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Reply #210 posted 06/21/17 8:21am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

BoraBora said:



Thank you very much.

I have the CD lost in some store boxes.


I remember the version you're talking about but I don't have it anymore. I think the version on PRDeluxe is the 86 version, plain and simple. It shouldn't be included on this project (although I'm glad it is). In 83 I don't think W & L would be screaming "The Revolution will be heard!"

The booklet says this version of Wonderful Ass is from 1984.

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Reply #211 posted 06/21/17 8:23am

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PurpleMedley122 said:

Just as I unfortunately predicted, the Paisley Park Remaster sounds HORRIBLE. Very compressed and horribly brickwalled to the point that you can hear the audio clip in some parts (ending of Let's Go Crazy for example). Here's a sample of the waveform of LGC. Top is the 2015 Remaster, bottom is the from the 2011 Reissue mastered by Kevin Gray (ripped from my personal vinyl copy).

VI56lsz.jpg


As you can see, there's a night and day difference. Then again, i'm not surprised considering how compressed and brickwalled Prince's music has been since the mid 90's that the remaster he supervised would sound this bad. But I hoped it wouldn't. Oh well.


What a shame, the waveforms say it all, if Prince "oversaw" this, he certaintly did not oversee the remastering. Pick any random person off the street and they could have done a better job.


Apparantly louder = remastered these days.







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If I still need songs to be placed in Wavepad to highten the leveling its not a remaster to me. Hence the case with the older Tabu Remasters that came out with the same levels of a 80's Warner Brothers release. What's the point? Ya'll are doing too much and just need to enjoy the music shit

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Reply #212 posted 06/21/17 8:23am

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Marco81 said:

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

BoraBora said: I remember the version you're talking about but I don't have it anymore. I think the version on PRDeluxe is the 86 version, plain and simple. It shouldn't be included on this project (although I'm glad it is). In 83 I don't think W & L would be screaming "The Revolution will be heard!"

The booklet says this version of Wonderful Ass is from 1984.



So I could be right that the 1986 version is in fact an 1984 version to use in a 1986 project (DF).



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Reply #213 posted 06/21/17 8:27am

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paisleypark4 said:



leadline said:




PurpleMedley122 said:


Just as I unfortunately predicted, the Paisley Park Remaster sounds HORRIBLE. Very compressed and horribly brickwalled to the point that you can hear the audio clip in some parts (ending of Let's Go Crazy for example). Here's a sample of the waveform of LGC. Top is the 2015 Remaster, bottom is the from the 2011 Reissue mastered by Kevin Gray (ripped from my personal vinyl copy).



VI56lsz.jpg



As you can see, there's a night and day difference. Then again, i'm not surprised considering how compressed and brickwalled Prince's music has been since the mid 90's that the remaster he supervised would sound this bad. But I hoped it wouldn't. Oh well.




What a shame, the waveforms say it all, if Prince "oversaw" this, he certaintly did not oversee the remastering. Pick any random person off the street and they could have done a better job.


Apparantly louder = remastered these days.









[Edited 6/21/17 8:17am]





If I still need songs to be placed in Wavepad to highten the leveling its not a remaster to me. Hence the case with the older Tabu Remasters that came out with the same levels of a 80's Warner Brothers release. What's the point? Ya'll are doing too much and just need to enjoy the music shit



I understand where you're coming from, BUT it's not just the waveforms. When I pressed play on this remaster it was obviously compressed and overly loud and piercing, which causes less enjoyment. I didn't analyze it, but his analysis showed what my ears already knew.
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Reply #214 posted 06/21/17 8:28am

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BoraBora said:



Marco81 said:




KlyphIsBackAgain said:


BoraBora said: I remember the version you're talking about but I don't have it anymore. I think the version on PRDeluxe is the 86 version, plain and simple. It shouldn't be included on this project (although I'm glad it is). In 83 I don't think W & L would be screaming "The Revolution will be heard!"

The booklet says this version of Wonderful Ass is from 1984.





So I could be right that the 1986 version is in fact an 1984 version to use in a 1986 project (DF).





