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Reply #150 posted 07/17/17 7:35am

fen

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SquirrelMeat said:

purplethunder3121 said: audacity. IF you don't know it, it's free, fairly easy to learn and extremely versatile

I have used it for years. The only hassle is to export as an MP3 you need some extension...

You need Lame for Audacity, but it's not difficult to set up. As a side note, Lame is really worth learning if you regularly convert a lot of files between formats (flac/wav to mp3 etc) - you can batch convert entire folders etc.

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Reply #151 posted 07/17/17 7:35am

SPYZFAN1

It's a cool song and I like it, but it's not the epic masterpiece I thought it was going to be.

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Reply #152 posted 07/17/17 8:16am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

fen said:

I think that it probably retains enough to allow us to imagine what the original might have been like. I do like this version though.

just like I and others have said... just think about the 2 versions of "old friends 4 sale" the original is way way better than the meh that was released... and I have to say it is fair to assume the cassette copy is worlds better too....

Yes, I accept the "Old Friends 4 Sale" analogy and don't doubt that this is a somewhat sanitised and probably inferior version.

I've never really bought into the “Wally” myth to be honest. Susan has always rated “Moonbeam Levels” highly and I've never been a huge fan of that track, so my expectations may have been lower than others here. As I said, I'm surprised by how much I like it – lyrics aside, I find it quite interesting musically.

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Reply #153 posted 07/17/17 8:25am

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ufoclub said:

This isn't the legendary original version of "Wally" is it? It's the re-recorded version where he changed it for the worse according to Susan Rogers, right? Or am I mixing up the story?


No you're correct, it's just that the distinction seems to have been elided somewhat in this thread.


How much of a distinction is it worth making? If he re-recorded the song the day after the original recording, it may not differ much. Susan Rogers says that the "tone" of this version is different, whatever that means, and some instrumentation. But she also seem to believe that this version was recorded in 91, which it clearly isn't. I think she's backpeddling a little bit. She has hyped this song for so many years, and now that the song is in the hands of the fans and we can judge for ourselves, she's afraid to be called out by fans saying the song isn't all that. Having said that I think the song is fantastic.
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Reply #154 posted 07/17/17 8:30am

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FTR I'm aware it isn't the first take that was too personal and erased in my criticism of it
What would we do without all these jerks anyway? Besides, all our friends are here.
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Reply #155 posted 07/17/17 8:51am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

It's a cool song and I like it, but it's not the epic masterpiece I thought it was going to be.

but you have not heard the one Susan talks about...

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Reply #156 posted 07/17/17 8:53am

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Thewooh said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:
No you're correct, it's just that the distinction seems to have been elided somewhat in this thread.
How much of a distinction is it worth making? If he re-recorded the song the day after the original recording, it may not differ much. Susan Rogers says that the "tone" of this version is different, whatever that means, and some instrumentation. But she also seem to believe that this version was recorded in 91, which it clearly isn't. I think she's backpeddling a little bit. She has hyped this song for so many years, and now that the song is in the hands of the fans and we can judge for ourselves, she's afraid to be called out by fans saying the song isn't all that. Having said that I think the song is fantastic.

yeah someone told me it was done in 91 and I just let it go... but sorry NO WAY this is from 91... now maybe he worked on it some in 91 but I doubt this was that version...

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Reply #157 posted 07/17/17 9:14am

Knightoflight

I do appreciate guys who helped the world with recent leaks! Thank U a million

But if the Wally released is what lots of people were etnhusiastic - then I`ve been screwed sad

This song is primitive and stupid

Prince put zero effort in creating it. This song is so poor and...let me unheard it sad censored confuse confuse confuse confuse confuse

No, don`t get me wrong: there is lots of orchestration and interesting things musically and rythmically.

