morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

Notes from a meeting mean nothing.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

You keep bringing up UMG, I understood they were completely out the picture. What changed?

Remember there were 3 parts of the deal. One was the licensing. Two the merchandising. 3. UMG being the admin for Prince's publishing. I never saw anything that side the merchandising was not being handled by UMG. I could have missed it but at this point the NPG Publishing website is black. So who is handling the admin of his publishing?

No I don't remember. I was under the impression UMG rescinded the entire deal and no longer played a part in anything. This industry stuff is confusing. I had assumed since Troy is in their camp that's the expertise that's being relied on, he's completely silent and unseen in all this.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Notes from a meeting mean nothing.

Why would they mean nothing? You realize the under current of all of this is that Prince never had a deal with Tidal at all. That he sent files and promoted the site with no compensation. I guess if the notes from Prince and Jay-Z's business meetings mean nothing those stock holder meeting minutes that Comerica wants some badly do not mean anything either? Someone wants Tidal out of the picture and I think Prince had reason to believe that this would happen. [Edited 9/18/17 4:14am]

No one ever said P didnt have a deal with Tidal.

I think one of the issue is what does this deal encompass?

Shareholder minutes are important because the Equity Term Agreement allegedly gave P shares of Tidal.

Comerica wants a looksy to see if P was present or if he voted and/or had a say during the shareholder meetings, and whether disbursements were given to shareholders.

If the Tidal deal was straight up and air tight the Special Administrator wouldnt have filed a lawsuit, and it would be a done deal (like Warber Bros.)

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

No I don't remember. I was under the impression UMG rescinded the entire deal and no longer played a part in anything. This industry stuff is confusing. I had assumed since Troy is in their camp that's the expertise that's being relied on, he's completely silent and unseen in all this.

--I guess Troy is busy having Prince's name slapped on some color😳

I wouldn't knock it. That's long-term promotion. That's damned near eternal promotion.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

No I don't remember. I was under the impression UMG rescinded the entire deal and no longer played a part in anything. This industry stuff is confusing. I had assumed since Troy is in their camp that's the expertise that's being relied on, he's completely silent and unseen in all this.

UMG owns Bravado which is handling the merchandise which we can see from their letter to Cruz they take pretty seriously. I never saw anything else about the publishing part going away either.

I'll have to check it out. I seriously was under the impression that UMG was completely out of the picture.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said: UMG owns Bravado which is handling the merchandise which we can see from their letter to Cruz they take pretty seriously. I never saw anything else about the publishing part going away either.

I'll have to check it out. I seriously was under the impression that UMG was completely out of the picture.

Website for UMG/Bravdo

http://www.universalmusic.com/label/bravado/

http://www.bravado.com/

Unfortunatly you cannot highlight Prince's name and bring up any merchandise. WTF

See the link I found below. The songs listed are from HIt and Run. So yes UMG is the admin for Prince's music but you do not see UMG taking anything down from YOUTUBE you see the estate handling it which could mean that just like Dr. Funkenberry said that Prince complained about this stuff before the same thing is happening again.

It is easy to collect fees for publishing then fighting copyright infringement I guess. . The estate could be handling it all and not paying out anything.

https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/results?filters=parties&query=Prince%20Rogers%20Nelson%20#searchBtn

[Edited 9/19/17 4:26am]

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

--I guess Troy is busy having Prince's name slapped on some color😳

Do you know how many people get their own Pantone color? Like next to none. Don’t mock it.

It has nothing to do with music and I am going to continue to mock it. It is cheesy and pointless. Prince should be known for his music.

rogifan said:

Do you know how many people get their own Pantone color? Like next to none. Don’t mock it.

It is awesome to have your own color. Can't wait to paint a room in my house with it.

Do we all recall what happened when Prince died? The world glowed purple. Think of the biggest names in entertainment - when they passed, did anything similar happen? No. He touched the world in a way and at a depth no one could have imagined. Let him have his own color. I wish there were arts academies across the world named after him. Anything as classy as he was to make sure he is remembered.

1Sasha said:

Do we all recall what happened when Prince died? The world glowed purple. Think of the biggest names in entertainment - when they passed, did anything similar happen? No. He touched the world in a way and at a depth no one could have imagined. Let him have his own color. I wish there were arts academies across the world named after him. Anything as classy as he was to make sure he is remembered.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

It has nothing to do with music and I am going to continue to mock it. It is cheesy and pointless. Prince should be known for his music.

