GET YO HAND OFFA HIM!!!!

Asenath0607 said:

IMO Prince wasn't "building his fan base"; he was expanding his fan base. Maybe it's just symantics, but to me building suggests that he didn't have a following. He had fans before 1999 and LRC. Anyway, I didn't go see PR because of his MTV videos, or the music, I went to see PR because I was obsessed with Prince.

That's me on the left.....Only in my imagination LOL

The parents were fighting because they don't get along. That's all you needed to know and glad they didn't spoonfeed every bit of backstory the audience, expecting them all to be really dumb and need all of that.

also, getting back to what I called timing, there are many films that I watch and plain don't get why they were so big a deal, recently watched the pink panther, god it was boring. but when it came out, spy shows and movies were the hottest thing cooking if i'm not mistaken.

1. His father was an unfufilled musician and a drinker who had a volatile marriage.

2. Rival bands jockying for the number one position in the club.

3. Vanity was supposed to be the lead actress but he had to settle for Appolonia instead.

And we went to see Purple Rain because .... not only did we love his funky music, we wanted to see that sexy, hot little thing on the big screen. He did things to us - ya'll don't even know !

PeteSilas said:

ChanGirl said:

1. His father was an unfufilled musician and a drinker who had a volatile marriage.

2. Rival bands jockying for the number one position in the club.

3. Vanity was supposed to be the lead actress but he had to settle for Appolonia instead.

And we went to see Purple Rain because .... not only did we love his funky music, we wanted to see that sexy, hot little thing on the big screen. He did things to us - ya'll don't even know !

he was cool and so mysterious, i never liked the cherry moon change of character, i preferred him as the loner, the misunderstood genius of the night with two crazy ass parents who were a mixed couple, my stepdad was black, my ma was white and they were crazy as fuck too, i could totally relate to the dude.

PeteSilas said:

ChanGirl said:

1. His father was an unfufilled musician and a drinker who had a volatile marriage.

2. Rival bands jockying for the number one position in the club.

3. Vanity was supposed to be the lead actress but he had to settle for Appolonia instead.

And we went to see Purple Rain because .... not only did we love his funky music, we wanted to see that sexy, hot little thing on the big screen. He did things to us - ya'll don't even know !

he was cool and so mysterious, i never liked the cherry moon change of character, i preferred him as the loner, the misunderstood genius of the night with two crazy ass parents who were a mixed couple, my stepdad was black, my ma was white and they were crazy as fuck too, i could totally relate to the dude.

Very true. And to this day, the scene where he takes the baseball bat and goes crazy has always felt like - to me - that he was venting his rage on everything that had happened to him in real life up to that point. Always makes me tear up.

NorthC said:

PeteSilas said:

also, getting back to what I called timing, there are many films that I watch and plain don't get why they were so big a deal, recently watched the pink panther, god it was boring. but when it came out, spy shows and movies were the hottest thing cooking if i'm not mistaken.

You mean the first Pink Panther film? Maybe you should try again. I also found it boring the first time, but the second time I watched it, it really made me laugh. Besides, any film with Claudia Cardinale in it can't be bad. [Edited 7/25/17 23:34pm]

the women were fine, sexy as hell, sad that one woman killed herself. I actually enjoyed the hbo bio of sellers more.

ChanGirl said:

PeteSilas said:

he was cool and so mysterious, i never liked the cherry moon change of character, i preferred him as the loner, the misunderstood genius of the night with two crazy ass parents who were a mixed couple, my stepdad was black, my ma was white and they were crazy as fuck too, i could totally relate to the dude.

Very true. And to this day, the scene where he takes the baseball bat and goes crazy has always felt like - to me - that he was venting his rage on everything that had happened to him in real life up to that point. Always makes me tear up.

ya, that might be the only "acting" part that was super convincing, i don't care what no one says about Morris, the only good actors in that movie were the pros, olga and clarence.

that is really an interesting pic, the ice cream shirt looks a little fey, but that's probably what he was going for. the most interesting thing is that he's with some dark skinned females at a time when he was just getting the idea of crossover in his head, straightening his hair and making the most of his light complexion. You know, I grew up all around black folks, I have to say, the impression i got off of Prince in the mid 80's was that he wasn't really quite like the black folk I knew, he seemed to be more of what my black stepdad used to call "whitiefied" and his music was that way too, however, as I learned later, when the rumours of an italian parent etc.., were proved false, he was a true product of black culture and it was so good to see him embrace that more and more as he got older.

kingricefan said:

GET YO HAND OFFA HIM!!!!

Asenath0607 said:

IMO Prince wasn't "building his fan base"; he was expanding his fan base. Maybe it's just symantics, but to me building suggests that he didn't have a following. He had fans before 1999 and LRC. Anyway, I didn't go see PR because of his MTV videos, or the music, I went to see PR because I was obsessed with Prince.

That's me on the left.....Only in my imagination LOL

PeteSilas said:

that is really an interesting pic, the ice cream shirt looks a little fey, but that's probably what he was going for. the most interesting thing is that he's with some dark skinned females at a time when he was just getting the idea of crossover in his head, straightening his hair and making the most of his light complexion. You know, I grew up all around black folks, I have to say, the impression i got off of Prince in the mid 80's was that he wasn't really quite like the black folk I knew, he seemed to be more of what my black stepdad used to call "whitiefied" and his music was that way too, however, as I learned later, when the rumours of an italian parent etc.., were proved false, he was a true product of black culture and it was so good to see him embrace that more and more as he got older.

kingricefan said:

GET YO HAND OFFA HIM!!!!

He was being a rebel of his time.

ya, he was, but i've said it before, he used to make me think of those wierd black kids who hung out with white kids, just wierd in everything they did, they talked wierd, they dressed wierd and even today, if you notice, it's always the black guys that hang out with white guys who do wierd shit with their hair, paint it blond or pink, dreads, or huge unkempt afros, i don't know why but they do. anyway, Prince was not like that, he wasn't, the only thing he might have had in common with some of those guys is the role of being a true outsider whereever he went.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

that is really an interesting pic, the ice cream shirt looks a little fey, but that's probably what he was going for. the most interesting thing is that he's with some dark skinned females at a time when he was just getting the idea of crossover in his head, straightening his hair and making the most of his light complexion. You know, I grew up all around black folks, I have to say, the impression i got off of Prince in the mid 80's was that he wasn't really quite like the black folk I knew, he seemed to be more of what my black stepdad used to call "whitiefied" and his music was that way too, however, as I learned later, when the rumours of an italian parent etc.., were proved false, he was a true product of black culture and it was so good to see him embrace that more and more as he got older.

He was being a rebel of his time.

PeteSilas said:

ya, he was, but i've said it before, he used to make me think of those wierd black kids who hung out with white kids, just wierd in everything they did, they talked wierd, they dressed wierd and even today, if you notice, it's always the black guys that hang out with white guys who do wierd shit with their hair, paint it blond or pink, dreads, or huge unkempt afros, i don't know why but they do. anyway, Prince was not like that, he wasn't, the only thing he might have had in common with some of those guys is the role of being a true outsider whereever he went.

morningsong said:

He was being a rebel of his time.

So being different is being weird? I think that was his whole rebel thing, with style.

morningsong said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, he was, but i've said it before, he used to make me think of those wierd black kids who hung out with white kids, just wierd in everything they did, they talked wierd, they dressed wierd and even today, if you notice, it's always the black guys that hang out with white guys who do wierd shit with their hair, paint it blond or pink, dreads, or huge unkempt afros, i don't know why but they do. anyway, Prince was not like that, he wasn't, the only thing he might have had in common with some of those guys is the role of being a true outsider whereever he went.

So being different is being weird? I think that was his whole rebel thing, with style.

the kind of guys i knew were wierd, one dude used to work at a donut shop, he was a punker, I still remember some real ghetto ass kids going up to a window looking at that fuckers hair and just laughing at him, the wierdo ran after them. Even today, look at the kinds of black guys who sound white, who hang out with white guys, who have white girlfriends, they always seem to have some wierd thing going on maybe to compensate for being different, i don't know, i've seen them in music but even more in the fight mma world i used to be a part of, black dudes with blonde hair, really soft types of black dudes too, not really your typical "fuck whitey" kind of brother but really submissive men, maybe because they've bought the idea of their own inferiority. Anyway, the only thing prince had in common was he definitely was an outsider and a wierdo, the rest of the stuff, Prince was from a black neighborhood, a black family, he might have had a tad bit more contact with white kids than most because of bussing but not much. He was anything but a weak submissive guy like the guys i've know who'll do anything to fit in.

PeteSilas said:

morningsong said:

So being different is being weird? I think that was his whole rebel thing, with style.

the kind of guys i knew were wierd, one dude used to work at a donut shop, he was a punker, I still remember some real ghetto ass kids going up to a window looking at that fuckers hair and just laughing at him, the wierdo ran after them. Even today, look at the kinds of black guys who sound white, who hang out with white guys, who have white girlfriends, they always seem to have some wierd thing going on maybe to compensate for being different, i don't know, i've seen them in music but even more in the fight mma world i used to be a part of, black dudes with blonde hair, really soft types of black dudes too, not really your typical "fuck whitey" kind of brother but really submissive men, maybe because they've bought the idea of their own inferiority. Anyway, the only thing prince had in common was he definitely was an outsider and a wierdo, the rest of the stuff, Prince was from a black neighborhood, a black family, he might have had a tad bit more contact with white kids than most because of bussing but not much. He was anything but a weak submissive guy like the guys i've know who'll do anything to fit in.

