FlyOnTheWall said:

Some people might think my comments will constitute blasphemy, but here goes: Minnesota is not the entertainment capital of the world. It does not have the facilities to handle Prince's work product. I don't care that he lived there. I don't care that Paisley Park has a mythic status among the hardcore fans. Prince did not maintain his work product in the most up-to-date manner; who knows what was lost in the non-climate controlled, non-secure space or spaces at Paisley Park? Comerica has to protect the estate and make money for it. Period. End of story. If you think this is terrible - moving to Iron Mountain - what do you think is going to happen to the memorabilia he left behind? Who or what is going to maintain all of that for 10, 20, 30 or more years? Who or what is going to pay the bills? This is only the beginning. Do you really think his family is going to keep a hundred plus guitars, dozens of drum kits, thousands of pairs of shoes, clothing, etc., in storage forever? The reality is they won't be able to afford it, let alone agree on how to handle it. So they may sell some of it, or donate it to the Smithsonian or a local museum, or have a charity auction to raise funds for whatever cause they choose. Who knows? Iron Mountain is a good start in my opinion, but don't be surprised at what is coming down the road next.

Any nothousequake yet?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

1Sasha said:

Some people might think my comments will constitute blasphemy, but here goes: Minnesota is not the entertainment capital of the world. It does not have the facilities to handle Prince's work product. I don't care that he lived there. I don't care that Paisley Park has a mythic status among the hardcore fans. Prince did not maintain his work product in the most up-to-date manner; who knows what was lost in the non-climate controlled, non-secure space or spaces at Paisley Park? Comerica has to protect the estate and make money for it. Period. End of story. If you think this is terrible - moving to Iron Mountain - what do you think is going to happen to the memorabilia he left behind? Who or what is going to maintain all of that for 10, 20, 30 or more years? Who or what is going to pay the bills? This is only the beginning. Do you really think his family is going to keep a hundred plus guitars, dozens of drum kits, thousands of pairs of shoes, clothing, etc., in storage forever? The reality is they won't be able to afford it, let alone agree on how to handle it. So they may sell some of it, or donate it to the Smithsonian or a local museum, or have a charity auction to raise funds for whatever cause they choose. Who knows? Iron Mountain is a good start in my opinion, but don't be surprised at what is coming down the road next.

Agree but I think from what engineers who worked for Prince have said the vault was climate controlled at some point. Either the equiptment broke or they are speaking about tapes that were stored outside the vault in other areas of Paisley Park and in his storgae bins.

I doubt all of the material is damaged or the time and money would not have been spent to move it.

What we do know is that the family has a treasure trove of material that they are going to be able to make money off of for many generations if they do not fuck it up with foolishness or sell everything.

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Without even reading the docs, I know that the restoration/digitization process is a necessary and good thing. I have never questioned that. I just wish it was not happening in California.

—Well the entertainment industry is based in California and movie studios trust Iron Mountain do I am sure it will be fine.

I read both affidavits. It confirmed that Iron Mountain has state of the art facilities. It also confirmed that they offer digitization services in NJ and PA; "however, neither of these locations have a private vault that is in the same physical proximity to the digital studios as in Hollywood."

Notwithstanding this, I hope they will soon give a similar affidavit with a proposed timeline for doing the actual restoration and digitization. And, more than that, I'm hopeful that all the experts are wrong about the "Big One" hitting California soon. Whatever the case, I'm hoping for the best.

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said: —Well the entertainment industry is based in California and movie studios trust Iron Mountain do I am sure it will be fine.

I read both affidavits. It confirmed that Iron Mountain has state of the art facilities. It also confirmed that they offer digitization services in NJ and PA; "however, neither of these locations have a private vault that is in the same physical proximity to the digital studios as in Hollywood."

Notwithstanding this, I hope they will soon give a similar affidavit with a proposed timeline for doing the actual restoration and digitization. And, more than that, I'm hopeful that all the experts are wrong about the "Big One" hitting California soon. Whatever the case, I'm hoping for the best.

They have to give timelines and reports to the hiers and the courts.

rogifan said:

Tens of millions of people live in California. I think the vault material will be fine.

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Whahahaha!

Forgot about:

Fukushima?

Tchernobyl?

Three mile island?

Pompei?

etc

etc

etc

Those events were in fairly well inhabited areas while the people could have known of some risks involved.

What the masses do is therefor no guarantee for the safety of anything in such situations.

udo said:

rogifan said:

Tens of millions of people live in California. I think the vault material will be fine.

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Whahahaha!

Forgot about:

Fukushima?

Tchernobyl?

Three mile island?

Pompei?

etc

etc

etc

Those events were in fairly well inhabited areas while the people could have known of some risks involved.

What the masses do is therefor no guarantee for the safety of anything in such situations.

So what. If the big quake comes and knocks California into the Pacific we have more important things to worry about then some tapes. I honestly wonder sometimes about the thought process.

What if Prince had lived to be in his 80s or 90s, and after April 2016 never released another new song. What if he had decided to never release anything from the vault. What would you have done then? So really, if California sinks into the ocean, you will still have what he gave us to date. There are plenty of masterpieces from various artistic endeavors which have been lost over the centuries. We are poorer for having lost them, but we are richer for the artists having lived and shared with us their other treasures.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Whahahaha!

Forgot about:

Fukushima?

Tchernobyl?

Three mile island?

Pompei?

etc

etc

etc

Those events were in fairly well inhabited areas while the people could have known of some risks involved.

What the masses do is therefor no guarantee for the safety of anything in such situations.

So what. If the big quake comes and knocks California into the Pacific we have more important things to worry about then some tapes. I honestly wonder sometimes about the thought process.

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The history of man does not take into account the souls of the masses but the various things from the mundane to the epic that remain preserved well enough.

That has nothing to do with a thought process but the contents of the process.

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

So what. If the big quake comes and knocks California into the Pacific we have more important things to worry about then some tapes. I honestly wonder sometimes about the thought process.

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The history of man does not take into account the souls of the masses but the various things from the mundane to the epic that remain preserved well enough.

That has nothing to do with a thought process but the contents of the process.

So the end result is never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe? I think if movie studios have their vaults in California and are good with it. I think they same will work for Prince.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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The history of man does not take into account the souls of the masses but the various things from the mundane to the epic that remain preserved well enough.

That has nothing to do with a thought process but the contents of the process.

So the end result is never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe? I think if movie studios have their vaults in California and are good with it. I think they same will work for Prince.

well his music IS worth more than some humans...

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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The history of man does not take into account the souls of the masses but the various things from the mundane to the epic that remain preserved well enough.

That has nothing to do with a thought process but the contents of the process.

So the end result is never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe? I think if movie studios have their vaults in California and are good with it. I think they same will work for Prince.

No one said, "Never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe." Some of us are just pointing out that because of the high likelihood of catastrophic natural disasters in California, perhaps another geographic location would have been better for the storage of the contents of Prince's Vault. That is all.

How do you get to "never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake" from that observation?? Sheesh. I wish we could keep the discussion rational.

Such a big fuss over this, I just don't get it. You have no idea what you are missing and you may not be missing much at all, but some attempts are being made to deal with the vault material. Y'all have NO SAY in this, that is the bottom line. Whatever happens will STILL happen no matter how much fretting, bitching, or complaining is done about it.

Does everyone worry about their own personal affairs/business with such fervor? Sure hope so.

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

So the end result is never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe? I think if movie studios have their vaults in California and are good with it. I think they same will work for Prince.

No one said, "Never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe." Some of us are just pointing out that because of the high likelihood of catastrophic natural disasters in California, perhaps another geographic location would have been better for the storage of the contents of Prince's Vault. That is all.

How do you get to "never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake" from that observation?? Sheesh. I wish we could keep the discussion rational.

I was responding or trying to respond to Udo.

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

No one said, "Never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake just make sure the tapes are safe." Some of us are just pointing out that because of the high likelihood of catastrophic natural disasters in California, perhaps another geographic location would have been better for the storage of the contents of Prince's Vault. That is all.

How do you get to "never mind the people and destruction of an earthquake" from that observation?? Sheesh. I wish we could keep the discussion rational.

I was responding or trying to respond to Udo.

Thanks!!

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Such a big fuss over this, I just don't get it. You have no idea what you are missing and you may not be missing much at all, but some attempts are being made to deal with the vault material. Y'all have NO SAY in this, that is the bottom line. Whatever happens will STILL happen no matter how much fretting, bitching, or complaining is done about it.

Does everyone worry about their own personal affairs/business with such fervor? Sure hope so.

I think for allot of fans the Vault offers the chance to hear new Prince material, like he is still around making music, something after his death we sadly miss.

I am just cautious on the quality of allot of the music and the state of the recordings, allot has been made on the mythic nature of the vault and how there are thousands of amazing songs waiting to be released.

ecnirp98 said:

Mumio said:

Such a big fuss over this, I just don't get it. You have no idea what you are missing and you may not be missing much at all, but some attempts are being made to deal with the vault material. Y'all have NO SAY in this, that is the bottom line. Whatever happens will STILL happen no matter how much fretting, bitching, or complaining is done about it.

Does everyone worry about their own personal affairs/business with such fervor? Sure hope so.

I think for allot of fans the Vault offers the chance to hear new Prince material, like he is still around making music, something after his death we sadly miss.

I am just cautious on the quality of allot of the music and the state of the recordings, allot has been made on the mythic nature of the vault and how there are thousands of amazing songs waiting to be released.

Have no expectations then there is no disappointment.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Whahahaha!

Forgot about:

Fukushima?

Tchernobyl?

Three mile island?

Pompei?

etc

etc

etc

Those events were in fairly well inhabited areas while the people could have known of some risks involved.

What the masses do is therefor no guarantee for the safety of anything in such situations.

So what. If the big quake comes and knocks California into the Pacific we have more important things to worry about then some tapes. I honestly wonder sometimes about the thought process.

You make my point, Laura. Prince's Vault will be the last thing on the minds of first responders in the event The Big One hits. All the more reason it shouldn't be stored there in the first place with that probability on the horizon. Notice I said "that probability," not possibility.

Just remember, according to Prince, there are several vaults.

Prince’s Vault Suffered From ‘Water Damage, Mold, Degradation,’ at Paisley Park, Court Documents Say

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/princes-vault-suffered-from-water-damage-mold-degradation-at-paisley-park-court-documents-say-1202614267/

McMillan added: “I have no further comment at this time other than to say, the Nelson heirs look forward to a respectful and professional resolution. False claims asserted by Comerica and/or their advisors will be proven soon.”

udo said:

rogifan said:

I don’t understand why fans think we deserve this information. Why is that any of our business? We’re not heirs or advisors to the estate. Comerica doesn’t owe us this information.

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Comerica is in it for the money.

They are not a music company or a company with a heart for music.

The music P made was intended for them fans.

This production stopped once he died.

So whatever is left (not any longer in but) from the vault should provide us with that material.

When looking at all them studio sessions, live shows, albums, outtakes, etc, etc we gather that there is an enormous amount of music waiting to be released.

From history we know that record companies and the like do not understand a market correctly.

Today we are the market.

We know Prince. We love Prince. We need Prince.

Do they understand that in 50 years time most of us will be dead or at least less interested in his music?

Do they understand that they should release most of his music now and in the next decade to reach the interested public?

Do they understand that monetization gets harder as time goes by?

That is why we need to know.

They just need to tell us what they are aiming for, e.g. new music in mid 2018, while explaining their progress in restoring and catalogueing tapes (`we have processed xx kilos of xx tonnes`)

Because if we sit back we will not hear most of that material, ever.

KUDO's 2 UDO he's onto something! I mean we can't even get an out of print re-release of post 96 stuff, let alone unreleased or new material. In the words of the Mighty Mighty O'Jays, "You Got To Give The People, Give The People What They Want Now!"

http://variety.com/2017/b...202614267/

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Not shocking at all.

It shows the lack of care for his 'children'.

So as always, do not pay attention to what one says, but pay attention to what one does.

`Evidence of water intrusion on walls and ceilings in the vault and elsewhere` points to lack of care for the building as well and thus lack of self-esteem, total mismanagement, etc.

In this light I can understand the move to a different location and I do hope they can salvage most of the materials.

rap said:

McMillan added: “I have no further comment at this time other than to say, the Nelson heirs look forward to a respectful and professional resolution. False claims asserted by Comerica and/or their advisors will be proven soon.”

Pfffft

rap said:

Just remember, according to Prince, there are several vaults.

One is secretely orbiting on a SSD drive aboard the russian station MIR.

bonatoc said:

rap said:

Just remember, according to Prince, there are several vaults.

One is secretely orbiting on a SSD drive aboard the russian station MIR.

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FYI: MIR (was) deorbited a while ago.

udo said:

http://variety.com/2017/b...202614267/

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Not shocking at all.

It shows the lack of care for his 'children'.

So as always, do not pay attention to what one says, but pay attention to what one does.

`Evidence of water intrusion on walls and ceilings in the vault and elsewhere` points to lack of care for the building as well and thus lack of self-esteem, total mismanagement, etc.

In this light I can understand the move to a different location and I do hope they can salvage most of the materials.

He said on the view. 'that someone would put out the music but it will not be me" Was that not clear enough. Also nowhere in the papers does it say all of the music was damaged. It referenced music in offices and storage spaces. Remember many engineers said the vault was climate controlled but I bet no one paid that vault any mine in the year and a half since Prince has died. Climate control could have gone bad in that time alone.

Also from what I am reading leaking roofs from snow cover is not that unusual for Minnesota.

The media is taking one aspect out of 100s of pages of documents and blowing it up as usual. I know 20k worth of material was not hauled out and all was damaged.