Makes sense to me. Prince Vault has been wrong before, and we've learned new things already from this project (EI studio)
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Reply #215 posted 06/21/17 8:33am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

paisleypark4 said:

If I still need songs to be placed in Wavepad to highten the leveling its not a remaster to me. Hence the case with the older Tabu Remasters that came out with the same levels of a 80's Warner Brothers release. What's the point? Ya'll are doing too much and just need to enjoy the music shit

I understand where you're coming from, BUT it's not just the waveforms. When I pressed play on this remaster it was obviously compressed and overly loud and piercing, which causes less enjoyment. I didn't analyze it, but his analysis showed what my ears already knew.


Piercing is the word for it, thie highs are absolutely painful (if you can still hear that range)

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Reply #216 posted 06/21/17 8:43am

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PurpleMedley122 said:

Just as I unfortunately predicted, the Paisley Park Remaster sounds HORRIBLE. Very compressed and horribly brickwalled to the point that you can hear the audio clip in some parts (ending of Let's Go Crazy for example). Here's a sample of the waveform of LGC. Top is the 2015 Remaster, bottom is the from the 2011 Reissue mastered by Kevin Gray (ripped from my personal vinyl copy).

VI56lsz.jpg


As you can see, there's a night and day difference. Then again, i'm not surprised considering how compressed and brickwalled Prince's music has been since the mid 90's that the remaster he supervised would sound this bad. But I hoped it wouldn't. Oh well.



It goes without saying, but this is an industry wide issue and reflects the expectations of the average listener at this point. They’d probably receive more complaints from people listening to comparatively low volume tracks on their crappy phones than audiophiles complaining about compression and brick-walling. The industry recognises the issue, but little seems to be changing.

[Edited 6/21/17 8:46am]

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Reply #217 posted 06/21/17 8:51am

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fen said:



PurpleMedley122 said:


Just as I unfortunately predicted, the Paisley Park Remaster sounds HORRIBLE. Very compressed and horribly brickwalled to the point that you can hear the audio clip in some parts (ending of Let's Go Crazy for example). Here's a sample of the waveform of LGC. Top is the 2015 Remaster, bottom is the from the 2011 Reissue mastered by Kevin Gray (ripped from my personal vinyl copy).





As you can see, there's a night and day difference. Then again, i'm not surprised considering how compressed and brickwalled Prince's music has been since the mid 90's that the remaster he supervised would sound this bad. But I hoped it wouldn't. Oh well.



It goes without saying, but this is an industry wide issue and speaks to the expectations of the average listener at this point. They’d probably receive more complaints from people listening to comparatively low volume tracks on their crappy phones than audiophiles complaining about compression and brick-walling. The industry recognises the issue, but little seems to be changing.



Absolutely. Listening through mediocre ear buds or in my car I don't complain about modern sound quality. It's when I'm home listening through good equipment that the issues are completely apparent. I've listened to music flat for years, no eq, no dsp. But the higher I got up the hi-fi chain the more I needed something to tame the overly bright and piercing nature of some modern recordings/remasters. Now I have an eq with passthrough that, when I need to, I can press a button and engage my "this shit hurts too much" settings.
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Reply #218 posted 06/21/17 8:52am

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I wasn't sure where to post this:


Track by track first impressions:

The Dance Electric - BEAST! I could dance to that groove all day. The quality is not perfect but quite enjoyable. Spiritually inspired Prince is my favorite Prince. It wasn't until after he passed that I noticed how much death was a theme in his music.

Love And Sex - Classic Revolution tune. Those vocals! I love how they all count it off, instead of just him. The coughing sound from the '84 live version of Possessed found a place on this studio recording. "Love and sex in the upper room." The 'let's all fuck before we die' message is so Prince. I love that it doesn't remind me of any other Prince tunes. Classic! And the sound quality is great!

Computer Blue (Hallway Speech) - Sound quality is nice! I noticed a bit of drop out, shortly after the Father's Song part starts, so it seems like maybe it's not perfect. Could be my temporary listening set up though. But it's good enough to still be highly enjoyable. Ugh...missing Prince now. Could this be THE quintessential Revolution song? I used to think it was America. Maybe not.

Electric Intercourse - Essential inclusion. Love that it's a version nobody knew. Sound is great. Still think it sounds demo-ish, not in a bad way though.

Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden - Our Destiny sound is still abysmal. The symbol crashes actually make me wince. Shouldn't have been included. I'll have iTunes start it with Roadhouse, and just forget Our Destiny exists. Roadhouse isn't perfect but at least it doesn't incite a negative physical response.

