morningsong said:

It would be nice if it can be cleared up by a typed, official source, whether the pills were stamped 385s, 853s, 835s or whatever? Yeah, I get it, nothing's going to bring him back, so what difference does it make? I haven't reached that level of consciousness yet. My wacky pendulum is swinging in all kinds of directions with this new tiny bit of info. Wish they hadn't published it. [Edited 5/22/17 22:08pm]

Do not worry some people will still be here 10 years from now "telling us he is not coming back" as if this is a shocking revelation.

They do not have anything else to do.

Mkilpatrick74 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Actually they found close to 100 of the Watson 853 pills at PP.

This is not a lot for someone in chronic pain. I get A total of 180 pills every month. Just saying.....

I did not think it was a lot either. I believe he had an Rx for this sometime in the past and he just

continued to take his normal dose until he wanted to get off of them.

I really think he had some other health issues that made him excelerate his intake of these meds which in turn made him want to get off of them. I think I lot of the whys and reasons are lost on the sensational drugged out rock star narrative or people who just want to make him the poster boy for pain meds.

When was anything about Prince easy and simple? Why would this stituation be any different?

laurarichardson said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: This is not a lot for someone in chronic pain. I get A total of 180 pills every month. Just saying.....

I did not think it was a lot either. I believe he had an Rx for this sometime in the past and he just

continued to take his normal dose until he wanted to get off of them.

I really think he had some other health issues that made him excelerate his intake of these meds which in turn made him want to get off of them. I think I lot of the whys and reasons are lost on the sensational drugged out rock star narrative or people who just want to make him the poster boy for pain meds.

When was anything about Prince easy and simple? Why would this stituation be any different?

The issue wasn't that there were a lot of pills, it was that a single pill was powerful enough to kill 15 people right? If that is the case, these pills had no other purpose other than to kill.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

I did not think it was a lot either. I believe he had an Rx for this sometime in the past and he just

continued to take his normal dose until he wanted to get off of them.

I really think he had some other health issues that made him excelerate his intake of these meds which in turn made him want to get off of them. I think I lot of the whys and reasons are lost on the sensational drugged out rock star narrative or people who just want to make him the poster boy for pain meds.

When was anything about Prince easy and simple? Why would this stituation be any different?

The issue wasn't that there were a lot of pills, it was that a single pill was powerful enough to kill 15 people right? If that is the case, these pills had no other purpose other than to kill.

The media is making it out to be a lot of pills when it appears to be the average a person on pain meds would have. Almost as if he knew when he purchased these things what a normal supply would be. I think it is interesting if you look past the sensationalism.

Yes, I believe they were loaded to kill.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

The issue wasn't that there were a lot of pills, it was that a single pill was powerful enough to kill 15 people right? If that is the case, these pills had no other purpose other than to kill.

The media is making it out to be a lot of pills when it appears to be the average a person on pain meds would have. Almost as if he knew when he purchased these things what a normal supply would be. I think it is interesting if you look past the sensationalism.

Yes, I believe they were loaded to kill.

Exactly, you don't accidentally overdose on pills laced to kill an elephant, that is like saying someone accidentially died because they were intentionally run over too hard.

[Edited 5/23/17 9:21am]

laurarichardson said:

Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually in the interviews he he made a big point of looking in the fridge to see that the dinner was in there and was discussing Prince's eating habits with the media almost immeditatly. As far the restaurant review it had more to do with all of the workers appearing to be high out of their ass and able to take food orders.

Just made wonder who the chefs are associating with as birds of a feather flock together. It is also bad for business to have a bunch drug heads interacting with your customers.

[Edited 5/23/17 7:59am]

Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

Well I have already mentioned that one of the members of the Facebook page reached out to Ray's wife and she said they had nothing to do with posioning him ( not sure why she even bothered to respond) but she said they were lied to about his health.

Agree, rogifan. There's no point in attacking the chefs' business. Prince obviously liked their work enough to employ them for 3 years. As for their interviews: I could only find a couple from soon after Prince's death, and neither did they make a big deal of checking the fridge. And remember: the fans were (and are) CLAMORING for info from people close to him about his physical state. It seems weird to want more info about Prince's health, then lash out at someone who's in a position (and willing) to share the little bit of insight they have.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually in the interviews he he made a big point of looking in the fridge to see that the dinner was in there and was discussing Prince's eating habits with the media almost immeditatly. As far the restaurant review it had more to do with all of the workers appearing to be high out of their ass and able to take food orders.

