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Thread started 05/04/17 9:06am

RodeoSchro

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Did Prince ever have a "filler" cut on an album?


I am talking about officially released songs on offically released albums ONLY.

Honestly, I don't think so. There's no song he's ever done that I have heard where I listened to it and thought, "Meh. He did this in about 30 minutes".

Every released song I've listened to (which is all of them, I hope) has many elements in it that reflects a lot of thought and inspiration.

The only song I can even remotely think of as a quickly-done filler cut is "Zannalee" but even that song was given the vioce-over treatment. So I don't consider even that song as "filler".

How about you? Anything you think of as filler?

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Reply #1 posted 05/04/17 9:14am

rdhull

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Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.

During the classic era though:

Glam Slam

The Max

Arrogance

It

Hot Thing

Tick Tick Bang

Trust

Lemon Crush

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Reply #2 posted 05/04/17 9:31am

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rdhull said:

Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.

During the classic era though:

Glam Slam

The Max

Arrogance

It

Hot Thing

Tick Tick Bang

Trust

Lemon Crush


I must have a different definition of "filler"... 2 of these were singles.

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Reply #3 posted 05/04/17 9:33am

homesquid

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Is this asked in jest? I mean...really? I'd say no 1979-1990 but after that holy shitballs YES.

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Reply #4 posted 05/04/17 9:34am

rdhull

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djThunderfunk said:

rdhull said:

Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.

During the classic era though:

Glam Slam

The Max

Arrogance

It

Hot Thing

Tick Tick Bang

Trust

Lemon Crush


I must have a different definition of "filler"... 2 of these were singles.

Im aware. As a whole, listening to the albums in one sitting, these seemed likefiller to me per rodeo's filler requiremnts. Not that I dont like/love some of them (Lemon Crush, Glam, It) either.

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Reply #5 posted 05/04/17 9:36am

djThunderfunk

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rdhull said:

djThunderfunk said:


I must have a different definition of "filler"... 2 of these were singles.

Im aware. As a whole, listening tomthe albums in one sitting, these seemed likefiller to me per rodeo's filler requiremnts. Not that I dont like/love some of them (Lemon Crush, Glam, It) either.


Re-reading the OP, I see what you mean.

I evidently do have a different definition of "filler" it seems. wink


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Reply #6 posted 05/04/17 9:37am

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rdhull said:

Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.



During the classic era though:



Glam Slam


The Max


Arrogance


It


Hot Thing


Tick Tick Bang


Trust


Lemon Crush




i could see you saying "Lemon Crush"....but the rest of that list?...filler?....nah
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Reply #7 posted 05/04/17 9:39am

rdhull

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RJOrion said:

rdhull said:

Come and Chaos n Disorder seem like filler songs as albums mostly.

During the classic era though:

Glam Slam

The Max

Arrogance

It

Hot Thing

Tick Tick Bang

Trust

Lemon Crush

i could see you saying "Trust"....but the rest of that list?...filler?....nah

Y'all REALLY love Symbol album. I have no idea why though. The whole album could be erased from his repetoire and not be missed.

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Reply #8 posted 05/04/17 9:49am

RJOrion

Chaos & Disorder and Planet Earth, were complete albums of fillers...3121 has some too.. ...Lotusflow3r too... the 3rd Eye Girl lp is heavy with filler...The Gold Experience lp has some too..thats about it though...i wont even consider judging the 2 hitnrun albums since the man was getting himself ready to go home...
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Reply #9 posted 05/04/17 9:50am

RodeoSchro

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rdhull said:

RJOrion said:

rdhull said: i could see you saying "Trust"....but the rest of that list?...filler?....nah

Y'all REALLY love Symbol album. I have no idea why though. The whole album could be erased from his repetoire and not be missed.



Just because you don't like the songs doesn't make them filler.

Remember, I'm referring to stuff that Prince didn't put his all-out, 100% effort into. This includes production of the song. Even if I don't like the song, I still haven't found any that I would consider as cast-offs/didn't give it his all.

Not even "Jughead".

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Reply #10 posted 05/04/17 9:58am

rdhull

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RodeoSchro said:

rdhull said:

Y'all REALLY love Symbol album. I have no idea why though. The whole album could be erased from his repetoire and not be missed.



Just because you don't like the songs doesn't make them filler.


I said I like/love some of the songs I posted. So you think there are NO fillers regarding effort etc. I was trolled.

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Reply #11 posted 05/04/17 10:36am

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rdhull said:

RodeoSchro said:



Just because you don't like the songs doesn't make them filler.


I said I like/love some of the songs I posted. So you think there are NO fillers regarding effort etc. I was trolled.



