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Thread started 05/03/17 7:36pm

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Questlove losing it over "We can FVck" or losing it over later We can Funk?

Apparently, Questlove claims to have heard We can FVCK...NOt surprising he's in love with dirty Prince outtake from the 80's. But he really really seems to love it...or he really loves what Prince eventually was able to do with it in later versions. NOt sure which..LOL

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTiiSHmA0NO/

questloveDog. I'm 13 again. Just heard "We Can F%+€" from the reissued (assumed?) Purple Rain lp & man.
in 93 I jumped in the lake of music i traded my passion for listening to music to creating music. it was just as euphoric. but clearly a line drawn in the sand. can't be a fan & an artist at same time.

No amount of ODing on Coltrane or EWF or Stevie or Nina prepped me for Prince. His presentations are so multi layered like a 3 Michelin Star meal: his rhythm layer sounds & feels unique. But then his harmony game is just as rich. then him as a musician sneaking stuff in the average cat won't think of. (not even mention vocals & "what's he gonna say next!?" lyrics.---it's a rich experience) & you keep askin "is this allowed to happen?" You hear something new everytime.
My first "oh s&%!!!!!*" moment was the #LittleRedCorvette rmx. prior to this people just extended/edited their music w more cowbell to keep disco patrons happy (good example? @TheJacksons#ShakeYourBodyDown rmx. Gold Standard level of edit excellence)

but "Corvette"? jesus. Prince INVENTED the remix. he recontextualized the last two mins from its familiar rockfish C#m to its relative minor key of Bb. Singlehandedly turning an AM radio pop ditty into the funkiest blackest jawn ever. Like how can a minor adjustment turn a rock song into a funk song? I was wrestling w this the entire summer of 83. NOONE was thinking on that level (he pulled the same amazing trick on the #RaspberryBeret remix molding its key of A into a G# funkathon) hearing the 10 min original "We Can..." is taking me back to my childhood in which you just ---discovered joy in listening to music. sorry to get all emo at 3am but trust me, if social media was a thing in the 80s id write more about the cool stuff i discovered w the passion i put into saying goodbye to the greats. its been forever since a song froze me. its been even longer since a Prince song did this to a cat who has been numb to music for the last few. I'm revealing in this moment cause its rare. and who knows when i'll thaw again?

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Reply #1 posted 05/03/17 7:43pm

leadline

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Tell Quest to leak Emotional Pump while he is still vulnerable, we know he has it.

[Edited 5/3/17 21:21pm]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #2 posted 05/03/17 9:17pm

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Come on, ?uest. We know you got tha' goods.

"I like to watch."
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Reply #3 posted 05/03/17 10:00pm

jjam

Cute words, but I love the response of someone in an Instagram comment saying that Questlove should teach a Prince music class in college, mainly because Professor Questlove got the key of the Raspberry Beret "funkathon" wrong - it goes to F#m from A. Maybe it's a typo, but either way, he has to sit in the corner now with the dunce's hat on. wink

[Edited 5/3/17 22:06pm]

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Reply #4 posted 05/04/17 5:09am

jjam

He can redeem himself by leaking that long version of 17 Days, though...

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Reply #5 posted 05/04/17 5:19am

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the demo of We Can Fuck that we've heard makes me really excited for an official release

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Reply #6 posted 05/04/17 6:29am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

the demo of We Can Fuck that we've heard makes me really excited for an official release

Is it quite different to the version on the Box of Chocolates boot? I'm really looking forward to this release. biggrin

RIP sad
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Reply #7 posted 05/04/17 6:49am

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leadline said:

Tell Quest to leak Emotional Pump while he is still vulnerable, we know he has it.

[Edited 5/3/17 21:21pm]


And Screams Of Passion.
What?
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Reply #8 posted 05/04/17 6:56am

TheEnglishGent

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iZsaZsa said:

leadline said:

Tell Quest to leak Emotional Pump while he is still vulnerable, we know he has it.

[Edited 5/3/17 21:21pm]

And Screams Of Passion.


Tell him to leak everything!

RIP sad
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Reply #9 posted 05/04/17 7:13am

leadline

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iZsaZsa said:

leadline said:

Tell Quest to leak Emotional Pump while he is still vulnerable, we know he has it.

[Edited 5/3/17 21:21pm]

And Screams Of Passion.


Man I forgot he had that one, that would definitely be my #1.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #10 posted 05/04/17 7:45am

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TheEnglishGent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the demo of We Can Fuck that we've heard makes me really excited for an official release

Is it quite different to the version on the Box of Chocolates boot? I'm really looking forward to this release. biggrin

I think its more along the lines of 83/84 version with Wendy & Lisa backing vocals and Graffiti Bridge version. The BOC version (best one IMO) is the one in sequence with Data Bank and Can't Stop This Feeling, and has Miko guitar solo.

