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Thread started 06/25/17 2:02pm

tmcjb

Would the original PR tracklist have worked?

So since Father's Song was released and Wednesday leaked, we have heard all the tracks from the original tracklisting of Purple Rain:

November 7, 1983 configuration
  • Side one
  1. "Let's Go Crazy" (Full length version) - 7:37
  2. "The Beautiful Ones"
  3. "Computer Blue" (Longer edit) - 7:23
  4. "Darling Nikki"
  5. "Wednesday"
  • Side two
  1. "Purple Rain"
  2. "I Would Die 4 U"
  3. "Baby I'm a Star"
  4. "Father's Song"

So my question is, if When Doves Cry/Take Me With U never existed, and this was the final tracklisting, do you think the album/movie would have been as much of a cultural icon as it is today?

"Like the drummer said, you got to die."
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Reply #1 posted 06/25/17 2:24pm

IstenSzek

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don't like it. and when doves cry was a #1 hit so that song had a lot
to do with driving the succes behind the whole vehicle.


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Reply #2 posted 06/25/17 3:12pm

Silvertongue7

I find Wednesday to be the weakest track ever associated with Purple Rain (including all the deluxe tracks). I love Father's Song, but it's not WDC. So it would have still been a great album, but the one we got is much better.
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Reply #3 posted 06/25/17 3:47pm

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tmcjb said:

So since Father's Song was released and Wednesday leaked, we have heard all the tracks from the original tracklisting of Purple Rain:

November 7, 1983 configuration
  • Side one
  1. "Let's Go Crazy" (Full length version) - 7:37
  2. "The Beautiful Ones"
  3. "Computer Blue" (Longer edit) - 7:23
  4. "Darling Nikki"
  5. "Wednesday"
  • Side two
  1. "Purple Rain"
  2. "I Would Die 4 U"
  3. "Baby I'm a Star"
  4. "Father's Song"

So my question is, if When Doves Cry/Take Me With U never existed, and this was the final tracklisting, do you think the album/movie would have been as much of a cultural icon as it is today?

The music in general was/is electric alive and still so ahead of it's time.

Take Me With U would have still existed, but on the Vanity 6/Apollonia 6 album

If they were able to release a 'Soundtrack' album Wednesday would have worked better on that.
Wasn't that scene right before Take Me With U? When JJ present the tape to the Kid?

I don't think tha configuration would have been the best in that is not how it played out in the move. Father's Song in the script was still right before Computer Blue

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Reply #4 posted 06/25/17 4:33pm

imprimis

Not a credible tracklist, and an unfortunate example of deficient research.

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This is merely an assembly of the material submitted for use in the impending film project, for review by the producers and corporate interests, about two weeks before principal photography began.

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Sequenced with respect to presentation requirements and space limitations.

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Anyone who believes this config. seriously was about to be committed to (consumer) vinyl needs to be committed themselves.

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[Edited 6/25/17 16:44pm]

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Reply #5 posted 06/25/17 5:28pm

tmcjb

imprimis said:

Anyone who believes this config. seriously was about to be committed to (consumer) vinyl needs to be committed themselves.

[Edited 6/25/17 16:44pm]

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Reply #6 posted 06/26/17 1:00am

novabrkr

I'm not sure if we've really heard "Wednesday" and "Father's Song" in their proper form. Both sound like demos that just give some idea what the final recording could sound like.

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Reply #7 posted 06/26/17 1:41am

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tmcjb said:

So since Father's Song was released and Wednesday leaked, we have heard all the tracks from the original tracklisting of Purple Rain:

November 7, 1983 configuration
  • Side one
  1. "Let's Go Crazy" (Full length version) - 7:37
  2. "The Beautiful Ones"
  3. "Computer Blue" (Longer edit) - 7:23
  4. "Darling Nikki"
  5. "Wednesday"
  • Side two
  1. "Purple Rain"
  2. "I Would Die 4 U"
  3. "Baby I'm a Star"
  4. "Father's Song"

So my question is, if When Doves Cry/Take Me With U never existed, and this was the final tracklisting, do you think the album/movie would have been as much of a cultural icon as it is today?

No.

The above configuration is good but it evolved for the better. Don't get me wrong, I love the longer versions of LGC and Computer Blue (and The Beatutiful Ones for that matter but Purple Rain, as released, was pretty perfect - not an ounce of fat, not an ounce of filler...

