Bodhitheblackdog said:

Deep gratitude to everyone on this thread working so hard to get as close as possible to the truth of why we lost Prince too soon. The love expressed in all these efforts is palpable, powerful and ultimately will provide the balm for our collective grief. Blessings.

once again this^^^^^^^^somemore of this please.

Unfortunately, I think we could go back and forth on whether it was an accident or deliberate. We are trying to figure out what happened to someone who meant so much to all of us. That being said, we can rely upon what some others have revealed publically. The Graceland management group person said that Paisley Park needed a great deal of work/repair/maintenance in order to be ready to receive visitors; does anyone remember when PP would be painted every six months or so to keep it in top shape? In 2014, a Rolling Stone writer went to PP to interview Prince; the writer mentioned in the article that he saw evidence of disrepair, such as a couch with worn fabric. Does anyone ever think Prince would let something like that slide? IMO not unless he had something else on his mind to worry about/deal with. 2014 is the two years before - the year Tyka said he told her his work was done, that she knew or felt the end was coming. So what happened from 2014 to 2016? We can all review what we have read. Finally, (again I am a broken record on this) without the autopsy report we can do nothing but speculate as to his medical condition.

1Sasha said:

Unfortunately, I think we could go back and forth on whether it was an accident or deliberate. We are trying to figure out what happened to someone who meant so much to all of us. That being said, we can rely upon what some others have revealed publically. The Graceland management group person said that Paisley Park needed a great deal of work/repair/maintenance in order to be ready to receive visitors; does anyone remember when PP would be painted every six months or so to keep it in top shape? In 2014, a Rolling Stone writer went to PP to interview Prince; the writer mentioned in the article that he saw evidence of disrepair, such as a couch with worn fabric. Does anyone ever think Prince would let something like that slide? IMO not unless he had something else on his mind to worry about/deal with. 2014 is the two years before - the year Tyka said he told her his work was done, that she knew or felt the end was coming. So what happened from 2014 to 2016? We can all review what we have read. Finally, (again I am a broken record on this) without the autopsy report we can do nothing but speculate as to his medical condition.

great observations re PP 1Sasha...I remember a sinking feeling in my gut when I saw the 'egg' was in need of paint and I was told carpeting inside was torn and dirty...his mind was elsewhere.

1Sasha said:

Unfortunately, I think we could go back and forth on whether it was an accident or deliberate. We are trying to figure out what happened to someone who meant so much to all of us. That being said, we can rely upon what some others have revealed publically. The Graceland management group person said that Paisley Park needed a great deal of work/repair/maintenance in order to be ready to receive visitors; does anyone remember when PP would be painted every six months or so to keep it in top shape? In 2014, a Rolling Stone writer went to PP to interview Prince; the writer mentioned in the article that he saw evidence of disrepair, such as a couch with worn fabric. Does anyone ever think Prince would let something like that slide? IMO not unless he had something else on his mind to worry about/deal with. 2014 is the two years before - the year Tyka said he told her his work was done, that she knew or felt the end was coming. So what happened from 2014 to 2016? We can all review what we have read. Finally, (again I am a broken record on this) without the autopsy report we can do nothing but speculate as to his medical condition.

He has some work done because he put some pic on his Social media of some work on the sound stage and we know some of the exhibits were already together when Graceland came along. He may have been preparing to make upgrages or repairs for turning it into a museum.

I do believe something slowed him down from getting this museum project off the ground because blueprints and plans were drawn up. See some other things I have been thinking about.

1) A couple of other things I noticed. Why would Prince need to fly under an alias like Peter Bravestrong if he was taking private jets? He would not have had to check his luggage and he would not have needed a tag on the luggage?

2) Why did Romero the bodyguard say he packed Prince’s personal bags up and until the day he went on vacation and never saw any drugs in the bag? Did the police search all his bags? Was the bag that was search a bag or a suitcase?

3) Why was Prince covered up so much in the last year of his life even in St. Barts? He even has gloves on in many pictures. Go back to him watching the tennis match a few years back. He is sitting outside wearing a long sleeve top and a turtle neck. Was he cold all the time? Is being cold a sign of pill use?

4) Why did Chris Connell look like he was going to fall off the stage at his last show with not even enough drugs in his system to cause in overdose and Prince could get through an acoustic show without missing a beat. Chris had used drugs since he was 14 and he did not look like 50 miles of bad road in the face which is how Prince looked from pics from the Atlanta show.

5) Why are so many people that knew him adamant that he was not a recreational drug user? It is not that easy to hide the abuse of these pills over the long haul.

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All valid questions.

As for Chris Cornell: I think he had been off the wagon for more than that last night. I have viewed videos of him and he seemed "off" and some repeat concert-goers have said he wasn't the same.

I have thought that little black messenger bag Prince carried might have been the one with the supply, and that Romeo didn't pack it.

P was just so thin at the end - almost skeletal. You could see it in his face (plus he didn't have good color) and how his clothes just hung on him during the tour.

It is all just heartbreaking. Even today.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

No it has not. Not one creditable person has come forward. Not one. No one thinks Prince was some choir boy his nonstop women chasing tells us that. Many people have said he loved drinking wine and had a very good collection of wines but know one has said he was a recreational drug user and no recreational drug user worked as productively has he did for the long amount of time that he did.

Morris Hayes is saying that he recorded 10 albums from 2010 to 2016 and this is after his hip surgery when he was supposed to be having problems. No one is abusing drugs for 30- 40 years and getting the volume of work completed that he did. He also pissed off enough people that someone would have ratted him in a major way a long time ago and now without blinking an eyeball.

I read that when the tabs came to Minneapolis they got the doors slammed in their face and people told them there was nothing to tell. If you look in the Carver County court files he had one traffic ticket 10 years ago, yet he drove around his hometown all the time was he high while he was out driving?

No coincidences he knew his time was up.

Yes, this info has been on other threads. The posters when they come here and tell us what was going on, they get ran off the damn forum. Did I say he used 24/7? No I did not.

Do you have credible sources for when the tabs came, they got the door slammed in their face? TMZ isn't a reliable source.

Do you have a reliable source for "No coincidences he knew his time was up"?

Yes, I do have the link. See below. This article was about how the tabs were not able to get much info out of anyone. The Star Tribune is a reliable source they even tried to go tabloid with filing suit to get his divorce docs open to get internet clicks only to find nothing.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-gives-minnesotans-rare-taste-of-tabloid-journalism/382425061/

When Oprah Winfrey asked Prince why he still lived in Minnesota, the reclusive rocker gave a brief and somewhat enigmatic response.

