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Reply #180 posted 06/20/17 5:39am

OldFriends4Sal
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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?

.

The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday

.

Plus didn't show Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?

Really because a few people said he sat around making meme's all the time. I believe it was Shameless Maya that said this. Everybody say he had a great sense of humor about himself. Remember he picked the meme for "This Could Be Us "

No one who knew him in the last years of his life have said he was a humorless drone. Of course the word here is actually knew him not recalling things from 30 years ago.

I don't know of Prince making meme's of his own pictures. or such
I mean he didn't like what a lot of fans were doing with his photos and why he force the org to shut down and remove basic photos of him in he early 2000s

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Reply #181 posted 06/20/17 6:02am

Purplestar88

OldFriends4Sale said:

Purplestar88 said:

I don't understand why every time Kim says something it's a big controversy but when others run up their traps it is not a issue. It's clear some people don't like anyone taking up for Prince.

Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?

.

The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday

.

Plus didn't show Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?

She did a pod cast and a lot of people were losing it because she stated that Prince was moving away from being a Jehovah Witness and people were acting like she said he was becoming a buddhist or something and that's not what she said. It really showed me how much people hated him being a Jehovah witness and that's not ok. Kim keeps it real and some people don't like that because they want Prince to be the big bad wolf not a human being with ups and down. I think she made it clear that he could be tough but he was also could be a sweetheart who was a provider and some people don't want to hear that. Why can't she say her piece but others who didn't know Prince for years can say whatever they want? Didn't he post meme's himself if I am not mistaken.

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Reply #182 posted 06/20/17 6:08am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Really because a few people said he sat around making meme's all the time. I believe it was Shameless Maya that said this. Everybody say he had a great sense of humor about himself. Remember he picked the meme for "This Could Be Us "

No one who knew him in the last years of his life have said he was a humorless drone. Of course the word here is actually knew him not recalling things from 30 years ago.

I don't know of Prince making meme's of his own pictures. or such
I mean he didn't like what a lot of fans were doing with his photos and why he force the org to shut down and remove basic photos of him in he early 2000s

I believe Shameless Maya mentioned this in the GQ article and anything he had taken off the net had to do with money, permission and payment. Something I though he was very clear about.

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Reply #183 posted 06/20/17 6:10am

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Purplestar88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?

.

The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday

.

Plus didn't show Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?

She did a pod cast and a lot of people were losing it because she stated that Prince was moving away from being a Jehovah Witness and people were acting like she said he was becoming a buddhist or something and that's not what she said. It really showed me how much people hated him being a Jehovah witness and that's not ok. Kim keeps it real and some people don't like that because they want Prince to be the big bad wolf not a human being with ups and down. I think she made it clear that he could be tough but he was also could be a sweetheart who was a provider and some people don't want to hear that. Why can't she say her piece but others who didn't know Prince for years can say whatever they want? Didn't he post meme's himself if I am not mistaken.

Co-Sign. biggrin

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Reply #184 posted 06/20/17 6:38am

rogifan

OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:




OldFriends4Sale said:





Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?


.


The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday


.


Plus didn't show Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?



Really because a few people said he sat around making meme's all the time. I believe it was Shameless Maya that said this. Everybody say he had a great sense of humor about himself. Remember he picked the meme for "This Could Be Us "



No one who knew him in the last years of his life have said he was a humorless drone. Of course the word here is actually knew him not recalling things from 30 years ago.







I don't know of Prince making meme's of his own pictures. or such
I mean he didn't like what a lot of fans were doing with his photos and why he force the org to shut down and remove basic photos of him in he early 2000s


Don't know if these qualifies as a meme...both posted on Prince's Instagram account.

prince-meme.png?w=570Capture21.jpg
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
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Reply #185 posted 06/20/17 6:53am

rdhull

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laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

gut wrenching again

we all had an idea he was goig through some of this shit..anyone who's seen North Dallas 40 or a sports fan has got to have jnown he was dealing with this

But here is the thing. What was standing on a mountain top telling the world his health problems going to do to solve the problem or even telling his associates? Althougt Scott Baldwin said he knew during the Musicology tour.

What was anyone suppose to do?

At this time the only meds for joint pain are pain pills. I wonder if people stop and think that with all the money P had he had not already explored all avenues and if they realize that if any promoters thought he had health issues he was going to have a hard time making a living.

I hate how W&L who may not have even been that close to him are starting this pity party narrative.