Possessed - AHHHH! So glad it's this version. I love how it's almost lightweight and spare, with the falsetto vocal, and the beat hinting at something funky about to bubble over, constrasted with the live version that seems to be more of a straightforward funk jam. The synth horn arpeggiation breakdown is everything!! And when the kick joins in at the end?? Dead! Love the bridge! "Have U ever had the feeling that someone was tearing U up into little bitty pieces, and contemplating selling U for a jigsaw puzzle?" Okay, surely it can't get any better than this.

Wonderful Ass - This is maybe my favorite previously unreleased song of all time. So it's great to have it sounding so great. But I thought this wasn't supposed to be the '86 revamp? Sounds the same to me on first listen.

Velvet Kitty Cat - Inferior sound. I swear I hear tape hiss. I mean it's novelty number, so I guess it doesn't matter as much to me. Still not as bad as Our Destiny.

Katrina's Paper Dolls - The only song I've never even heard a lick of. Sounds like it belongs with Velvet Kitty Kat. Maybe from the same tape, too? Sounds like a Prince protege song. Very grateful to have it. It's cute! I thought it was going to be darker from previous descriptions. But it's bouncy and light.

We Can Fuck - Whoa! It sounds so different! I didn't realize he was using finger cymbals already back then. "I know the smell of desire, and honey, it's all over U." NICE! Sounds like his drumming. OMG....the breakdown. It's taking me back to the first time I heard the end of Do Me Baby. Like I'm listening in on something I shouldn't be. AHHH...this dialogue is classic. ESSENTIAL. I feel like he did take the song further, eventually, and it became more realized as a song over the years. But the officially released version is missing such an important part!! So glad to have it now!

Father's Song - Perfect ending. It provides a great moment to reflect on what his music and life meant to you. Especially coming immediately after such a vulnerable, yet perverse moment like the latter half of We Can Fuck. What a force he was.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #219 posted 06/21/17 8:53am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Absolutely. Listening through mediocre ear buds or in my car I don't complain about modern sound quality. It's when I'm home listening through good equipment that the issues are completely apparent. I've listened to music flat for years, no eq, no dsp. But the higher I got up the hi-fi chain the more I needed something to tame the overly bright and piercing nature of some modern recordings/remasters. Now I have an eq with passthrough that, when I need to, I can press a button and engage my "this shit hurts too much" settings. [Edited 6/21/17 8:52am]

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LOL! lol

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Reply #220 posted 06/21/17 9:06am

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djThunderfunk said:



laurarichardson said:


When will some of you figure out the masses could less about the sound quality. eek




Five minutes after you figure out that WE do! wink




So, NEVER then? lol
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Reply #221 posted 06/21/17 9:09am

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Those waveforms are painful to see.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #222 posted 06/21/17 9:18am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wasn't sure where to post this:


Track by track first impressions:

The Dance Electric - BEAST! I could dance to that groove all day. The quality is not perfect but quite enjoyable. Spiritually inspired Prince is my favorite Prince. It wasn't until after he passed that I noticed how much death was a theme in his music.

Love And Sex - Classic Revolution tune. Those vocals! I love how they all count it off, instead of just him. The coughing sound from the '84 live version of Possessed found a place on this studio recording. "Love and sex in the upper room." The 'let's all fuck before we die' message is so Prince. I love that it doesn't remind me of any other Prince tunes. Classic! And the sound quality is great!

Computer Blue (Hallway Speech) - Sound quality is nice! I noticed a bit of drop out, shortly after the Father's Song part starts, so it seems like maybe it's not perfect. Could be my temporary listening set up though. But it's good enough to still be highly enjoyable. Ugh...missing Prince now. Could this be THE quintessential Revolution song? I used to think it was America. Maybe not.

Electric Intercourse - Essential inclusion. Love that it's a version nobody knew. Sound is great. Still think it sounds demo-ish, not in a bad way though.

Our Destiny/Roadhouse Garden - Our Destiny sound is still abysmal. The symbol crashes actually make me wince. Shouldn't have been included. I'll have iTunes start it with Roadhouse, and just forget Our Destiny exists. Roadhouse isn't perfect but at least it doesn't incite a negative physical response.

Possessed - AHHHH! So glad it's this version. I love how it's almost lightweight and spare, with the falsetto vocal, and the beat hinting at something funky about to bubble over, constrasted with the live version that seems to be more of a straightforward funk jam. The synth horn arpeggiation breakdown is everything!! And when the kick joins in at the end?? Dead! Love the bridge! "Have U ever had the feeling that someone was tearing U up into little bitty pieces, and contemplating selling U for a jigsaw puzzle?" Okay, surely it can't get any better than this.

