Lovejunky said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Lovejunky said:

Lets not get carried away here....

Even if Kornfield himself had caught that early Morning RED EYE, nothing would change what happened...

And P had some tests done on the 20th by Dr.S..How do you know that was not organised in co operation or at Kornfields bhest ?

Obviously some one knew about the Tests on the 20th....Some one took P to that doctor....Dr.S turned up at Paisley in the Morning...There was something in them ......Otherwise why would he show up at Paisley so early ?

It is my opinion, it was totally irresponsible of dr korn to have anyone on a plane. He was told the patient was in grave condition and there is at least a possibility that prince would not have died if dr korn had said get him to the hospital and whatever they needed to do to make that happen...dr s was not able to legally receive and or administer the suboxone, so not sure how they would be working together. It's just all so shady, and I have now moved from my sadness, to my madness. This all just f cking pisses me off

Yep..I get it

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

Of course, within the law he was wrong. Within the realm of those that summoned the Kornfelds and the Kornfelds reaction to the situation, somehow I feel that they all felt they were right because they were trying to help the man and keep it out of the public eye. The Kornfelds did not act alone. The entire situation of Andrew showing up the way he did and what he brought with him in his bag was an orchestrated measure initiated by Prince's inner circle to protect Prince's privacy. I don't think that whoever called the Kornfelds was too worried about whether or not they (the Kornfelds) acted lawfully. They probably just wanted them to help and to do so quickly.

What the Kornfelds did was illegal...not helpful. Prince was seen out and about on the 20th and he was not gravely ill as Dr Ks attorney tried saying. IMO if the hadn't showed up Prince may still be here today.again my opinion...

Illegal because of the carrying of the medication across state lines, etc. However, he didn't do anything to Prince. Andrew himself feels that if his father could have reached him a week earlier, Prince may still be alive. http://www.startribune.co...381872171/

I know we all have different feelings on what happened and this will reflect on how we see the situation as well so I will try to respect that. But feelings aside, there is no factual reason for me to believe that the Kornfelds did anything to harm Prince.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Lovejunky said:

Lets not get carried away here....

Even if Kornfield himself had caught that early Morning RED EYE, nothing would change what happened...

And P had some tests done on the 20th by Dr.S..How do you know that was not organised in co operation or at Kornfields bhest ?

Obviously some one knew about the Tests on the 20th....Some one took P to that doctor....Dr.S turned up at Paisley in the Morning...There was something in them ......Otherwise why would he show up at Paisley so early ?

It is my opinion, it was totally irresponsible of dr korn to have anyone on a plane. He was told the patient was in grave condition and there is at least a possibility that prince would not have died if dr korn had said get him to the hospital and whatever they needed to do to make that happen...dr s was not able to legally receive and or administer the suboxone, so not sure how they would be working together. It's just all so shady, and I have now moved from my sadness, to my madness. This all just f cking pisses me off

Dr. Kornfeld did contact Dr. S to check on Prince before his/Andrew's arrival:

"After he was first contacted by Prince's representatives, Howard Kornfeld requested that a Twin Cities physician check on Prince and stabilize him, sources said."

Reference:

http://www.startribune.co...378051471/

Now, it may be that Dr. S should of made the call to hospitalize Prince in that event. However, I think there's been many debates on these forums on how one can't be forced into the hospital.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

Are your sure Sheila was talking about April 21 (do you have a link)? As far as I knew she didn't arrive at PP until a couple days later for the service...

.

Paisley Park was never declared a "crime scene". There were several people going in and out of PP on 4/21/16, and several days thereafter. The search warrant came too late, because the crime scene was already contaminated by then. Sheila E. even admitted to "things being touched and moved", i.e, Prince's personal laptop.

PP was immediately declared a crime scene based upon the drugs found

at the scene on 4-21-16.

Andrew and his father will never be charged.

The prosecutors know they will never be able to get 12 jurors to convict

two people who were attempting to "help" Prince.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

What? The Kornfelds did nothing. If Andrew Kornfeld hadn't shown up, Prince would still be alive?

Prince passed before Andrew's plane even landed (6am). The Kornfelds have nothing to do with Prince's passing.

