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Reply #30 posted 08/12/17 3:05am

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So am I the only one who feels that Strays of the World should have been included on the album as the album´s last song like it was supposed to be?

TrivialPursuit, what do you think? What made you decide against adding it to your alternative version of the Come album?

Just curious...

I know the song is not that popular among orgers but I love it and it irks me that it wasn´t included.

Sure, it would sound a bit out of place but you can tell that it was meant to be on that album even though it was also written for a possible musical.

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Reply #31 posted 08/12/17 5:49am

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KoolEaze said:

So am I the only one who feels that Strays of the World should have been included on the album as the album´s last song like it was supposed to be?

TrivialPursuit, what do you think? What made you decide against adding it to your alternative version of the Come album?

Just curious...

I know the song is not that popular among orgers but I love it and it irks me that it wasn´t included.

Sure, it would sound a bit out of place but you can tell that it was meant to be on that album even though it was also written for a possible musical.

I am not sure how it would have fit on the Come album, but agree that the song is under-appreciated here. I think part of Prince's appeal was how he was so different that he just didn't fit in the mainstream. So, I always interpreted the song to be his reaching out to other "strays" like him and some of us. It really was one of the most warm hearted songs he ever performed. However, this is why it doesn't seem to fit into the colder and harder Come album IMO.

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Reply #32 posted 08/12/17 11:43am

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KoolEaze said:




Militant said:


Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.



If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!




Interesting podcast and nice summary of what was going on at the time, including Prince badmouthing and partly sabotaging the success of Come in order to gather more support for the Gold Experience.


I remember that Vibe interview that Alan Light did where Prince made him listen to songs from both albums, dissing the Come songs and praising the Gold Experience.


I like both albums and see the songs of part of the same phase and era, and basically same project when you look at the bigger picture.





Yep... Very much two sides of the same coin.



I find Come to be more cohesive than TGE. It's also not over-produced - I think Prince had it in his head that TGE was supposed to be this big grandiose statement, and so songs like "Endorphinmachine" suffer from over-production, whereas that didn't happen with the "Come" songs.

Neither album is perfect, but there's a perfect Prince album between the two (of course, nobody will agree on what the tracklist would be!) - My personal opinion is that if you take 80% of what's on "Come" and around 20% of what's on TGE you've got a flawless album right there.





Well put, but there is not a song on Come that I would drop.

His "contract filler" albums during this period are all great and unfairly maligned by critics and some fans.
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Reply #33 posted 08/12/17 2:39pm

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Militant said:

Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.



If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!



I agree that it is a very underrated album. The horn arrangements on this album are masterful and his vocals are excellent. "Dark" is a masterpiece, plain and simple. My favorite tracks are "Dark," "Come," and "Papa." I like "Papa" because it is raw, powerful, and reflective. The album as a whole is very reflective.
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I wonder if critics gave the album lousy reviews because prince was, shall I say, abrasive during this period of his career/life. He was prince or TAFKAP. He didn't make it easy for people to talk about him. He wrote "slave" across his face. He was feuding with Warner Brothers. I was a kid in the 90s and I thought he was a weirdo because he changed his name to prince and wrote "slave" across his face, and I think that much of the general public in the USA felt the same way. Also, Come does not measure up to albums like PR or SOTT, so Come will therefore be inherently disappointing because it was not as good as prince/Prince's best material.
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Reply #34 posted 08/12/17 2:44pm

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I'm halfway through this album right now and what a ride it is. I never realized what a moody unsettling album it really is. From the eerie album art alone, you know this isn't a party record by any means.

The sexually charged songs on the album are like the yin to Dirty Mind's yang; whereas "Dirty Mind" is youthful, playful and relatively innocuous (aside from maybe "Sister") in its portrayal of sex, "Come" is quite aggressive and even scary in some parts. The 'gun / masturbation' verse in "Pheremone" stands out for me, as well as the 'don't breathe' portion of the title song.

Then, of course, there's "Papa," which is quite frightening and unusually personal for Prince. "Solo" also creeps me out for how minimalist and emotionally naked it is. I close my eyes and I see just a sort of darkscape, kind of like Van Gogh's "Starry Night" but much grimmer.

Any thoughts on this one? Also, any other Prince songs or albums that strike you as dark or edgy? I'm intrigued by that side of his music.

This whole album fascinates me. I agree it was under rated. Each time I listen to it I find something else that I really appreciate. Solo doesn't creep me out, it just feels so raw and honest. I don't kmow what it is about Prince, but it feels like once life hits you in a certain place, one of his lyrics suddenly makes sense, where it didn't before. Add to that his ability to combine the emotion with the music, it is mind blowing.