Wonderful Ass - This is maybe my favorite previously unreleased song of all time. So it's great to have it sounding so great. But I thought this wasn't supposed to be the '86 revamp? Sounds the same to me on first listen.

Velvet Kitty Cat - Inferior sound. I swear I hear tape hiss. I mean it's novelty number, so I guess it doesn't matter as much to me. Still not as bad as Our Destiny.

Katrina's Paper Dolls - The only song I've never even heard a lick of. Sounds like it belongs with Velvet Kitty Kat. Maybe from the same tape, too? Sounds like a Prince protege song. Very grateful to have it. It's cute! I thought it was going to be darker from previous descriptions. But it's bouncy and light.

We Can Fuck - Whoa! It sounds so different! I didn't realize he was using finger cymbals already back then. "I know the smell of desire, and honey, it's all over U." NICE! Sounds like his drumming. OMG....the breakdown. It's taking me back to the first time I heard the end of Do Me Baby. Like I'm listening in on something I shouldn't be. AHHH...this dialogue is classic. ESSENTIAL. I feel like he did take the song further, eventually, and it became more realized as a song over the years. But the officially released version is missing such an important part!! So glad to have it now!

Father's Song - Perfect ending. It provides a great moment to reflect on what his music and life meant to you. Especially coming immediately after such a vulnerable, yet perverse moment like the latter half of We Can Fuck. What a force he was.

excited

Thanks a lot for your review, I can't wait myself to hear this album.. I am sure I will love this music as much as you seems to do..

Excellent..... cool cool cool

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Reply #223 posted 06/21/17 9:23am

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djThunderfunk said:



highcalonic said:




ForceofNature said:


I wonder how the quality of The Dance Electric is compared to the reasonably decent boot we have of it, I am really excited to hear that track in particular




The sound is awful ! we have a better sound for sure...




It's too hot for sure, but not awful. Curious what boot you think it sounds better on?



Especially since Dance Electric is from the master. Sounds great.
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Reply #224 posted 06/21/17 9:35am

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KingSausage said:

Those waveforms are painful to see.

Worry about your ears
lol it aint the estates fault you all devoured bootlegs and heard everything
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Reply #225 posted 06/21/17 9:51am

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Could someone please explain to me what "too hot" means?
Must be something in the water we drink.
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Reply #226 posted 06/21/17 9:52am

NorthC

djThunderfunk said:



laurarichardson said:


When will some of you figure out the masses could less about the sound quality. eek




Five minutes after you figure out that WE do! wink


And six minutes after you figure out that "the masses" don't care about Wonderful Ass or Old Friends 4 Sale or Wally at all. Releases like this are for diehard fans, not for "the masses", whoever they are. I haven't heard or pre-ordered it yet because I haven't made up my mind about which version I want: the box set or the double CD. And that's why I'm following threads like this. By the way, DJ, what exactly do you mean with "too hot"?
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Reply #227 posted 06/21/17 9:58am

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mdmeridius said:

Could someone please explain to me what "too hot" means?


Recorded too loudly, which causes distortion. Can also mean too much high end/treble.
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Reply #228 posted 06/21/17 10:03am

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Thanx, Klyph, I was wondering the same thing.
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Reply #229 posted 06/21/17 10:24am

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OK. As I wrote on the other thread, the inclusion of this version of "Wonderful Ass" confused me so I checked a thing.

I got somewhere a CD bootleg titled "Princesex" that contains a longer version of WA (lenght 9:50, as confirmed on Discogs), and to my knowledge that was indicated as the original 1983 version.

I don't listen to it from a lot and I can't remember well, but from what I remember it was more stripped.

Now here we have what we indicated for all this time as the 1986 version included on a 1983/1984 tracks selection.

So we can assume that the so called "1986 version" is simply an 1983/1984 version revamped as it was in 1986 for inclusion in some project (like JIR from 1986 included without variations on GB in 1990, for example). Am I wrong?!?!?

On a side note, someone here remember or have access to the "Princesex" 9:50 version I'm talkin' about to confirm is different?!?!?

I got the 9:50 version that seems to be from "1983". I can hear Lisa on it.