Dr kornfeld did everything wrong, he should have never been involved. When he was called and told prince was in grave condition, he should have said get him to the hospital now. He is compelled by his oath to call local people and due his,very best to get prince help, including calling the police for a wellness check. He should have implored princes people to do something right now, do not wait. Dr korn sending his uncredentialed son with a backpack full of narcotics is beyond irresponsible. I think the korns were hungry to have prince as a client, and rather than do what is best for the client they were doing what was best for their business, oh ya and it was illegal.

The Dr. did nothing wrong, someone in Prince's camp called him. Why would they call him, when they have one of the finest rehab facilities right there MN? They should've got his ass in the car and took him there.

PennyPurple said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said: Dr kornfeld did everything wrong, he should have never been involved. When he was called and told prince was in grave condition, he should have said get him to the hospital now. He is compelled by his oath to call local people and due his,very best to get prince help, including calling the police for a wellness check. He should have implored princes people to do something right now, do not wait. Dr korn sending his uncredentialed son with a backpack full of narcotics is beyond irresponsible. I think the korns were hungry to have prince as a client, and rather than do what is best for the client they were doing what was best for their business, oh ya and it was illegal.

The Dr. did nothing wrong, someone in Prince's camp called him. Why would they call him, when they have one of the finest rehab facilities right there MN? They should've got his ass in the car and took him there.

no clue, maybe he was too proud to risk having people in his own backyard squealing on him.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

The Dr. did nothing wrong, someone in Prince's camp called him. Why would they call him, when they have one of the finest rehab facilities right there MN? They should've got his ass in the car and took him there.

no clue, maybe he was too proud to risk having people in his own backyard squealing on him.

THis is ODD..Isnt it ?...

THe People of MN were very Protective of him..

If Dr S could make a home visit, and The Kornfields could...

then why not the Local Rehab Doctor ?

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

no clue, maybe he was too proud to risk having people in his own backyard squealing on him.

THis is ODD..Isnt it ?...

THe People of MN were very Protective of him..

If Dr S could make a home visit, and The Kornfields could...

then why not the Local Rehab Doctor ?

If Prince were dealing with all of this, Minnesota was home. It was where he felt safe and secure. You don't get treated at home. You don't want those bad vibes of whatever you might be dealing with, at home. You don't want your neighbors talking amongst themselves so that you never feel safe to go out of the home, riding your bike, as Prince, the neighbor, and thinking they may now forever see you as Prince, the rockstar who dealt with an addiction. You lose that safety and security.

Did anyone see Jill Jones's post directed at Kirk?

benni said:

Lovejunky said:

THis is ODD..Isnt it ?...

THe People of MN were very Protective of him..

If Dr S could make a home visit, and The Kornfields could...

then why not the Local Rehab Doctor ?

If Prince were dealing with all of this, Minnesota was home. It was where he felt safe and secure. You don't get treated at home. You don't want those bad vibes of whatever you might be dealing with, at home. You don't want your neighbors talking amongst themselves so that you never feel safe to go out of the home, riding your bike, as Prince, the neighbor, and thinking they may now forever see you as Prince, the rockstar who dealt with an addiction. You lose that safety and security.

people being people, inspite of "confidentiality" word would have gotten out. I'm sure that would be a factor for Prince.

PeteSilas said:

benni said:

If Prince were dealing with all of this, Minnesota was home. It was where he felt safe and secure. You don't get treated at home. You don't want those bad vibes of whatever you might be dealing with, at home. You don't want your neighbors talking amongst themselves so that you never feel safe to go out of the home, riding your bike, as Prince, the neighbor, and thinking they may now forever see you as Prince, the rockstar who dealt with an addiction. You lose that safety and security.

people being people, inspite of "confidentiality" word would have gotten out. I'm sure that would be a factor for Prince.

Agree. I know of some people who have chosen to go into rehab in a different town altogether, and they are not rockstars.

Dibblekins said:

gatorgirl said:

The Vitamin D capsules are actually Vitamin D 50,000 unit capsules (ergocalciferol). These are given to people with a serious lack of vitamin D. You need Vitamin D for healthy bones.

The 15 Watson 852 tablets (not capsules) could be legit Tylenol #4 or something black market. It is hard to tell based on this description that isn't clear.

The Watson 853 tablets could be legit or black market Norco (hydrocodone/tylenol 10 mg/325 mg). These are still made and sold today from pharmacies, thousands every day.

