BartVanHemelen said:

Germanegro said:

If funds are needed for startup costs of whatever engineering need be done to master tapes and establish a distribution system, use a Kickstarter fund to get this going.

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Are you seriously suggesting that fans need to pony up money in advance so the estate of a multi-millionaire pop star can start organizing and finalizing thousands of recordings? Seriously?

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"Hey, pay us so we can start working on getting that sweet sweet music out there in exchange for cheap tat!" Seriously?

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If that is too much for the organization to handle, find an independent label that would be willing to distribute this stuff under favorable terms--there are enough of them around.

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They'd need millions in advance funding. Like I've said before: only a major player has deep enough pockets.

This kind of thing actually happens today, the private funding of artists through donations, so, yes, this is a serious proposition. Millions to fix recorded tapes? OK. It might take a while if the estate doesn't establish another relationship with a Universal or some such big company. I think the estate could do it though, with the help of fans, who appear to feel particularly entitled--at least around this place! Or with the aid of a small ambitious label. This can work--it does work. Project by project--big copillations don't have to appear all at once.

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Maybe all of the people who holler about what they want, now that Prince is gone and no longer able to do the work to make these things happen, can open up their purses and wallets, to help get it done! Of course, you wouldn't need to do a thing, Bart! You know what you do best!

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Welcome to the New Dawn and play in the sunshine, peeps!

Big brother is watchin' u.

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

?!? Bootlegs have ALWAYS been DISCUSSED openly in the forums.

A people have revived cease and desist letters because of it. So it makes perfect sense to keep doing the same and expect the outcome to be different.

Nobody has recieved a cease & desist for discussing bootlegs because discussion is in no way illegal. Cease & Desists are sent to those that desiminate bootlegs. As no sharing is allowed in org forums, there is nothing to worry about here. This is however why all links and requests are SNIPPED by the mods.

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Don't tell the mods, but here's a link to some really clean boots.

http://highststyle.co.uk/...boots-.jpg

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Don't tell the mods, but here's a link to some really clean boots.

http://highststyle.co.uk/...boots-.jpg

OMG! Now that made me laugh.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said: A people have revived cease and desist letters because of it. So it makes perfect sense to keep doing the same and expect the outcome to be different.

Nobody has recieved a cease & desist for discussing bootlegs because discussion is in no way illegal. Cease & Desists are sent to those that desiminate bootlegs. As no sharing is allowed in org forums, there is nothing to worry about here. This is however why all links and requests are SNIPPED by the mods.

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People discuss boots and the people looking for them use that information to find who the bootleggers are. Why does this have to be explained to you? See the link to an article about this exact stituation I have also looked at copies of some C&D that went out from Rhonda Trotter. Do you think that they found out about these people and sitesby rubbing on a magic genie lamp. If people stop telling everything about the leaks no one would have to worry about anyone coming after anyone.

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

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HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

Don't tell the mods, but here's a link to some really clean boots.

http://highststyle.co.uk/...boots-.jpg

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

Nobody has recieved a cease & desist for discussing bootlegs because discussion is in no way illegal. Cease & Desists are sent to those that desiminate bootlegs. As no sharing is allowed in org forums, there is nothing to worry about here. This is however why all links and requests are SNIPPED by the mods.

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People discuss boots and the people looking for them use that information to find who the bootleggers are. Why does this have to be explained to you? See the link to the copies of some C&D that went out from Rhonda Trotter. Do you think that they found out about these people and site by rubbing on a magic genie lamp. If people stop telling everything about the leaks no one would have to worry about anyone coming after anyone.

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

Nothing has to be explained to me. Of course anyone who knows how to use google can find the links and of course discussions about boots make it easier to know what to look for. This is nothing new, and it never stopped us from TALKING about boots, not when Prince was alive and not now.

Anyone sharing bootlegs on an open public forum is asking to be shut down, regardless of whether we talk about them. Those that share privately have nothing to worry about, those that discuss boots have nothing to worry about.

Anyone who depends on those open public forums for their boots should worry as sooner or later their source will be gone, but, this is no reason for us to not discuss. We've been doing so from the beginning and boots keep coming. As long as we don't allow leaks or open sharing we're good.

If the org banned DISCUSSION of boots today, the websherriff types will still find out about them...