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Reply #35 posted 08/12/17 2:50pm

206Michelle

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Militant said:


Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.



If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!





It is indeed.



In my opinion not only is it his most underated album, it actually has aged best out of all the 90's albums. Even though TGE may have more standout quality songs... Overall COME has aged better and still has lasted all the years... Many of the productions from TGE, EMANCIPATION has not aged as well as COME.


I agree about the production. Most of the songs sound like they are from the 90s, but do not sound dated. I wonder if the prominence of the horn arrangements on Come has prevented the album's production from sounding dated. To the best of my knowledge, horn arrangements were not a common feature of mid-90s popular music. I also feel that the horn arrangements add some depth to the album and make the mid-90s production subtler than the mid-90s production on TGE and Emancipation.
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Reply #36 posted 08/12/17 3:18pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Adorecream said:

Solo is a bizarre opera experiement,

People so mischaracterize this song. He is telling you how he felt at the time, completely and utterly alone. One of my favorite songs. So unusual for him and his voice expresses the isolation he clearly felt.

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Well, except that he didn't write it... the words, anyway.

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Reply #37 posted 08/12/17 3:21pm

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Dark? Not at all. There is a song called Dark, but I never considered the album Dark.

Anyway, the album is a masterpiece.

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While I agree it ain't that "dark" (even, or especially actually, the song "Dark")...

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"Masterpiece"?

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I'm all for a variety of opinions, but calling Come a "masterpiece" sort of redefines the generally accepted meaning of the word.

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Even if you think it's a good album.

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(Which it's not.)

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Reply #38 posted 08/12/17 3:29pm

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CAL3 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

People so mischaracterize this song. He is telling you how he felt at the time, completely and utterly alone. One of my favorite songs. So unusual for him and his voice expresses the isolation he clearly felt.

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Well, except that he didn't write it... the words, anyway.



We just discussed that on this thread too http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3 starting from post #76




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Reply #39 posted 08/12/17 3:35pm

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CAL3 said:

leadline said:

Dark? Not at all. There is a song called Dark, but I never considered the album Dark.

Anyway, the album is a masterpiece.

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While I agree it ain't that "dark" (even, or especially actually, the song "Dark")...

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"Masterpiece"?

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I'm all for a variety of opinions, but calling Come a "masterpiece" sort of redefines the generally accepted meaning of the word.

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Even if you think it's a good album.

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(Which it's not.)

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Reply #40 posted 08/12/17 3:40pm

CAL3

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CAL3 said:

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Well, except that he didn't write it... the words, anyway.



We just discussed that on this thread too http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=3 starting from post #76




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I mean they're good words, Prince certainly tries to give them a deeply-felt interpretation. Personally I don't like the song (I find it borderline unlistenable), I think the words actually function better on page than sung the way P sings them. I find his delivery on that one too florid. For my tastes. Too fussed over.

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I don't mind at all that the song is depressing, if that's part of the "dark" component being discussed. But the album is a such a depressing mess, the song (IMO) emphasizes the weakness of the album overall.

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Reply #41 posted 08/12/17 3:41pm

CAL3

KoolEaze said:

So am I the only one who feels that Strays of the World should have been included on the album as the album´s last song like it was supposed to be?

TrivialPursuit, what do you think? What made you decide against adding it to your alternative version of the Come album?

Just curious...

I know the song is not that popular among orgers but I love it and it irks me that it wasn´t included.

Sure, it would sound a bit out of place but you can tell that it was meant to be on that album even though it was also written for a possible musical.

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I think "Strays" would've improved the album significantly had it been included. Along with "Dark" it would've been my favorite on the album. I think "Strays" is flat-out brillliant.

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Reply #42 posted 08/12/17 3:44pm

jdcxc

206Michelle said:

Militant said:

Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.



If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!



I agree that it is a very underrated album. The horn arrangements on this album are masterful and his vocals are excellent. "Dark" is a masterpiece, plain and simple. My favorite tracks are "Dark," "Come," and "Papa." I like "Papa" because it is raw, powerful, and reflective. The album as a whole is very reflective.
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I wonder if critics gave the album lousy reviews because prince was, shall I say, abrasive during this period of his career/life. He was prince or TAFKAP. He didn't make it easy for people to talk about him. He wrote "slave" across his face. He was feuding with Warner Brothers. I was a kid in the 90s and I thought he was a weirdo because he changed his name to prince and wrote "slave" across his face, and I think that much of the general public in the USA felt the same way. Also, Come does not measure up to albums like PR or SOTT, so Come will therefore be inherently disappointing because it was not as good as prince/Prince's best material.