If comparing to woman (excuse me for sexism) - but it sounds like old hooter had been loaded with drugs, dressed in Vercace cloth and sent ot the forest sad

For the record - other tracks are amazing

[Edited 7/17/17 9:17am]

[Edited 7/17/17 9:18am]

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Reply #158 posted 07/17/17 9:38am

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Knightoflight said:

This song is primitive and stupid

If comparing to woman (excuse me for sexism) - but it sounds like old hooter had been loaded with drugs, dressed in Vercace cloth and sent ot the forest sad

You what?

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Reply #159 posted 07/17/17 9:39am

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fen said:

Knightoflight said:

This song is primitive and stupid

If comparing to woman (excuse me for sexism) - but it sounds like old hooter had been loaded with drugs, dressed in Vercace cloth and sent ot the forest sad

You what?




falloff

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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Reply #160 posted 07/17/17 10:11am

Knightoflight

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fen said:

You what?




falloff

For real. This song is a mix of "quazi-jazz", cyncopa rythms and amazing solo starting at 03:32

Was it supposed to be that way? I highly doubt

It is like cancer to my eyes. I have listened to it ten times - and still my ears are bleeding sad((((

Prince was right not to release certain songs

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Reply #161 posted 07/17/17 10:14am

Knightoflight

fen said:

Knightoflight said:

This song is primitive and stupid

If comparing to woman (excuse me for sexism) - but it sounds like old hooter had been loaded with drugs, dressed in Vercace cloth and sent ot the forest sad

You what?

for hooters I meant these smile)

https://www.hooters.com/hooters-girls/calendar/

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Reply #162 posted 07/17/17 10:53am

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Knightoflight said:

RodeoSchro said:




falloff

For real. This song is a mix of "quazi-jazz", cyncopa rythms and amazing solo starting at 03:32

Was it supposed to be that way? I highly doubt

It is like cancer to my eyes. I have listened to it ten times - and still my ears are bleeding sad((((

Prince was right not to release certain songs




I've only listened to it once but while I wouldn't call it "cancer", I do agree Prince was right not to release this.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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Reply #163 posted 07/17/17 10:56am

leadline

People on this forum are saying the full non truncated version is out there. Any truth to this?


"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #164 posted 07/17/17 11:12am

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riend

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Thewooh said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:
No you're correct, it's just that the distinction seems to have been elided somewhat in this thread.
How much of a distinction is it worth making? If he re-recorded the song the day after the original recording, it may not differ much. Susan Rogers says that the "tone" of this version is different, whatever that means, and some instrumentation. But she also seem to believe that this version was recorded in 91, which it clearly isn't. I think she's backpeddling a little bit. She has hyped this song for so many years, and now that the song is in the hands of the fans and we can judge for ourselves, she's afraid to be called out by fans saying the song isn't all that. Having said that I think the song is fantastic.

You could well be right that it's not that different but it's hard to say really. My interpretation of what Susan Rogers said was that Prince felt the original take was far too emotionally devastating and so in his rerecording he decided to dilute that considerably by injecting more levity into the tone of his performance and adding lots more instrumentation. Having listened to this version I could well believe that a stripped down, rawer version of this song, with Prince playing it relatively straight instead of joking around, could be incredibly powerful. I could well be completely wrong but sadly we'll never really know. I'm just glad that we finally get to hear a version of this song and like you I think this rendition of it is great as well.

[Edited 7/17/17 11:14am]

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Always cry for love, never cry for pain...
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Reply #165 posted 07/17/17 11:18am

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fen said:

Knightoflight said:

This song is primitive and stupid

If comparing to woman (excuse me for sexism) - but it sounds like old hooter had been loaded with drugs, dressed in Vercace cloth and sent ot the forest sad

You what?

Laura is the one.

Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #166 posted 07/17/17 11:40am

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BoraBora said:



I have to be honest..... in my opinion this is one of the times in which the myth surpasses the real thing.

If released back in the time in SOTT, I think "Wally" would be regarded now as one of the lesser songs of the album.

Nice little song, but not a lost masterpiece and surely nothing deserving the fuss of all these years.
We have many many better P songs, obviously official released tracks but also unreleased outtakes.