At the end Prince was doing what he wanted to do with his life. Still performing. Do they really think he would have made it very long without doing what he loved. Why can't they appreciate that work ethic and drive?

Its not about telling others. Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #186 posted 06/20/17 7:02am

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rdhull said:

laurarichardson said:

But here is the thing. What was standing on a mountain top telling the world his health problems going to do to solve the problem or even telling his associates? Althougt Scott Baldwin said he knew during the Musicology tour.

What was anyone suppose to do?

At this time the only meds for joint pain are pain pills. I wonder if people stop and think that with all the money P had he had not already explored all avenues and if they realize that if any promoters thought he had health issues he was going to have a hard time making a living.

I hate how W&L who may not have even been that close to him are starting this pity party narrative.

At the end Prince was doing what he wanted to do with his life. Still performing. Do they really think he would have made it very long without doing what he loved. Why can't they appreciate that work ethic and drive?

Its not about telling others. Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake.

But that is what he wanted to do.

Also stop assuming that if he got off pain pills all of his problems were going to vanish into thin air. We simply do not have enough info about what was going on with his health to judge.

There is some indication now that he was sick when he got to Atlanta which if this is true he knew the risk when he got on that plane to go to the concert. According to the Altanta promoter he told her he was going to go back to Minneapolis and see his doctor and to hold off on annoucing the next 9 shows that were already set up.

He had every intention on finishing out that tour and he no reason to go back to Dr. S to be told he was going thru withdrawals. Some pices of the puzzle are missing. It does not matter anyway because remember Sheila E said he was going to get on that plane no matter what because he did not believe in canceling shows. What happened to him after that show was going to happen because that is the way he wanted it.

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Reply #187 posted 06/20/17 7:04am

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Yes, these were on his page and they are funny. He also made fun of himself being light before. He had sense of humor about himself.

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know of Prince making meme's of his own pictures. or such
I mean he didn't like what a lot of fans were doing with his photos and why he force the org to shut down and remove basic photos of him in he early 2000s

Don't know if these qualifies as a meme...both posted on Prince's Instagram account. prince-meme.png?w=570Capture21.jpg

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Reply #188 posted 06/20/17 7:24am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know of Prince making meme's of his own pictures. or such
I mean he didn't like what a lot of fans were doing with his photos and why he force the org to shut down and remove basic photos of him in he early 2000s

I believe Shameless Maya mentioned this in the GQ article and anything he had taken off the net had to do with money, permission and payment. Something I though he was very clear about.

Naw that was BS when it came down to force the org to remove fan photos. No one was making money off of that. And Housequake shutting down.
If I paid for the magazine where the photo was and scanned it, I'm not making any money, and he gave permission that way. I can see certain 'paid' sites, but fan sites are not making any kind of money. He knew that was going to far. You start attacking fans, that is your money base.

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Reply #189 posted 06/20/17 7:29am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?

.

The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday

.

Plus didn't show Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?

Really because a few people said he sat around making meme's all the time. I believe it was Shameless Maya that said this. Everybody say he had a great sense of humor about himself. Remember he picked the meme for "This Could Be Us "

No one who knew him in the last years of his life have said he was a humorless drone. Of course the word here is actually knew him not recalling things from 30 years ago.

I just don't know who Shameless Maya is.

Of course he had a sense of humor. Ya think I don't know that?
My post about didn't Kim know he didn't like that stuff was humor.

I mean who said anything about having/not having a sense of humor?
Why are you talking about Prince and a sense of humor?
I said nothing about Prince not having a sense of humor?

Why would I think being a fan of Prince since the beginning, that Prince doesn't have a sense of humor?

What is 30 yrs ago?
30yrs ago Prince goofing on the AMerican Band Stand not speaking was him and his sense of humor, the Recka Stow thing is Prince having a sense of humor, Prince has always had a sense of humor. How in hell said Prince did not have a sense of humor?

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Reply #190 posted 06/20/17 7:35am

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Purplestar88 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is it a big controversy everytime Kim says something? really?

.

The only things I know of Kim is her posting that cool picture of doing Prince's hair for a Rave era photo shoot, and this thread, posting something about PRince not being a drug addict/meme on his birthday

.

Plus didn't she know Prince didn't like people making meme's of his photos?