The bottle labeled ondansetron had Percocet (oxycodone/tylenol 5 mg/325 mg) mixed with what appeared to be real ondanestron 8 mg (orange tablet). These medications are probably legit given they should be the same ones that came from CVS.

The Aleve bottle had what appeared to be Norco 10 mg again.

He didn't have hundreds of tablets. He had a total of 109.75 questionable pain tablets. Most poeple get 120 Norco tablets for a month supply.

I had always thought that the tablets appeared to favor old Lortabs but I was wrong. I am not sure about the "852" tablets but the "Watson 853" were either real or looked real and would have fooled anyone. The more that comes out, the more angry I am at the people around him. I think it should also be taken into consideration that some of the tablets were found halved and split even into quarters. This sounds more like someone trying to control what he was doing, someone using them more for pain control and not someone out of control and not caring.

I wish those around him would speak out about what was really wrong. Not what may have been or they think was wrong. Sheila mentioned his hips (so did someone else, Billy?) and I am glad they did. But, did he need a hip replacement? His dad was in his 80s and needed a walker but his mom was in a wheelchair in her 60s--then the Vitamin D--did he have severe osteoporosis? Due to his beliefs, a hip replacement would haver required either donor or his own blood. But, reports are he had anemia, and if so, he wouldn't have been able to donate to himself. Can someone confirm anemia? He wouldn't take donor blood due to his beliefs. Was he stuck in this painful situation he couldn't really get out of? That is what it seems like...

Vitamin D deficiency can also arise from not getting enough sunshine (and if you're darker skinned, you need even more sunshine for the body to convert it to vitamin D). Remember, this is a man who actively shunned daylight hours and had done for most of his working life!

People in the upper midwest quite often have vitamin D deficiencies due to the lack of sunshine in the colder months. My doctor recommended that I take vitamin D to supplement and he recommends it to a lot of his patients.

[Edited 4/23/17 5:32am]

mnfriend said:

MMJas said:

They could have been discussing the whole thing amongst themselves in one of the offices before calling on Prince. After all, he was known to sleep till late.
Or... they could have dressed him after finding him naked. Although I don't think that would include putting his beanie on, it's not the kind of thing you would think of, I don't think. Unless his hair was a mess and they knew how much Prince wanted to always look imaculate, especially in front of others.

Oh God this makes me so sad. Never thought of this either/ backwards clothes

I personally have thought that he had intended on retiring for the evening and had take his clothes off already. Remember he was in his home by himself, it wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibilities that he was prancing around in his birthday suit. His friend maybe didn't want him to be seen like that, to preserve his dignity, and being distraught about P being dead they weren't paying attention to how his clothes were on. Maybe he had left his beanie on, I've seen people who wear their beanie's all the time. Either way, things don't add up in quite a few aspects.

gatorgirl said:

The Vitamin D capsules are actually Vitamin D 50,000 unit capsules (ergocalciferol). These are given to people with a serious lack of vitamin D. You need Vitamin D for healthy bones.

The 15 Watson 852 tablets (not capsules) could be legit Tylenol #4 or something black market. It is hard to tell based on this description that isn't clear.

The Watson 853 tablets could be legit or black market Norco (hydrocodone/tylenol 10 mg/325 mg). These are still made and sold today from pharmacies, thousands every day.

The bottle labeled ondansetron had Percocet (oxycodone/tylenol 5 mg/325 mg) mixed with what appeared to be real ondanestron 8 mg (orange tablet). These medications are probably legit given they should be the same ones that came from CVS.

The Aleve bottle had what appeared to be Norco 10 mg again.

He didn't have hundreds of tablets. He had a total of 109.75 questionable pain tablets. Most poeple get 120 Norco tablets for a month supply.

I had always thought that the tablets appeared to favor old Lortabs but I was wrong. I am not sure about the "852" tablets but the "Watson 853" were either real or looked real and would have fooled anyone. The more that comes out, the more angry I am at the people around him. I think it should also be taken into consideration that some of the tablets were found halved and split even into quarters. This sounds more like someone trying to control what he was doing, someone using them more for pain control and not someone out of control and not caring.