Bullshit. He’s known for a lot more than music and one of those things is the color purple. Also it’s not like working with Pantone stopped them from working on music. The music is 1000% more complicated. Good things come to those who are patient.

He is and should be known mainly for his music and I never said working with Pantone was a distraction from working on the music. It just would be nice if the music came first. In addition, this is my opinion.

1Sasha said:

Do we all recall what happened when Prince died? The world glowed purple. Think of the biggest names in entertainment - when they passed, did anything similar happen? No. He touched the world in a way and at a depth no one could have imagined. Let him have his own color. I wish there were arts academies across the world named after him. Anything as classy as he was to make sure he is remembered.

Did not say he could not or should not have it.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I'll have to check it out. I seriously was under the impression that UMG was completely out of the picture.

Website for UMG/Bravdo

http://www.universalmusic.com/label/bravado/

http://www.bravado.com/

Unfortunatly you cannot highlight Prince's name and bring up any merchandise. WTF

See the link I found below. The songs listed are from HIt and Run. So yes UMG is the admin for Prince's music but you do not see UMG taking anything down from YOUTUBE you see the estate handling it which could mean that just like Dr. Funkenberry said that Prince complained about this stuff before the same thing is happening again.

It is easy to collect fees for publishing then fighting copyright infringement I guess. . The estate could be handling it all and not paying out anything.

https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/results?filters=parties&query=Prince%20Rogers%20Nelson%20#searchBtn

[Edited 9/19/17 4:26am]

I don't know, doesn't seem like they are involved. I may be remembering wrong if Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died. From the court proceedings their argument was they wanted certain portions of the pie which turns out to be owned by WB until 2020 as opposed to 2018, and because of that they wanted completely out of the agreement they signed because "the value of an artist music who is deceased decreases over time", which the judge granted. I don't see anything that says they are partically handling anything, that was what they barked about in the first place they didn't go into this expecting only particial control. From reading I got the impressing it was an all or nothing deal. I think a whole new agreement would have to be drawn up for partial control and I don't see where that's been done.

Okay, thanks LR.

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

Website for UMG/Bravdo

http://www.universalmusic.com/label/bravado/

http://www.bravado.com/

Unfortunatly you cannot highlight Prince's name and bring up any merchandise. WTF

See the link I found below. The songs listed are from HIt and Run. So yes UMG is the admin for Prince's music but you do not see UMG taking anything down from YOUTUBE you see the estate handling it which could mean that just like Dr. Funkenberry said that Prince complained about this stuff before the same thing is happening again.

It is easy to collect fees for publishing then fighting copyright infringement I guess. . The estate could be handling it all and not paying out anything.

https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/results?filters=parties&query=Prince%20Rogers%20Nelson%20#searchBtn

[Edited 9/19/17 4:26am]

I don't know, doesn't seem like they are involved. I may be remembering wrong if Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died. From the court proceedings their argument was they wanted certain portions of the pie which turns out to be owned by WB until 2020 as opposed to 2018, and because of that they wanted completely out of the agreement they signed because "the value of an artist music who is deceased decreases over time", which the judge granted. I don't see anything that says they are partically handling anything, that was what they barked about in the first place they didn't go into this expecting only particial control. From reading I got the impressing it was an all or nothing deal. I think a whole new agreement would have to be drawn up for partial control and I don't see where that's been done.

Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died.

No it was not. Prince cut ties with UMG as his admin to start NPG Publishing. He brought the adminstration in house for all his music. Why would the most recent work be administerd by the company he just finished doing business with.

Now all of the music is being admin by UMG. The deal had 3 separate parts. The merchandising, Admin and licensing. The licensing got rescinded not the other two parts. Lonnie gave his friends at UMG Prince catalogue to make money off of after Prince left this same company a short while before.

See artilce below about the other separate deals. The other two deals are only for five years.

https://www.spin.com/2017/05/universal-prince-estate-deal-cancelled/

"The timing is key as UMG’s separate merchandise and music-publishing deals with the estate aren’t guaranteed beyond the next five years, according to sources."

------ See the article below from Rolling Out about publishing going away from UMG to NPG.

Take a look at the date. Just two years and a week and he was dead. It also states a schedule of songs so maybe not all back at that time but I am sure they have all been scooped up Universal by this time.

https://rollingout.com/2014/04/05/princes-entire-catalog-now-controlled-npg-music-publishing/

---

See article below listing the period of performance of Prince publishing deal.