“It’s so cold, it keeps the bad people out,” he said in the 1996 interview.

Prince might have been referring to the national news media, which he largely managed to cajole and control from his Paisley Park compound in Chanhassen, far from the usual paparazzi stamping grounds. But in the afterlife, Prince has lost the upper hand.

Celebrity-oriented websites and magazines have feasted off his untimely April 21 death with lurid headlines — “AIDS Killed Prince!” “Found! Prince Suicide Note!” “Prince Crushed Madonna’s Music Video Dream!” — designed to rack up clicks and trigger impulse buys at the supermarket. TMZ.com, which has led the chase from the start, recently drew web users with the tantalizing, and mainly unsubstantiated, lure of “Prince Adopted Me and Left Me $7 Million!”

The accuracy of such reports is often in question; the interest level is not. Sales for the two National Enquirer covers dedicated solely to Prince were up 20 percent from normal, said the tabloid’s editor in chief, Dylan Howard.

“With the exception of the run for the White House, it is the prominent talking point in America right now,” he said by phone. “This was a pop legend who transcended generations.”

JIM MONE • ASSOCIATED PRESS

Photographers swarmed Prince’s half-brother Alfred Jackson, center with sunglasses, as he arrived at the Carver County Courthouse in Chaska on May 2 in an estate matter.

More

Mainstream media have shown equal interest. People, Entertainment Weekly and Billboard magazine published tribute issues. Rolling Stone’s edition didn’t even use his name on the cover photo, a sign of respect and familiarity previously used to eulogize George Harrison and John Lennon.

When it comes to salacious details, no outlet has done more than TMZ, the first to report that Prince’s plane had an emergency landing in Illinois en route to Minneapolis on April 15 due to a health scare. It also broke the news that Prince had been found dead, and that he was taking opiates.

TMZ refuses to explain how it stayed a step ahead of the competition — representatives didn’t respond to interview requests — but the 11-year-old gossip outlet, which has also spawned a successful TV show, has a reputation for paying unnamed sources for tips, a practice considered off-limits by most traditional journalists.

A lengthy piece in the New Yorker in February revealed that employees for limousine services and airlines have tipped off TMZ in exchange for cash.

Howard said the Enquirer had not paid any money to sources for Prince stories, but he wouldn’t rule it out.

“People coming to us know we have an open checkbook,” Howard said. “As long as the information is verified.”

Often reliable

The practice may pain journalists who were schooled never to pay for inside information, but it’s hard to ignore that the tabloids have often led the way in coverage of celebrity deaths.

“I think you still need to be suspicious of their stories being enhanced or made up,” said Scott Libin, a former Twin Cities news director who serves as the ethics committee chairman for the Radio Television Digital News Association.

“But look at social media. Sometimes it’s reliable; sometimes it isn’t. TMZ, on this narrow topic, has had a pretty strong record. I don’t think I would ignore them.”

Money doesn’t always talk.

At least one national media representative has knocked on the door of Heather Hofmeister, hoping to secure the rights to a photo she snapped of her neighbor Prince riding his bicycle the weekend before he died.

“I was never offered a specific amount of money, but one person said they were talking thousands and thousands of dollars,” the local public relations executive said. “She was so surprised when I said no.”

‘Friendly’ Minnesotans

The offers that came Hofmeister’s way were from outside media companies that don’t have a deep bench of local informants or knowledge of the Twin Cities area. That didn’t stop the Enquirer from flying an employee to Minnesota within two hours of initial reports of his death.

Kristell Bernaud, a reporter from New York, had roughly 24 hours in town to collect material for a story she was doing for French television.

“Maybe it’s easier to do here than in a big city,” said Bernaud, who was dismissive of a local reporter’s suggestion that she stop by First Avenue nightclub in downtown Minneapolis. “People here are more friendly to journalists.”

Still, Minnesotans’ instinct to protect the state’s most famous resident, in life and death, may be making it difficult to feed the machine. It wasn’t unusual for Prince to convince locals to restrain from taking pictures of him or to remove snapshots from their cellphones.

“There’s simply not much to work with,” said Rick White, a creative director for IMP Features, a Netherlands-based agency that sells photos to numerous organizations, including Closer Magazine and the Enquirer.

Interest tapering off

While musical tributes continue to roll in, tabloid coverage has tapered off in the past two weeks, and pressure to get “scoops” has been low, at least at IMP.

“There has been interest in Prince, but it has not been as overwhelming as it was with, for example, Michael Jackson,” said White, who said he’d be surprised if anyone was paid more than $15,000 for any “exclusives” related to the story. “When we notice there is not a huge amount of interest, there is even less reason to potentially invade the privacy of a grieving family.”

That could change, however, as details continue to trickle in, most notably those related to the credibility of several people claiming to be relatives, and the content of Prince’s private vault.

“It’s got mystery, reports of drug use, the fact that he had such a fascinating life and so many unanswered questions,” Libin said. “Who could resist this story?”

@nealjustin

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said:

Ok, let's try this again...A seizure is the most likely diagnosis to be derived from the symptoms displayed in Moline...The eye witness account to medical personnel that P "stopped talking in mid sentence and then stared off into space and was unresponsive" are consistant with petit mal seizure...not an overdose...

.

Is it possibly that in addition to having a petit mal seizure he ALSO could have been in a state of overdose? Sure...why not...

.

But his symptoms upon medical personnel's first contact, the ones that caused them to administer Narcan, were not based on the visual symptom because those are not consistant with overdose...

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My guess is that after seeing the display of symptoms, someone inexperienced with medical matters SAID something to EMS like hey, I think he might've overdosed on something...Not because they knew it to be fact, but because they were inexperienced in what they'd seen so they ASSUMED it to be true...

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And when you say you think someone has overdosed to EMS, just to be sure in case you're right, they'll give Narcan...then it's in your chart that you got Narcan...and any moron, like a reporter, can see Narcan and theorize Oh she got Narcan must be a druggie who od'd...

[Edited 7/17/17 22:09pm]

We all know you have decades of medical experience, interestingly other people in addition to yourself also work in health care, and fully understand medical matters...I agree he could have had a seizure, in my opinion it sounds unlikely, but you and I and everyone here will never know, so it in not necessary for you to talk down to people that don't follow your lead...and I think a huge part of the non-medical population are smart enough and have had enough life experience to know the difference between a mini mal seizure and a drug overdose...