Just my opinion.

Totally agree with this ^

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Reply #167 posted 07/17/17 11:52am

Knightoflight

Telecaster5 said:

BoraBora said:



I have to be honest..... in my opinion this is one of the times in which the myth surpasses the real thing.

If released back in the time in SOTT, I think "Wally" would be regarded now as one of the lesser songs of the album.

Nice little song, but not a lost masterpiece and surely nothing deserving the fuss of all these years.
We have many many better P songs, obviously official released tracks but also unreleased outtakes.

Just my opinion.

Totally agree with this ^

weed

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Reply #168 posted 07/17/17 11:58am

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Seems like it could be ok, hard to tell. Sounds like it's been recorded over the air from some speakers with a microphone.

RIP sad
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Reply #169 posted 07/17/17 12:05pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

Seems like it could be ok, hard to tell. Sounds like it's been recorded over the air from some speakers with a microphone.


have to agree. tried it a few more times but i can't enjoy it since the quality is so bad.

having said that, i do appreciate it a lot that people shared it nod


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Reply #170 posted 07/17/17 12:06pm

fen

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RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Thewooh said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said: How much of a distinction is it worth making? If he re-recorded the song the day after the original recording, it may not differ much. Susan Rogers says that the "tone" of this version is different, whatever that means, and some instrumentation. But she also seem to believe that this version was recorded in 91, which it clearly isn't. I think she's backpeddling a little bit. She has hyped this song for so many years, and now that the song is in the hands of the fans and we can judge for ourselves, she's afraid to be called out by fans saying the song isn't all that. Having said that I think the song is fantastic.

You could well be right that it's not that different but it's hard to say really. My interpretation of what Susan Rogers said was that Prince felt the original take was far too emotionally devastating and so in his rerecording he decided to dilute that considerably by injecting more levity into the tone of his performance and adding lots more instrumentation. Having listened to this version I could well believe that a stripped down, rawer version of this song, with Prince playing it relatively straight instead of joking around, could be incredibly powerful. I could well be completely wrong but sadly we'll never really know. I'm just glad that we finally get to hear a version of this song and like you I think this rendition of it is great as well.

[Edited 7/17/17 11:14am]



I agree with this entirely. That said, musically this version doesn’t sound particularly busy or over-elaborate to me.

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Reply #171 posted 07/17/17 12:10pm

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airth said:

purplethunder3121 said:

What program can you use to do that?


I did it in Audacity. I also think it sounds more natural 5% slower.

Back in the day, though, I'm pretty sure my turntable and tape deck used to play all my Prince stuff at the wrong speeds.

Yeah, pitch change wasn't having the right effect. It sounds like the source is more of a speed/tape issue. It doesn't sound either 'Camille' or standard on the leak.

Anywhere between 4.5% and 5.5% speed reduction sounded more natural, but of course we don't know for sure.

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Reply #172 posted 07/17/17 12:11pm

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Suzanne and Quest said it was supposed to be the most personally revealing thing he ever made. Making himself out as a pathetic manipulative looser. I'm not hearing this in it's current form.
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Reply #173 posted 07/17/17 12:21pm

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Avoiding the hype train (with some difficulty due to the past hyperbole for this track), I appreciate it for what it is & like it a lot.

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Sylistically it reminds me of the much later Man Opera from the Deliverance EP. I love hearing Prince where he's channeling the muse without any pop pretensions, in more experimental ways.

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prince yes wildsign

"..free to change your mind"
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Reply #174 posted 07/17/17 2:17pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Knightoflight said:

For real. This song is a mix of "quazi-jazz", cyncopa rythms and amazing solo starting at 03:32

Was it supposed to be that way? I highly doubt

It is like cancer to my eyes. I have listened to it ten times - and still my ears are bleeding sad((((

Prince was right not to release certain songs




I've only listened to it once but while I wouldn't call it "cancer", I do agree Prince was right not to release this



Truth! nod

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and for that, I am eternally grateful....IDF
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Reply #175 posted 07/17/17 2:57pm

Knightoflight

thx185 said:

Avoiding the hype train (with some difficulty due to the past hyperbole for this track), I appreciate it for what it is & like it a lot.