Just made wonder who the chefs are associating with as birds of a feather flock together. It is also bad for business to have a bunch drug heads interacting with your customers.

[Edited 5/23/17 7:59am]

Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

Well I have already mentioned that one of the members of the Facebook page reached out to Ray's wife and she said they had nothing to do with posioning him ( not sure why she even bothered to respond) but she said they were lied to about his health.

I am the one that saw all this play out on Facebook about the chefs. This person contacted Rays wife via a private message to tell her to be vigilant because there were threats being made against them, and they were being accused of poisoning P. Ray's wife probably didnt even pause to think this person would post her response on Facebook.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Actually in the interviews he he made a big point of looking in the fridge to see that the dinner was in there and was discussing Prince's eating habits with the media almost immeditatly. As far the restaurant review it had more to do with all of the workers appearing to be high out of their ass and able to take food orders.

Just made wonder who the chefs are associating with as birds of a feather flock together. It is also bad for business to have a bunch drug heads interacting with your customers.

[Edited 5/23/17 7:59am]

Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

And that is why you will never be an investigator Discounting the possibility of anything, because the thought of it sounds crazy, or, because the people in question said they are innocent, is a strange way to try to solve a case. Not saying they are guilty of anything, just saying ruling something out on those grounds is bad way to try to solve any case. Hopefully they pursued every lead and every possibility in their investigaton, but probably not yet since it is still an open case.

What one cannot deny, is the accuracy of this womans facts in the videos before anyone else had em. Psychic? Lucky? Who the hell knows, all I know is she has been accurate when all conventional thinking would dictate the possibility of that to be otherwise, and before there was any possibility of her attaining that information by conventional means.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, I will say it again, I discount nothing at face value, indlucing crazy videos on youtube of people claiming to be contacted by Prince in this case, but when their statements are on record before the fact, and turn out to be true, it can't just be tossed into the breeze as a coincidence.


History has also shown that when stuff happens like this, it is usually the people closest to you that are involved. Is that the case this time? I have no idea.


Time answers all questions right? In the meantime, I have no idea what is true or not true, but I will keep the options open to anything until difinitively proven otherwise.


You know I love your posts rogifan, so I write this with the utmost of respect.

[Edited 5/23/17 10:50am]

leadline said:

Is this the same "psychic" that attended the one year anniversary events positioned outside the fence with a bullhorn accusing Tyka of being involved in Prince's death?

Yep, Abigail Noel

NotACleverName said:

leadline said:

And that is why you will never be an investigator Discounting the possibility of anything, because the thought of it sounds crazy, or, because the people in question said they are innocent, is a strange way to try to solve a case. Not saying they are guilty of anything, just saying ruling something out on those grounds is bad way to try to solve any case. Hopefully they pursued every lead and every possibility in their investigaton, but probably not yet since it is still an open case. What one cannot deny, is the accuracy of this womans facts in the videos before anyone else had em. Psychic? Lucky? Who the hell knows, all I know is she has been accurate when all conventional thinking would dictate the possibility of that to be otherwise, and before there was any possibility of her attaining that information by conventional means. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, I will say it again, I discount nothing at face value, indlucing crazy videos on youtube of people claiming to be contacted by Prince in this case, but when their statements are on record before the fact, and turn out to be true, it can't just be tossed into the breeze as a coincidence. History has also shown that when stuff happens like this, it is usually the people closest to you that are involved. Is that the case this time? I have no idea. Time answers all questions right? In the meantime, I have no idea what is true or not true, but I will keep the options open to anything until difinitively proven otherwise. You know I love your posts rogifan, so I write this with the utmost of respect.[Edited 5/23/17 10:50am]

Is this the same "psychic" that attended the one year anniversary events positioned outside the fence with a bullhorn accusing Tyka of being involved in Prince's death?

laurarichardson said:

Did she used the word lied? Do you have an exact quote?

disch said:

And it was the chef who said Prince was complaining about stomach and throat pain and requesting a lot of smoothies. They're a nice young couple with children, local to the area. Anyone who went after them on social media should be ashamed.

rogifan said:

disch said:

Agree, rogifan. There's no point in attacking the chefs' business. Prince obviously liked their work enough to employ them for 3 years. As for their interviews: I could only find a couple from soon after Prince's death, and neither did they make a big deal of checking the fridge. And remember: the fans were (and are) CLAMORING for info from people close to him about his physical state. It seems weird to want more info about Prince's health, then lash out at someone who's in a position (and willing) to share the little bit of insight they have.

