Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree totally and that's why for months I have been reminding people that EVERYTHING in his life was made to order or carefully chosen/curated by him.INCLUDING HIS DRUGS. HE KNEW HIS DRUGS, HE KNEW WHAT HE LIKED AND WANTED AND NEEDED AND HE HAD THE MONEY AND KNOW HOW TO GET WHATEVER HE WANTED. His drug use was not random, it was something he CAREFULLY CONTROLLED like everything else in his life. And I believe he orchestrated and controlled the final scene.

Re JEALOUSY...I think that's something that should be explored more here. There are people in his 'inner circle' (hate that phrase) who deeply resented his controlling ways, his power and money and talent and they were just fine with his slo-mo suicide, his spiral down, the bones sticking out of his body and the adam's apple in grotesque relief...as long as the checks didn't bounce...they didn't give a rats' ass what he did to himself...and some, in his family, were just over him and everything that he was and they were not... they wanted him gone...and they wanted his money.

Get real, the homo sapien is the worlds' most dangerous animal..

First i would like to say, i hate my species...in regards to your jealousy observation...why is so outlandish to think that perhaps someone in his inner circle took it one step further, and rather than just watch him disappear, they facilitated it in some fashion...that is the "conspiracy theory" that some people have thought possible, and get called crazy and delusional...but is it? No, it is one of the possible scenarios...accident, suicide, homicide

Perhaps there were many facilitators, imo, if they knew what was going on and turned a blind eye because of the regular checks coming in.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

What would you do if you were in pain and these drugs are so powerful that you became addicted to them and found unfortunatly that despite the risk you actually need to make it day to day?

If you (not personally) were in pain 24/7 and had been so for some time, I have no doubt whatsoever that any medication that would make that pain either bearable or go away for a little while would be the choice. In spite of the risk associated with a lot of these painkillers, to be in pain all the time is just too damn much for most people. I can not blame anyone who can't deal without the medication to make their life easier to bear with less pain. Addiction may be the side effect as well as a need for higher levels, but who wants to be in agony all the time? I wouldn't and would do what I needed to do. I worry with all this concern about the addictive nature of these drugs that they won't be available for those who need them. People need quality to their life and not being able to treat intractable pain would be torture. Suicide rates would sky-rocket in that case.

absol-FREAKIN-lutely!

What a lot of people fail to realize is that without those drugs, even with the best surgery techniques available, the management of pain cannot be adequately accomplished. Until we decide to explore other options alone or in conjunction with better long term medication (because I believe medication for the most part useful)management, meds are the answer.

The more we demonize meds and shame/pontificate to/at the people who need those meds - we are only making the Stigma of addiction/dependance worse.

Worse to the point of suicide.

purplerabbithole said:

Annoying psycho-analyzing is coming so those who hate this shit should ignore my post and anyone reading it should do so with a large grain of salt. Its theory..and it may seem like a tangent but I do think it is connected.

The way he punished his body for so long and didn't get proper treatment for his addictions might have been the result of an earlier quest for love/respect from others and a latter quest for penance.)

Its funny but I started to read about Narcissistic Personality Disorder (because it was linked to anxiety disorder which is what I inititally looked up in reference to Prince) and I learned a lot . For one thing, people with this disorder are not necessarily evil (especially those on the lower end of the spectrum), although the behavior they exhibit can be evil.

For another thing, NPD is in many cases not about self love. It is actually often a ruse that is indicative of self loathing, shame, fragility and insecurity. People with this disorder are not really like Narcissus staring at his natural self in a lake (loving himself in his natural state.) Often they are extremely vulnerable people internally, very insecure, looking outward for self esteem [making themselves perfect so the rest of the world can love them], very self-protective and have abandonment issues galore (they can also suffer from depression, anxiety, suicide, and drug abuse) . They are more self-involved (in an almost self-defensive way) than self-loving. There are those (like Prince, I believe) who are capable of love, empathy, generosity, self-sacrifice and kindess that is truely geniune , but are too insecure to maintain relationships when their sense of fear/insecurity rears its head. I hate to use the word narcisist when talking about Prince because I do think ultimately he was relatively harmless to those not in denial themselves, I hate labels, and I hate that this disorder is often attributed to the worst of us (Saddam Hussein etc) and I do believe P [if he had it] was definitely on the lower end of the spectrum.