Some of that is universal and some of that is regional. For me growing up it wasn't quite as unusual even though some of those things were talked about, usually in hushed tones, it wasn't THAT weird to see it, yet there were some areas where it wasn't tolerated so much. It all depended on who you hung out with. I think that's why Spike and 'em in that panel were saying Prince may have been different if he grew up in NY or Baltimore or somewhere like that, the environment is different.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

It's like a porn movie, the plot makes no difference what so ever, it was a 2hr music video introducing prince to the masses. Could have been about absolutely anything as long as prince and his music were featured, the outcome and the legacy would be the same...in my opinion...

alxndrstff said:

3 - Appolonia was 90% tits and hair. She makes it clear she wants a shot of the Purple Jedi. Why wouldn't he?

That's not a love affair. It' not a reason to scream - "Do you want him, or do you want ME??" as loud as you can from a stage.....?!!

Prince never looked more buff, despite wearing vest with an ice cream cone.

Asenath0607 said:

IMO Prince wasn't "building his fan base"; he was expanding his fan base. Maybe it's just symantics, but to me building suggests that he didn't have a following. He had fans before 1999 and LRC. Anyway, I didn't go see PR because of his MTV videos, or the music, I went to see PR because I was obsessed with Prince.

That's me on the left.....Only in my imagination LOL

[Edited 7/31/17 10:51am]

Prince has said that The Beautiful Ones was written specifically for that scene. And the director has said that he asked Prince if he could do something for the montage that has When Doves Cry under it.

leecaldon said:

Prince has said that The Beautiful Ones was written specifically for that scene. And the director has said that he asked Prince if he could do something for the montage that has When Doves Cry under it.

And Vanity.....

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

It's like a porn movie, the plot makes no difference what so ever, it was a 2hr music video introducing prince to the masses. Could have been about absolutely anything as long as prince and his music were featured, the outcome and the legacy would be the same...in my opinion...

Prince looks like a super fine My Little Pony!

[Edited 7/31/17 18:00pm]

fortuneandserendipity said:

Prince never looked more buff, despite wearing vest with an ice cream cone.

Asenath0607 said:

IMO Prince wasn't "building his fan base"; he was expanding his fan base. Maybe it's just symantics, but to me building suggests that he didn't have a following. He had fans before 1999 and LRC. Anyway, I didn't go see PR because of his MTV videos, or the music, I went to see PR because I was obsessed with Prince.

That's me on the left.....Only in my imagination LOL

[Edited 7/31/17 10:51am]

Why was he so buffed??

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luvgirl said:

Prince looks like a super fine My Little Pony!

[Edited 7/31/17 18:00pm]

Ok, not only do I see it, but I hate you for pointing it out to me and now it's forever in my memory banks...GAH!!!

luvgirl said:

leecaldon said:

Prince has said that The Beautiful Ones was written specifically for that scene. And the director has said that he asked Prince if he could do something for the montage that has When Doves Cry under it.

And Vanity.....

I need to find the interview, but he was saying that there was no real life inspiration for that song. Of course, Prince could lie.

I've never understood why The Modernaires had a "secure" spot in Billy's 3-act lineup. If it were real life, why weren't they on the chopping block?

I get that it sets up the rivalry between The Revolution and The Time, but they don't even make mention of The Modernaires other than that one performance and Billy saying he had 3 acts already.

leecaldon said:

luvgirl said:

And Vanity.....

I need to find the interview, but he was saying that there was no real life inspiration for that song. Of course, Prince could lie.

Another thread, () but... Yes, he said that it wasn't anything carnal, but a few paragraphs before that, he explained who and what inspired it in detail. He said “Do you want him or do you want me,” that was written for that scene in Purple Rain specifically. Where Morris Day would be sitting with Apollonia, and there’d be this back and forth." Then he went on to highlight the lyrics that Vanity's departure inspired. He said, " And also, the beautiful ones, you always seem to lose. Vanity had just quit the movie" He mentioned her name in connection to those lyrics because her departure was the inspiration. Here is the article. https://www.facebook.com/...788385046/

Months later after that article was taken down - at vanity's tribute, Prince would even initiate that she inspired the song again when he stated: "She knows about this song" before singing it as a dedication to her. The 365 prince song article explains it. http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

[Edited 8/2/17 6:25am]

Se7en said:

I've never understood why The Modernaires had a "secure" spot in Billy's 3-act lineup. If it were real life, why weren't they on the chopping block?

I get that it sets up the rivalry between The Revolution and The Time, but they don't even make mention of The Modernaires other than that one performance and Billy saying he had 3 acts already.

The Modernaires didn't have a secure spot. Billy says (about the possibility of Appolonia 6 performing at First Avenue), "I already have three acts. I don't need four. That means one of y'll has got to go" - meaning The Revolution, The Time or The Modernaires. Morris is lobbying to get The Revolution tossed because The Kid is his main rival - and he wants to control two of the three regular spots at First Avenue with The Time and Appolonia 6.

He knows The Modernaires are no threat to his dominance, so he's not after them - for now, anyway.

I think the relationship issues between Prince's parents are plain to see. She calls him out on being controlling. I think that is the number one issue and why the relationship doesn't work.