And it was the chef who said Prince was complaining about stomach and throat pain and requesting a lot of smoothies. They're a nice young couple with children, local to the area. Anyone who went after them on social media should be ashamed.

That is 100% accurate, they did say that. But that interview came out a week or so after this womans video, who said 'exactly' the same thing about his stomach issues and his requesting the juice because of it. Should they have been acosted on social media? No, let the authorities handle that if there is any substance there.

Plus being nice, looking nice, doesn't mean a thing, you can never truly know what is in peoples hearts or what they are capable of by outside appearance, how many kids they have, if they own a business, etc. History has also shown that.

[Edited 5/23/17 11:54am]

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

The media is making it out to be a lot of pills when it appears to be the average a person on pain meds would have. Almost as if he knew when he purchased these things what a normal supply would be. I think it is interesting if you look past the sensationalism.

Yes, I believe they were loaded to kill.

Exactly, you don't accidentally overdose on pills laced to kill an elephant, that is like saying someone accidentially died because they were intentionally run over too hard.

[Edited 5/23/17 9:21am]

I want to know is this really an accident or an attack and I'm not just talking only about Prince either.

Fentanyl is so powerful that it coming in contact with ones skin can kill. The makers have to work with this stuff. Are they just killing off the workers too? The manufacturers have to know enough about chemistry in order to change its signature to stay ahead of the authorities. Yet, they are being so careless about making this product so randomly lethal? Is this normal for illicit drug manufacturers or is this something new on the horizon? That's what I want to know.

leadline said:

No one has yet given me a credible reason to suspect this couple did anything wrong or was in any way involved with his death. Some lunatic woman with a potty mouth is not where I chose to get my facts from. Sorry.

rogifan said:

leadline said:

That is 100% accurate, they did say that. But that interview came out a week or so after this womans video, who said 'exactly' the same thing about his stomach issues and his requesting the juice because of it. Should they have been acosted on social media? No, let the authorities handle that if there is any substance there.

Plus being nice, looking nice, doesn't mean a thing, you can never truly know what is in peoples hearts or what they are capable of by outside appearance, how many kids they have, if they own a business, etc. History has also shown that.

[Edited 5/23/17 11:54am]

No one has yet given me a credible reason to suspect this couple did anything wrong or was in any way involved with his death. Some lunatic woman with a potty mouth is not where I chose to get my facts from. Sorry.

No apologies needed rogifan, you certaintly could be right. All I am stating here is that this woman relayed the stomach issue and drink he requested for it long before it became public, thats all, and that it is on record for anyone to see and validate.

[Edited 5/23/17 12:58pm]

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

The media is making it out to be a lot of pills when it appears to be the average a person on pain meds would have. Almost as if he knew when he purchased these things what a normal supply would be. I think it is interesting if you look past the sensationalism.

Yes, I believe they were loaded to kill.

Exactly, you don't accidentally overdose on pills laced to kill an elephant, that is like saying someone accidentially died because they were intentionally run over too hard.

[Edited 5/23/17 9:21am]

by my calculations (lethal amount being 3 mg, and blood mg result was 68.7 mg) the amount was enough to kill 22-23 people....that's overkill. No one is going to "supply" that to a possible "recurring customer", and no one has that high of a tolerance to Fentanyl to withstand that amount and "get high" without imminent death

leadline said:

But what would be the chefs motives? You know every murder has a motive. They got offended when Prince left some food on his plate?

Not buying it.

I recently attended a seminar at the company I work for. This company happens to own one of the pharmacy benefits managers in the US. It was a seminar on the opioid crisis. Some of the facts are startling. The United States is 4.5% of the worlds population but we consume 80% of the opioids. The average script is 92. At my company Vicodin and Percocet are the top 2 in terms of drug spend.