Artists (particularly writers) partake in exercises in empathy..this is their way to connect to others--its a self reflection that most narcissists don't have. Prince was a writer (in songs like Strange Relationship, he admits his culpability but doesn't do it to win back anyone necessarily but to just get it off his chest. Or some of the most self-shaming lyrics ever "there is lonely and there is how I feel right. Only Cain when he slayed his brother will ever come close to knowing how.") This artistry is Prince at his bravest and most admirable in a way. Yes, he broke hearts but his controlling nature was not so overpowering that people couldn't just leave him if they were strong enough to see past the talent and charm. In fact, his patterns were obvious to anyone with eye balls. If they took him on, they would have to know it would be a challenge and probably not for the long term. He wasn't in the shadows after all. He was not a sociopath or a wife beater or a particularly malicious person (even if he had his dickish, sneaky selfish ways) . Also, he had geniunely good traits that were not intended to manipulate (he could be quietly charitable, was quite gentle, even humble at times, encouraging, believed that God would hold him accountable for his actions, saw the goodness and potential in others, could put others above himself at times [his son, his fans, even his ungrateful family], and his sense of his own achievements was not too OTT like many narcissists--he worked hard to earn his fame [sometimes busting his ass for even the smallest of audiences] and did indirectly/directly admit that his ego needed sometimes to be put in check)

In many ways, artists are the most harmless of narcissists because they do have enough self-realization to empathize with humanity through their art; (there was a study in which regular folks and people the NPD were told to watch a video about abuse--at first the regular folks reacted with more empathy but when they were told in very specific terms to put themselves in the shoes of the victim in the video, the folks with NPD actually showed more signs of distress in their physicality than the regular folks..(elevated heart rate, increased breathing, neurons firing etc..) unfortunately, famous folks also have enablers who make it hard for them to find their way and their art can become a crutch (substituting for sustainable relationships)

Another interesting thing I read, even though, NPD is hard to cure because of the sense of denial most narcissists have, often what changes their condition is external trauma. P's suppposed change to a more humble and affable personality (still flawed,demanding and dating young folks but more accessible, on the up and up, and less manipulative/controlling) as he got older might be his NPD decreasing and slowly being replaced with a sense of humility/responsibility to others. It is possible that his child's death (along with his own body starting to break [chronic pain]) left him at first running into his worst NPD tendancies/impatience/denial only to be eventually replaced with guilt and even humility --made more potent with the death of his parents and the sense of community service advocated in church (the flipside being that this attempt at penance and humility might have made him vulnerable to manipulators, depression, and self medication.) If Prince had survived his addiction and had gotten real help, I think he would have become even more humane and connected to others and with a healthy sense of self love without NPD getting in the way. He was on his way in my opinion but the bumps in the road killed him (2 steps forward, one fatal step back). A story that Wendy told in an interview about the Purple Rain tour struck a nerve--Prince, after a day of grumpiness, once got super super humble and kind to everyone around him after he fell about 5 feet down in a bathtub on stage. Apparently prior to that incident, he had stated that he thought that something bad would happen to him to indicate when he was acting wrongly with others. He might have needed that rude awakening to realize that his issues didn't mean he was allowed to be a dick--to remind him to see past his needs.. -- the sad flipside to that coin is that the extreme opposite happens if you blame yourself for all the bad things that happened to you--it drains your sense of self worth. Its a very cumbersome vulnerable ego we are talking about here. )

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree totally and that's why for months I have been reminding people that EVERYTHING in his life was made to order or carefully chosen/curated by him.INCLUDING HIS DRUGS. HE KNEW HIS DRUGS, HE KNEW WHAT HE LIKED AND WANTED AND NEEDED AND HE HAD THE MONEY AND KNOW HOW TO GET WHATEVER HE WANTED. His drug use was not random, it was something he CAREFULLY CONTROLLED like everything else in his life. And I believe he orchestrated and controlled the final scene.