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

People discuss boots and the people looking for them use that information to find who the bootleggers are. Why does this have to be explained to you? See the link to the copies of some C&D that went out from Rhonda Trotter. Do you think that they found out about these people and site by rubbing on a magic genie lamp. If people stop telling everything about the leaks no one would have to worry about anyone coming after anyone.

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

Nothing has to be explained to me. Of course anyone who knows how to use google can find the links and of course discussions about boots make it easier to know what to look for. This is nothing new, and it never stopped us from TALKING about boots, not when Prince was alive and not now.

Anyone sharing bootlegs on an open public forum is asking to be shut down, regardless of whether we talk about them. Those that share privately have nothing to worry about, those that discuss boots have nothing to worry about.

Anyone who depends on those open public forums for their boots should worry as sooner or later their source will be gone, but, this is no reason for us to not discuss. We've been doing so from the beginning and boots keep coming. As long as we don't allow leaks or open sharing we're good.

If the org banned DISCUSSION of boots today, the websherriff types will still find out about them...

If the org banned discussions it might take a longer and be a lot harder to find them.

I think since the Org can ban other discussions that certainly involve nothing illegal ( somepeople are over sensitive ) at all they could ban discussions of boots. That is what org notes are for.

Germanegro said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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They'd need millions in advance funding. Like I've said before: only a major player has deep enough pockets.

This kind of thing actually happens today, the private funding of artists through donations, so, yes, this is a serious proposition.

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Like who? Please supply us with a list of rich artists who beg for money this way. Zach Braff did it once and was widely criticized.

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Millions to fix recorded tapes? OK. It might take a while if the estate doesn't establish another relationship with a Universal or some such big company. I think the estate could do it though, with the help of fans, who appear to feel particularly entitled--at least around this place!

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Nonsense. The costs involved would be far too great to get this fan-funded. Moreover, there is already a system in place: record companies. Expecting fans to pay for this in advance is lunacy.

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Or with the aid of a small ambitious label.

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Small labels do not have the finances to handle this.

laurarichardson said:

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

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That was a pathetic publicity stunt and no sane person bought it.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

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That was a pathetic publicity stunt and no sane person bought it.

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

BartVanHemelen said:

Germanegro said:

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Nonsense. The costs involved would be far too great to get this fan-funded. Moreover, there is already a system in place: record companies. Expecting fans to pay for this in advance is lunacy.

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Or with the aid of a small ambitious label.

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Small labels do not have the finances to handle this.

Pledge music and Sheila E is doing one right now. Wake Up.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

http://www.citypages.com/music/princes-lawyer-sends-3rd-eye-girl-cease-and-desist-letter-6645364

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That was a pathetic publicity stunt and no sane person bought it.

I didn't even bother to click on the link till you said this (because it's irrelevant) but, yeah, that wasn't real. Good catch, Bart!

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

Nothing has to be explained to me. Of course anyone who knows how to use google can find the links and of course discussions about boots make it easier to know what to look for. This is nothing new, and it never stopped us from TALKING about boots, not when Prince was alive and not now.

Anyone sharing bootlegs on an open public forum is asking to be shut down, regardless of whether we talk about them. Those that share privately have nothing to worry about, those that discuss boots have nothing to worry about.

Anyone who depends on those open public forums for their boots should worry as sooner or later their source will be gone, but, this is no reason for us to not discuss. We've been doing so from the beginning and boots keep coming. As long as we don't allow leaks or open sharing we're good.

If the org banned DISCUSSION of boots today, the websherriff types will still find out about them...

If the org banned discussions it might take a longer and be a lot harder to find them.

I think since the Org can ban other discussions that certainly involve nothing illegal ( somepeople are over sensitive ) at all they could ban discussions of boots. That is what org notes are for.

No, they still have googles. There's no reason to ban legitimate, legal, fan discussions. It would change nothing except for taking away the enjoyment many of us get by engaging in them.

Public sites will get busted and shut down, private sharing will continue, as it has ALWAYS been.

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laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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That was a pathetic publicity stunt and no sane person bought it.

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

The entire 3rdeyegirl "bootlegz for dayz" thing was a publicity stunt. Prince and 3rdEyeGirl were behind the whole thing. Next!

interrorgator said:

Peace to all,

Just notice at another forum that I belong to that the Prince Estate seems to be aware of the leaks & are going after people. Just want everyone to be careful.