The point and ONLY point LBrent was trying to make, and help out here with was the fact that REGARDLESS of whether or not P had a petit mal seizure (which is LBrent's take on the Moline incident), when someone piped up (KJ)and claimed Prince had possibly OD'D on percocet, it is PROTOCOL to administer a Narcan shot, as doing so would not harm the patient, even if narcotics were absent from the patient's system. In lieu of LBrent trying to help, this went onto to a "who said what" tangent. And in regards to the "who said what", No, it was not "verified" that Prince OD'd on Percocet. KJ stated he THOUGHT Prince had "taken 1-2 Percocet" and the Dr. based his findings off of KJ's statement ONLY-as per warrant- , then Prince refused medical treatment.

1Sasha said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

agreed..even Dez said in his interview after Prince died that when Prince called a few weeks before his death, neither him nor Prince knew at the time it would be goodbye,and Dez continued on to say the the converstation "could've been serendipity or what have you, but I don't believe it was a coincidence".

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

Probably being the oldest person around here right now, I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. I think the way he had on the clothing that last day/night was intentional, where he was found was intentional, making arrangements the last year for his songs (Prince gave a POA to someone? P?), making amends with people he might have hurt in the past, etc. All of this was part of a plan because he was facing a medical crisis. Whether it was an opioid addiction and/or something else, he had a plan. This guy was OCD to the max. There was no way all of this randomly happened. JMO

agreed..even Dez said in his interview after Prince died that when Prince called a few weeks before his death, neither him nor Prince knew at the time it would be goodbye,and Dez continued on to say the the converstation "could've been serendipity or what have you, but I don't believe it was a coincidence".

great addition to this convo, precioux...rested up and ready for another day in the ring?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

agreed..even Dez said in his interview after Prince died that when Prince called a few weeks before his death, neither him nor Prince knew at the time it would be goodbye,and Dez continued on to say the the converstation "could've been serendipity or what have you, but I don't believe it was a coincidence".

great addition to this convo, precioux...rested up and ready for another day in the ring?

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do have the link. See below. This article was about how the tabs were not able to get much info out of anyone. The Star Tribune is a reliable source they even tried to go tabloid with filing suit to get his divorce docs open to get internet clicks only to find nothing.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-gives-minnesotans-rare-taste-of-tabloid-journalism/382425061/

When Oprah Winfrey asked Prince why he still lived in Minnesota, the reclusive rocker gave a brief and somewhat enigmatic response.

“It’s so cold, it keeps the bad people out,” he said in the 1996 interview.

Prince might have been referring to the national news media, which he largely managed to cajole and control from his Paisley Park compound in Chanhassen, far from the usual paparazzi stamping grounds. But in the afterlife, Prince has lost the upper hand.

Celebrity-oriented websites and magazines have feasted off his untimely April 21 death with lurid headlines — “AIDS Killed Prince!” “Found! Prince Suicide Note!” “Prince Crushed Madonna’s Music Video Dream!” — designed to rack up clicks and trigger impulse buys at the supermarket. TMZ.com, which has led the chase from the start, recently drew web users with the tantalizing, and mainly unsubstantiated, lure of “Prince Adopted Me and Left Me $7 Million!”

The accuracy of such reports is often in question; the interest level is not. Sales for the two National Enquirer covers dedicated solely to Prince were up 20 percent from normal, said the tabloid’s editor in chief, Dylan Howard.

“With the exception of the run for the White House, it is the prominent talking point in America right now,” he said by phone. “This was a pop legend who transcended generations.”

JIM MONE • ASSOCIATED PRESS

Photographers swarmed Prince’s half-brother Alfred Jackson, center with sunglasses, as he arrived at the Carver County Courthouse in Chaska on May 2 in an estate matter.

More

Mainstream media have shown equal interest. People, Entertainment Weekly and Billboard magazine published tribute issues. Rolling Stone’s edition didn’t even use his name on the cover photo, a sign of respect and familiarity previously used to eulogize George Harrison and John Lennon.

When it comes to salacious details, no outlet has done more than TMZ, the first to report that Prince’s plane had an emergency landing in Illinois en route to Minneapolis on April 15 due to a health scare. It also broke the news that Prince had been found dead, and that he was taking opiates.

TMZ refuses to explain how it stayed a step ahead of the competition — representatives didn’t respond to interview requests — but the 11-year-old gossip outlet, which has also spawned a successful TV show, has a reputation for paying unnamed sources for tips, a practice considered off-limits by most traditional journalists.

A lengthy piece in the New Yorker in February revealed that employees for limousine services and airlines have tipped off TMZ in exchange for cash.

Howard said the Enquirer had not paid any money to sources for Prince stories, but he wouldn’t rule it out.

“People coming to us know we have an open checkbook,” Howard said. “As long as the information is verified.”

Often reliable

The practice may pain journalists who were schooled never to pay for inside information, but it’s hard to ignore that the tabloids have often led the way in coverage of celebrity deaths.

“I think you still need to be suspicious of their stories being enhanced or made up,” said Scott Libin, a former Twin Cities news director who serves as the ethics committee chairman for the Radio Television Digital News Association.

“But look at social media. Sometimes it’s reliable; sometimes it isn’t. TMZ, on this narrow topic, has had a pretty strong record. I don’t think I would ignore them.”

Money doesn’t always talk.

At least one national media representative has knocked on the door of Heather Hofmeister, hoping to secure the rights to a photo she snapped of her neighbor Prince riding his bicycle the weekend before he died.

“I was never offered a specific amount of money, but one person said they were talking thousands and thousands of dollars,” the local public relations executive said. “She was so surprised when I said no.”

‘Friendly’ Minnesotans

The offers that came Hofmeister’s way were from outside media companies that don’t have a deep bench of local informants or knowledge of the Twin Cities area. That didn’t stop the Enquirer from flying an employee to Minnesota within two hours of initial reports of his death.

Kristell Bernaud, a reporter from New York, had roughly 24 hours in town to collect material for a story she was doing for French television.

“Maybe it’s easier to do here than in a big city,” said Bernaud, who was dismissive of a local reporter’s suggestion that she stop by First Avenue nightclub in downtown Minneapolis. “People here are more friendly to journalists.”

Still, Minnesotans’ instinct to protect the state’s most famous resident, in life and death, may be making it difficult to feed the machine. It wasn’t unusual for Prince to convince locals to restrain from taking pictures of him or to remove snapshots from their cellphones.

“There’s simply not much to work with,” said Rick White, a creative director for IMP Features, a Netherlands-based agency that sells photos to numerous organizations, including Closer Magazine and the Enquirer.