Re JEALOUSY...I think that's something that should be explored more here. There are people in his 'inner circle' (hate that phrase) who deeply resented his controlling ways, his power and money and talent and they were just fine with his slo-mo suicide, his spiral down, the bones sticking out of his body and the adam's apple in grotesque relief...as long as the checks didn't bounce...they didn't give a rats' ass what he did to himself...and some, in his family, were just over him and everything that he was and they were not... they wanted him gone...and they wanted his money.

Get real, the homo sapien is the worlds' most dangerous animal..

First i would like to say, i hate my species...in regards to your jealousy observation...why is so outlandish to think that perhaps someone in his inner circle took it one step further, and rather than just watch him disappear, they facilitated it in some fashion...that is the "conspiracy theory" that some people have thought possible, and get called crazy and delusional...but is it? No, it is one of the possible scenarios...accident, suicide, homicide

Yes, sucide is plausible and so is homcide with associates involved. I mean his sister said she received a phone call telling her " he is gone" She said she was expecting his death two years ahead. No one who chooses not to believe the narrative is delusional plenty of clues by the parties involved lead to doubt about what we have been told.

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PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not trying to be a pain. But 67 mcg is enough to literally killed 20.2333 men. It seems unlikely that even a haphazardly made pill from the black market would have that much (or even two total pills) . i mean has anyone ever actually stated how much fentanyl was found in drug fatalities elsewhere where mislabeled counterfit pills were concerned? Yes, people have died from these counterfit drugs due to the fentanyl in them, but they may have also died from anything above 3 mcg of fentanyl since that is all it takes. This amount would be an easy mistake to make if dealers are not careful or knowledgable enough. But a pill that functions as cyanide to such an overwhelming degree is probably not good for business. I imagine the fatalities come from somebody popping 3 or 4 of those babies not knowing that there is fentanyl in them at all. Not because they is enough fentanyl in their stash to kill a large horse. I am not sure why the coroner said it was accident, but it doesn't make much sense to me to be an accident with that much fentanyl.

I wonder if he took 1 pill or a handful?

THAT is the question.....also what his tolerance was for that particularly marked product? was he use to 2,3 or more tabs of that marked amount? If so, then taking that same amount or even half of that amount could be seen as accidental. I wonder if metabolite testing was done...because some of us know that certain food stuffs (ahem) can show up as other things in common tests...

poppy seeds anybody?

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign Someone gets the ugly truth of it all.

The only person who has said they suspect something foul in the public is his cousin Charles ( who said his cousin would never have all his clothes inside out) and Adrian Crutchfield althought he is now in this stupid cover band so who knows how he feels now.

I dont believe a word Chazz says.

He gave an interview shortly after Ps death saying the family tried to end Ps addiction to Fentanyl "in every kind of way you can think of" and now he is singing a different song?

He is another one riding the Purple Wave.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign Someone gets the ugly truth of it all.

The only person who has said they suspect something foul in the public is his cousin Charles ( who said his cousin would never have all his clothes inside out) and Adrian Crutchfield althought he is now in this stupid cover band so who knows how he feels now.

I dont believe a word Chazz says.

He gave an interview shortly after Ps death saying the family tried to end Ps addiction to Fentanyl "in every kind of way you can think of" and now he is singing a different song?

He is another one riding the Purple Wave.

He did another interview on the local Fox station and he was saying the exact opposite and he has said via Facebook that everything he said in that Fox Interview was not shown on the air. I think right after Prince died he did not know anything and later I think he found out a few things that changed his mind.

He is the one who started the Facebook page Justice 4 Cuz so something is bugging him.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Have you forgotten his second wife, YEARS AGO, comparing Prince to Charlie Sheen at the time when Sheen was out of his mind on drugs 24/7? Don't you think she would have had a front row seat? She knew.