"Dark" is one of his best songs ever and criminally underrated. It's remarkable that even on his "lesser" albums there is a song that is pure greatness, a true masterpiece.
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Reply #43 posted 08/12/17 3:57pm

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"COME" is a masterpiece?????


Appollonia Kotero is/was a masterpiece, "COME" is not



COME - is Nona Gaye


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Reply #44 posted 08/12/17 4:21pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

"COME" is a masterpiece???????? Appollonia Kotero is/was a masterpiece, "COME" is not COME - is Nona Gaye *scientifically spanking [Edited 8/12/17 15:58pm]

well Nona was badder than Apps imho

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Reply #45 posted 08/12/17 5:31pm

jdcxc

2045RadicalMattZ said:

"COME" is a masterpiece?????


Appollonia Kotero is/was a masterpiece, "COME" is not



COME - is Nona Gaye


*scientifically spanking
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"Dark" is a masterpiece.
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Reply #46 posted 08/12/17 7:31pm

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rdhull said:



2045RadicalMattZ said:


"COME" is a masterpiece????? Appollonia Kotero is/was a masterpiece, "COME" is not COME - is Nona Gaye *scientifically spanking [Edited 8/12/17 15:58pm]

well Nona was badder than Apps imho


Talent wise? Obviously.

But in a completely leering and horn dogging way, Appollonia is kind of a no brainer, inn'it?

Not talking smarts either.

Geez. Wish the org had a registered (member) voting option for polls. That would at least make the threads worthwhile - considering P is no longer of this domain


[*and yes, "Dark" is fantastic, "pheromone" is lurid and horny but great as well, letitgo is pretty good too...the SONG come is pretty dull and useless.
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Reply #47 posted 08/12/17 7:35pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

rdhull said:

well Nona was badder than Apps imho

Talent wise? Obviously. But in a completely leering and horn dogging way, Appollonia is kind of a no brainer, inn'it? Not talking smarts either. Geez. Wish the org had a registered (member) voting option for polls. That would at least make the threads worthwhile - considering P is no longer of this domain [*and yes, "Dark" is fantastic, "pheromone" is lurid and horny but great as well, letitgo is pretty good too...the SONG come is pretty dull and useless. [Edited 8/12/17 19:34pm]

Nah, Im talkin bout bod-ay. Aps is fine no doubt but Nona?...gat-damn.

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Reply #48 posted 08/12/17 8:13pm

206Michelle

jdcxc said:

206Michelle said:


I agree that it is a very underrated album. The horn arrangements on this album are masterful and his vocals are excellent. "Dark" is a masterpiece, plain and simple. My favorite tracks are "Dark," "Come," and "Papa." I like "Papa" because it is raw, powerful, and reflective. The album as a whole is very reflective.
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I wonder if critics gave the album lousy reviews because prince was, shall I say, abrasive during this period of his career/life. He was prince or TAFKAP. He didn't make it easy for people to talk about him. He wrote "slave" across his face. He was feuding with Warner Brothers. I was a kid in the 90s and I thought he was a weirdo because he changed his name to prince and wrote "slave" across his face, and I think that much of the general public in the USA felt the same way. Also, Come does not measure up to albums like PR or SOTT, so Come will therefore be inherently disappointing because it was not as good as prince/Prince's best material.


"Dark" is one of his best songs ever and criminally underrated. It's remarkable that even on his "lesser" albums there is a song that is pure greatness, a true masterpiece.

Prince must have thought well of "Dark" because he put the remix, "So Dark," on Crystal Ball and played "Dark"/"So Dark" during live shows in 2013, 2014, and 2016. According to Prince Vault, "Dark" is the only song from Come that he performed after 1997.
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Reply #49 posted 08/12/17 9:32pm

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Militant said:

Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.



If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!




Agreed, I like it better than Gold Experience
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Reply #50 posted 08/13/17 3:00am

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rdhull said:



2045RadicalMattZ said:


rdhull said:


well Nona was badder than Apps imho



Talent wise? Obviously. But in a completely leering and horn dogging way, Appollonia is kind of a no brainer, inn'it? Not talking smarts either. Geez. Wish the org had a registered (member) voting option for polls. That would at least make the threads worthwhile - considering P is no longer of this domain [*and yes, "Dark" is fantastic, "pheromone" is lurid and horny but great as well, letitgo is pretty good too...the SONG come is pretty dull and useless. [Edited 8/12/17 19:34pm]

Nah, Im talkin bout bod-ay. Aps is fine no doubt but Nona?...gat-damn.


