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Reply #60 posted 05/22/17 3:30pm

miamibaby

moonsister said:

miamibaby said:

I read this article by Ebony with an interview with Prince back in 2015. Prince stated someone was after his vault and said should he fear for his life. He seemed to say it in a joking way but it makes you wonder now if he was really joking or not. It wouldn't be the first time he told a journalist he feared for his life.


Come on now he was being sarcastic in that interview. And he overreacted to a crazed fan.

Well I guess you don't know the article I'm referring to because it was not a fan that was after his vault, Prince said it was an engineer .
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Reply #61 posted 05/22/17 3:32pm

kmama07

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.
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Reply #62 posted 05/22/17 3:38pm

Bassette

PennyPurple said:



Bassette said:


About six months ago, people wrote about DEA contacting orgers. Does anyone know, whether the results have been made public?

Wasn't it only 1 person that they contacted, who happens to be a member of this forum? That poster decided to call Paisley Park, the day Prince died. They were checking out the calls to and from PP.


Oh, I thought there were more...
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Reply #63 posted 05/22/17 3:42pm

miamibaby

kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

Did he have any enemies or piss anyone off in the last year? Any conflicts? MJ was killed in purpose according to his family and MJ didn't seem to stir up anything
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Reply #64 posted 05/22/17 3:56pm

moonsister

kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

I think it might be more about second hand shame some folks are feeling because they don't want to believe he had an opioid addiction like thousands of other mere mortal Americans have.
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Reply #65 posted 05/22/17 4:02pm

miamibaby

Bassette said:

PennyPurple said:



Bassette said:


About six months ago, people wrote about DEA contacting orgers. Does anyone know, whether the results have been made public?

Wasn't it only 1 person that they contacted, who happens to be a member of this forum? That poster decided to call Paisley Park, the day Prince died. They were checking out the calls to and from PP.


Oh, I thought there were more...

You're right basset, it was 3
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Reply #66 posted 05/22/17 4:08pm

PennyPurple

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miamibaby said:

Bassette said:
Oh, I thought there were more...
You're right basset, it was 3

How would you know? You've not been on here longer then a month...unless you're someone else....

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And then you have to wonder why anybody would call Paisley Park, when Prince died? Did they think they'd get an answer?

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Reply #67 posted 05/22/17 4:12pm

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Bassette said:

PennyPurple said:

Wasn't it only 1 person that they contacted, who happens to be a member of this forum? That poster decided to call Paisley Park, the day Prince died. They were checking out the calls to and from PP.

Oh, I thought there were more...

Here's the thread, so you can check it out.

http://prince.org/msg/7/437650

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Reply #68 posted 05/22/17 4:18pm

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Bassette said:

About six months ago, people wrote about DEA contacting orgers. Does anyone know, whether the results have been made public?

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That's interesting. I haven't heard about that. I'm sure if they have that all information would be kept confidential.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #69 posted 05/22/17 4:20pm

cloveringold85

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PennyPurple said:

Bassette said:

PennyPurple said: Oh, I thought there were more...

Here's the thread, so you can check it out.

http://prince.org/msg/7/437650

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Interesting.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #70 posted 05/22/17 4:21pm

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Bassette said:

PennyPurple said:

Wasn't it only 1 person that they contacted, who happens to be a member of this forum? That poster decided to call Paisley Park, the day Prince died. They were checking out the calls to and from PP.

Oh, I thought there were more...

Please see post #74 on the link I provided...the one that you posted.....

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Reply #71 posted 05/22/17 4:23pm

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miamibaby said:

Bassette said:
Oh, I thought there were more...
You're right basset, it was 3

I only see 1 on this thread, are there more threads?

http://prince.org/msg/7/437650

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Reply #72 posted 05/22/17 4:30pm

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kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

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Prince was a very private man, so we just don't know if he had any enemies. I mean, Prince says he is fine after the Moline emergency, then next thing we know, he's found unresponsive in the elevator at PP. We all heard about the supposed death threats he was getting after his deal with WB. Kirk was very close to Prince and I think he knows more than what he is saying. A lot of people know things, but they aren't talking.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #73 posted 05/22/17 5:11pm

moonsister

Medical Examiner: 'Fentanyl Toxicity' Killed Prince

Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.

Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.

"These are preventable deaths, and more work needs to be done," said Hennepin County Sheriff Rich Stanek.

Even before Prince's death, the DEA had already issued a nationwide alert in the form of a public service announcement in 2015. In the warning, Jack Reilly, then the special agent in charge of the Chicago office said, "It's flowing from China to Canada and Mexico, into Chicago and then spreading through the Midwest into Minnesota and Wisconsin."

Multiple sources confirmed that in the year leading up to Prince's overdose, there weren't any prescriptions for controlled medications in his name in Minnesota. That prompted law enforcement to question whether he or someone else bought the fentanyl, not knowing it was mislabeled or how powerful it was.

Sources say the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension analyzed some pills found at Paisley Park that were falsely stamped with "Watson 385" on them.

Said Jill Oliveira, a spokesperson with the BCA: "Watson 385 is a legitimate prescription-only medicine which contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone, and we see it in the lab all the time."

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street.

The BCA handles drug testing for local agencies across the state, while the DEA handles drug screening at the regional and national level. Dubach, the forensic chemist, works at one of the eight labs in Chicago which tests for 13 states.

"Our job is to identify substances seized by law enforcement, and if they think it might be fentanyl we make it a priority," she said.

The lab is situated inside a downtown Chicago high-rise with security guards at the entrance. Thirty-thousand boxes, bags and containers of evidence are stored behind locked metal gates. Access is limited and everything is safeguarded, including chemists, who wear protective gear to avoid exposure to the unknown.

On average, 500 undetermined substances are tested every month in the Chicago lab. That amounts to 6,000 a year. Chemists measure the weight of a sample and also the purity. Then, a color test is done during which a liqud is dropped onto a sample.

"You can tell if it's starting to turn a reddish-purple color, that's a sign of heroin," Norris said.

The DEA doesn't just take Norris' word for it -- more extensive testing is done on every sample using various machines for further confirmation. In recent years, chemists have identified 15 fentanyl-related formulas. Dubach said it's a challenge to keep up because dealers are constantly changing the chemical make-up of fentanyl to stay ahead of the law.

"Where fentanyl might be illegal, maybe they make a different formula of it with compounds that aren't illegal," Dubach said. "Then they can distribute those, and it's how they circumvent the law to try and make a profit."

The Minnesota Department of Health tracks drug overdose deaths in the state. A spokesperson said those related to fentanyl aren't specifically noted, but most can be attributed to at least in part to fentanyl. In 2000, the health department reported six people died in the state of fentanyl-related overdoses. In 2015, the figure was 54.

As for the investigation into where Prince obtained the fentanyl, Jason Kamerud with the Carver County Sheriff's Department confirmed it's still an active and ongoing case.

From KTSP.com
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Reply #74 posted 05/22/17 5:40pm

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THIS.......... Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources. eek

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^^ This is why I firmly believe that Prince was unaware of what he was taking. ^^

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And, this is why his death is very suspicious. sad

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #75 posted 05/22/17 6:05pm

disch

I think it's been widely assumed (though obviously not established as a fact) that Prince didn't know he was taking fentanyl -- the counterfeit opioids he acquired from the black market were fentanyl-laced, which is a widespread problem. He likely didn't even know his black-market drugs were counterfeit, let alone fentanyl-laced. And the person who provided him the drugs may not have known about the fentanyl, either.