.

Sylistically it reminds me of the much later Man Opera from the Deliverance EP. I love hearing Prince where he's channeling the muse without any pop pretensions, in more experimental ways.

.

prince yes wildsign

what are you talking about?

Has there been Deluxe version of Deliverance with extra tracks?

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Reply #176 posted 07/17/17 3:48pm

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Whatever the quality , first or second version.
I can truly hear Prince's heartbroken pain.
The words are perfect.
The music is to die for. Really. What a great track.
It needs so much more listenings.
There's a sofisticated great structure in it. All the breaks, fill ins...
He certainly overdid this version. Thát ís the pain. The exaggeration...
the unanswered love. The silliness and the genius.
Singing about the finest pair of glasses... Wonderful Prince.
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I don't need any more new tracks for now. I'll remaster it myself as far as possible, slow it down a bit in tune...
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One day there will be a better quality I'm sure. This is a teaser.
Wait and enjoy.
I love Prince's music.
“My body reeks with lust, I will rape you if i must.”
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Reply #177 posted 07/17/17 4:46pm

EddieC

Knightoflight said:

thx185 said:

Avoiding the hype train (with some difficulty due to the past hyperbole for this track), I appreciate it for what it is & like it a lot.

.

Sylistically it reminds me of the much later Man Opera from the Deliverance EP. I love hearing Prince where he's channeling the muse without any pop pretensions, in more experimental ways.

.

prince yes wildsign

what are you talking about?

Has there been Deluxe version of Deliverance with extra tracks?

The full EP as Boxill intended to release it before the estate got their injunction. There was Deliverance itself, followed by something referred to as the "Man Opera" which consisted of four "songs" (actually interconnected ideas lyrically and musically): I Am (no connection to the Elisa Fiorillo track), Touch Me, Sunrise Sunset, No One Else. There Was also an I Am (Extended), tacked on at the end. I don't remember how the whole set actually got out, since the injunction happened before anything other than Deliverance itself was for sale, but it's circulating.

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Reply #178 posted 07/17/17 4:50pm

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RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Thewooh said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said: How much of a distinction is it worth making? If he re-recorded the song the day after the original recording, it may not differ much. Susan Rogers says that the "tone" of this version is different, whatever that means, and some instrumentation. But she also seem to believe that this version was recorded in 91, which it clearly isn't. I think she's backpeddling a little bit. She has hyped this song for so many years, and now that the song is in the hands of the fans and we can judge for ourselves, she's afraid to be called out by fans saying the song isn't all that. Having said that I think the song is fantastic.

You could well be right that it's not that different but it's hard to say really. My interpretation of what Susan Rogers said was that Prince felt the original take was far too emotionally devastating and so in his rerecording he decided to dilute that considerably by injecting more levity into the tone of his performance and adding lots more instrumentation. Having listened to this version I could well believe that a stripped down, rawer version of this song, with Prince playing it relatively straight instead of joking around, could be incredibly powerful. I could well be completely wrong but sadly we'll never really know. I'm just glad that we finally get to hear a version of this song and like you I think this rendition of it is great as well.

[Edited 7/17/17 11:14am]

I actually think the joking around makes the song work--it's the swings between the put-on and the real emotions that create the illusion of honesty in the song.

Clearly there are widely varying positions on this one, but it works for me.

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Reply #179 posted 07/17/17 6:17pm

emesem

Absolutely love it. Its not the original Old Friends for Sale level but damn its good. It could never match the build up/myth but I can hear what Susan might of heard in the lost recording.

When he mimics the girlfriend "will maybe I do, just not like I did" its heartbreaking in that there is this anger underneath the sadness (or sadness underneath the anger)

[Edited 7/17/17 18:18pm]

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