Interest tapering off

While musical tributes continue to roll in, tabloid coverage has tapered off in the past two weeks, and pressure to get “scoops” has been low, at least at IMP.

“There has been interest in Prince, but it has not been as overwhelming as it was with, for example, Michael Jackson,” said White, who said he’d be surprised if anyone was paid more than $15,000 for any “exclusives” related to the story. “When we notice there is not a huge amount of interest, there is even less reason to potentially invade the privacy of a grieving family.”

That could change, however, as details continue to trickle in, most notably those related to the credibility of several people claiming to be relatives, and the content of Prince’s private vault.

“It’s got mystery, reports of drug use, the fact that he had such a fascinating life and so many unanswered questions,” Libin said. “Who could resist this story?”

@nealjustin

Ok, So you said the Star Tribune is a reliable source. Correct?

I'm at work and it won't let me copy and paste but on the Prince Death Investigation Thread Part 3....Please see post #301.

The Star Tribune reported there were 2 narcan shots.

Now where is your reliable source of "No coincidence he knew his time was up"?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

Unfortunately, I think we could go back and forth on whether it was an accident or deliberate. We are trying to figure out what happened to someone who meant so much to all of us. That being said, we can rely upon what some others have revealed publically. The Graceland management group person said that Paisley Park needed a great deal of work/repair/maintenance in order to be ready to receive visitors; does anyone remember when PP would be painted every six months or so to keep it in top shape? In 2014, a Rolling Stone writer went to PP to interview Prince; the writer mentioned in the article that he saw evidence of disrepair, such as a couch with worn fabric. Does anyone ever think Prince would let something like that slide? IMO not unless he had something else on his mind to worry about/deal with. 2014 is the two years before - the year Tyka said he told her his work was done, that she knew or felt the end was coming. So what happened from 2014 to 2016? We can all review what we have read. Finally, (again I am a broken record on this) without the autopsy report we can do nothing but speculate as to his medical condition.

great observations re PP 1Sasha...I remember a sinking feeling in my gut when I saw the 'egg' was in need of paint and I was told carpeting inside was torn and dirty...his mind was elsewhere.

According to Dave Hampton the Egg was being used as a storage area when he worked for Prince in the mid 2000's. so no surprise that the carpets was torn or dirty.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do have the link. See below. This article was about how the tabs were not able to get much info out of anyone. The Star Tribune is a reliable source they even tried to go tabloid with filing suit to get his divorce docs open to get internet clicks only to find nothing.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-gives-minnesotans-rare-taste-of-tabloid-journalism/382425061/

When Oprah Winfrey asked Prince why he still lived in Minnesota, the reclusive rocker gave a brief and somewhat enigmatic response.

“It’s so cold, it keeps the bad people out,” he said in the 1996 interview.

Prince might have been referring to the national news media, which he largely managed to cajole and control from his Paisley Park compound in Chanhassen, far from the usual paparazzi stamping grounds. But in the afterlife, Prince has lost the upper hand.

Celebrity-oriented websites and magazines have feasted off his untimely April 21 death with lurid headlines — “AIDS Killed Prince!” “Found! Prince Suicide Note!” “Prince Crushed Madonna’s Music Video Dream!” — designed to rack up clicks and trigger impulse buys at the supermarket. TMZ.com, which has led the chase from the start, recently drew web users with the tantalizing, and mainly unsubstantiated, lure of “Prince Adopted Me and Left Me $7 Million!”

The accuracy of such reports is often in question; the interest level is not. Sales for the two National Enquirer covers dedicated solely to Prince were up 20 percent from normal, said the tabloid’s editor in chief, Dylan Howard.

“With the exception of the run for the White House, it is the prominent talking point in America right now,” he said by phone. “This was a pop legend who transcended generations.”

JIM MONE • ASSOCIATED PRESS

Photographers swarmed Prince’s half-brother Alfred Jackson, center with sunglasses, as he arrived at the Carver County Courthouse in Chaska on May 2 in an estate matter.

More

Mainstream media have shown equal interest. People, Entertainment Weekly and Billboard magazine published tribute issues. Rolling Stone’s edition didn’t even use his name on the cover photo, a sign of respect and familiarity previously used to eulogize George Harrison and John Lennon.

When it comes to salacious details, no outlet has done more than TMZ, the first to report that Prince’s plane had an emergency landing in Illinois en route to Minneapolis on April 15 due to a health scare. It also broke the news that Prince had been found dead, and that he was taking opiates.

TMZ refuses to explain how it stayed a step ahead of the competition — representatives didn’t respond to interview requests — but the 11-year-old gossip outlet, which has also spawned a successful TV show, has a reputation for paying unnamed sources for tips, a practice considered off-limits by most traditional journalists.

A lengthy piece in the New Yorker in February revealed that employees for limousine services and airlines have tipped off TMZ in exchange for cash.

Howard said the Enquirer had not paid any money to sources for Prince stories, but he wouldn’t rule it out.

“People coming to us know we have an open checkbook,” Howard said. “As long as the information is verified.”

Often reliable

The practice may pain journalists who were schooled never to pay for inside information, but it’s hard to ignore that the tabloids have often led the way in coverage of celebrity deaths.

“I think you still need to be suspicious of their stories being enhanced or made up,” said Scott Libin, a former Twin Cities news director who serves as the ethics committee chairman for the Radio Television Digital News Association.

“But look at social media. Sometimes it’s reliable; sometimes it isn’t. TMZ, on this narrow topic, has had a pretty strong record. I don’t think I would ignore them.”

Money doesn’t always talk.

At least one national media representative has knocked on the door of Heather Hofmeister, hoping to secure the rights to a photo she snapped of her neighbor Prince riding his bicycle the weekend before he died.

“I was never offered a specific amount of money, but one person said they were talking thousands and thousands of dollars,” the local public relations executive said. “She was so surprised when I said no.”

‘Friendly’ Minnesotans

The offers that came Hofmeister’s way were from outside media companies that don’t have a deep bench of local informants or knowledge of the Twin Cities area. That didn’t stop the Enquirer from flying an employee to Minnesota within two hours of initial reports of his death.

Kristell Bernaud, a reporter from New York, had roughly 24 hours in town to collect material for a story she was doing for French television.

“Maybe it’s easier to do here than in a big city,” said Bernaud, who was dismissive of a local reporter’s suggestion that she stop by First Avenue nightclub in downtown Minneapolis. “People here are more friendly to journalists.”