One study referenced said that 25% of people who overdose on these painkillers were given another prescirption within 30 days and 91% were given another prescription within 10 months and over 70% of those who overdosed were getting them from friends and family, not off the street. And 40% of first time subscriptions are being prescribed outside of Centers for Disease Control (CDC) guidelines. Another study showed that 0% of those with lower back pain who used a chiropractor became addicted to opioids. Yet 60% of opioid prescriptions are for lower back pain. One of the speakers mentioned her son having his wisdom teeth pulled and being given a prescription for 30 Percocet! She never filled the predcription. Something else mentioned was how quickly one can become addicted. It's absolutely criminal the way certain pharmaceutical companies and medical organizations have pushed these drugs which are killing more people a year than car accidents now. It makes me ill.

laytonian said:

. I don't see where this had been posted here, but it's important. .http://kstp.com/medical/f.../4491091/ . "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources." .

He must have been in a lot of pain. And I mean a lot.

And he clearly was living with some substance use disorder issues. I still think that because the US
public has largely stigmatized substance use disorder, that people are ashamed to get help.

And that fucking sucks.

precioux said:

Clover, what you "hell to the no" girl? LOL! Did you read BOTH articles (and several others) that stated the pills were stamped 385?all other pills on these reports were backed up in the warrants as well, but the Watson is transposed? That's what I'm "hell no'ing"....they even went as far as to describe why these pills were more than likely black market because they were discontinued in 2013 bc there was a law passed where manufacturers could no longer include more than 325 mg of acetaminophen-hence the discontinuance of the 385's because they contained 500 mg of acetaminophen. These articles were published almost a year apart. Like I said, all other pills were accounted for and documented correctly in the reports and in conjunction with the warrants, but the one pill being investigated-the #'s are misconstrued/transposed??? Nah,don't think so cloveringold85 said:

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WTF??!!

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I wasn't directing that towards you, Prexioux (I know you know that).... LOL. Sometimes a good visual explains how you feel about a certain situation, ya know? LOL

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I'm just saying this is some damn bulllshhiiiiiiiitt!!

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Yea, I know they stopped making the Watson 385 and were black-market!

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sonshine said:

1. Whether he ate his supper or not is irrelevant. It will be noted in the full autopsy report but its a moot point. 2. That psychic lady is bat shit crazy. I cant believe anyone is even giving her comments consideration. 3. If someone unknowingly gave him laced pills its a stretch to say foul play. 4. His agitation was likely due to withdrawl and his need for a fix. 5. No idea where this AIDS narrative cane from or why it even got any traction?!? 6. Prince didnt know the pills were laced or tainted. 7. The direct supplier may not have known either. And they for sure wouldnt have known how nuch they were tainted as its a crap shoot. There is no quality control in the illicit drugs business i imagine. To me it nothing significant has changed with this latest news. As i said hes still gone and he still died die to fentanyl toxicity due to an accidental self administered overdose. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this was pre-meditated murder.

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Eating his supper would in fact be relevant if it was poisoned/laced with deadly Fentanyl.

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The above would not have been noted in the autopsy report if they did not check his food/drink.

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Psychic lady may be cray-cray, but she has said some very convincing stuff.

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Prince could have been agitated because he found out someone was poisoning, and/or trying to kill him.

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AIDS narrative came from someone within his camp who got paid for the info.

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No, there is no quality control in street drugs.

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Finally, Prince was no fool and was not taking no street drugs!!

cloveringold85 said:

Yes, I know that


I like bishop bullwinkles Hell To The Naw better,though-LOL!
[Edited 5/23/17 14:55pm]

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Was that the first thing he did? Did he actually say 'the first thing I did was check the fridge to see if he ate his food'? And oh, someone gave his restaurant a bad review. How is that relevant to anything?

Actually in the interviews he he made a big point of looking in the fridge to see that the dinner was in there and was discussing Prince's eating habits with the media almost immeditatly. As far the restaurant review it had more to do with all of the workers appearing to be high out of their ass and able to take food orders.