When it comes to enablers, she was ground zero...she ran to another brother and let Prince spiral down.AND, she got some bucks even though she was running around with Eric...because HER KNOWLEDGE/PROOF of Prince's drug use was her ace in the hole.

If she had a soul, she would have blown the story sky high, risked getting fewer bucks, to give him and those who really loved him a shot at saving his life.

If his second wife wanted to use drug use as leverage she would have mentioned it in the divorce papers. It is not in the divorce papers and she could have leaked info to the media to put the screws to him. She did nothing of the sort. She received a few measly million when she could have received half of what he earned while they were married did you forget about the Musicoly tour? Did you read the divorce docs she was greedy as hell but she got peanuts. She put that crap on her Facebook after they were divorced and according to Dr. Funkenberry Prince stopped speaking to this women so how would she have known what he doing as we have no stories of Prince going on any public rants. The AEG live people says he was a dream to work with. No one wants to work with anyone exhibiting Charlie Sheen like behavior because you saw what happened to Charlie' s carreer. The drug lifestyle and stories are just not popping up and I am not sure why you would take the word of a women who changed religion to marry her celebrity crush, sleep with a married man, and dropped that religion and man as soon as it was convinent. She once said in a interview the best thing about the marriage was that she got a business out it. I do not take that cold bitch seriously.

omg....Laura do you have a link or know the name of that interview?

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont believe a word Chazz says.

He gave an interview shortly after Ps death saying the family tried to end Ps addiction to Fentanyl "in every kind of way you can think of" and now he is singing a different song?

He is another one riding the Purple Wave.

He did another interview on the local Fox station and he was saying the exact opposite and he has said via Facebook that everything he said in that Fox Interview was not shown on the air. I think right after Prince died he did not know anything and later I think he found out a few things that changed his mind.

He is the one who started the Facebook page Justice 4 Cuz so something is bugging him.

It doesnt matter whether the full interview was aired.

I heard him say we tried to get help him with his addiction.

Nothing else he said that wasnt aired wont take those quotes away.

What Chazz found out later was he could become popular with grieving P Fans who think there is a conspiracy or P was murdered so he jumped on the Purple Bandwagon.

He is so untrustworthy.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

NotACleverName said:

rogifan said:

Isn’t it damn near impossible to be addicted to Fentanyl because you’d be dead before you could ever become addicted?

No...people with severe pain (cancer for ex) use Fentanyl in a controlled setting/manner. There are patches and lollipops produced with amounts that are tolerable without causing death. However, it is still an opioid so there is always the risk of developing a physical dependency.

It was used orignally for terminal cancer patients and people have died from handling the patches.

Anyway test showed he was not a user of Fentenyl as none was in his system from test from the day before. If he was abusing Fentanyl he would not have been playing a piano for two hours with no issues.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

He did another interview on the local Fox station and he was saying the exact opposite and he has said via Facebook that everything he said in that Fox Interview was not shown on the air. I think right after Prince died he did not know anything and later I think he found out a few things that changed his mind.

He is the one who started the Facebook page Justice 4 Cuz so something is bugging him.

It doesnt matter whether the full interview was aired.

I heard him say we tried to get help him with his addiction.

Nothing else he said that wasnt aired wont take those quotes away.

What Chazz found out later was he could become popular with grieving P Fans who think there is a conspiracy or P was murdered so he jumped on the Purple Bandwagon.

He is so untrustworthy.

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He did a second interview were he did a 360. I think he found out more info after speaking the first time and media outlets do edit interviews. He is not going to make any money off his hashtage or Facebook page.

Lately he comes off kind of despondent.