Still, Minnesotans’ instinct to protect the state’s most famous resident, in life and death, may be making it difficult to feed the machine. It wasn’t unusual for Prince to convince locals to restrain from taking pictures of him or to remove snapshots from their cellphones.

“There’s simply not much to work with,” said Rick White, a creative director for IMP Features, a Netherlands-based agency that sells photos to numerous organizations, including Closer Magazine and the Enquirer.

Interest tapering off

While musical tributes continue to roll in, tabloid coverage has tapered off in the past two weeks, and pressure to get “scoops” has been low, at least at IMP.

“There has been interest in Prince, but it has not been as overwhelming as it was with, for example, Michael Jackson,” said White, who said he’d be surprised if anyone was paid more than $15,000 for any “exclusives” related to the story. “When we notice there is not a huge amount of interest, there is even less reason to potentially invade the privacy of a grieving family.”

That could change, however, as details continue to trickle in, most notably those related to the credibility of several people claiming to be relatives, and the content of Prince’s private vault.

“It’s got mystery, reports of drug use, the fact that he had such a fascinating life and so many unanswered questions,” Libin said. “Who could resist this story?”

@nealjustin

Ok, So you said the Star Tribune is a reliable source. Correct?

I'm at work and it won't let me copy and paste but on the Prince Death Investigation Thread Part 3....Please see post #301.

The Star Tribune reported there were 2 narcan shots.

Now where is your reliable source of "No coincidence he knew his time was up"?

YOU GO, GIRL!

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

great observations re PP 1Sasha...I remember a sinking feeling in my gut when I saw the 'egg' was in need of paint and I was told carpeting inside was torn and dirty...his mind was elsewhere.

According to Dave Hampton the Egg was being used as a storage area when he worked for Prince in the mid 2000's. so no surprise that the carpets was torn or dirty.

sorry, meant to say I heard carpeting inside PP was torn and dirty.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said:

Ok, let's try this again...A seizure is the most likely diagnosis to be derived from the symptoms displayed in Moline...The eye witness account to medical personnel that P "stopped talking in mid sentence and then stared off into space and was unresponsive" are consistant with petit mal seizure...not an overdose...

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Is it possibly that in addition to having a petit mal seizure he ALSO could have been in a state of overdose? Sure...why not...

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But his symptoms upon medical personnel's first contact, the ones that caused them to administer Narcan, were not based on the visual symptom because those are not consistant with overdose...

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My guess is that after seeing the display of symptoms, someone inexperienced with medical matters SAID something to EMS like hey, I think he might've overdosed on something...Not because they knew it to be fact, but because they were inexperienced in what they'd seen so they ASSUMED it to be true...

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And when you say you think someone has overdosed to EMS, just to be sure in case you're right, they'll give Narcan...then it's in your chart that you got Narcan...and any moron, like a reporter, can see Narcan and theorize Oh she got Narcan must be a druggie who od'd...

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We all know you have decades of medical experience, interestingly other people in addition to yourself also work in health care, and fully understand medical matters...I agree he could have had a seizure, in my opinion it sounds unlikely, but you and I and everyone here will never know, so it in not necessary for you to talk down to people that don't follow your lead...and I think a huge part of the non-medical population are smart enough and have had enough life experience to know the difference between a mini mal seizure and a drug overdose...

The point that I'm trying to make is that this isn't so, if it were I wouldn't continue to revisit it...Y'all think ya know, but it's extraordinarily clear that y'all do not...

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It's not about "being smart"...It's about the ability, through experience, to discern that a symptom belongs to a very specific condition and not another...

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Feeling "talked down to" is not in question when speaking directly to folks who don't know something that is not only being presented clearly, but isn't negotiable...When something is teachable, like the symptoms of a condition, and someone tries to teach the principles much like they are taught in an academic setting, the folks who are interested in the subject attempt to learn...they don't continue with the narrative they "think" teaches the subject...They actually put their preconceived impressions aside to learn the facts of the information...

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If I thought people weren't "smart" I wouldn't keep offering the information...But I also know that this isn't rocket science...So I continue to repeat the facts...and some will get it...

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"Stop talking in mid sentence and staring blankly" is NOT a symptom that any medically trained person would hear and automatically think "overdose"...It's just not...Period...

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Now, those who think he overdosed in Moline may hear those symptoms and still think he overdosed...and they may be right...he may have...But those symptoms are not the symptoms that would describe overdose...to anyone medical...

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As a matter of fact, if you Google, like most non-medical folks probably will to find out, symptoms of overdose INCLUDE seizure...

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So, yeah...I guess Google's talking down to y'all too...

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I do have the link. See below. This article was about how the tabs were not able to get much info out of anyone. The Star Tribune is a reliable source they even tried to go tabloid with filing suit to get his divorce docs open to get internet clicks only to find nothing.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-death-gives-minnesotans-rare-taste-of-tabloid-journalism/382425061/

When Oprah Winfrey asked Prince why he still lived in Minnesota, the reclusive rocker gave a brief and somewhat enigmatic response.

“It’s so cold, it keeps the bad people out,” he said in the 1996 interview.

Prince might have been referring to the national news media, which he largely managed to cajole and control from his Paisley Park compound in Chanhassen, far from the usual paparazzi stamping grounds. But in the afterlife, Prince has lost the upper hand.

Celebrity-oriented websites and magazines have feasted off his untimely April 21 death with lurid headlines — “AIDS Killed Prince!” “Found! Prince Suicide Note!” “Prince Crushed Madonna’s Music Video Dream!” — designed to rack up clicks and trigger impulse buys at the supermarket. TMZ.com, which has led the chase from the start, recently drew web users with the tantalizing, and mainly unsubstantiated, lure of “Prince Adopted Me and Left Me $7 Million!”

The accuracy of such reports is often in question; the interest level is not. Sales for the two National Enquirer covers dedicated solely to Prince were up 20 percent from normal, said the tabloid’s editor in chief, Dylan Howard.

“With the exception of the run for the White House, it is the prominent talking point in America right now,” he said by phone. “This was a pop legend who transcended generations.”

JIM MONE • ASSOCIATED PRESS

Photographers swarmed Prince’s half-brother Alfred Jackson, center with sunglasses, as he arrived at the Carver County Courthouse in Chaska on May 2 in an estate matter.

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Mainstream media have shown equal interest. People, Entertainment Weekly and Billboard magazine published tribute issues. Rolling Stone’s edition didn’t even use his name on the cover photo, a sign of respect and familiarity previously used to eulogize George Harrison and John Lennon.