I wish those around him would speak out about what was really wrong. Not what may have been or they think was wrong. Sheila mentioned his hips (so did someone else, Billy?) and I am glad they did. But, did he need a hip replacement? His dad was in his 80s and needed a walker but his mom was in a wheelchair in her 60s--then the Vitamin D--did he have severe osteoporosis? Due to his beliefs, a hip replacement would haver required either donor or his own blood. But, reports are he had anemia, and if so, he wouldn't have been able to donate to himself. Can someone confirm anemia? He wouldn't take donor blood due to his beliefs. Was he stuck in this painful situation he couldn't really get out of? That is what it seems like...

So the number of Pills was not out of Control as we have been led to believe ?

and He was taking halves and quarters...

My heart just sank a little..

To meter his doses like that he would have been very aware of what was going on..and it makes the whole thing MORE heartbreaking, because what you have described

sounds a lot like the Prince I have come to understand over the last year..

Measured and controlled...

He didnt go overboard with very much in his life excpet Work and Wake time it seems...

I bet he hated the fact that the Painkillers were getting a hold of him.

I feel even more anger towards the orgers who refer to him as an out of control addict now..

From what you have just described it seems like he was a

controlled addict

who was reducing his own doses.

(yes Im aware that the words in italics read as an oxyoron

I dont know how else to put what Im trying to convey)

This also explains why he was still able to function without seeming to be addled...

but it would mean that by taking smaller doses he was reducing his pain

rather than eliminating it....right ?

[Edited 4/23/17 5:23am]

PennyPurple said:

Lovejunky said:

gatorgirl said:

The Vitamin D capsules are actually Vitamin D 50,000 unit capsules (ergocalciferol). These are given to people with a serious lack of vitamin D. You need Vitamin D for healthy bones.

The 15 Watson 852 tablets (not capsules) could be legit Tylenol #4 or something black market. It is hard to tell based on this description that isn't clear.

The Watson 853 tablets could be legit or black market Norco (hydrocodone/tylenol 10 mg/325 mg). These are still made and sold today from pharmacies, thousands every day.

The bottle labeled ondansetron had Percocet (oxycodone/tylenol 5 mg/325 mg) mixed with what appeared to be real ondanestron 8 mg (orange tablet). These medications are probably legit given they should be the same ones that came from CVS.

The Aleve bottle had what appeared to be Norco 10 mg again.

He didn't have hundreds of tablets. He had a total of 109.75 questionable pain tablets. Most poeple get 120 Norco tablets for a month supply.

I had always thought that the tablets appeared to favor old Lortabs but I was wrong. I am not sure about the "852" tablets but the "Watson 853" were either real or looked real and would have fooled anyone. The more that comes out, the more angry I am at the people around him. I think it should also be taken into consideration that some of the tablets were found halved and split even into quarters. This sounds more like someone trying to control what he was doing, someone using them more for pain control and not someone out of control and not caring.

I wish those around him would speak out about what was really wrong. Not what may have been or they think was wrong. Sheila mentioned his hips (so did someone else, Billy?) and I am glad they did. But, did he need a hip replacement? His dad was in his 80s and needed a walker but his mom was in a wheelchair in her 60s--then the Vitamin D--did he have severe osteoporosis? Due to his beliefs, a hip replacement would haver required either donor or his own blood. But, reports are he had anemia, and if so, he wouldn't have been able to donate to himself. Can someone confirm anemia? He wouldn't take donor blood due to his beliefs. Was he stuck in this painful situation he couldn't really get out of? That is what it seems like...

So the number of Pills was not out of Control as we have been led to believe ?

and He was taking halves and quarters...

My heart just sank a little..

To meter his doses like that he would have been very aware of what was going on..and it makes the whole thing MORE heartbreaking, because what you have described

sounds a lot like the Prince I have come to understand over the last year..

Measured and controlled...

He didnt go overboard with very much in his life excpet Work and Wake time it seems...

I bet he hated the fact that the Painkillers were getting a hold of him.

I feel even more anger towards the orgers who refer to him as an out of control addict now..

From what you have just described it seems like he was a

controlled addict

who was reducing his own doses.

(yes Im aware that the words in italics read as an oxyoron

I dont know how else to put what Im trying to convey)

This also explains why he was still able to function without seeming to be addled...

but it would mean that by taking smaller doses he was reducing his pain

rather than eliminating it....right ?