Thank goodness for the bootleggers. The family is just sitting by watching these guys eat their lunch:

1. Montreaux 3 DVD set - the BEST looking videos ever. Amazing camera angles, amazing shows etc.

2. All these amazing out takes...Emotional Pump???? Come Home???? Wally????? These guys are doing a lot for Prince's legacy...to think he could shelve songs of this calibre or give them away ...

Prince left everything all ready to release. The man was even working on his last show as a live release....yet, the family has failed to capitalize. It is a shame and I no longer feel badly if guys like Ian Boxhill release stuff. Prince greatness deserves the attention.

I suspect the trouble the estate are going to have is keeping tight enough control on new releases, and not letting tracks leak the second they're taken out of the vault.

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The bootleggers clearly have some good sources, although I'm not sure if the new releases are just old copies finaly getting released, or new sources (since people have fresh access to Prince's Vault or WB's archive!?)

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Maybe they just want to try to stem the flow before more new releases!?

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laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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That was a pathetic publicity stunt and no sane person bought it.

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

I think that if someone is paying that attorney $800 an hour, then that lawyer will perform whatever shits & giggles their client wishes.

exactly!!!

darkroman said:

The fact that this forum is open makes it easy for anyone using Google to find references to leaks and boots.

This forum should be locked down with additional 'no bot' tags added.

There is no point drawing attention to such things - let the estate waste their time chasing YouTube users.

bluegangsta said:

TheEnglishGent said:

laurarichardson said:

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

I think that if someone is paying that attorney $800 an hour, then that lawyer will perform whatever shits & giggles their client wishes.

Yes, to go after bootleggers. You want PR you hire a PR person for a hell of a lot less.

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

Why was a cease and desist letter sent? How about the copies of the others that were sent out and Mrs.Trotter comments about them? Do you think an attorney that charges 800.00 hours has time to draft C&Ds for grins and giggles.

The entire 3rdeyegirl "bootlegz for dayz" thing was a publicity stunt. Prince and 3rdEyeGirl were behind the whole thing. Next!

What about the additional ones that filed later were they a PR stunt because you got people still bitching about that. The actual legal docs are on the net and they look real.

http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2007/prince-threatens-fansites-legal-action

http://www.citypages.com/arts/prince-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-le-petit-prince-creator-6588916

http://www.amdlawgroup.com/prince-rocks-the-courthouse-copyright-protection/

These C&D and lawsuits were not for PR purposes. It is just stupid to get discussing these boots on this site but go ahead and keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

laurarichardson said:

djThunderfunk said:

The entire 3rdeyegirl "bootlegz for dayz" thing was a publicity stunt. Prince and 3rdEyeGirl were behind the whole thing. Next!

What about the additional ones that filed later were they a PR stunt because you got people still bitching about that. The actual legal docs are on the net and they look real.

http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2007/prince-threatens-fansites-legal-action

http://www.citypages.com/arts/prince-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-le-petit-prince-creator-6588916

http://www.amdlawgroup.com/prince-rocks-the-courthouse-copyright-protection/

These C&D and lawsuits were not for PR purposes. It is just stupid to get discussing these boots on this site but go ahead and keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

Those other C&Ds were real, just not the other one you mentioned.

It's not stupid to discuss boots. Discussing boots on the org has never been the reason a site that shares them was shut down. Those that share files openly in public forums like google, facebook, youtube, etc. get shut down because they are easy to find. Those that share privately rarely get shut down.

Discussing the existence of bootlegs, here or elsewhere, does help them know what to look for, what is circulating, sure. So what? Always has, always will. But anybody will a search engine can find those open sites anyway. That is what gets them shut down.

The reason that I comment on this thread is that I feel the scramble for leaked bootlegs is a bit of an insane sideshow. People chase after second-source recordings that fare from crappy to okay while the possibility looms to have some excellent-quality, original stuff sourced straight from Prince's estate, were they to organize and launch their own projects. I mean, I understand chasing away the tedium of our days with some of this stuff, but I like to look to greater potentialities for the future.

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Re. Bart's anti-supportive stance toward movements of independent archival recording productions:

Germanegro said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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They'd need millions in advance funding. Like I've said before: only a major player has deep enough pockets.