Ah. No, you weren't trolled, LOL. But you are saying you like some "filler" songs?

And no, I haven't yet found a song that Prince released where I thought he just went through the motions creating it. I really do believe that Prince thought of every song as one of his children, and treated each one that way. That truly blows me away. I think Prince never settled for anything less than his and the band's best.

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Reply #12 posted 05/04/17 10:49am

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RodeoSchro said:

rdhull said:

I said I like/love some of the songs I posted. So you think there are NO fillers regarding effort etc. I was trolled.



Ah. No, you weren't trolled, LOL. But you are saying you like some "filler" songs?

And no, I haven't yet found a song that Prince released where I thought he just went through the motions creating it. I really do believe that Prince thought of every song as one of his children, and treated each one that way. That truly blows me away. I think Prince never settled for anything less than his and the band's best.

then why make this post as you did. So you can say that statement to everyone who states their filler opinions? lol

trolling! lol

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Reply #13 posted 05/04/17 11:21am

NorthC

Depends on how you define "filler". In my mind, it means that an artist doesn't have enough songs ready for an album, so (s)he just throws in anything (s)he has recorded to fill the 30-40 minutes that makes an LP.
A good example is James Brown. He had a hit with Papa's Got a Brand New Bag in 1965, but it was his only new song, so the album with the same title just had songs recorded (and released!) in the previous years. Motown used to do this too. If one of their acts had a hit, grab some songs together, give it the title of the hit and bang! you have an album.
Prince, as we all know, never had to do this. His dilemma was the exact opposite: all these great songs that he had that couldn't be on an album because there was just no room. So each and every song he ever put on an album was there because he thought it needed to be there. Whether or not we, who have heard some of his great unreleased music, agree with his choices , is of course a different matter! lol
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/17 11:29am

TrivialPursuit

"Do U Lie?"

"Life Can Be So Nice"

the piano fluff before "Condition of the Heart"

that stupid ass tag ending to "Temptation"



That's not a lot considering the first 10 years. However, For You overall is sorta AOR schmaltzy stuff. The genius of a kid writing all this is there, but in general, it's not stood up against time that well, IMO. Doesn't mean they're bad songs, and I love me some yacht rock like a MFer, but For You is just a bit too bland for me sometimes.

But after 1988, God help us all.

Lemon Crush

Strollin

Push

Jughead

Arrogance

Shy

Dinner With Delores

I Rock, Therefore I Am


I can't even begin to touch Emancipation, but it could easily be one very very strong 80-minute CD (including cutting the title track).

Even shit like "Get Loose" and "P Control" remixes on CB were filler. And hell, all that empty space in general ...ever figure out the time on those three disks? Look at the length of all the songs, in comparison to 240 minutes available. Does air count as filler?

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Reply #15 posted 05/04/17 11:56am

rusty1

The flow
Arrogance
Jughead
Now!
Shall i keep going
I've got tons more after 1988
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Reply #16 posted 05/04/17 12:00pm

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rdhull said:

RodeoSchro said:



Ah. No, you weren't trolled, LOL. But you are saying you like some "filler" songs?

And no, I haven't yet found a song that Prince released where I thought he just went through the motions creating it. I really do believe that Prince thought of every song as one of his children, and treated each one that way. That truly blows me away. I think Prince never settled for anything less than his and the band's best.

then why make this post as you did. So you can say that statement to everyone who states their filler opinions? lol

trolling! lol



Now look here, you troll! I respect your right to be wrong! razz

But seriously, I started it because I am not infallible. Maybe there's a song that really was filler, and I just didn't realize it. So far I haven't seen one, but you never know. And that's why there are threads like these.

Now, quit trolling me. razz

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Reply #17 posted 05/04/17 12:01pm

rusty1

"Hot Thing" is a good song, by the way..
"U got the look" is filler
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Reply #18 posted 05/04/17 12:08pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

"Do U Lie?"


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Even shit like "Get Loose" and "P Control" remixes on CB were filler. And hell, all that empty space in general ...ever figure out the time on those three disks? Look at the length of all the songs, in comparison to 240 minutes available. Does air count as filler?



"Do U Lie"?!? eek eek eek eek

Man, that is a VERY musically complex song. I'd never think of it as filler, but that's just me, I guess.

OK, the empty space is filler, LOL. I'm surprised no one has mentioned all the blank tracks on "New Power Soul" (wasn't that tne CD that had 50 or 60 blank tracks before the last "hidden" track?)

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Reply #19 posted 05/04/17 12:20pm

TheFman

Sure there was filler, there are very few albums without any.