From this article from the StarTribune (http://www.startribune.co...428738003/) Lisa says about the PRDeluxe :


Nevertheless, she felt “he’d be proud of it. They [Warner Bros.] made smart choices as far as what bonus tracks to include.”


“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

[Edited 6/21/17 10:25am]

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Reply #230 posted 06/21/17 11:05am

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Tangerine17 said:

djThunderfunk said:


It's too hot for sure, but not awful. Curious what boot you think it sounds better on?

Especially since Dance Electric is from the master. Sounds great.

I'm surprised that this is Prince's solo version with No Wendy or Lisa.

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Reply #231 posted 06/21/17 11:16am

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rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

Those waveforms are painful to see.

Worry about your ears



Why? I shave them regularly!
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Reply #232 posted 06/21/17 11:18am

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Why are people shocked that some of us are discussing sound quality and mastering? This is a remaster of a classic album. It's a big deal. Some of us care about sound quality. If you don't, that's cool. But don't act so shocked when others do.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #233 posted 06/21/17 11:36am

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KingSausage said:

Why are people shocked that some of us are discussing sound quality and mastering? This is a remaster of a classic album. It's a big deal. Some of us care about sound quality. If you don't, that's cool. But don't act so shocked when others do.


Definitely odd.

Anyway, the fact that we have to remaster a remaster is dissapointing. What a missed opportunity.

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Reply #234 posted 06/21/17 11:38am

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KingSausage said:

rdhull said:
Worry about your ears
Why? I shave them regularly!


i pluck mine. it hurts a bit more, but the fidelity afterward is well worth it!

you should see my wav input spectrographs.

it's the stuff audiophile dreams are made of.

fuck i can even hear the tapes in warners vault that they did not use nod


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Reply #235 posted 06/21/17 11:42am

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KingSausage said:

Why are people shocked that some of us are discussing sound quality and mastering? This is a remaster of a classic album. It's a big deal. Some of us care about sound quality. If you don't, that's cool. But don't act so shocked when others do.

Nobody s shocked . We've heard it all though. You guys think the sound sucks, but will buy and play it.

lol it aint the estates fault you all devoured bootlegs and heard everything
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Reply #236 posted 06/21/17 11:42am

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i'm disappointed with the album proper remaster on the first few listens,
but i'm not distraught since the original cd sounds good enough i guess.

let's just hope that once they start tinkering with the other 80s albums,
and 'sign o the times' in particular, someone else is at the helm. (didn't
bernie grundman do this remaster eek so what the heck gives?)

this release was all about the unreleased tracks for me and most of them
sound good enough. i've never considered this release to be anything at
all beyond a means of padding out my 'excellent soundquality outtakes'
collection a bit.

meanwhile i've got my eyes fixed on the distant horizon, awaiting tyka
and the other sibs to come walking into the dawn with the remasters to
his vintage albums under their arms (and a horsedrawn carriage with a
shitload of outtakes).

anyway. back to 'possessed' music


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Reply #237 posted 06/21/17 11:46am

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rdhull said:



KingSausage said:


Why are people shocked that some of us are discussing sound quality and mastering? This is a remaster of a classic album. It's a big deal. Some of us care about sound quality. If you don't, that's cool. But don't act so shocked when others do.

Nobody s shocked . We've heard it all though. You guys think the sound sucks, but will buy and play it.




Absolutely I will buy it. The deluxe set has other discs that I want, and I want to support the release of future Prince sets. If the remaster sounds as bad as those waveforms imply, I'll play it once or twice and then toss it in my closet next to the crappy remaster of Exile on Main Street and other botched classics.
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Reply #238 posted 06/21/17 11:48am

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Further, I'm still waiting to hear how the vinyl sounds. Is it a straight transfer of the digital remaster? Are the dynamics less than total horseshit? Etc.
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Reply #239 posted 06/21/17 11:50am

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KingSausage said:

rdhull said:

Nobody s shocked . We've heard it all though. You guys think the sound sucks, but will buy and play it.

Absolutely I will buy it. The deluxe set has other discs that I want, and I want to support the release of future Prince sets. If the remaster sounds as bad as those waveforms imply, I'll play it once or twice and then toss it in my closet next to the crappy remaster of Exile on Main Street and other botched classics.

You didnt like the Exile remaster (I dont think it sounds bad per se', but it doesnt seem technicolor).

lol it aint the estates fault you all devoured bootlegs and heard everything
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