When it comes to salacious details, no outlet has done more than TMZ, the first to report that Prince’s plane had an emergency landing in Illinois en route to Minneapolis on April 15 due to a health scare. It also broke the news that Prince had been found dead, and that he was taking opiates.

TMZ refuses to explain how it stayed a step ahead of the competition — representatives didn’t respond to interview requests — but the 11-year-old gossip outlet, which has also spawned a successful TV show, has a reputation for paying unnamed sources for tips, a practice considered off-limits by most traditional journalists.

A lengthy piece in the New Yorker in February revealed that employees for limousine services and airlines have tipped off TMZ in exchange for cash.

Howard said the Enquirer had not paid any money to sources for Prince stories, but he wouldn’t rule it out.

“People coming to us know we have an open checkbook,” Howard said. “As long as the information is verified.”

Often reliable

The practice may pain journalists who were schooled never to pay for inside information, but it’s hard to ignore that the tabloids have often led the way in coverage of celebrity deaths.

“I think you still need to be suspicious of their stories being enhanced or made up,” said Scott Libin, a former Twin Cities news director who serves as the ethics committee chairman for the Radio Television Digital News Association.

“But look at social media. Sometimes it’s reliable; sometimes it isn’t. TMZ, on this narrow topic, has had a pretty strong record. I don’t think I would ignore them.”

Money doesn’t always talk.

At least one national media representative has knocked on the door of Heather Hofmeister, hoping to secure the rights to a photo she snapped of her neighbor Prince riding his bicycle the weekend before he died.

“I was never offered a specific amount of money, but one person said they were talking thousands and thousands of dollars,” the local public relations executive said. “She was so surprised when I said no.”

‘Friendly’ Minnesotans

The offers that came Hofmeister’s way were from outside media companies that don’t have a deep bench of local informants or knowledge of the Twin Cities area. That didn’t stop the Enquirer from flying an employee to Minnesota within two hours of initial reports of his death.

Kristell Bernaud, a reporter from New York, had roughly 24 hours in town to collect material for a story she was doing for French television.

“Maybe it’s easier to do here than in a big city,” said Bernaud, who was dismissive of a local reporter’s suggestion that she stop by First Avenue nightclub in downtown Minneapolis. “People here are more friendly to journalists.”

Still, Minnesotans’ instinct to protect the state’s most famous resident, in life and death, may be making it difficult to feed the machine. It wasn’t unusual for Prince to convince locals to restrain from taking pictures of him or to remove snapshots from their cellphones.

“There’s simply not much to work with,” said Rick White, a creative director for IMP Features, a Netherlands-based agency that sells photos to numerous organizations, including Closer Magazine and the Enquirer.

Interest tapering off

While musical tributes continue to roll in, tabloid coverage has tapered off in the past two weeks, and pressure to get “scoops” has been low, at least at IMP.

“There has been interest in Prince, but it has not been as overwhelming as it was with, for example, Michael Jackson,” said White, who said he’d be surprised if anyone was paid more than $15,000 for any “exclusives” related to the story. “When we notice there is not a huge amount of interest, there is even less reason to potentially invade the privacy of a grieving family.”

That could change, however, as details continue to trickle in, most notably those related to the credibility of several people claiming to be relatives, and the content of Prince’s private vault.

“It’s got mystery, reports of drug use, the fact that he had such a fascinating life and so many unanswered questions,” Libin said. “Who could resist this story?”

@nealjustin

Ok, So you said the Star Tribune is a reliable source. Correct?

I'm at work and it won't let me copy and paste but on the Prince Death Investigation Thread Part 3....Please see post #301.

The Star Tribune reported there were 2 narcan shots.

Now where is your reliable source of "No coincidence he knew his time was up"?

I bet if I find that Star Triubune article it is going to say from unknown sources. The hospital still to this day is saying he was never a patient so the hospital or the EMT service in Moline did not say he received two Narcan shots. The only information about those shots came from TMZ via unknown sources. Due to HIPPA we are never going to know what happened in that hospital or on that ambulance.

Someone in a Facebook group used FOIA to get a copy of the ambulance bill ( I know kind of crazy) I looked at it and the name has been blanked out but the date and cost of the ambulance ride is listed as well as a line item for supplies and I can tell you it is much less than what I recently read NARCAN is costing cities so now I am not so sure what was going on. Oh the name of course has been blanked out on the bill so once again no concrete proof just the date, time and city.

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See link to article about the cost of Narcan and excertp from article the bill I saw was no more than $1400.00 dollars and that included the ride itself. This artice is from July 7th.

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See article below https://www.washingtonpos...e0b6602---

Two doses of an injectable form of naloxone, Evzio, cost $4,500, up from $690 in 2014. The price of other forms of the drug, including the nasally administered Narcan, typically range from $70 to $150 per dose, officials say.

The only thing this invoice does is blow it out of the water that some orgers belived an ambulance ride would have cost 65k.

I am using deductive reasoning to blow coincidence out of the water. Too many things were done on purpose from making admends with people, to closing Paisley as a studio, the last somber mood of his tour, and giving anyone POA. 65k on his inventory sheet for medical expenses These are all facts.

[Edited 7/18/17 8:52am]

[Edited 7/18/17 9:14am]

LBrent said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said: We all know you have decades of medical experience, interestingly other people in addition to yourself also work in health care, and fully understand medical matters...I agree he could have had a seizure, in my opinion it sounds unlikely, but you and I and everyone here will never know, so it in not necessary for you to talk down to people that don't follow your lead...and I think a huge part of the non-medical population are smart enough and have had enough life experience to know the difference between a mini mal seizure and a drug overdose...

The point that I'm trying to make is that this isn't so, if it were I wouldn't continue to revisit it...Y'all think ya know, but it's extraordinarily clear that y'all do not...

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It's not about "being smart"...It's about the ability, through experience, to discern that a symptom belongs to a very specific condition and not another...

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Feeling "talked down to" is not in question when speaking directly to folks who don't know something that is not only being presented clearly, but isn't negotiable...When something is teachable, like the symptoms of a condition, and someone tries to teach the principles much like they are taught in an academic setting, the folks who are interested in the subject attempt to learn...they don't continue with the narrative they "think" teaches the subject...They actually put their preconceived impressions aside to learn the facts of the information...

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If I thought people weren't "smart" I wouldn't keep offering the information...But I also know that this isn't rocket science...So I continue to repeat the facts...and some will get it...

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"Stop talking in mid sentence and staring blankly" is NOT a symptom that any medically trained person would hear and automatically think "overdose"...It's just not...Period...

.