SpinsterSister said:

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: If his second wife wanted to use drug use as leverage she would have mentioned it in the divorce papers. It is not in the divorce papers and she could have leaked info to the media to put the screws to him. She did nothing of the sort. She received a few measly million when she could have received half of what he earned while they were married did you forget about the Musicoly tour? Did you read the divorce docs she was greedy as hell but she got peanuts. She put that crap on her Facebook after they were divorced and according to Dr. Funkenberry Prince stopped speaking to this women so how would she have known what he doing as we have no stories of Prince going on any public rants. The AEG live people says he was a dream to work with. No one wants to work with anyone exhibiting Charlie Sheen like behavior because you saw what happened to Charlie' s carreer. The drug lifestyle and stories are just not popping up and I am not sure why you would take the word of a women who changed religion to marry her celebrity crush, sleep with a married man, and dropped that religion and man as soon as it was convinent. She once said in a interview the best thing about the marriage was that she got a business out it. I do not take that cold bitch seriously.

omg....Laura do you have a link or know the name of that interview?

Let me look for it. I recently came across another interview she did for her candle business shortly after the divorce was annouced.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

Did anyone see Autopsy on Reelz? Here is what the medical examiner speculates what happened to P: When P got that shot of Narcam in Moline, it wiped out all traces of pain killers in his system. Even though P told Judith & others that he was gonna get help for his addiction & kick the habit, the pain came back & he simply relapsed. The pain once again was too much & he took what he thought was an opiod but it was laced with a lethal amount of fentanyl. No one knows where he got it from but when you buy opiods off the street, (or on-line) it's like playing russian roulette. You don't know what you are gonna get.

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

He did another interview on the local Fox station and he was saying the exact opposite and he has said via Facebook that everything he said in that Fox Interview was not shown on the air. I think right after Prince died he did not know anything and later I think he found out a few things that changed his mind.

He is the one who started the Facebook page Justice 4 Cuz so something is bugging him.

It doesnt matter whether the full interview was aired.

I heard him say we tried to get help him with his addiction.

Nothing else he said that wasnt aired wont take those quotes away.

What Chazz found out later was he could become popular with grieving P Fans who think there is a conspiracy or P was murdered so he jumped on the Purple Bandwagon.

He is so untrustworthy.

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Yes, exactly in my opinion too. He's not an heir, but wants his share of the pie and found a group of people he could play to who don't really hold him to account for anything and he's gonna ride that until he can't do so anymore. They are glamoured because he was Prince's cousin. Big deal.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

It was used orignally for terminal cancer patients and people have died from handling the patches. Anyway test showed he was not a user of Fentenyl as none was in his system from test from the day before. If he was abusing Fentanyl he would not have been playing a piano for two hours with no issues.

If someone is not acclimated (for lack of a better word) to Fentanyl, there would be a risk in handling patches; however, I did use "controlled setting/manner" to differentiate. Additionally, there are those addicted to Fentanyl who abuse the patches by scraping the residue off the patch and cooking it down to a liquid to inject so there are active users of the drug who don't die.

or putting the patch on their tongue or inside their cheek because those membranes offer a quicker path to absorption than putting the patch on skin....same tissue as rectal membranes for those who use the pills as a suppository...no danger of vomiting up the drug and being rescued from a suicide attempt...almost instant transmission of the drug...gentle loss of consciousness...if lidocaine is ordered at the time your personal drug order is mixed...there is no pain upon insertion...Fentenyl burns when it's pushed into the body...that's why even in an OR setting, another drug is used to dull the pain of the F...yes, lidocaine was found in Prince's post mortem drug panel. RIP

a.) no patches or stuff related to patches were found at PP.

b.) Prince, according to DR. Fink, told him that he has a heart murmer. Atrial Flutter is treated with lidocaine which isn't technically a heart murmur but very similar. Also, it can be used for nerve and muscle pain and arthritis. Are these possibly other legitimate reasons for him to be on a drug like that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said: If someone is not acclimated (for lack of a better word) to Fentanyl, there would be a risk in handling patches; however, I did use "controlled setting/manner" to differentiate. Additionally, there are those addicted to Fentanyl who abuse the patches by scraping the residue off the patch and cooking it down to a liquid to inject so there are active users of the drug who don't die.