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2016/universal-chosen-as-the-exclusive-publisher-of-pri

"UMPG at one point held a publishing contract with Prince in 2001. That contract ended in 2014 with Prince and his staff taking over management of his own publishing catalog."

[Edited 9/19/17 12:15pm]

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I don't know, doesn't seem like they are involved. I may be remembering wrong if Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died. From the court proceedings their argument was they wanted certain portions of the pie which turns out to be owned by WB until 2020 as opposed to 2018, and because of that they wanted completely out of the agreement they signed because "the value of an artist music who is deceased decreases over time", which the judge granted. I don't see anything that says they are partically handling anything, that was what they barked about in the first place they didn't go into this expecting only particial control. From reading I got the impressing it was an all or nothing deal. I think a whole new agreement would have to be drawn up for partial control and I don't see where that's been done.

Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died.

No it was not. Prince cut ties with UMG as his admin to start NPG Publishing. He brought the adminstration in house for all his music. Why would the most recent work be administerd by the company he just finished doing business with.

Now all of the music is being admin by UMG. The deal had 3 separate parts. The merchandising, Admin and licensing. The licensing got rescinded not the other two parts. Lonnie gave his friends at UMG Prince catalogue to make money off of after Prince left this same company a short while before.

See artilce below about the other separate deals. The other two deals are only for five years.

https://www.spin.com/2017/05/universal-prince-estate-deal-cancelled/

"The timing is key as UMG’s separate merchandise and music-publishing deals with the estate aren’t guaranteed beyond the next five years, according to sources."

------ See the article below from Rolling Out about publishing going away from UMG to NPG.

Take a look at the date. Just two years and a week and he was dead. It also states a schedule of songs so maybe not all back at that time but I am sure they have all been scooped up Universal by this time.

https://rollingout.com/2014/04/05/princes-entire-catalog-now-controlled-npg-music-publishing/

Popular music icon Prince has announced that his massive catalog of classic material is now under the control of his own NPG Music Publishing. This is the first time Prince’s publishing has been controlled independently; for the better part of two decades it has been controlled and administered by Universal Music Group. Prince established NPG Music Publishing a little over a month ago as an LLC.

The announcement was made via press release confirming that “the terms of the deal are not public” and that “it includes a schedule of songs that Prince considers ‘fit 4 eternal publication.'” It also, somewhat quizzically, states that NPG Music Publishing was founded “by Artists for Artists.”

Prince is currently signed to Epic Records, with NPG Music Publishing assisting on the release of “FALLINLOVE2NITE,” the Prince single that was featured during his much-hyped guest appearance on FOX’s New Girl in February. With his publishing now firmly in his control, NPG Music Publishing will now “actively [seek] placement for some of Prince’s best-loved songs in film, television, video games and the commercial realm.”

Prince has famously fought for control of his music and brand for years. He drew the world’s attention to his battle with Warner Bros. in the mid-1990s when he began performing with “SLAVE” scrawled across his cheek and went so far as to cease performing under the name “Prince” for several years–changing his stage moniker to an unpronounceable symbol–due to conflicts with his label.

---

See article below listing the period of performance of Prince publishing deal.

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2016/universal-chosen-as-the-exclusive-publisher-of-pri

"UMPG at one point held a publishing contract with Prince in 2001. That contract ended in 2014 with Prince and his staff taking over management of his own publishing catalog."

[Edited 9/19/17 12:15pm]

so he was killed on purpose....

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died.

No it was not. Prince cut ties with UMG as his admin to start NPG Publishing. He brought the adminstration in house for all his music. Why would the most recent work be administerd by the company he just finished doing business with.

Now all of the music is being admin by UMG. The deal had 3 separate parts. The merchandising, Admin and licensing. The licensing got rescinded not the other two parts. Lonnie gave his friends at UMG Prince catalogue to make money off of after Prince left this same company a short while before.

See artilce below about the other separate deals. The other two deals are only for five years.

https://www.spin.com/2017/05/universal-prince-estate-deal-cancelled/

"The timing is key as UMG’s separate merchandise and music-publishing deals with the estate aren’t guaranteed beyond the next five years, according to sources."

------ See the article below from Rolling Out about publishing going away from UMG to NPG.