Now, those who think he overdosed in Moline may hear those symptoms and still think he overdosed...and they may be right...he may have...But those symptoms are not the symptoms that would describe overdose...to anyone medical...

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As a matter of fact, if you Google, like most non-medical folks probably will to find out, symptoms of overdose INCLUDE seizure...

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So, yeah...I guess Google's talking down to y'all too...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

According to Dave Hampton the Egg was being used as a storage area when he worked for Prince in the mid 2000's. so no surprise that the carpets was torn or dirty.

sorry, meant to say I heard carpeting inside PP was torn and dirty.

But he was also in the process of turning it into a museum a women who was hired to do interior decorating for the museum posted her specs on line of how the rooms would be painted and look.

He had plans.

LBrent said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said: We all know you have decades of medical experience, interestingly other people in addition to yourself also work in health care, and fully understand medical matters...I agree he could have had a seizure, in my opinion it sounds unlikely, but you and I and everyone here will never know, so it in not necessary for you to talk down to people that don't follow your lead...and I think a huge part of the non-medical population are smart enough and have had enough life experience to know the difference between a mini mal seizure and a drug overdose...

The point that I'm trying to make is that this isn't so, if it were I wouldn't continue to revisit it...Y'all think ya know, but it's extraordinarily clear that y'all do not...

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It's not about "being smart"...It's about the ability, through experience, to discern that a symptom belongs to a very specific condition and not another...

.

Feeling "talked down to" is not in question when speaking directly to folks who don't know something that is not only being presented clearly, but isn't negotiable...When something is teachable, like the symptoms of a condition, and someone tries to teach the principles much like they are taught in an academic setting, the folks who are interested in the subject attempt to learn...they don't continue with the narrative they "think" teaches the subject...They actually put their preconceived impressions aside to learn the facts of the information...

.

If I thought people weren't "smart" I wouldn't keep offering the information...But I also know that this isn't rocket science...So I continue to repeat the facts...and some will get it...

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"Stop talking in mid sentence and staring blankly" is NOT a symptom that any medically trained person would hear and automatically think "overdose"...It's just not...Period...

.

Now, those who think he overdosed in Moline may hear those symptoms and still think he overdosed...and they may be right...he may have...But those symptoms are not the symptoms that would describe overdose...to anyone medical...

.

As a matter of fact, if you Google, like most non-medical folks probably will to find out, symptoms of overdose INCLUDE seizure...

.

So, yeah...I guess Google's talking down to y'all too...

Laughing my ass off.

LBrent said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said:

The point that I'm trying to make is that this isn't so, if it were I wouldn't continue to revisit it...Y'all think ya know, but it's extraordinarily clear that y'all do not...

.

It's not about "being smart"...It's about the ability, through experience, to discern that a symptom belongs to a very specific condition and not another...

.

Feeling "talked down to" is not in question when speaking directly to folks who don't know something that is not only being presented clearly, but isn't negotiable...When something is teachable, like the symptoms of a condition, and someone tries to teach the principles much like they are taught in an academic setting, the folks who are interested in the subject attempt to learn...they don't continue with the narrative they "think" teaches the subject...They actually put their preconceived impressions aside to learn the facts of the information...

.

If I thought people weren't "smart" I wouldn't keep offering the information...But I also know that this isn't rocket science...So I continue to repeat the facts...and some will get it...

.

"Stop talking in mid sentence and staring blankly" is NOT a symptom that any medically trained person would hear and automatically think "overdose"...It's just not...Period...

.

Now, those who think he overdosed in Moline may hear those symptoms and still think he overdosed...and they may be right...he may have...But those symptoms are not the symptoms that would describe overdose...to anyone medical...

.

As a matter of fact, if you Google, like most non-medical folks probably will to find out, symptoms of overdose INCLUDE seizure...

.

So, yeah...I guess Google's talking down to y'all too...

This is simply your opinion...if you are the director of the Mayo Clinic you have no better idea what happened on that plain than anyone else...and you state your opinion as fact, and it is not...and people that overdose can an do have the same onset symptoms that have been described (in my opinion)you think some one that is on the verge of overdosing may not stop talking and have a blank look on their face before the full blown event? So again, I get your OPINION about what happened but everyone does not agree, it's o.k...

What is your medical background?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LBrent said:

The point that I'm trying to make is that this isn't so, if it were I wouldn't continue to revisit it...Y'all think ya know, but it's extraordinarily clear that y'all do not...

.

It's not about "being smart"...It's about the ability, through experience, to discern that a symptom belongs to a very specific condition and not another...

.

Feeling "talked down to" is not in question when speaking directly to folks who don't know something that is not only being presented clearly, but isn't negotiable...When something is teachable, like the symptoms of a condition, and someone tries to teach the principles much like they are taught in an academic setting, the folks who are interested in the subject attempt to learn...they don't continue with the narrative they "think" teaches the subject...They actually put their preconceived impressions aside to learn the facts of the information...

.

If I thought people weren't "smart" I wouldn't keep offering the information...But I also know that this isn't rocket science...So I continue to repeat the facts...and some will get it...

.

"Stop talking in mid sentence and staring blankly" is NOT a symptom that any medically trained person would hear and automatically think "overdose"...It's just not...Period...

.

Now, those who think he overdosed in Moline may hear those symptoms and still think he overdosed...and they may be right...he may have...But those symptoms are not the symptoms that would describe overdose...to anyone medical...

.

As a matter of fact, if you Google, like most non-medical folks probably will to find out, symptoms of overdose INCLUDE seizure...

.

So, yeah...I guess Google's talking down to y'all too...

This is simply your opinion...if you are the director of the Mayo Clinic you have no better idea what happened on that plain than anyone else...and you state your opinion as fact, and it is not...and people that overdose can an do have the same onset symptoms that have been described (in my opinion)you think some one that is on the verge of overdosing may not stop talking and have a blank look on their face before the full blown event? So again, I get your OPINION about what happened but everyone does not agree, it's o.k...

LMAO...Aw...

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Hon, I've made eggplant parmigiana...Prickly pear is NOT an ingredient...Regardless of someone whose never made it putting it on a list of ingrdients, it's not an ingredient...

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That's not an opinion...it exists as a fact...Even if yo gramma made it that way...it's not eggplant parm...Sorry...

back in the day we would say that someone needs to get their head banged against the headboard a few times...

laurarichardson said:

Re: Moline OD: It's not just some random, silly belief that he ODed. A warrant states "the Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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It was also reported in many reputable publications that he was revived with Narcan; for example in this New York Times article: "he was revived on the tarmac with a shot of Narcan."