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None of this is new info and it's basically the same stuff that's been reported since the early days after his death, and definitely since last August when it was reported that fentanyl-laced counterfeit opioids were found at Paisely Park.

cloveringold85 said:

THIS.......... Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources. eek

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^^ This is why I firmly believe that Prince was unaware of what he was taking. ^^

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And, this is why his death is very suspicious. sad

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Reply #76 posted 05/22/17 6:09pm

miamibaby

cloveringold85 said:

THIS..... Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources. eek


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^^ This is why I firmly believe that Prince was unaware of what he was taking. ^^


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And, this is why his death is very suspicious. sad




It's even more suspicious now . I thought his fen level was enough to kill 3 large men but now they're saying enough to kill an elephant.! How could they make that pill without dying themselves. They must have had on a hazmat suit.
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Reply #77 posted 05/22/17 6:57pm

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kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

--People kill people everyday for all sorts of nut sorts of nutty reasons. We know he had crazy ass women stalking him and he sure pissed enough of them off.
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Reply #78 posted 05/22/17 7:01pm

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moonsister said:

kmama07 said:

I swear...I am not trying to be an arse or stir the pot! I really would like to know what motive anyone thinks someone may have had to hurt him on purpose. I understand the difference between murder and homicide in terms of a supplier/ manufacturer being charged with unintentional death of a person. But there have been several comments regarding the thought P may have been hurt intentionally. I just don't see a motive for that. I mean, he was supporting people financially, and I would imagine if someone wanted him dead for financial gain he/she would have made darn sure there wouldn't be all the confusion there has been regarding a will, the heirs, etc.

I think it might be more about second hand shame some folks are feeling because they don't want to believe he had an opioid addiction like thousands of other mere mortal Americans have.

--Ridiculous no second hand shame there are things about this stituation that make no damm sense.
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Reply #79 posted 05/22/17 7:05pm

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moonsister said:

miamibaby said:

I read this article by Ebony with an interview with Prince back in 2015. Prince stated someone was after his vault and said should he fear for his life. He seemed to say it in a joking way but it makes you wonder now if he was really joking or not. It wouldn't be the first time he told a journalist he feared for his life.


Come on now he was being sarcastic in that interview. And he overreacted to a crazed fan.

-I have the Enony article it was not about a fan. He was talking about Susan Rogers and her comments about getting into his vault and getting stuff out. Rember people were having forums and discussing Orince had if he died already and they were licking their chops. It must have been upseting to have people talk about you like you were dead already.
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Reply #80 posted 05/22/17 7:38pm

moonsister

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:


Come on now he was being sarcastic in that interview. And he overreacted to a crazed fan.

-I have the Enony article it was not about a fan. He was talking about Susan Rogers and her comments about getting into his vault and getting stuff out. Rember people were having forums and discussing Orince had if he died already and they were licking their chops. It must have been upseting to have people talk about you like you were dead already.

The writing was on the wall though but I really wish he would have gotten help sooner.
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Reply #81 posted 05/22/17 9:13pm

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miamibaby said:

cloveringold85 said:

THIS..... Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources. eek


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^^ This is why I firmly believe that Prince was unaware of what he was taking. ^^


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And, this is why his death is very suspicious. sad




It's even more suspicious now . I thought his fen level was enough to kill 3 large men but now they're saying enough to kill an elephant.! How could they make that pill without dying themselves. They must have had on a hazmat suit.

Agree with you both....his death is very suspicious.
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Reply #82 posted 05/22/17 9:16pm

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laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:


Come on now he was being sarcastic in that interview. And he overreacted to a crazed fan.

-I have the Enony article it was not about a fan. He was talking about Susan Rogers and her comments about getting into his vault and getting stuff out. Rember people were having forums and discussing Orince had if he died already and they were licking their chops. It must have been upseting to have people talk about you like you were dead already.

Hmmmm vultures
He also had a post on social media with a picture of a vulture with a scratch on its neck
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Reply #83 posted 05/22/17 9:28pm

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cloveringold85 said:

What do authorities say happened?


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Investigators heard plenty from the people at Paisley Park when Prince’s body was discovered. They told investigators that Prince was recently “going through withdrawals, which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication.”