or putting the patch on their tongue or inside their cheek because those membranes offer a quicker path to absorption than putting the patch on skin....same tissue as rectal membranes for those who use the pills as a suppository...no danger of vomiting up the drug and being rescued from a suicide attempt...almost instant transmission of the drug...gentle loss of consciousness...if lidocaine is ordered at the time your personal drug order is mixed...there is no pain upon insertion...Fentenyl burns when it's pushed into the body...that's why even in an OR setting, another drug is used to dull the pain of the F...yes, lidocaine was found in Prince's post mortem drug panel. RIP

purplerabbithole said:

a.) no patches or stuff related to patches were found at PP.

b.) Prince, according to DR. Fink, told him that he has a heart murmer. Atrial Flutter is treated with lidocaine which isn't technically a heart murmur but very similar. Also, it can be used for nerve and muscle pain and arthritis. Are these possibly other legitimate reasons for him to be on a drug like that.

The lidocaine was found IN the illegal pills. Lidocaine most generally is not used in pill form. It is usually injected or applied as a salve.

It very well could have been cut into the illegal pills for anal use. Just like Bohdi has said.

Thank you. I think some people are way too cynical on this site. i choose to believe that Prince made a mistake, pure and simple. His fear of the medical industry probably at one time influenced him to buy online. At some point or another, P decided to attempt a real pain doctor through Kirk Johnson (thus the reason both Kirk and Dr. Shulbarg are not in jail right now and Shulbarg is still practicing.) Kirk may or may not have had anything to do with the illegal drugs. (Prince could have had a hired hand pick them up and relegated Kirk to other duties; and when Kirk discovered what P was doing, he offered to get him stuff through his name through a legit doctor.) It is also possible he was unaware of how dangerous those pills were (and Prince was as well). If regular drug addicts (who are not middle-aged, overworked, and isolated) are making the mistake of taking "percocet" that is actually Fentanyl, do people really think these middle-aged musicians too busy making music and touring are experts on drug usage. I used to think that much fentanyl meant suicide, but a desperately uncomfortable Prince might have downed 4 "hydrocodone" and each had 15 mcgs of fentanyl in them.) Who knows? Or maybe Prince attempted suicide but it was with what he assumed was hydrocodone and so he took quite a few fentanyl laced pills? Or maybe Prince knew he was taking some fentanyl cocktail but got a few bad pills in his stash. there are so many possibilities other than murder and cold hearted indifference from those around him. SOmeone else on this thread stated that pain pill addiction doesn't mean you don't function. Prince's thinness was extreme but so was it in 1994, 2009 and other times. People outside of kirk and a few others might have legitimately thought P was under-eating and overworked or at worst dealing with drug addiction but not on death's door and that there was time to fix the problem...

chucktown1 said:

Did anyone see Autopsy on Reelz? Here is what the medical examiner speculates what happened to P: When P got that shot of Narcam in Moline, it wiped out all traces of pain killers in his system. Even though P told Judith & others that he was gonna get help for his addiction & kick the habit, the pain came back & he simply relapsed. The pain once again was too much & he took what he thought was an opiod but it was laced with a lethal amount of fentanyl. No one knows where he got it from but when you buy opiods off the street, (or on-line) it's like playing russian roulette. You don't know what you are gonna get.

Lidocaine was found in pills? We know that for sure? i thought it was found in his body.

Why would people poisoning him care if he experienced burning pain?

There are other possibilities other than murder however. Maybe, P had an old stash of fentanyl-in-disguise and Kirk at some point or another convinced him to take milder pain medicine. Maybe KJ thought P only had the milder stuff and was okay for one more night (due to the recent scare) only to find out that P had horded some fentanyl (and P knew what it was but didn't care or realize it would kill him and the other stuff was just too mild to help him ) and then P took it without anyone else's notice. The reason I am clearing KJ a bit here is that the paper trail to himself with milder pills makes no sense if he knew or was facilitating P in his acquisition of fentanyl in disguise. It makes no sense to incriminate oneself and it makes no sense for P to have those milder drugs on his person if the stronger pills did the trick.