But, he had some albums without filler at all. Or perhaps, the rest of those albums is of such a level that everything less divine sounds like filler.
Good examples: baby I'm a star. Life can be so nice. Temptation. Beautiful Night.

True very very few filler pre Batman. But from Grafitti Bridge/Batman, there was filler hell yeah.
And post Chaos&Disorder there was more filler than non-filler imo

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Reply #20 posted 05/04/17 12:26pm

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TheFman said:

Sure there was filler, there are very few albums without any.

But, he had some albums without filler at all. Or perhaps, the rest of those albums is of such a level that everything less divine sounds like filler.
Good examples: baby I'm a star. Life can be so nice. Temptation. Beautiful Night.

True very very few filler pre Batman. But from Grafitti Bridge/Batman, there was filler hell yeah.
And post Chaos&Disorder there was more filler than non-filler imo



Which songs do you think are filler?

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Reply #21 posted 05/04/17 12:28pm

NorthC

RodeoSchro said:



TrivialPursuit said:


"Do U Lie?"



<snip>



Even shit like "Get Loose" and "P Control" remixes on CB were filler. And hell, all that empty space in general ...ever figure out the time on those three disks? Look at the length of all the songs, in comparison to 240 minutes available. Does air count as filler?





"Do U Lie"?!? eek eek eek eek

Man, that is a VERY musically complex song. I'd never think of it as filler, but that's just me, I guess.

OK, the empty space is filler, LOL. I'm surprised no one has mentioned all the blank tracks on "New Power Soul" (wasn't that tne CD that had 50 or 60 blank tracks before the last "hidden" track?)


Yeah, it was, but that was a joke from Prince. Lots of CDs had hidden tracks at the end, so this was just Prince's way of having a little fun with that, see if anyone would make it through all those tracks of a few seconds of silence to find the hidden gem. I remember talking to a music journo I used to know back then who included it in his review while a collegue of his missed it! So Prince's little joke worked...
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Reply #22 posted 05/04/17 12:32pm

NorthC

And as for Do U Lie, the whole Under the Cherry Moon/Parade concept was about nostalgia, it was filmed in France, so having something that sounds like a French chanson on that album totally fit within the concept. No filler at all. Once again, "filler" is NOT the same as "a song I don't like".
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Reply #23 posted 05/04/17 12:37pm

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I've always thought of "Lemon Crush" as filler; "I'm runnin' out of things to call you."

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Reply #24 posted 05/04/17 12:56pm

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Is this asked in jest? I mean...really? I'd say no 1979-1990 but after that holy shitballs YES.

This! Although during his golden era, there were some songs I could do without, or perhaps some I love way more than others. He didnt release a bad album during that run, but there are/were weaker moments on each one. The 90s? I'm in too good of a mood to talk shit.

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Reply #25 posted 05/04/17 1:06pm

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In one of the many interviews with Susan Rogers she mentioned that Play In The Sunshine was one of the songs that was recorded to fill space between other songs on the album. Now granted, that does not mean the song (or songs recorded for similar reasons) is filler in the sense that it wasn't given effort.

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In any event, I guess that makes it as close to filler as it comes.

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(and no, Venus de Milo is not filler, no matter what anyone says, and Prince agrees, he kept playing it regularly up to and including his last tour)

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Reply #26 posted 05/04/17 1:09pm

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i think every album post SOTT had filler... (well maybe not the black album)

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Reply #27 posted 05/04/17 1:09pm

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kygermo said:

homesquid said:

Is this asked in jest? I mean...really? I'd say no 1979-1990 but after that holy shitballs YES.

This! Although during his golden era, there were some songs I could do without, or perhaps some I love way more than others. He didnt release a bad album during that run, but there are/were weaker moments on each one. The 90s? I'm in too good of a mood to talk shit.




OK, maybe I've not been clear enough.

I'm NOT talking about songs you don't like.

I AM talking about songs you think Prince did simply so there would be another song on the album. Something that you don't think he really put much effort or thought into, and that was on purpose. A going-through-the-motions-because-I-don't-really-care kind of song.

Or maybe I just should

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Reply #28 posted 05/04/17 1:16pm

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Hot Thing

I agree.I think this song is too simplistic.The lyrics are lazy ("barely 21....lookin' for big fun").It would have been cool if this song was removed from the album and replaced with the superior,more creative "Wonderful Ass" smile

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Reply #29 posted 05/04/17 1:17pm

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I've always thought of "Lemon Crush" as filler; "I'm runnin' out of things to call you."

in Rolling Stone's review of the Batman album,the writer said....

"Partyman" is filler."Trust" and "Lemon Crush" are filler with hooks.

hmmm smile

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