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Reply #11 posted 05/04/17 7:56am

Tokyo

dodger said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Is it quite different to the version on the Box of Chocolates boot? I'm really looking forward to this release. biggrin

I think its more along the lines of 83/84 version with Wendy & Lisa backing vocals and Graffiti Bridge version. The BOC version (best one IMO) is the one in sequence with Data Bank and Can't Stop This Feeling, and has Miko guitar solo.

dodger - and as everyone seems to agree that the one with the Miko guitar solo is clearly the best version (I know I do!) - wouldn't it be great if it finally gets released as pristine quality!!

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Reply #12 posted 05/04/17 7:59am

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What we can guess from the info we have:

"We Can Fuck" is going to sound like a Prince-only more minimal version of the same version of "We Can Funk" that was released on the album Graffiti Bridge with George Clinton added as a collaborator.

The bootleg version from 1986 which was a complete re-invention of the song connecting it to "Girl o' My Dreams / Can't Stop This Feeling I Got / We Can Funk" was a "musical" suite idea tied into his movie idea at the time. That one re-arranged it into a brooding dark version with the repeating bassline hook echoed with a rattling buzzing overdriven instrument, finger cymbal, and reverse echo effects on his lead vocal as used in the movie "Poltergeist".
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Reply #13 posted 05/04/17 8:02am

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Shit, just as long as its the vocal with him being mysterous, sexy, and about to cum.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/17 8:39am

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rdhull said:

Shit, just as long as its the vocal with him being mysterous, sexy, and about to cum.

lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #15 posted 05/04/17 8:43am

paulludvig

I think it will the version with the long instrumental coda.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #16 posted 05/04/17 9:01am

ufoclub

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paulludvig said:

I think it will the version with the long instrumental coda.


That would be a shame since it was connected to the two other songs to great dramatic effect. But if the other two were in there... awesome.

That's why I doubt it's the re-invented 1986 version.

I can't believe this official album hasn't leaked!
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Reply #17 posted 05/04/17 9:10am

paulludvig

ufoclub said:

paulludvig said:
I think it will the version with the long instrumental coda.
That would be a shame since it was connected to the two other songs to great dramatic effect. But if the other two were in there... awesome. That's why I doubt it's the re-invented 1986 version. I can't believe this official album hasn't leaked!

I'm not thinking about the one with Miko. I mean the 10 min one with a long, streched out and moody synth section. The one I have has some overdubs by George Clinton, but those have to be later additions.

[Edited 5/4/17 9:18am]

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #18 posted 05/04/17 9:17am

ufoclub

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paulludvig said:



ufoclub said:


paulludvig said:
I think it will the version with the long instrumental coda.

That would be a shame since it was connected to the two other songs to great dramatic effect. But if the other two were in there... awesome. That's why I doubt it's the re-invented 1986 version. I can't believe this official album hasn't leaked!

I'm not thinking about the one with Miko. I mean the 10 min one with a long, streched out and moody synth section. The one I have has some overdubs by George Clinton, but those have to later additions.



Oh yeah, I suspect it will be that. I haven't listened to the super long one in a while. I always listened to the Prince solo early one that surfaced some years ago.
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Reply #19 posted 05/04/17 9:21am

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paulludvig said:

ufoclub said:

paulludvig said: That would be a shame since it was connected to the two other songs to great dramatic effect. But if the other two were in there... awesome. That's why I doubt it's the re-invented 1986 version. I can't believe this official album hasn't leaked!

I'm not thinking about the one with Miko. I mean the 10 min one with a long, streched out and moody synth section. The one I have has some overdubs by George Clinton, but those have to be later additions.

[Edited 5/4/17 9:18am]

My favorite is a long gritty minimalistic We Can Funk that I like to blast loud on the speakers. No overdubs.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #20 posted 05/04/17 9:28am

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I think we need to label the two main editions of We Can Funk as the 1982 and the 1986.



This is confusing. For example the 1990 Graffiti Bridge album has the final mix of the 1982 version.

Box of Chocolates bootleg has the 1986 version

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Reply #21 posted 05/04/17 9:34am

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I'm referring to a long version of the 82 edition. At least I think that's what it is, even though it has some later additions by Clinton. The extended instrumental sections is played on synths similar in sound to the synths on The Beautiful Ones.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #22 posted 05/04/17 11:35am

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I'm referring to a long version of the 82 edition. At least I think that's what it is, even though it has some later additions by Clinton. The extended instrumental sections is played on synths similar in sound to the synths on The Beautiful Ones.

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Yes, some of the same OB-Xa/OB-8 patches are utilized.

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I believe it is 1983, and likely prior to the 31 Dec 1983 initial tracking date provided on PrinceVault. This version of the track was worked on multiple times in 1983, early 1984, 1985 and 1986, and was the version placed on the backburner for eventual release. Before dusting it off for consideration during the early GB phases (probably late 1987), and prior to slightly reworking/overdubbing with GC in late '88/early '89, this version was last worked in during the first half of 1986 (unrelated directly to the 'Miko' Washington Ave Warehouse recording from June of that same year, which was possibly recorded as part of a set of material for a musical loosely related to then-considered DF album tracks, although, confusingly, he may have briefly entertained releasing this latter semi-live take on one or more early sketches of the DF album itself).

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The GB version features additional work done with GC for (or at least during sessions for) his 'Cinderella Theory' album ca. ~late 1988/1989, and additional overdubs added in ~ Summer 1989 by P after it was reclaimed for use on GB.

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The various circulating mixes (the majority of which are from 1989 or 1990), including the official final one, are cross-sections of these miscellaneous additions made over quite a number of years.

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Assuming that PR Deluxe includes a semi-finished mix, it should be very much like the 'We Can Funk (30 Years)' (bootlegger attribution) in the iVault 1990 folder, but with those extended suite-like parts that, to date, we have only heard at full length in the low-audio-quality 10+ min version Cinderella Theory/'89-era GB test mix (hopefully without the abrasive wah-wah guitar left in for the entire length of the track). One or two extra verses, no "safe" before "sex between two people", some very 1983-ish Oberheim stabs during the first segment not used in the final GB mix, no scorching 'Batdance'-esque guitar solo, no LoveSexy/89-era P sub-bass stock sample sound used throughout (the same sound is used in 'Melody Cool' and 'Sex', for instance, to illustrate), less refined, LM-1-only drum programming (the GB release has some upgrades in this area). And, importantly, no vocals other than P and some occasional W&L (mostly Lisa).

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If it's an even earlier, rougher mix, it will be as above, but less polished (we have a snippet of deliberately low-quality leak of this version as well), more 'tribal' live drumming, more acoustic guitar/sitar, fewer synths and vocals, 'Poltergeist'ish-vocal effect at higher volume (which is in most mixes of the song at very low volume, and which he also recreated for some mixes of the 'Miko' live re-recording as well), etc.

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If a naming scheme is needed, I'd propose calling the original the Sunset/studio version vs the Washington Ave Warehouse version (even though these are both imperfect categories, as the latter was probably mixed/worked on at Sunset, and the former may possibly have been first tracked at the Kiowa Trl purple house home studio).

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[Edited 5/4/17 12:19pm]

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Reply #23 posted 05/04/17 1:56pm

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paulludvig said:

I think it will the version with the long instrumental coda.

Sulls LOVES that coda

"I like to watch."
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Reply #24 posted 05/04/17 1:57pm

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I'd like In A Large Room, extended Take Me With U, uuuuum.....

"I like to watch."
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Reply #25 posted 05/04/17 4:55pm

pricetag

Not to be rude but can anyone translate what he said? I can't make head nor tail of it.

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Reply #26 posted 05/04/17 5:37pm

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jjam said:

Cute words, but I love the response of someone in an Instagram comment saying that Questlove should teach a Prince music class in college, mainly because Professor Questlove got the key of the Raspberry Beret "funkathon" wrong - it goes to F#m from A. Maybe it's a typo, but either way, he has to sit in the corner now with the dunce's hat on. wink

[Edited 5/3/17 22:06pm]

Quest is a drummer.

And Quest DID co-teach a Prince class at NYU before Prince's death.

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Reply #27 posted 05/04/17 5:39pm

jjam

It's such a fundamental mistake he's made, that's my point.

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Reply #28 posted 05/04/17 8:32pm

tab32792

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jjam said:

Cute words, but I love the response of someone in an Instagram comment saying that Questlove should teach a Prince music class in college, mainly because Professor Questlove got the key of the Raspberry Beret "funkathon" wrong - it goes to F#m from A. Maybe it's a typo, but either way, he has to sit in the corner now with the dunce's hat on. wink

[Edited 5/3/17 22:06pm]

Quest is a drummer.

And Quest DID co-teach a Prince class at NYU before Prince's death.

a subpar drummer*

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Reply #29 posted 05/05/17 2:09am

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A 3 minutes or so, poor sound quality snippet of We Can Fuck (1983) has been circulating for years, so unless there exists another, entirely different, version that we don't know of, we know exactly what it's gonna be.

It's basically the basic tracks of the GB version, but with interesting differences (and without the Clinton chorus of course). There's a very interesting (IMHO) instrumental part on the snippet, kind of climax, that makes me look forward to hearing it in full.

But don't expect anything drastically different from the GB version, the snippet is very similar to it and it has absolutely nothing to do with the rerecorded 1986 version.

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