She did a pod cast and a lot of people were losing it because she stated that Prince was moving away from being a Jehovah Witness and people were acting like she said he was becoming a buddhist or something and that's not what she said. It really showed me how much people hated him being a Jehovah witness and that's not ok. Kim keeps it real and some people don't like that because they want Prince to be the big bad wolf not a human being with ups and down. I think she made it clear that he could be tough but he was also could be a sweetheart who was a provider and some people don't want to hear that. Why can't she say her piece but others who didn't know Prince for years can say whatever they want? Didn't he post meme's himself if I am not mistaken.

Oh ok. I don't follow a lot of this stuff. I'm still trying to figure out who Kat Grahams is. Well not really.

The meme thing was me messing around

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Reply #191 posted 06/20/17 8:02am

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laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

Its not about telling others. Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake.

But that is what he wanted to do.

Also stop assuming that if he got off pain pills all of his problems were going to vanish into thin air. We simply do not have enough info about what was going on with his health to judge.

There is some indication now that he was sick when he got to Atlanta which if this is true he knew the risk when he got on that plane to go to the concert. According to the Altanta promoter he told her he was going to go back to Minneapolis and see his doctor and to hold off on annoucing the next 9 shows that were already set up.

He had every intention on finishing out that tour and he no reason to go back to Dr. S to be told he was going thru withdrawals. Some pices of the puzzle are missing. It does not matter anyway because remember Sheila E said he was going to get on that plane no matter what because he did not believe in canceling shows. What happened to him after that show was going to happen because that is the way he wanted it.

All you've said/done was back up what I said. Peppered with some wtf moments that have nothing to do with what I said.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #192 posted 06/20/17 8:07am

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rdhull said:

laurarichardson said:

But that is what he wanted to do.

Also stop assuming that if he got off pain pills all of his problems were going to vanish into thin air. We simply do not have enough info about what was going on with his health to judge.

There is some indication now that he was sick when he got to Atlanta which if this is true he knew the risk when he got on that plane to go to the concert. According to the Altanta promoter he told her he was going to go back to Minneapolis and see his doctor and to hold off on annoucing the next 9 shows that were already set up.

He had every intention on finishing out that tour and he no reason to go back to Dr. S to be told he was going thru withdrawals. Some pices of the puzzle are missing. It does not matter anyway because remember Sheila E said he was going to get on that plane no matter what because he did not believe in canceling shows. What happened to him after that show was going to happen because that is the way he wanted it.

All you've said/done was back up what I said. Peppered with some wtf moments that have nothing to do with what I said.

those blindsiding moment that just derail totally what you tried to express

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Reply #193 posted 06/20/17 8:31am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

All you've said/done was back up what I said. Peppered with some wtf moments that have nothing to do with what I said.

those blindsiding moment that just derail totally what you tried to express

lol

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #194 posted 06/20/17 8:44am

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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

those blindsiding moment that just derail totally what you tried to express

lol

and makes you CUSS, even if you don't usually lol

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Reply #195 posted 06/20/17 8:50am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

lol

and makes you CUSS, even if you don't usually lol

its almost as if shes an ios..siri, alexa, what have you..you know how you say one thing and they respond as if in another question etc. and you end up repeating their name and question until you say wtf? nevermind? lol..the orgs ios is laurarichardson.

laurarichardson..what is the weather going to be a......

[Edited 6/20/17 9:06am]

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Reply #196 posted 06/20/17 9:02am

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rdhull said:

laurarichardson said:

But that is what he wanted to do.

Also stop assuming that if he got off pain pills all of his problems were going to vanish into thin air. We simply do not have enough info about what was going on with his health to judge.

There is some indication now that he was sick when he got to Atlanta which if this is true he knew the risk when he got on that plane to go to the concert. According to the Altanta promoter he told her he was going to go back to Minneapolis and see his doctor and to hold off on annoucing the next 9 shows that were already set up.

He had every intention on finishing out that tour and he no reason to go back to Dr. S to be told he was going thru withdrawals. Some pices of the puzzle are missing. It does not matter anyway because remember Sheila E said he was going to get on that plane no matter what because he did not believe in canceling shows. What happened to him after that show was going to happen because that is the way he wanted it.

All you've said/done was back up what I said. Peppered with some wtf moments that have nothing to do with what I said.

So let me get this straight in order to have conversation with you I should parrot back what you say?

I can assure that is not going to happen. The extras that I added are my thoughts that I added to the conversastion and they most certainly address your concerns and defense of Wendy's statements. Let me make it clear for you.

" Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake."

Me= He was not going to stop working because he did not want to. Is that clear enough for you? He full well knew he was ill when he got to Atlanta based on some new info that has appeared.

[Edited 6/20/17 10:03am]

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Reply #197 posted 06/20/17 9:03am

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rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

and makes you CUSS, even if you don't usually lol

its almost as if shes an ios..siri, alexa, what have you..you know how you sa one thng and they respond as if in another question et and you end up repeating their name and question until you say wtf? nevermind? lol..the orgs ios is laurarichardson.

laurarichardson..what is the weather going to be a......

wtf the color he wore at the award show was magenta and purple

follow the discussion

lol

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Reply #198 posted 06/20/17 9:03am

rdhull

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laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

All you've said/done was back up what I said. Peppered with some wtf moments that have nothing to do with what I said.

So let me get this straight in order to have conversation with you I should parrot back what you?

I can assure that is not going to happen. The extras that I added are my thoughts that I added to the conversastion and they most certainly address your concerns and defense of Wendy's statements. Let me make it clear for you.

" Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake."

Me= He was not going to stop working because he did not want to. Is that clear enough for you? He full well knew he was ill when he got to Atlanta based on some new info that has appeared.

laurarichardson, what is the traffic like on the 101?

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #199 posted 06/20/17 9:29am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I believe Shameless Maya mentioned this in the GQ article and anything he had taken off the net had to do with money, permission and payment. Something I though he was very clear about.

Naw that was BS when it came down to force the org to remove fan photos. No one was making money off of that. And Housequake shutting down.
If I paid for the magazine where the photo was and scanned it, I'm not making any money, and he gave permission that way. I can see certain 'paid' sites, but fan sites are not making any kind of money. He knew that was going to far. You start attacking fans, that is your money base.

You really do not have clue about much of anything. eek

Some fan sites were letting people know were they could go to get bootlegs and some photos he owen the copyright on. Instead of shifting throught thousands of websites I am sure his attorney told he to take a one stop approach to all the fan sites. He knew that a round of cease and desist orders would scare most people enough to take the pics and bootlegg info off of the sites.

I do not see how this effected his bottom line at all and now after his death you can see his image being exploited all over the internet without the estates permission.

See the cease and desist sent by Rhonda Trotter below.

I have also included the GQ interview with Shameless Maya and her Youtube posting were she talks about how she met Prince. You realize all of this stuff was posted on Prince org with the exception of the cease and desist letters which may have been the last set he had sent out.

Now go ahead and not look at any of this and tell me it has nothing to do with your comments or

anything at all that has been discussed in this thread.

------ Rhonda Trotter Attorney who is tops in her field concerning copyrights.

https://www.apks.com/en/people/t/trotter-rhonda-r

https://www.scribd.com/doc/201201287/Prince-v-Chodera-Complaint

Shameless Maya

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQokp8Bnwlo

http://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories - More was in the print addition about the his love of memes.

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Reply #200 posted 06/20/17 10:02am

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rdhull said:

laurarichardson said:

So let me get this straight in order to have conversation with you I should parrot back what you say?

I can assure that is not going to happen. The extras that I added are my thoughts that I added to the conversastion and they most certainly address your concerns and defense of Wendy's statements. Let me make it clear for you.

" Its about telling yourself that youre not superman and need to take heed to medical warnings/health (which Im assuming he 'finaly' did since a counselor was booking him a place later) . He od'd and died on a plane a week before and checked himself out the same night for christs sake."

Me= He was not going to stop working because he did not want to. Is that clear enough for you? He full well knew he was ill when he got to Atlanta based on some new info that has appeared.

laurarichardson, what is the traffic like on the 101?

I do not know why don 't you usually stand out their with your shopping cart.

Tell me how is it going today.

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Reply #201 posted 06/20/17 10:04am

rdhull

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laurarichardson said:

rdhull said:

laurarichardson, what is the traffic like on the 101?

I do not know why don 't you usually stand out their with your shopping cart.

Tell me how is it going today.

lol

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #202 posted 06/20/17 10:46am

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I know behind scenes stuff about Prince & the Org that you have no clue

I was specifically talking about photos. Not bootlegs. And I understand copyright photos. But most photos out there are not money making copyright photos.

His attorney did not know the damage he was doing with that silly advice.