This kind of thing actually happens today, the private funding of artists through donations, so, yes, this is a serious proposition.

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Like who? Please supply us with a list of rich artists who beg for money this way. Zach Braff did it once and was widely criticized.

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Millions to fix recorded tapes? OK. It might take a while if the estate doesn't establish another relationship with a Universal or some such big company. I think the estate could do it though, with the help of fans, who appear to feel particularly entitled--at least around this place!

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Nonsense. The costs involved would be far too great to get this fan-funded. Moreover, there is already a system in place: record companies. Expecting fans to pay for this in advance is lunacy.

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Or with the aid of a small ambitious label.

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Small labels do not have the finances to handle this.

This isn't about rich artists--Prince's estate is not a rich artist begging for money. Crowdfunding generates loads of cash for projects ranging from product development, filmmaking, musicians' recordings across the creative spectrum, video game production et al. I mean, the fund requestor's skills and abilities are the only limit to the range of projects that are requested for support; the campains offer passionate people who appreciate the kind of crafts and enterprises which they support an opportunity to make things materialize. Their contributions can supplement, and sometimes surpass the support that would (or not) be provided by a corporate entity. You can take a look around here (https://www.kickstarter.c...ost-funded) if you want to probe into the Kickstarter crowdfund that I mentioned. An example of one major film's funding project progress is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ost_funded, with feedback regarding the pursuit and effectiveness of crowdsourcing discussed by another filmmaker, here: https://www.buzzfeed.com/....knRazZAwD.

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There was a modest campain done by an independent record label that I supported earlier this season, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...for-imprec. They have some pretty sweet offerings to entice people's donations, BTW.

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An example of an archival recording restoration project for the Creative Music Studio archives, to preserve and digitize 400 recordings made by them between 1973 and 1984 is detailed here: https://www.kickstarter.c...-project-0.

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There's an example of one completed fund campaign for a Frank Zappa documentary, plus a vault preservation initiative, here: https://www.kickstarter.c...ref=2cldm3.

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If 1 million Prince fans were to donate one dollar to such a fund in a given month, for example that would give the estate 1 millon dollars to work with on tape preservation.

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They could add indexing, depending on their fund access. On the other hand, they could grab one set of reels and perhaps work on producing one original album.

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While it's true that hundreds of tape reels sit in the vault awaiting attention that altogether would be major-scale endeavor, it doesn't necessarily need to be handled in a big deal with a major player. Why not engage a series of smaller businesses and spread such industry throughout the broader, non-major-player community?

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There is more than one pragmatic way to handle these materials. Fans can help in the effort if the estate will consolidate their focus and organize. In the meanwhile, the estate will continue to pursue the bootleggers to try and keep them in check.

[Edited to add an example of a major audiotape restoration project that was crowdfunded + another recording project fund, for shits & giggles.]

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morningsong said:

Who snitched?

JoeyCococo said:

interrorgator said:

Peace to all,

Just notice at another forum that I belong to that the Prince Estate seems to be aware of the leaks & are going after people. Just want everyone to be careful.

Thank goodness for the bootleggers. The family is just sitting by watching these guys eat their lunch:

1. Montreaux 3 DVD set - the BEST looking videos ever. Amazing camera angles, amazing shows etc.

2. All these amazing out takes...Emotional Pump???? Come Home???? Wally????? These guys are doing a lot for Prince's legacy...to think he could shelve songs of this calibre or give them away ...

Prince left everything all ready to release. The man was even working on his last show as a live release....yet, the family has failed to capitalize. It is a shame and I no longer feel badly if guys like Ian Boxhill release stuff. Prince greatness deserves the attention.

They are all amazing. Im thinking this is already highly elite circulating stuff leaking. Obvs no one from the Estate would be doing this as of now. I'm sure in due time they will come up with some great reissues and repackaging, however all that is tied up in laws and contracts right now. No deal, no music. However, if they did they can take my money lol.

luv4u said:

scififilmnerd said:

Maybe it's the Estate who keeps org-noting me, asking where they can find all the new leaks?

Check the profile before responding. Newbie with hardly any posts? Nope. Oldie with hardly any posts? Again, no response. Might sound mean, but that's my stance.

looks like alot of Prince facebook pages are getting shutdown as well. The Prince Xperience for one is now gone..