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I'd be interested to read information from a reputable source that his plane emergency wasn't opioid-related, but I haven't seen anything like that. Just people insisting that this one sentence from the Judith Hill article -- "His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- somehow means he didn't OD.

Were the police contacted in Moline? If so, is there an incident report? Or was that strictly medical with no authorities involved? I don't know what the Illinois statutes mandate, but I am wondering about other reports that might flesh out what happened that night.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Ok, So you said the Star Tribune is a reliable source. Correct?

I'm at work and it won't let me copy and paste but on the Prince Death Investigation Thread Part 3....Please see post #301.

The Star Tribune reported there were 2 narcan shots.

Now where is your reliable source of "No coincidence he knew his time was up"?

I bet if I find that Star Triubune article it is going to say from unknown sources. The hospital still to this day is saying he was never a patient so the hospital or the EMT service in Moline did not say he received two Narcan shots. The only information about those shots came from TMZ via unknown sources. Due to HIPPA we are never going to know what happened in that hospital or on that ambulance.

Someone in a Facebook group used FOIA to get a copy of the ambulance bill ( I know kind of crazy) I looked at it and the name has been blanked out but the date and cost of the ambulance ride is listed as well as a line item for supplies and I can tell you it is much less than what I recently read NARCAN is costing cities so now I am not so sure what was going on. Oh the name of course has been blanked out on the bill so once again no concrete proof just the date, time and city.

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See link to article about the cost of Narcan and excertp from article the bill I saw was no more than $1400.00 dollars and that included the ride itself. This artice is from July 7th.

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See article below https://www.washingtonpos...e0b6602---

Two doses of an injectable form of naloxone, Evzio, cost $4,500, up from $690 in 2014. The price of other forms of the drug, including the nasally administered Narcan, typically range from $70 to $150 per dose, officials say.

The only thing this invoice does is blow it out of the water that some orgers belived an ambulance ride would have cost 65k.

I am using deductive reasoning to blow coincidence out of the water. Too many things were done on purpose from making admends with people, to closing Paisley as a studio, the last somber mood of his tour, and giving anyone POA. 65k on his inventory sheet for medical expenses These are all facts.

[Edited 7/18/17 8:52am]

[Edited 7/18/17 9:14am]

So the Star Tribune is only a reliable source, if and when you say it is? If it comes from the Star Tribune and you like what the article says, it's reliable. If it comes from the Star Tribune and you don't like what the article states, it's not reliable.

Ok. Got it.

And by the way, per your article that you posted that nobody would give interviews in MN, then how did we get the pics of him on his bike that the girl took of him, and gave the interview??????

Okay so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. You also have a medical professional telling you that people are given Narcan when they are just unresponsive. The information about what he took in Moline the search warrants came from Kirk. I do not take anything he has to say seriously.

disch said:

Re: Moline OD: It's not just some random, silly belief that he ODed. A warrant states "the Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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It was also reported in many reputable publications that he was revived with Narcan; for example in this New York Times article: "he was revived on the tarmac with a shot of Narcan."

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I'd be interested to read information from a reputable source that his plane emergency wasn't opioid-related, but I haven't seen anything like that. Just people insisting that this one sentence from the Judith Hill article -- "His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- somehow means he didn't OD.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

What is your medical background?

I am a veterinarian specializing in large animal surgery...I will let the expert take it from...have a good day...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2: THANK YOU for your posts and willingness to share your professional knowledge in such a compassionate and helpful way, Please come back!

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I bet if I find that Star Triubune article it is going to say from unknown sources. The hospital still to this day is saying he was never a patient so the hospital or the EMT service in Moline did not say he received two Narcan shots. The only information about those shots came from TMZ via unknown sources. Due to HIPPA we are never going to know what happened in that hospital or on that ambulance.

Someone in a Facebook group used FOIA to get a copy of the ambulance bill ( I know kind of crazy) I looked at it and the name has been blanked out but the date and cost of the ambulance ride is listed as well as a line item for supplies and I can tell you it is much less than what I recently read NARCAN is costing cities so now I am not so sure what was going on. Oh the name of course has been blanked out on the bill so once again no concrete proof just the date, time and city.

--

See link to article about the cost of Narcan and excertp from article the bill I saw was no more than $1400.00 dollars and that included the ride itself. This artice is from July 7th.

--

See article below https://www.washingtonpos...e0b6602---

Two doses of an injectable form of naloxone, Evzio, cost $4,500, up from $690 in 2014. The price of other forms of the drug, including the nasally administered Narcan, typically range from $70 to $150 per dose, officials say.

The only thing this invoice does is blow it out of the water that some orgers belived an ambulance ride would have cost 65k.

I am using deductive reasoning to blow coincidence out of the water. Too many things were done on purpose from making admends with people, to closing Paisley as a studio, the last somber mood of his tour, and giving anyone POA. 65k on his inventory sheet for medical expenses These are all facts.

[Edited 7/18/17 8:52am]

[Edited 7/18/17 9:14am]

So the Star Tribune is only a reliable source, if and when you say it is? If it comes from the Star Tribune and you like what the article says, it's reliable. If it comes from the Star Tribune and you don't like what the article states, it's not reliable.

Ok. Got it.

And by the way, per your article that you posted that nobody would give interviews in MN, then how did we get the pics of him on his bike that the girl took of him, and gave the interview??????

You wanted to see the link about the article about people in Minn not having too much to say about Prince and his wild times with drugs. I provided you with the link. May whole point which you challegened was that it is odd that none have mentioned his wild times abusing drugs in the Minneaoplis suburbs or within his own music community. I provided the info you claim I did not have.

In fact I have provide more than one link to back up w hat I have to say. I believe things that are plausible and factual. I do not get my info from TMZ or tabloids. I understand HIPPA laws and I understand that we will never know all of his medical issues unless his family wants to release the i nformation.

If you cannot tell the difference from what we know from actual factual info from unkown sources I cannot help you.

As for your second question. Are you even trying to ask good questions anymore?

The article is about people not spreading rumors about Prince's life via the media based on Tabloids coming to town and paying for info. The women who took the picture is being interviewed by a real newspaper about why she did not sell her picture to a tabloid. Did you notice that she did not sell the pic to the Star Tribune? Did you notice that the Star Tribune is not a tabloid ? Did you know that the article is not a gossip tell all about Prince's life?

We are discussing interviews that people did not give exposing Prince's personal life and supposed drug use which are not discussed in this artilce at all.