[Edited 4/23/17 5:23am]

This has been my thought also. Controlled addict as in manageable addiction, yes. He was careful, just like he was careful with everything else. It just got more out of hand in later years, due to age, continuation of medication, side effects, etc. Hence seeking a holistic doctor, being treated for withdrawal symptoms, etc. He thought he was in control until he decided to get illegal stuff. His control ended right there.

MMJas said:

Lovejunky said:

So the number of Pills was not out of Control as we have been led to believe ?

and He was taking halves and quarters...

My heart just sank a little..

To meter his doses like that he would have been very aware of what was going on..and it makes the whole thing MORE heartbreaking, because what you have described

sounds a lot like the Prince I have come to understand over the last year..

Measured and controlled...

He didnt go overboard with very much in his life excpet Work and Wake time it seems...

I bet he hated the fact that the Painkillers were getting a hold of him.

I feel even more anger towards the orgers who refer to him as an out of control addict now..

From what you have just described it seems like he was a

controlled addict

who was reducing his own doses.

(yes Im aware that the words in italics read as an oxyoron

I dont know how else to put what Im trying to convey)

This also explains why he was still able to function without seeming to be addled...

but it would mean that by taking smaller doses he was reducing his pain

rather than eliminating it....right ?

[Edited 4/23/17 5:23am]

This has been my thought also. Controlled addict as in manageable addiction, yes. He was careful, just like he was careful with everything else. It just got more out of hand in later years, due to age, continuation of medication, side effects, etc. Hence seeking a holistic doctor, being treated for withdrawal symptoms, etc. He thought he was in control until he decided to get illegal stuff. His control ended right there.

This part is what starts to scare me .

Why would he have procured illegal stuff if he was already under the care of a doctor and had a script filled at Wallgreens the day before ? What was the need ?

It doesnt FIT the profile of who he was !

I just cant see him searching the black market by himself for them .

right back to where we started.....................

WHO THE EFF GOT THEM FOR HIM....?

Lovejunky said:

zenarose said:

leec1 said:

The link is below to the Star Tribune article with the search warrants. On the 4/21/16 search warrant, Paisley Park is referred to as a crime scene.

http://www.startribune.com/read-the-unsealed-prince-search-warrant-documents/419620263/

If Im not mistaken the CC sheriff did not say that PP was considered a "crime scene" during the first news conference. That must have been determined after the fact. Again just because a search warrant is dated that doesn't mean it was granted and executed that day.

Please read the warrant and you will see it was requested and signed by a judge the same day it was requested: 4/21.

disch said:

According to what we know, he only saw dr s twice, in April. We don't have any info that points to a longer active relationship with him or any other doctor. - Not being able to "see" him "searching the black market" doesn't mean he didn't do it (via a dealer of some sort; prince worked in the music biz where frankly illegal drugs are not uncommon and probably not as hard to come by as they might seem to people like many of us who live in different circles) Lovejunky said:

This part is what starts to scare me .

Why would he have procured illegal stuff if he was already under the care of a doctor and had a script filled at Wallgreens the day before ? What was the need ?

It doesnt FIT the profile of who he was !

I just cant see him searching the black market by himself for them .

right back to where we started.....................

WHO THE EFF GOT THEM FOR HIM....?

I hadn't heard about fentanyl laced pills until they were discovered in PP, but I came across this article which had been written April 8, 2016...prior to P's death. It's scary. People in legit chronic pain who aren't able to be prescribed something for it are looking to seek relief on their own. I'm not saying it's right but it's what happens and this is what they have to worry about.

https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/4/8/fentanyl-death-pills-spreading-coast-to-coast

But they still let people traipse all over the place for the memorial service that weekend. Ridiculous. It should have been locked down tightly.

MMJas said:

1Sasha said:

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

The Dr. did nothing wrong, someone in Prince's camp called him. Why would they call him, when they have one of the finest rehab facilities right there MN? They should've got his ass in the car and took him there.

no clue, maybe he was too proud to risk having people in his own backyard squealing on him.

Yes, exactly.

IMO this was the death of an international icon. His high profile required extraordinary measures. The local police apparently thought this was a "simple" death: heart attack, aneurysm, something like that. I don't believe they thought it was an overdose at first. Then they got word - privately - from the ME's office that this looked like an overdose, and all hell broke loose. So they had to backtrack, call in the DEA and now in this compromised building the investigation had to essentially re-launch. That's what I think.

1Sasha said:

manabean84 said:

gatorgirl said: