After seeing these inflated fees the document at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ration.pdf makes one wonder about the quality of the work delivered in exchange for these inflated fees.

morningsong said:

I found this very interesting article about how making money in the Music Industry has become increasingly difficult..

its Dated 2012

THrought out the course of this thread Its become vey clear to me and a few others as to what Princes intentions were regarding the ongoing Growth and maintinence of his legacy

Reading this confirmed what I believe to me...

Movie and TV Licensing

One Song can reap 250.000 + in a B Grade Movie !!

If one of Princes songs landed in an Academy Award winning Movie, Adore for example

well......kerching

I am convinced that Prince set up NPG Music Publishing with the intention of creating

a steady and relatively easy income stream

and at the same time filtering his music into the mainstream.

Under the publishing house Licensing is Easily managed,

you dont nead a huge team of staff

Easier to Achieve than Album sales, where there is lots of marketing invlolved, (even though right now Princes Fans would cannibalise whatever comes to the market no reason for this not to go on simultaneously anyway Album Sales are another revenus stream on there own).

There is much more money to be made by gooming new fans...hearing the Music at a street level, interwoven with our Artistic and Cultural expression is

virtually like putting stock "on the Market" and sitting back collecting it return.

This will eventually drive more album sales downloads etc.

I also believe, the evidence is there, that he was intending to direct this income into social causes.

He was scaling thing back..he had no need for Mountains of money for his personal self,those days

were coming to a close.

It would be interesting to Know how much "Fallin in Love TOnight" has collected.

Edited for typos

[Edited 8/15/17 3:50am]

Lovejunky said:

I found this very interesting article about how making money in the Music Industry has become increasingly difficult..

its Dated 2012

THrought out the course of this thread Its become vey clear to me and a few others as to what Princes intentions were regarding the ongoing Growth and maintinence of his legacy

Reading this confirmed what I believe to me...

Movie and TV Licensing

Low CD sales have prevented artists from making as much money off publishing royalties as they used to – but licensing fees from movies, commercials and TV shows from The O.C. to Breaking Bad have picked up some of the slack. One top music-business source estimates that Green Day made hundreds of thousands of dollars by licensing "99 Revolutions," from their upcoming album !Tre!, for the end-credits of the recent Will Ferrell-Zach Galifianakis political farce The Campaign.

Potential payday: $250,000-$600,000. About half usually goes to the performer, with the other half going to whoever owns the song's publishing rights.

Downsides: This can sometimes be a tough decision for an artist: will we ultimately do better by breaking our new song in a movie, or doing it the old-fashioned way on the radio? But that's a pretty good problem to have.

One Song can reap 250.000 + in a B Grade Movie !!

If one of Princes songs landed in an Academy Award winning Movie, Adore for example

well......kerching

I am convinced that Prince set up NPG Music Publishing with the intention of creating

a steady and relatively easy income stream

and at the same time filtering his music into the mainstream.

Under the publishing house Licensing is Easily managed,

you dont nead a huge team of staff

Easier to Achieve than Album sales, where there is lots of marketing invlolved, (even though right now Princes Fans would cannibalise whatever comes to the market no reason for this not to go on simultaneously anyway Album Sales are another revenus stream on there own).

There is much more money to be made by gooming new fans...hearing the Music at a street level, interwoven with our Artistic and Cultural expression is

virtually like putting stock "on the Market" and sitting back collecting it return.

This will eventually drive more album sales downloads etc.

I also believe, the evidence is there, that he was intending to direct this income into social causes.

He was scaling thing back..he had no need for Mountains of money for his personal self,those days

were coming to a close.

It would be interesting to Know how much "Fallin in Love TOnight" has collected.

Edited for typos

[Edited 8/15/17 3:50am]

I believe you are correct. I believe he would have continued to tour just more mellow music and not so much jumping around with less shows. Moving everything into the LLC was a way to license out the music under one corporation and the royatlites and fees could have gone to his charitible causes.

He was almost 60 years old and I am sure he was looking to scale back in the next decade of his life.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I found this very interesting article about how making money in the Music Industry has become increasingly difficult..

its Dated 2012

THrought out the course of this thread Its become vey clear to me and a few others as to what Princes intentions were regarding the ongoing Growth and maintinence of his legacy

Reading this confirmed what I believe to me...

One Song can reap 250.000 + in a B Grade Movie !!

If one of Princes songs landed in an Academy Award winning Movie, Adore for example

well......kerching

I am convinced that Prince set up NPG Music Publishing with the intention of creating

a steady and relatively easy income stream

and at the same time filtering his music into the mainstream.

Under the publishing house Licensing is Easily managed,

you dont nead a huge team of staff

Easier to Achieve than Album sales, where there is lots of marketing invlolved, (even though right now Princes Fans would cannibalise whatever comes to the market no reason for this not to go on simultaneously anyway Album Sales are another revenus stream on there own).

There is much more money to be made by gooming new fans...hearing the Music at a street level, interwoven with our Artistic and Cultural expression is

virtually like putting stock "on the Market" and sitting back collecting it return.

This will eventually drive more album sales downloads etc.

I also believe, the evidence is there, that he was intending to direct this income into social causes.

He was scaling thing back..he had no need for Mountains of money for his personal self,those days

were coming to a close.

It would be interesting to Know how much "Fallin in Love TOnight" has collected.

Edited for typos

[Edited 8/15/17 3:50am]

I believe you are correct. I believe he would have continued to tour just more mellow music and not so much jumping around with less shows. Moving everything into the LLC was a way to license out the music under one corporation and the royatlites and fees could have gone to his charitible causes.

He was almost 60 years old and I am sure he was looking to scale back in the next decade of his life.

I wonder if the Estate can see what we do ?

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe you are correct. I believe he would have continued to tour just more mellow music and not so much jumping around with less shows. Moving everything into the LLC was a way to license out the music under one corporation and the royatlites and fees could have gone to his charitible causes.

He was almost 60 years old and I am sure he was looking to scale back in the next decade of his life.

I wonder if the Estate can see what we do ?

I think they can. The best option for making money is from licensing and fees. Prince put a business in place to do it and I would not be surprised to see his songs turning up in movies and shows. We know it is going to be used in Empire so that is some money coming in to the estate.

Spike Lee said he is using a lot of Prince music in his Netflix show "She Got To Have It"

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I wonder if the Estate can see what we do ?

I think they can. The best option for making money is from licensing and fees. Prince put a business in place to do it and I would not be surprised to see his songs turning up in movies and shows. We know it is going to be used in Empire so that is some money coming in to the estate.

Spike Lee said he is using a lot of Prince music in his Netflix show "She Got To Have It"

This makes me feel very happy...

He really is something special..

I do believe also his music can be very healing for thr world.

It has been for me.....

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I wonder if the Estate can see what we do ?

I think they can. The best option for making money is from licensing and fees. Prince put a business in place to do it and I would not be surprised to see his songs turning up in movies and shows. We know it is going to be used in Empire so that is some money coming in to the estate.

Spike Lee said he is using a lot of Prince music in his Netflix show "She Got To Have It"

Didn't the press release in 2014 by Prince, in essence allude to that? The possibility of his music being used in movies and so forth:

“NPG Music Publishing is now actively seeking placement for some of Prince’s best-loved songs in film, television, video games and the commercial realm,” the release added. The company’s first major placement was Prince’s new single “FALLINLOVE2NITE” on Fox’s “New Girl.”

Link: https://michronicleonline...c-catalog/

Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters said in an interview that artists make their money touring now - there is no money in record sales or streaming of any type. I think you can add in merchandise sales to the mix - God knows those $45 to $50 tee shirts disappear at shows. But this is a very good point about use in movies, TV, etc. Some of us have been talking about that for over a year: it would make money for the estate and also keep Prince's legacy alive so he would not be forgot by the non-hardcore fans.

nelcp777 said:

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I think they can. The best option for making money is from licensing and fees. Prince put a business in place to do it and I would not be surprised to see his songs turning up in movies and shows. We know it is going to be used in Empire so that is some money coming in to the estate.

Spike Lee said he is using a lot of Prince music in his Netflix show "She Got To Have It"

This makes me feel very happy...

He really is something special..

I do believe also his music can be very healing for thr world.

It has been for me.....

Can't Wait to see!

Astasheiks said:

Lovejunky said:

This makes me feel very happy...

He really is something special..

I do believe also his music can be very healing for thr world.

It has been for me.....

Can't Wait to see!

I am excited about it as well. I like anything that keeps the focus on the music and not other nonsense.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

udo said:

After seeing these inflated fees the document at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ration.pdf makes one wonder about the quality of the work delivered in exchange for these inflated fees.

They are being charged a la cart. They should be on retainer for a case of this size. There won't be anything left after this case if finally finished.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

There is an interview were he is saying he would like to do a documentary.

I can get on board with that.

I hope he does..Spike is still very Much a Hero to the Young Black African American Community.

There are still many who dont know or understand the relevance of an Artist like Prince,

SOmeone like Spike can enlighten them and perhaps make them understand that Hip hop Culture isnt the ONLY Black Culture and perhaps there is somthing that is way more Peaceful and cooler..

tmo1965 said:

Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

purplefam99 said:

Lovejunky said:

I hope he does..Spike is still very Much a Hero to the Young Black African American Community.

There are still many who dont know or understand the relevance of an Artist like Prince,

SOmeone like Spike can enlighten them and perhaps make them understand that Hip hop Culture isnt the ONLY Black Culture and perhaps there is somthing that is way more Peaceful and cooler..

& Have you seen " the get down" on Netflix? I wonder what Prince was thinking during this period of change and if was during this time he was in New York living for a bit.

I only recently saw a little bit of it, not long enough..

It didnt grab me..I dont know why...

I might take some time on the weekend and get back to you with my thoughts...

Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said: I can get on board with that.

I hope he does..Spike is still very Much a Hero to the Young Black African American Community.

There are still many who dont know or understand the relevance of an Artist like Prince,

SOmeone like Spike can enlighten them and perhaps make them understand that Hip hop Culture isnt the ONLY Black Culture and perhaps there is somthing that is way more Peaceful and cooler..

Exactly what are you sayin? From your statement it sounds like None of Hip Hop is "Peaceful or Cool"...hhhmmm?!?!

Astasheiks said:

Lovejunky said:

I hope he does..Spike is still very Much a Hero to the Young Black African American Community.

There are still many who dont know or understand the relevance of an Artist like Prince,

SOmeone like Spike can enlighten them and perhaps make them understand that Hip hop Culture isnt the ONLY Black Culture and perhaps there is somthing that is way more Peaceful and cooler..

Exactly what are you sayin? From your statement it sounds like None of Hip Hop is "Peaceful or Cool"...hhhmmm?!?!

You are right...My statement does sound like that...

I didnt mean to be so general, The emergence of Gangsta Rap, with in the Hip Hop Genre

is what brought aggressive and sometimes violent imagery into this Genre....

The way that some of the main stream artists in this genre express themselves

is rarely elopquent or poetic, its most often a load of slang ,cursing, and many lazy English abbreviations punctuated with

whole lot of *uck YOU,s !

SNJ throwing the Hail Mary pass today about the UMG deal. They want to keep it and are accusing Comerica of not doing what it was hired to do. And LM is still their guy ...

1Sasha said:

1Sasha said:

SNJ throwing the Hail Mary pass today about the UMG deal. They want to keep it and are accusing Comerica of not doing what it was hired to do. And LM is still their guy ...

Mumio said:

1Sasha said:

SNJ throwing the Hail Mary pass today about the UMG deal. They want to keep it and are accusing Comerica of not doing what it was hired to do. And LM is still their guy ...

Why are SNJ so delusional? You cannot keep a deal that one party does not want to be a part of and has already said they will sue if forced. Nothing will get done for years if they try to force UMG to hold up their end of the deal and UMG will just do a half ass job if they are involved with vault material.

You may only get access if you like in Mongolia and they could make WB shoddy and cheap marketing look like a million bucks. You can tell they are getting legal advice from Lonnie.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Why are SNJ so delusional? You cannot keep a deal that one party does not want to be a part of and has already said they will sue if forced. Nothing will get done for years if they try to force UMG to hold up their end of the deal and UMG will just do a half ass job if they are involved with vault material.

You may only get access if you like in Mongolia and they could make WB shoddy and cheap marketing look like a million bucks. You can tell they are getting legal advice from Lonnie.

This letter is dated June 28, 2017.

The Judge has rescinded the UMG deal.

The Court is just now filing these documents that were submitted 2 months ago.

Thanks for the clarification. But, as LR said, these three are delusional. Of course, JMO, but if you read the Sharon interview, you would also see she has no clue what should be done. They just want money, pure and simple, lots of it and ASAP.