databank said:

Revolution81 said:

4 lust was completely unknown, until Jill leaked it a few years ago

And the fact that a second, entirely different version of it was revealed to exist last year, produced by a top notch British producer outside of the confines of Paisley Park, and yet no one knew about it, makes your example even more significant

Yeah, that was weird. And I like that version, too.

EddieC said:

You/we will never know the % because overall nobody here knows shit about whats in the vault in totality.

Thewooh said:

FUNKNROLL said:

I have a spreadsheet that lists about 94 songs made during 1986. That’s almost 10 albums. Many songs were released and most of the unreleased were leaked. Dates show not more than 11 day gaps in recording during the year. Towards the end of the year, the types of songs and titles seem to offer a glimpse of what was going on in his life (the year ends with Wally). Hard to imagine there would be more songs for that year?

How is it possible to have enough experiences to create all those songs when a lot of your life is being either in the studio or rehearsing or gigging? Conversely, how is it possible to mentally cope with all those ideas emerging in your mind?

Lets not forget EVERY song that other artist have performed.

He would have a demo AT LEAST of every song that associated artists released.

So add another large percentage to that equation.

erik319 said:

EddieC said:

Yeah, that was weird. And I like that version, too.

I've missed this. Google doesn't seem to come up with anything. Was it on a boot? Who's the producer? Any other info?

Produced by Martyn Ware for the 1989 album. He was interviewed and had it played on British radio Soho Radio on 2016/05/19 and thanks God a honorable British orger recorded the broadcast and leaked it. Unsure if it was on any boot but it may have ended on a BFTP?

databank said:

erik319 said:

EddieC said: I've missed this. Google doesn't seem to come up with anything. Was it on a boot? Who's the producer? Any other info?

Produced by Martyn Ware for the 1989 album. He was interviewed and had it played on British radio Soho Radio on 2016/05/19 and thanks God a honorable British orger recorded the broadcast and leaked it. Unsure if it was on any boot but it may have ended on a BFTP?

I don't think it was released on any boot. I think it just showed up in a set of files that got shared. I hadn't heard how it got out to the public--it's listed as a "single on Paisley Park" on this discography of Heaven 17 members' contributions to other artists' works (http://www.heaven17.de/diot0009.htm), and this was up when the track first leaked to the Prince community, so I assumed that Ware fans already knew about the recording (though this is the only evidence I have for that). Obviously there was no Paisley Park release--but they did know the title and connected it to Jill, though no indication they knew it was a Prince song.

FUNKNROLL said:

I have a spreadsheet that lists about 94 songs made during 1986. That’s almost 10 albums. Many songs were released and most of the unreleased were leaked. Dates show not more than 11 day gaps in recording during the year. Towards the end of the year, the types of songs and titles seem to offer a glimpse of what was going on in his life (the year ends with Wally). Hard to imagine there would be more songs for that year?

11 day gaps provide enough time to record more songs. Whilst the "year in the studio" boot is an excellent document of 1986, I am not convinced it is complete. This was, imo, at the heart of his most prolific and inspired period (85-87).

Anyway, that boot should be seen as an example by WB and the estate of how to compile and release vault material.

EddieC said:

databank said:

Produced by Martyn Ware for the 1989 album. He was interviewed and had it played on British radio Soho Radio on 2016/05/19 and thanks God a honorable British orger recorded the broadcast and leaked it. Unsure if it was on any boot but it may have ended on a BFTP?

I don't think it was released on any boot. I think it just showed up in a set of files that got shared. I hadn't heard how it got out to the public--it's listed as a "single on Paisley Park" on this discography of Heaven 17 members' contributions to other artists' works (http://www.heaven17.de/diot0009.htm), and this was up when the track first leaked to the Prince community, so I assumed that Ware fans already knew about the recording (though this is the only evidence I have for that). Obviously there was no Paisley Park release--but they did know the title and connected it to Jill, though no indication they knew it was a Prince song.

Interesting. Are we sure this info wasn't added last year, though? It's a bit insane that no one ever made the connection earlier if the info was known among H17 fans for a long time (though the 2 fans communities obviously have few connections, I'll give u that, and how they were led to believe this was ever released remains pretty odd). Have you finally found the file?

callimnate said:

PRNelson said:

callimnate said:

Lets not forget EVERY song that other artist have performed.

He would have a demo AT LEAST of every song that associated artists released.

So add another large percentage to that equation.

On a recent podcast, one of his past engineers said Prince often recorded over his original vocal with the associate artist's vocal. Meaning there would only be one copy (without princes vocal). Not sure if anybody can add more to this story or if copies of prince vocal versions could still somehow exist.

Leaks show that in many cases at least a cassette copy of P's vocals have survived. Could u point me towards that podcast?

BartVanHemelen said:

spookyelectric23 said:

Also, nowadays there's ways to clean up music with online recording software, "remastering" things, boosting the levels here, adjusting the treble or mid-range there..

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Do you seriously think there weren't Prince fans with access to (semi-)professional recording equipment in the past? FYI the boot of The Dream Factory was T's excellent work in cleaning up a cassette source. His 12" collection was and is legendary for its sound quality. There's several of such people and they've been around for a long time. Ditto for video work, hence the bootleg DVD versions of the 1985 Syracuse gig being as good or better than WBRs official release.

I'm sure there have been people who've cleaned up some of the unreleased stuff with their studio equipment and expertise. It's cool and a kindness that anyone would do that. It's easier nowadays to do all of that with the advent of digital recording on a laptop.

databank said:

jdcxc said:

Did the underground crowd know of the Deliverance EP material? The concert footage, studio jams, movies and other videos haven't leaked.

The song Deliverance was known to exist, yes. I don't think the others were.

leecaldon said:

databank said:

EddieC said:

I don't think it was released on any boot. I think it just showed up in a set of files that got shared. I hadn't heard how it got out to the public--it's listed as a "single on Paisley Park" on this discography of Heaven 17 members' contributions to other artists' works (http://www.heaven17.de/diot0009.htm), and this was up when the track first leaked to the Prince community, so I assumed that Ware fans already knew about the recording (though this is the only evidence I have for that). Obviously there was no Paisley Park release--but they did know the title and connected it to Jill, though no indication they knew it was a Prince song.

Interesting. Are we sure this info wasn't added last year, though? It's a bit insane that no one ever made the connection earlier if the info was known among H17 fans for a long time (though the 2 fans communities obviously have few connections, I'll give u that, and how they were led to believe this was ever released remains pretty odd). Have you finally found the file?

I don't know when the information was put on the site--didn't look for it until after the leak happened. What file are you asking about at the end? The Ware-produced 4 Lust? Yes--just listened to it again. Still like it. Or are you asking about something else?

EddieC said:

databank said:

Interesting. Are we sure this info wasn't added last year, though? It's a bit insane that no one ever made the connection earlier if the info was known among H17 fans for a long time (though the 2 fans communities obviously have few connections, I'll give u that, and how they were led to believe this was ever released remains pretty odd). Have you finally found the file?

I don't know when the information was put on the site--didn't look for it until after the leak happened. What file are you asking about at the end? The Ware-produced 4 Lust? Yes--just listened to it again. Still like it. Or are you asking about something else?

Yes it was that one