U no.....i just noticed through a brief search and peek. ..that neither one of them gals has much booty. .....handles so to speak.


But fortunately a Google search for nona gayes body brought me to the visuals of what looks like a high finance call girl named Demi Rose....good God almighty

Anyways. Just to be on topic. DARK was one of my favorite Prince songs, until i determined myself to avoid that gutteral pain and negativity for a while. (*after a bad falling out, I'd spun that along with stuff like Donny's "giving up", Jeff Buckley 's tunes etc. ..a bad diet of consuming depression)
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That said. It's not a strong album. not even on just giving "different facets" like P always did. (I HATE using this past tense)....it's just a pretty good Prince album. Damn near every album he did WAS great.
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Reply #51 posted 08/13/17 8:12am

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'Pheromone' is pretty weird, disturbing and dark. Voyeurism, That gun pointed towards her nose, masturbation. that tear heading down towards her smile. Fap material. lol


Dude, the fuck. You dark soul, sort yourself out. lol

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Reply #52 posted 08/13/17 8:34am

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Marrk said:

'Pheromone' is pretty weird, disturbing and dark. Voyeurism, That gun pointed towards her noise, masturbation. that tear heading down towards her smile. Fap material. lol



It's not dark, it's a fairytale. It has a castle and a Prince and all.



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Reply #53 posted 08/13/17 8:47am

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daingermouz2020 said:

Militant said:

Yes, it might well be. It's also in my opinion, his most under-rated album.


If you're interested, I did a whole podcast about this album for a show called Transatlantic Rebels!


Agreed, I like it better than Gold Experience

Me too. I was never a fan of that album myself and time hasn't been kind to it either.

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Reply #54 posted 08/13/17 1:56pm

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What if... we add Interactive, Endorphine Machine, What's My Name and There Is Lonely and perhaps Strays Of The World. I know, There Is Lonely might be not part of the album, but i for one believe it has the sound and it fits with the Come vibe.

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Reply #55 posted 08/13/17 4:04pm

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gandorb said:

KoolEaze said:

So am I the only one who feels that Strays of the World should have been included on the album as the album´s last song like it was supposed to be?

TrivialPursuit, what do you think? What made you decide against adding it to your alternative version of the Come album?

Just curious...

I know the song is not that popular among orgers but I love it and it irks me that it wasn´t included.

Sure, it would sound a bit out of place but you can tell that it was meant to be on that album even though it was also written for a possible musical.

I am not sure how it would havle fit on the Come album, but agree that the song is under-appreciated here. I think part of Prince's appeal was how he was so different that he just didn't fit in the mainstream. So, I always interpreted the song to be his reaching out to other "strays" like him and some of us. It really was one of the most warm hearted songs he ever performed. However, this is why it doesn't seem to fit into the colder and harder Come album IMO.

That´s why I said it would feel a bit out of place musically in my previous post.

The motto or title of the album is repeated at the end of the song Strays of the World. You can hear the invitation "Come!" uttered at the very end of the song, and in my opinion it completes the album and expands the slogan Come, taking it to a more spiritual level and giving the album somewhat of a concept,making it more cohesive and fuller.

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Reply #56 posted 08/13/17 7:57pm

jdcxc

Suprised to read that this album was a #1 hit in the UK.
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Reply #57 posted 08/14/17 9:19am

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jdcxc said:

Militant said:

Yep... Very much two sides of the same coin.

I find Come to be more cohesive than TGE. It's also not over-produced - I think Prince had it in his head that TGE was supposed to be this big grandiose statement, and so songs like "Endorphinmachine" suffer from over-production, whereas that didn't happen with the "Come" songs.

Neither album is perfect, but there's a perfect Prince album between the two (of course, nobody will agree on what the tracklist would be!) - My personal opinion is that if you take 80% of what's on "Come" and around 20% of what's on TGE you've got a flawless album right there.



Well put, but there is not a song on Come that I would drop. His "contract filler" albums during this period are all great and unfairly maligned by critics and some fans.

1,000,000% agree!!

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Reply #58 posted 08/14/17 11:36am

Doalwa

There was some pretty dark shit on the Come album , always loved it nonetheless..

I mean "Don't abuse children or else they turn out like me"...how much darker can you get?

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Reply #59 posted 08/14/17 1:41pm

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"Solo" is a beautiful one, the DJ Hani has remastered his epic 90s remixes of that tune and they are on the webs in their heavy bass glory. The highs and lows of his vocal range and the delivery are haunting. I fell back in love with this one.

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