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Reply #8 posted 06/26/17 2:12pm

Transformed1

When did Wednesday leak??? eek

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Reply #9 posted 06/26/17 2:29pm

Silvertongue7

Transformed1 said:

When did Wednesday leak??? eek


Jill Jones got crossed last Friday and leaked it, together with two other tracks.
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Reply #10 posted 06/26/17 2:33pm

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What i don't understand is why it was so short when he has all these other tracks now on disc 2 he could have also released!

Maybe to create more impact? But even so...leaving such amazing tracks off?!

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Reply #11 posted 06/26/17 3:05pm

emesem

No it wouldnt. WDC is of course an epic, universally appealing song and Take Me With You is somewhat magical in its shimmering glory with Apolonia's out of tune vocals that make it adorable.

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Reply #12 posted 06/27/17 6:27am

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Silvertongue7 said:

Transformed1 said:

When did Wednesday leak??? eek

Jill Jones got crossed last Friday and leaked it, together with two other tracks.



Jill's version is so sweet and playful.

LOVE IT!


lol lol

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Reply #13 posted 06/27/17 7:06am

partyup77

Not as well as the final masterpiece. I am so glad Wednesday leaked. Its a cute little song but doesn't live up to the fantasy I created in my head over it.

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Reply #14 posted 06/27/17 8:23am

Silvertongue7

partyup77 said:

Not as well as the final masterpiece. I am so glad Wednesday leaked. Its a cute little song but doesn't live up to the fantasy I created in my head over it.


I agree 100%. It could have talked he place of Velvet Kitty Cat in the deluxe disc, but it's not a big problem that it didn't...
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Reply #15 posted 06/27/17 8:29am

PURPLEIZED3121

no! love the play on words with 'Whens Day' [genius!] BUT what a bloody travesty of a song that is!

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Reply #16 posted 06/27/17 8:44am

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

What i don't understand is why it was so short when he has all these other tracks now on disc 2 he could have also released!

Maybe to create more impact? But even so...leaving such amazing tracks off?!


Because of the limitations of vinyl. You can only get about 22 mins per side. The album comes in at 43:51. I can't imagine Warner Bros would have ever agreed to a double album to get more material on.

Anyway, I think Purple Rain was pretty much perfect for the time. Now, I just wish it had been released with the full versions of Let's Go Crazy and Computer Blue.

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Reply #17 posted 06/28/17 1:12pm

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airth said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

What i don't understand is why it was so short when he has all these other tracks now on disc 2 he could have also released!

Maybe to create more impact? But even so...leaving such amazing tracks off?!


Because of the limitations of vinyl. You can only get about 22 mins per side. The album comes in at 43:51. I can't imagine Warner Bros would have ever agreed to a double album to get more material on.

Anyway, I think Purple Rain was pretty much perfect for the time. Now, I just wish it had been released with the full versions of Let's Go Crazy and Computer Blue.

I could bring up in this context that the sound quality gets worse towards the end of each side on an LP. I think that's the reason why side A on Purple Rain has a "noisy track" at the end ("Darling Nikki") and side B ends with just some string parts and audience noise (the outro of "Purple Rain"). I think Prince took that factor into account when choosing the material for ATWIAD and Parade as well.

When people come up with their own "fantasy tracklists" they seldom take that type of factors into account. Prince also seemed to be in the habit of ensuring that the both sides on the tape releases were about the same length, so the listener could easily just flip the tape when a side ended.

[Edited 6/28/17 13:17pm]

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Reply #18 posted 06/28/17 3:38pm

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novabrkr said:

airth said:


Because of the limitations of vinyl. You can only get about 22 mins per side. The album comes in at 43:51. I can't imagine Warner Bros would have ever agreed to a double album to get more material on.

Anyway, I think Purple Rain was pretty much perfect for the time. Now, I just wish it had been released with the full versions of Let's Go Crazy and Computer Blue.

I could bring up in this context that the sound quality gets worse towards the end of each side on an LP. I think that's the reason why side A on Purple Rain has a "noisy track" at the end ("Darling Nikki") and side B ends with just some string parts and audience noise (the outro of "Purple Rain"). I think Prince took that factor into account when choosing the material for ATWIAD and Parade as well.

When people come up with their own "fantasy tracklists" they seldom take that type of factors into account. Prince also seemed to be in the habit of ensuring that the both sides on the tape releases were about the same length, so the listener could easily just flip the tape when a side ended.

[Edited 6/28/17 13:17pm]


i never knew that. very interesting cool

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