This is what happens when U bring a bunch of stuff into someones post that has nothing to do with what they are talking about.. love.

Thanks 4 sharing the other stuff, and it is valuable where it is requested. But I was just talking about photos in connection to the org.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Naw that was BS when it came down to force the org to remove fan photos. No one was making money off of that. And Housequake shutting down.
If I paid for the magazine where the photo was and scanned it, I'm not making any money, and he gave permission that way. I can see certain 'paid' sites, but fan sites are not making any kind of money. He knew that was going to far. You start attacking fans, that is your money base.

You really do not have clue about much of anything. eek

Some fan sites were letting people know were they could go to get bootlegs and some photos he owen the copyright on. Instead of shifting throught thousands of websites I am sure his attorney told he to take a one stop approach to all the fan sites. He knew that a round of cease and desist orders would scare most people enough to take the pics and bootlegg info off of the sites.

I do not see how this effected his bottom line at all and now after his death you can see his image being exploited all over the internet without the estates permission.

See the cease and desist sent by Rhonda Trotter below.

I have also included the GQ interview with Shameless Maya and her Youtube posting were she talks about how she met Prince. You realize all of this stuff was posted on Prince org with the exception of the cease and desist letters which may have been the last set he had sent out.

Now go ahead and not look at any of this and tell me it has nothing to do with your comments or

anything at all that has been discussed in this thread.

------ Rhonda Trotter Attorney who is tops in her field concerning copyrights.

https://www.apks.com/en/people/t/trotter-rhonda-r

https://www.scribd.com/doc/201201287/Prince-v-Chodera-Complaint

Shameless Maya

------

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQokp8Bnwlo

http://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories - More was in the print addition about the his love of memes.

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Reply #203 posted 06/20/17 11:02am

OldFriends4Sal
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rdhull said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not know why don 't you usually stand out their with your shopping cart.

Tell me how is it going today.

lol

LOL

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Reply #204 posted 06/20/17 11:15am

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The attorney is a she and she is an expert in her field and actually working with the estate right now.

If you know so much why so many "I do not know who that is or what you are talking about statements. " So many things are so easy to find out.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know behind scenes stuff about Prince & the Org that you have no clue

I was specifically talking about photos. Not bootlegs. And I understand copyright photos. But most photos out there are not money making copyright photos.

His attorney did not know the damage he was doing with that silly advice.

This is what happens when U bring a bunch of stuff into someones post that has nothing to do with what they are talking about.. love.

Thanks 4 sharing the other stuff, and it is valuable where it is requested. But I was just talking about photos in connection to the org.

laurarichardson said:

You really do not have clue about much of anything. eek

Some fan sites were letting people know were they could go to get bootlegs and some photos he owen the copyright on. Instead of shifting throught thousands of websites I am sure his attorney told he to take a one stop approach to all the fan sites. He knew that a round of cease and desist orders would scare most people enough to take the pics and bootlegg info off of the sites.

I do not see how this effected his bottom line at all and now after his death you can see his image being exploited all over the internet without the estates permission.

See the cease and desist sent by Rhonda Trotter below.

I have also included the GQ interview with Shameless Maya and her Youtube posting were she talks about how she met Prince. You realize all of this stuff was posted on Prince org with the exception of the cease and desist letters which may have been the last set he had sent out.

Now go ahead and not look at any of this and tell me it has nothing to do with your comments or

anything at all that has been discussed in this thread.

------ Rhonda Trotter Attorney who is tops in her field concerning copyrights.

https://www.apks.com/en/people/t/trotter-rhonda-r

https://www.scribd.com/doc/201201287/Prince-v-Chodera-Complaint

Shameless Maya

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQokp8Bnwlo

http://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories - More was in the print addition about the his love of memes.

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I'm not big into all the Estate stuff whose who

laurarichardson said:

The attorney is a she and she is an expert in her field and actually working with the estate right now.

If you know so much why so many "I do not know who that is or what you are talking about statements. " So many things are so easy to find out.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know behind scenes stuff about Prince & the Org that you have no clue

I was specifically talking about photos. Not bootlegs. And I understand copyright photos. But most photos out there are not money making copyright photos.

His attorney did not know the damage he was doing with that silly advice.

This is what happens when U bring a bunch of stuff into someones post that has nothing to do with what they are talking about.. love.

Thanks 4 sharing the other stuff, and it is valuable where it is requested. But I was just talking about photos in connection to the org.

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