Take a look at the date. Just two years and a week and he was dead. It also states a schedule of songs so maybe not all back at that time but I am sure they have all been scooped up Universal by this time.

https://rollingout.com/2014/04/05/princes-entire-catalog-now-controlled-npg-music-publishing/

Popular music icon Prince has announced that his massive catalog of classic material is now under the control of his own NPG Music Publishing. This is the first time Prince’s publishing has been controlled independently; for the better part of two decades it has been controlled and administered by Universal Music Group. Prince established NPG Music Publishing a little over a month ago as an LLC.

The announcement was made via press release confirming that “the terms of the deal are not public” and that “it includes a schedule of songs that Prince considers ‘fit 4 eternal publication.'” It also, somewhat quizzically, states that NPG Music Publishing was founded “by Artists for Artists.”

Prince is currently signed to Epic Records, with NPG Music Publishing assisting on the release of “FALLINLOVE2NITE,” the Prince single that was featured during his much-hyped guest appearance on FOX’s New Girl in February. With his publishing now firmly in his control, NPG Music Publishing will now “actively [seek] placement for some of Prince’s best-loved songs in film, television, video games and the commercial realm.”

Prince has famously fought for control of his music and brand for years. He drew the world’s attention to his battle with Warner Bros. in the mid-1990s when he began performing with “SLAVE” scrawled across his cheek and went so far as to cease performing under the name “Prince” for several years–changing his stage moniker to an unpronounceable symbol–due to conflicts with his label.

---

See article below listing the period of performance of Prince publishing deal.

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2016/universal-chosen-as-the-exclusive-publisher-of-pri

"UMPG at one point held a publishing contract with Prince in 2001. That contract ended in 2014 with Prince and his staff taking over management of his own publishing catalog."

[Edited 9/19/17 12:15pm]

so he was killed on purpose....

It's been said so many times until one would really have to be completely dense not to get it and you're not a noobie in these parts. This is the Estate thread not the conspiracy thread. Start a new thread if that's what you want to talk about.

1Sasha said:

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

Hit N' Run was somehow connected to UMG before Prince died.

No it was not. Prince cut ties with UMG as his admin to start NPG Publishing. He brought the adminstration in house for all his music. Why would the most recent work be administerd by the company he just finished doing business with.

Now all of the music is being admin by UMG. The deal had 3 separate parts. The merchandising, Admin and licensing. The licensing got rescinded not the other two parts. Lonnie gave his friends at UMG Prince catalogue to make money off of after Prince left this same company a short while before.

See artilce below about the other separate deals. The other two deals are only for five years.

https://www.spin.com/2017/05/universal-prince-estate-deal-cancelled/

"The timing is key as UMG’s separate merchandise and music-publishing deals with the estate aren’t guaranteed beyond the next five years, according to sources."

------ See the article below from Rolling Out about publishing going away from UMG to NPG.

Take a look at the date. Just two years and a week and he was dead. It also states a schedule of songs so maybe not all back at that time but I am sure they have all been scooped up Universal by this time.

https://rollingout.com/2014/04/05/princes-entire-catalog-now-controlled-npg-music-publishing/

Popular music icon Prince has announced that his massive catalog of classic material is now under the control of his own NPG Music Publishing. This is the first time Prince’s publishing has been controlled independently; for the better part of two decades it has been controlled and administered by Universal Music Group. Prince established NPG Music Publishing a little over a month ago as an LLC.

The announcement was made via press release confirming that “the terms of the deal are not public” and that “it includes a schedule of songs that Prince considers ‘fit 4 eternal publication.'” It also, somewhat quizzically, states that NPG Music Publishing was founded “by Artists for Artists.”

Prince is currently signed to Epic Records, with NPG Music Publishing assisting on the release of “FALLINLOVE2NITE,” the Prince single that was featured during his much-hyped guest appearance on FOX’s New Girl in February. With his publishing now firmly in his control, NPG Music Publishing will now “actively [seek] placement for some of Prince’s best-loved songs in film, television, video games and the commercial realm.”

Prince has famously fought for control of his music and brand for years. He drew the world’s attention to his battle with Warner Bros. in the mid-1990s when he began performing with “SLAVE” scrawled across his cheek and went so far as to cease performing under the name “Prince” for several years–changing his stage moniker to an unpronounceable symbol–due to conflicts with his label.

---

See article below listing the period of performance of Prince publishing deal.