Just made wonder who the chefs are associating with as birds of a feather flock together. It is also bad for business to have a bunch drug heads interacting with your customers.

[Edited 5/23/17 7:59am]

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I thought that was weird how Prince's chef, Juell said he went to the fridge to see if Prince had eaten his dinner........Like WHY? That's strange, sorry!!

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Whether or not Prince ate his dinner should be the last thing on his mind!!

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

I did not think it was a lot either. I believe he had an Rx for this sometime in the past and he just

continued to take his normal dose until he wanted to get off of them.

I really think he had some other health issues that made him excelerate his intake of these meds which in turn made him want to get off of them. I think I lot of the whys and reasons are lost on the sensational drugged out rock star narrative or people who just want to make him the poster boy for pain meds.

When was anything about Prince easy and simple? Why would this stituation be any different?

The issue wasn't that there were a lot of pills, it was that a single pill was powerful enough to kill 15 people right? If that is the case, these pills had no other purpose other than to kill.

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^^ ^^

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

The issue wasn't that there were a lot of pills, it was that a single pill was powerful enough to kill 15 people right? If that is the case, these pills had no other purpose other than to kill.

The media is making it out to be a lot of pills when it appears to be the average a person on pain meds would have. Almost as if he knew when he purchased these things what a normal supply would be. I think it is interesting if you look past the sensationalism.

Yes, I believe they were loaded to kill.

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All it took was one bad pill, and Prince took that one. And, I will keep preaching from the mountain-tops, that Prince didn't know what he was taking!! Amen!!

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Someone did him wrong!

disch said:

Agree, rogifan. There's no point in attacking the chefs' business. Prince obviously liked their work enough to employ them for 3 years. As for their interviews: I could only find a couple from soon after Prince's death, and neither did they make a big deal of checking the fridge. And remember: the fans were (and are) CLAMORING for info from people close to him about his physical state. It seems weird to want more info about Prince's health, then lash out at someone who's in a position (and willing) to share the little bit of insight they have.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

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Did you guys know that Prince was financially helping out Juell and Ray Roberts with their child's education? Did you also know that Prince was not happy with their service and was planning on firing them? Did you note in the interview where he says that Prince was very picky and saw a "finger print" on one of his dishes and said to the chef "I am watching you."

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There is more to the story, folks.

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Now, the chef has a booming business and media attention because Prince died. Nice, huh?

leadline said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: Well he was Prince's chef, of course any conversations with him are going to center around food. But then again I'm not one of the kooks who thinks his chefs poisoned him so I have no reason to be suspicous about them.

And that is why you will never be an investigator Discounting the possibility of anything, because the thought of it sounds crazy, or, because the people in question said they are innocent, is a strange way to try to solve a case. Not saying they are guilty of anything, just saying ruling something out on those grounds is bad way to try to solve any case. Hopefully they pursued every lead and every possibility in their investigaton, but probably not yet since it is still an open case.

What one cannot deny, is the accuracy of this womans facts in the videos before anyone else had em. Psychic? Lucky? Who the hell knows, all I know is she has been accurate when all conventional thinking would dictate the possibility of that to be otherwise, and before there was any possibility of her attaining that information by conventional means.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, I will say it again, I discount nothing at face value, indlucing crazy videos on youtube of people claiming to be contacted by Prince in this case, but when their statements are on record before the fact, and turn out to be true, it can't just be tossed into the breeze as a coincidence.


History has also shown that when stuff happens like this, it is usually the people closest to you that are involved. Is that the case this time? I have no idea.


Time answers all questions right? In the meantime, I have no idea what is true or not true, but I will keep the options open to anything until difinitively proven otherwise.


You know I love your posts rogifan, so I write this with the utmost of respect.

[Edited 5/23/17 10:50am]

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leadline: I love how you think!! I agree; a good investigator looks at ALL angles, even the crazy ones! LOL

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Seriously though, I agree; it's usually those closest to you who are those responsible. Of course people are going to be suspicious of the Roberts because Prince did not eat his food that day, which leads me to believe that Prince was onto them and/or someone else who was trying to do him bodily harm and possibly killing him! I know I wouldn't eat any food my Chef prepared for me if I thought I was being poisoned. Just saying.