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When authorities later checked a database set up to monitor who’s getting prescriptions for controlled substances, they found nothing for Prince. But there was a prescription for the opioid painkiller oxycodone written for Kirk Johnson, Prince’s bodyguard.


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The prescription was dated April 14, 2016, the same day Prince was revived with an anti-overdose drug after falling ill on a plane. Dr. Michael Schulenberg, who wrote the prescription, told authorities he put the prescription in Johnson’s name to protect Prince’s privacy, according to a detective’s affidavit.


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Schulenberg’s attorney, Amy Conners, said in a statement that Schulenberg never prescribed opioids to Prince directly nor to another person with the intent of giving them to the singer.


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Johnson’s attorney, Clayton Tyler, said Johnson “did not secure nor supply the drugs which caused Prince’s death.” An autopsy showed Prince died of an overdose of fentanyl, another drug in the opioid family.


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http://press-leader.com/n...-addiction



The issue is "they" said Prince was recently going through withdrawals ...Prince no longer had a voice so they painted that picture as he had a problem.
He clearly did not as there was
No dr shopping
No prescriptions for opioids
He was still performing and doing it well
Was concerned about what happened on the plane possibly not sure how that even happened
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Reply #84 posted 05/23/17 1:40am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:


The issue is "they" said Prince was recently going through withdrawals ...Prince no longer had a voice so they painted that picture as he had a problem. He clearly did not as there was No dr shopping No prescriptions for opioids He was still performing and doing it well Was concerned about what happened on the plane possibly not sure how that even happened

But he had illegal street pills laced with fentanyl.

RIP sad
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Reply #85 posted 05/23/17 3:55am

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TheEnglishGent said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:






The issue is "they" said Prince was recently going through withdrawals ...Prince no longer had a voice so they painted that picture as he had a problem. He clearly did not as there was No dr shopping No prescriptions for opioids He was still performing and doing it well Was concerned about what happened on the plane possibly not sure how that even happened

But he had illegal street pills laced with fentanyl.





Did he? Maybe.....maybe not. hmmm

We don't know how the illicit drugs came to be at PP and we can't ask him.
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Reply #86 posted 05/23/17 3:58am

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zenarose said:

TheEnglishGent said:

But he had illegal street pills laced with fentanyl.

Did he? Maybe.....maybe not. hmmm

According to the documents I thought at least 24 pills were found containing fentanyl. They weren't legally available pills.

RIP sad
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Reply #87 posted 05/23/17 4:11am

1Sasha

Where did these detailed results come from? Frankly, they look like he swallowed a whole bottle, but then Fentanyl is deadly in small amounts. But those numbers give me great pause, if they are accurate.

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Reply #88 posted 05/23/17 4:45am

zenarose

Documents can be falsified just the same as verbal statements. There have been and continue to be many contradictions. From witness statements to LE reports to court filings. We cannot just accept things at face value. We are lied to every day about many things and we are expected to just accept it and move on without question, we are expected to keep on walking and ignore everything happening around us. I'm NOT going to do that. I am not going to live in a "dumbed down" state. I'm not believing the lies and deception. The Prince was a drug addict and had drugs hid all over his house, just ain't gettin' it for me. That is exactly what we are expected to believe. no no no! chatterbox
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Reply #89 posted 05/23/17 4:48am

kmama07

zenarose said:

Documents can be falsified just the same as verbal statements. There have been and continue to be many contradictions. From witness statements to LE reports to court filings. We cannot just accept things at face value. We are lied to every day about many things and we are expected to just accept it and move on without question, we are expected to keep on walking and ignore everything happening around us. I'm NOT going to do that. I am not going to live in a "dumbed down" state. I'm not believing the lies and deception. The Prince was a drug addict and had drugs hid all over his house, just ain't gettin' it for me. That is exactly what we are expected to believe. no no no! chatterbox

I understand what you are getting at. So the frustration, if that is true , is:
Why then aren't his people/camp saying otherwise...and going out of their way to make sure people know that wasn't the case?
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