone had their azzes handed to them.

but how interesting would all these documents be if they weren't redacted

all that information about those deals such fascinating stuff. but it's all
redacted into oblivion. although, here and there, a few tidbits can be deduced
if one reads attentively.

best of all though is some of these people getting their ass handed to them

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Second Special Administrator's report is heavily redacted.

"Advisors did not comport themselves with the requisite care, skill and prudence called for under the circumstances.."

"The Estate has suffered considerable out of pocket expenses in the form of the fees and costs paid to

SLS and the Advisors for professional and expert services for which no value was received.

Under the circumstances, the Second Special Administrator believes it is in the best interests of

the Estate to pursue those out of pocket expenditures. To not pursue the claims, would allow

these parties to unjustly enrich themselves at the expense of the Estate."

"There is a reasonable basis for a claim against SLS, Meister Seelig, and the Advisors for

the damage to the Estate arising out of the delay in the commercial exploitation of the NPG

Masters and the Vault Masters (posthumous releases)."


Lawdy, someone had their azzes handed to them.

Long time coming!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

"There is a reasonable basis for a claim against SLS, Meister Seelig, and the Advisors for

the damage to the Estate arising out of the delay in the commercial exploitation of the NPG

Masters and the Vault Masters (posthumous releases)."

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I count the days...

OperatingThetan said:

Further press regarding Londell and co being forced to return their 10% fee: https://www.billboard.com...-deal-with

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Very interesting!

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"it makes no sense to conclude that the Estate has received anything of value that would entitle the Advisors to a commission."

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Furthermore I think taht it does not matter that UMG did not ask about the 2014 deal but that they received a `situation` where that deal conflicts in certain ways or at least it cannot be ruled out that it does not conflict.

Or is there a line in the failed deal's papers that says: UMG buys these rights knowing that there might be a conflict with a prior deal with WB?

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Long time coming!

All they had to do was speak to Rhonda Trotter to find out the details of the WB deals. They just wanted to rip off the estate and the best Why to do it was to try and void the deals Prince had in place. They are crooks.

it is absolutely baffling though that they would think they could get away with it

These clowns are so amusing!! I can hear Prince laughing at all of this. God works in mysterious ways.

IstenSzek said: