rogifan said:

Mumio said:

New court documents show they want to sell the Galpin property...maybe there will be some left after the next tax installment to pay Iron Mountain something too

Well if it’s the property where he had the yellow house those parcels are worth $13-$15M (maybe bore now). That must be some tax bill. Unless there are Paisley Park expenses that they’re not able to cover from museum ticket sale revenues?

No idea on their worth. The dollar amounts were redacted.

SquirrelMeat said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Sounds like you would know whether or not the L.A. facility would have more music-related services than St. Paul...

Afraid not. I use their UK service for mass storage, and some digitisation in Paris and Hanover. None of it is music related.

When I looked up the Minnesota sources, they didn't seem to be music-related either... L.A. would make sense if they have resources not available to facilities local to Paisley Park that are music-related. And, no, the current wild fires are in Nor-Cal, not So-Cal. This is unprecedented in the Nor-Cal area.... :cough: Global warming...

This is a no-brainer, and I highly doubt that the family wasn't apprived of the move. Paisley Park is the home for the music, no doubt, but reality is that his music is a valuable commodity. Sitting in a vault with no real provisions for the storage of such items is not the best move. Having a vault is nice, but I doubt that it was made for long-term, optimal storage it so that the recordings remain in optimum condition. Didn't Susan Rogers say that she hoped they were stored somewhere else so that they wouldn't degrade? Iron Mountain is called Iron Mountain for a reason. The recordings will be stored in a way so that they last as long as possible, which is what we all want.

TheEnglishGent said:

djThunderfunk said:

Sad the music is not longer home, very happy it is secured.

Agree with this.

From a romantic point of view, the music should stay at Paisley. But it sounds like it's gone to the best place possible in terms of preservation. At the very least, the name of the place is fully appropriate and sounds like a proper vault.

Indeed, but the romantic point of view is not the best point of view.

purplethunder3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Afraid not. I use their UK service for mass storage, and some digitisation in Paris and Hanover. None of it is music related.

When I looked up the Minnesota sources, they didn't seem to be music-related either... L.A. would make sense if they have resources not available to facilities local to Paisley Park that are music-related. And, no, the current wild fires are in Nor-Cal, not So-Cal. This is unprecedented in the Nor-Cal area.... :cough: Global warming...

Forget the fires, isn't a major earthquake long over due?

Mumio said:

SquirrelMeat said:

purplethunder3121 said:

When I looked up the Minnesota sources, they didn't seem to be music-related either... L.A. would make sense if they have resources not available to facilities local to Paisley Park that are music-related. And, no, the current wild fires are in Nor-Cal, not So-Cal. This is unprecedented in the Nor-Cal area.... :cough: Global warming...

Forget the fires, isn't a major earthquake long over due?

Well, the last Big One was in 1989, so I guess it is long over due... LOL

Mumio said:

rogifan said:

purplethunder3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Afraid not. I use their UK service for mass storage, and some digitisation in Paris and Hanover. None of it is music related.

When I looked up the Minnesota sources, they didn't seem to be music-related either... L.A. would make sense if they have resources not available to facilities local to Paisley Park that are music-related. And, no, the current wild fires are in Nor-Cal, not So-Cal. This is unprecedented in the Nor-Cal area.... :cough: Global warming...

I agree. I understand why the tapes and masters have been moved to a climate controlled facility. I just don't think they needed to move them all the way to Cali, as the hazard risk is extremely high in that state. There are almost perennial wildfires in Southern California, not to mention the likelihood of major earthquakes.

That notwithstanding, from all indications, they have chosen a data imaging and storage operation that is a leader in the field. According to its website, "Iron Mountain boasts an unrivaled infrastructure that includes more than 1,000 facilities, 10 data centers, and 3,500 vehicles in over 35 countries." It seems that there are numerous facilities in the state of Minnesota, including Minneapolis, St. Paul, Duluth, and Bloomington. I don't know if the LA facility offers unique services, or what, but it would have been nice to have Prince's music housed and digitized there in his beloved home state.

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maceoparker007 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplethunder3121 said:

When I looked up the Minnesota sources, they didn't seem to be music-related either... L.A. would make sense if they have resources not available to facilities local to Paisley Park that are music-related. And, no, the current wild fires are in Nor-Cal, not So-Cal. This is unprecedented in the Nor-Cal area.... :cough: Global warming...

I agree. I understand why the tapes and masters have been moved to a climate controlled facility. I just don't think they needed to move them all the way to Cali, as the hazard risk is extremely high in that state. There are almost perennial wildfires in Southern California, not to mention the likelihood of major earthquakes.

That notwithstanding, from all indications, they have chosen a data imaging and storage operation that is a leader in the field. According to its website, "Iron Mountain boasts an unrivaled infrastructure that includes more than 1,000 facilities, 10 data centers, and 3,500 vehicles in over 35 countries." It seems that there are numerous facilities in the state of Minnesota, including Minneapolis, St. Paul, Duluth, and Bloomington. I don't know if the LA facility offers unique services, or what, but it would have been nice to have Prince's music housed and digitized there in his beloved home state.

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I don't know but I think the facility in L.A. is the best one for music preservation. It makes sense; I could be wrong, of course...

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

rogifan said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I agree. I understand why the tapes and masters have been moved to a climate controlled facility. I just don't think they needed to move them all the way to Cali, as the hazard risk is extremely high in that state. There are almost perennial wildfires in Southern California, not to mention the likelihood of major earthquakes.

That notwithstanding, from all indications, they have chosen a data imaging and storage operation that is a leader in the field. According to its website, "Iron Mountain boasts an unrivaled infrastructure that includes more than 1,000 facilities, 10 data centers, and 3,500 vehicles in over 35 countries." It seems that there are numerous facilities in the state of Minnesota, including Minneapolis, St. Paul, Duluth, and Bloomington. I don't know if the LA facility offers unique services, or what, but it would have been nice to have Prince's music housed and digitized there in his beloved home state.

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I trust Dave Hampton who says this was the right thing to do. I’m going to assume they wouldn’t have moved this stuff to California if there was a suitable facility in Minnesota. Comerica seems to have their crap together.

To be sure, they are very highly regarded. The company even stores the original recordings of Frank Sinatra and master recordings from Sony Music Entertainment. But, they have had their share of problems.

I found this bit of disturbing information during just a cursory Google search. Particularly, their Wikipedia page ends with a troublesome "Data Losses" section that details numerous fires at their facilities:

The company has received media attention for losing or misplacing customer files and data, particularly tapes containing private information such as home addresses and Social Security numbers. In 1997 a mysterious fire destroyed a warehouse just off the New Jersey Turnpike (USA) at Exit 8, full of corporate documents. This was two days after a smaller blaze damaged another warehouse several hundred feet away. Both buildings are owned by Iron Mountain Inc.

In May 2005, Time Warner disclosed that a container of 40 unencrypted backup tapes containing the personal information of 600,000 current and former employees had disappeared while being transported in an Iron Mountain van that made 18 other stops in Manhattan that day. After the loss, Time Warner began encrypting its tapes, and Iron Mountain advised its other clients to do the same. A year later, tapes containing personal information for about 17,000 Long Island Rail Road employees were lost while in transit to the railroad's office, along with tapes belonging to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs being shipped in the same vehicle.

In July 2006, a fire completely destroyed a leased six-story company warehouse in London. The paper records of 600 customers, including client files stored by several prominent London law firms, were lost. Also destroyed were the medical records of up to 240,000 patients of Chelsea and Westminster Hospital. The London Fire Brigade later concluded that the fire was caused by arson. One day earlier, a smaller fire believed to have been caused by contractors making roof repairs damaged a company warehouse in Ottawa, Canada.

In August 2007, the company began retrofitting its unmarked vans and trucks with a new security and alarm system using chain of custody technology to reduce the exposure of customer data to possible loss. Among other security features, the system uses radio frequency authentication and real-time tracking capabilities to help prevent "mysterious disappearances" of tapes, or their actual removal from the vehicle, during transit.

A large fire struck Iron Mountain’s document storage warehouse and headquarters in Aprilia, Italy late on Friday November 4, 2011. According to news reports, the entire building was enveloped in flames causing substantial damage to the building and, presumably, to the documents and digital content stored there. Approximately 40 employees worked in the facility but nobody was injured.

On February 5, 2014, an intentional fire completely burned down the company's Buenos Aires warehouse. At least nine firefighters died in the incident while seven others were severely injured.

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What is Paisley Park made out of? I'm sure Prince had it built out of something that was fire proof (especially for the recordings in the vault). I just wonder what Prince would think about moving ALL oif his master recordings and unreleased music to California, even if it is to an extremely secure, climate controlled facility. That's LOTS of unheard Prince music for many years to come.

AnnaSantana said:

laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

This is what happens when you dont prepare.

Are you really butt hurt that Prince was not planning to die on April 21st?

No, because I could give a fuck what happens to it. The only one who really gets butthurt here is..well, you know. And I guess people dont prepare their estate because they never know their end date. Some people really need to take a break here.>

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Okay, Prince died a "rock star death" which some people say he wanted to do when he was young. How he exists in people's memories and how they respond to his music are separate and personal, now.He chose not to leave a will. His music needs to be preserved for everyone in the future...and if this is the best way to do it until the legal stuff is done, then I support the effort.

Mumio said:

I do not for one minute believe they weren't told. But I am not sure we are getting the entire story about this. Even so, this doesn't cause me any alarm.

What's really funny is that I thought Sharon, Norrine, John et. al. were the ones who proposed Comerica to be the personal admin in the first place? If that's true then what the hell is the problem? They need to dump Londell. Like Prince did. Lol.

Yes, they probably knew it. It was sharron that was disgusted with Coamerica because the told her some while back that they will do what they want to do or something along that line. She felt offended. On the other hand, why right did she have to tell orgs to select some songs they wanted to hear? Who knows mayte CoAmerica moved them also to keep her from releasing unreleased tapes. That most probably why she is so peeved. She has no control over what the estate do. This is what Tyka had to put up with...Sure, they need to get rid of Londell....A lot of fans dont see Sharon for what she is trying to do.....she objects to everything that Tyka says....From what I read Sharon intends to release her father's recording sometime this month....were they in the vault?

neversaygoodbye said:

Mumio said:

I do not for one minute believe they weren't told. But I am not sure we are getting the entire story about this. Even so, this doesn't cause me any alarm.

What's really funny is that I thought Sharon, Norrine, John et. al. were the ones who proposed Comerica to be the personal admin in the first place? If that's true then what the hell is the problem? They need to dump Londell. Like Prince did. Lol.

Yes, they probably knew it. It was sharron that was disgusted with Coamerica because the told her some while back that they will do what they want to do or something along that line. She felt offended. On the other hand, why right did she have to tell orgs to select some songs they wanted to hear? Who knows mayte CoAmerica moved them also to keep her from releasing unreleased tapes. That most probably why she is so peeved. She has no control over what the estate do. This is what Tyka had to put up with...Sure, they need to get rid of Londell....A lot of fans dont see Sharon for what she is trying to do.....she objects to everything that Tyka says....From what I read Sharon intends to release her father's recording sometime this month....were they in the vault?

As far as I'm concerned, what the elder sibs want isn't what the fans will ultimately want. They are older, they want their money before they join Prince. And the elders are using Londell as a personal advisor. Very poor decision in my opinion.

rogifan said:

CandaceS said:

https://www.seattletimes....rs-miffed/

“... a secure location where all of the original content could be securely stored and digitized as a safeguard against the destruction or loss of any original content...”

I'm not sure what to make of the drama with the family, but I've been waiting to hear that something was being done to digitize and preserve this material. Especially the oldest analog tapes.

However, strikes me as odd that it wasn't announced before? We're hearing about it weeks later, and only because certain family members are raising a ruckus. It almost seems like the administrators were trying to keep this quiet for some reason.

Anyway, I hope this is good news for us all.

Well who would they tell? This doesnt involve the public in any way so why do we even need to know?

No, it is :

where all of the original content could be securely stored and digitized as a safeguard against the destruction or loss of any original content,”

It was not wroitten or said that they will digitize them tapes.

So I see a smokescreen until proven otherwise.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

Honestly, this is fine. Paisley Park may have been state of the art at one point. Iron Mountain is & will remain so, which will maintain its ability to store & protect & develop his creative content in the years to come.

I want his work preserved. I don't trust his family to have the competency to do that. I suspect they were in fact told & are only bringing it to the attention of the media to try & gain sympathy in their ongoing battle for an upper hand in the negotiations over the inheritance. Fans who take issue with this have only Prince to blame: a man who fought endlessly over the protection of his art throughout his life didn't do a damn thing to preserve its legacy in his death. That was careless of him & this is the result. A final bird flipped to record companies, his family, & to the fans, who only want to hear it.

And perhaps now that it has been cleared out, fans will be allowed into the vault as part of future tours of Paisley Park? So it's a potential win there, too.

Just seems like sometimes the vibe on here is that fans really could care less about Prince as a person, a human being; all they want is music, more and more music. Like he gave his f*(#ing all to the music, even onto death and people just want more and more and more. Not because they appreciate him and his creativity, but just to feed their endless appetite.

donnyenglish said:

Great. I don't trust anyone at Paisley. His music needs to be safe. I can only imagine what has been stolen thus far.

Like nobody connected to the Cali facility will do some stealing and/or shady shit?

laurarichardson said:

JorisE73 said:

There were also engineers who claimed that the climate control didn't work anymore, and from hearing the podcast I got out of it that Mike Hampton also thought the vault weren't the ideal place to store the tapes, or am I wrong?
My English isn't that great to fully understand it all.

Who would those engineers be? Dave was last in the vault about a decade ago. and I have not read anywhere engineers who have said the climate control did not work in recent years.

I think Dave is correct that there are better places to store and work on the material but I skeptical about comments about the vault that are attributed to no name sources being true. The same thing goes for Paisley being in disrepair. It only took six months to get it open so obviously it could not have been in that much disrepair and the exhibits were already in place with scripts that had been written by Prince.

Be careful when the narrative is being placed in the media that Prince had no plans and everything in his world was collapsing. The facts are not there to bare this out.

That being said if they are preparing the catalogue for release this is a good thing and the sisters are just showing their cluelessness. I am sure insurance has been taken out on the tapes (assets) and they are not going to be stolen from the Iron Mountain facility.

With Paisley being open to the public I am sure whatever insurance carrier is involved with the estate may have had concerns about the material being at Paisley Park.

Why are you so sure of that, and I'm being serious. Were the contents catalogued; how does anyone know what was removed from PP? Just like stuff has always been leaked and stolen; what makes you think this isn't a possbility for the tapes. The entertainment business has always had elements of stealing from artist, why would this be any different especially given that his heirs are a bit older and may lack experience with the business.

I agree absolutely. These ladies need to stop being so greedy and concern themselves with their brother's legacy. It annoys me that Sharon is trying to act like Prince died again because his stuff was removed to a safer location.

Mumio said:

neversaygoodbye said:

Yes, they probably knew it. It was sharron that was disgusted with Coamerica because the told her some while back that they will do what they want to do or something along that line. She felt offended. On the other hand, why right did she have to tell orgs to select some songs they wanted to hear? Who knows mayte CoAmerica moved them also to keep her from releasing unreleased tapes. That most probably why she is so peeved. She has no control over what the estate do. This is what Tyka had to put up with...Sure, they need to get rid of Londell....A lot of fans dont see Sharon for what she is trying to do.....she objects to everything that Tyka says....From what I read Sharon intends to release her father's recording sometime this month....were they in the vault?

As far as I'm concerned, what the elder sibs want isn't what the fans will ultimately want. They are older, they want their money before they join Prince. And the elders are using Londell as a personal advisor. Very poor decision in my opinion.

TheVaultKeeper said:

I just read all about Iron Mountain Entertainment Services on their website, and I couldn't be happier. Let's face it, the tapes are in much better hands now for restoration, preservation, and digitalization than they ever were in Prince's hands. Finally, his legacy is being fully protected!

Do you really think anybody is going to be concerned about protecting Prince's legacy? They are going to be concerned about making money and won't give a crap about his legacy. They were Prince's creations, how do you think somebody else is going to care for them more than he did? Maybe he didn't release them because they weren't up to his liking or standard to be released. I know people have said if he didn't want them released he could have destroyed them; which I guess is one way of looking at it; but to really think that anybody in the music industry is concerned about protecting his legacy is wishful thinking.

twinnies said:

What is Paisley Park made out of? I'm sure Prince had it built out of something that was fire proof (especially for the recordings in the vault). I just wonder what Prince would think about moving ALL oif his master recordings and unreleased music to California, even if it is to an extremely secure, climate controlled facility. That's LOTS of unheard Prince music for many years to come.

According to this Hollywood Reporter interview with the architect, "The Inside Story on Designing Prince's Paisley Park," it is constructed of "all white aluminum, metal panels on the outside to complement the simplicity of the landscape."

laurarichardson said:

TheVaultKeeper said:

I just read all about Iron Mountain Entertainment Services on their website, and I couldn't be happier. Let's face it, the tapes are in much better hands now for restoration, preservation, and digitalization than they ever were in Prince's hands. Finally, his legacy is being fully protected!

Wow his music is better off in someone else's hands. Did you even think about that before you typed it. If he were alive he would not have had to move anything anywhere. He could bring someone in to work on it and set things up for them and since he was alive why would have needed to do that?

This is needed now because he is not around anymore.

Thank you! I thought it was just me because it's late where I am and I just watched the sucky "docuementary, icon, slave" whatever it was called and I thought I was just in a pissy mood.