Also, murderers would probably get rid of the evidence especially if they have their names on P's other pills. Murderers wouldn't revive him on a plane the week before. Murders wouldn't return to the scene of the crime.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

a.) no patches or stuff related to patches were found at PP.

b.) Prince, according to DR. Fink, told him that he has a heart murmer. Atrial Flutter is treated with lidocaine which isn't technically a heart murmur but very similar. Also, it can be used for nerve and muscle pain and arthritis. Are these possibly other legitimate reasons for him to be on a drug like that.

The lidocaine was found IN the illegal pills. Lidocaine most generally is not used in pill form. It is usually injected or applied as a salve.

It very well could have been cut into the illegal pills for anal use. Just like Bohdi has said.

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If she killed him, why would she admit to the world that she knew he was going to die. More than likely, she found out about his addiction 2 years before his death and couldn't convince him to stop and everytime she attempted he cut her out of his life.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: First i would like to say, i hate my species...in regards to your jealousy observation...why is so outlandish to think that perhaps someone in his inner circle took it one step further, and rather than just watch him disappear, they facilitated it in some fashion...that is the "conspiracy theory" that some people have thought possible, and get called crazy and delusional...but is it? No, it is one of the possible scenarios...accident, suicide, homicide

Yes, sucide is plausible and so is homcide with associates involved. I mean his sister said she received a phone call telling her " he is gone" She said she was expecting his death two years ahead. No one who chooses not to believe the narrative is delusional plenty of clues by the parties involved lead to doubt about what we have been told.

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Maybe he originally thought P was addicted to percocetand was disgusted to find out it was fentanyl in disguise that killed him. Perhaps, the justice he is talking about is simply get the people who gave P the spiked pills so to speak.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It doesnt matter whether the full interview was aired.

I heard him say we tried to get help him with his addiction.

Nothing else he said that wasnt aired wont take those quotes away.

What Chazz found out later was he could become popular with grieving P Fans who think there is a conspiracy or P was murdered so he jumped on the Purple Bandwagon.

He is so untrustworthy.

[Edited 9/28/17 12:01pm]

He did a second interview were he did a 360. I think he found out more info after speaking the first time and media outlets do edit interviews. He is not going to make any money off his hashtage or Facebook page.

Lately he comes off kind of despondent.

purplerabbithole said:

That makes sense. So the drug "manufacturers" do this shit to keep people buying their merchandise. Th

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Lidocaine was found in pills? We know that for sure? i thought it was found in his body.

Why would people poisoning him care if he experienced burning pain?

It is my understanding that many street drugs have been cut with lidocaine and benzocaine for a long time. They buy it in bulk from china. The slight numbing effect gives the buyer the idea that that dealer is selling "good stuff". I don't think it is unusual

One pill with the “Watson 385” stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/n...-fentanyl/

purplerabbithole said:

Lidocaine was found in pills? We know that for sure? i thought it was found in his body.

Why would people poisoning him care if he experienced burning pain?

There are other possibilities other than murder however. Maybe, P had an old stash of fentanyl-in-disguise and Kirk at some point or another convinced him to take milder pain medicine. Maybe KJ thought P only had the milder stuff and was okay for one more night (due to the recent scare) only to find out that P had horded some fentanyl (and P knew what it was but didn't care or realize it would kill him and the other stuff was just too mild to help him ) and then P took it without anyone else's notice. The reason I am clearing KJ a bit here is that the paper trail to himself with milder pills makes no sense if he knew or was facilitating P in his acquisition of fentanyl in disguise. It makes no sense to incriminate oneself and it makes no sense for P to have those milder drugs on his person if the stronger pills did the trick.

Also, murderers would probably get rid of the evidence especially if they have their names on P's other pills. Murderers wouldn't revive him on a plane the week before. Murders wouldn't return to the scene of the crime.

PennyPurple said:

The lidocaine was found IN the illegal pills. Lidocaine most generally is not used in pill form. It is usually injected or applied as a salve.

It very well could have been cut into the illegal pills for anal use. Just like Bohdi has said.

[Edited 9/28/17 17:03pm]