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2016/universal-chosen-as-the-exclusive-publisher-of-pri

"UMPG at one point held a publishing contract with Prince in 2001. That contract ended in 2014 with Prince and his staff taking over management of his own publishing catalog."

[Edited 9/19/17 12:15pm]

so he was killed on purpose....

I really do not know. One the one hand I say no but on the other hand look how quick the vultures came out of the wood work. Just like certain people were waiting to dismantle his businesses and just give money to UMG while picking up a nice commission for himself. Although Lonnie tried to jump on the Jackson and Whitney Houston estates.

Look at Kopplecrook and his behavior concerning the charity concert what we know sounds like fraud. I do not want to think about what we do not know about and may never know.

Why the rush to dismantle business structures he put in place? Why did Prince have such a complex contract with WB that no other business may even be interested in his catalogue? Why give someone POA and if it is true he had his meeting with Jay-Z recorded Why?

Why did the estate managers not know where 3 million dollars from Tidal went? Why do the current estate managers not know where any of the Tidal docs are located? What is going on with NPG former employees and attorneys and what they might now about Prince's business with Tidal. Why did Prince give so much cash away and keep so much real estate?

Why send out detailed e-mails with instructions for Paisley Park?

I feel in my heart he was paranoid and he had some good reasons to be. I am not so sure it was fear of a company taking over but more of a concern about a Jubilant Judas.

It is a person or a few people that are behind these hi-jinks. I also do not want to hear about how a will would have prevented all of this because that has not been the case in the Ray Charles or James Brown estates. Crooks always find a way.

[Edited 9/20/17 5:40am]

laurarichardson said:

luvsexy4all said:

so he was killed on purpose....

I really do not know. One the one hand I say no but on the other hand look how quick the vultures came out of the wood work. Just like certain people were waiting to dismantle his businesses and just give money to UMG while picking up a nice commission for himself. Although Lonnie tried to jump on the Jackson and Whitney Houston estates.

Look at Kopplecrook and his behavior concerning the charity concert what we know sounds like fraud. I do not want to think about what we do not know about and may never know.

Why the rush to dismantle business structures he put in place? Why did Prince have such a complex contract with WB that no other business may even be interested in his catalogue? Why give someone POA and if it is true he had his meeting with Jay-Z recorded Why?

Why did the estate managers not know where 3 million dollars from Tidal went? Why do the current estate managers not know where any of the Tidal docs are located? What is going on with NPG former employees and attorneys and what they might now about Prince's business with Tidal. Why did Prince give so much cash away and keep so much real estate?

Why send out detailed e-mails with instructions for Paisley Park?

I feel in my heart he was paranoid and he had some good reasons to be. I am not so sure it was fear of a company taking over but more of a concern about a Jubilant Judas.

It is a person or a few people that are behind these hi-jinks. I also do not want to hear about how a will would have prevented all of this because that has not been the case in the Ray Charles or James Brown estates. Crooks always find a way.

[Edited 9/20/17 5:40am]

to me it means Prince knew there was jubilant judas' in his midst...and it was the only way to "beat" them was no will

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

I really do not know. One the one hand I say no but on the other hand look how quick the vultures came out of the wood work. Just like certain people were waiting to dismantle his businesses and just give money to UMG while picking up a nice commission for himself. Although Lonnie tried to jump on the Jackson and Whitney Houston estates.

Look at Kopplecrook and his behavior concerning the charity concert what we know sounds like fraud. I do not want to think about what we do not know about and may never know.

Why the rush to dismantle business structures he put in place? Why did Prince have such a complex contract with WB that no other business may even be interested in his catalogue? Why give someone POA and if it is true he had his meeting with Jay-Z recorded Why?

Why did the estate managers not know where 3 million dollars from Tidal went? Why do the current estate managers not know where any of the Tidal docs are located? What is going on with NPG former employees and attorneys and what they might now about Prince's business with Tidal. Why did Prince give so much cash away and keep so much real estate?

Why send out detailed e-mails with instructions for Paisley Park?

I feel in my heart he was paranoid and he had some good reasons to be. I am not so sure it was fear of a company taking over but more of a concern about a Jubilant Judas.

It is a person or a few people that are behind these hi-jinks. I also do not want to hear about how a will would have prevented all of this because that has not been the case in the Ray Charles or James Brown estates. Crooks always find a way.

[Edited 9/20/17 5:40am]

to me it means Prince knew there was jubilant judas' in his midst...and it was the only way to "beat" them was no will

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