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Reply #450 posted 04/21/17 1:36am

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I just thank this guy. Today would have been awful without Deliverance.

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Reply #451 posted 04/21/17 2:19am

thisisreece

We got to hear some totally unheard of music from 2007-2008. How many years would it have taken before the estate would have thought something like this was worthy of release?

Cheers Ian.

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Reply #452 posted 04/21/17 2:28am

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In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

RIP sad
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Reply #453 posted 04/21/17 3:25am

paulludvig

I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.
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Reply #454 posted 04/21/17 3:29am

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paulludvig said:

I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

RIP sad
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Reply #455 posted 04/21/17 4:14am

paulludvig

TheEnglishGent said:



paulludvig said:


I don't mind music being released from whatever source. The more the better. I just wish the engineer hadn't tampered with the recording, adding stuff without Prince's oversight.


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.



I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.
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Reply #456 posted 04/21/17 4:36am

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paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

It all depends on how complete something is, I don't have any problems with the principal. If there's something which is just vocals and a click track, why not have somebody make it into a full song? If somebody wants to go messsing with something which is already a full song, then that isn't on.

Deliverance has been widely praised and that was finished by someone else. I'm assuming you haven't enjoyed that, which is a shame. I'd still like to hear the tracks for that EP before they were finished though, it would be very interesting to hear how they stood before any additions.

RIP sad
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Reply #457 posted 04/21/17 4:37am

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paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.

I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.

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Reply #458 posted 04/21/17 4:53am

paulludvig

TheEnglishGent said:



paulludvig said:


TheEnglishGent said:



Whatever is relased this is now the reality we are faced with and need to make peace with it. I don't mind people tampering if the stuff is raw and unfinished and especially not if the results are as good as they are with Deliverance. That said, I would be beyond interested in also hearing versions as Prince left them.



I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.


It all depends on how complete something is, I don't have any problems with the principal. If there's something which is just vocals and a click track, why not have somebody make it into a full song? If somebody wants to go messsing with something which is already a full song, then that isn't on.

Deliverance has been widely praised and that was finished by someone else. I'm assuming you haven't enjoyed that, which is a shame. I'd still like to hear the tracks for that EP before they were finished though, it would be very interesting to hear how they stood before any additions.



I didn't have a problem with people adding stuff when Prince was still around to approve the result. He always had people contributing arrangements for horns and strings. But as we know he often made changes to the arrangements collaboraters offered him. Prince had the final say. The music was ultimately his. Boxill adding stuff after Prince's passing is unethical.
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Reply #459 posted 04/21/17 5:27am

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TheEnglishGent said:

tintin said:

In the absence of a will (stupid, stupid, stupid), folks need to wake up to the fact that EVERYTHING released from now on - official or unofficial - is very likely not what P would have wanted. If you have a problem with that then you should consider Phase 2 as his last ever output.


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #460 posted 04/21/17 5:41am

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udo said:

TheEnglishGent said:


Very true.


They also need to consider that Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs, so to have a problem with things being finished by others must mean that they also have never owned a boot...

.

What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

RIP sad
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Reply #461 posted 04/21/17 5:45am

tclifton

I honeslty don't understand why people have a problem with this or any bootlegs at this point?

Prince is dead. He didn't leave a will. It's a free for all. If he had opinions on what he wanted, he had every right to spell them out in a will but he didn't. So who cares? I'm happy to grab all of the music that I can possibly get my hands on.

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Reply #462 posted 04/21/17 5:46am

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TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

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Reply #463 posted 04/21/17 5:47am

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tclifton said:

I honeslty don't understand why people have a problem with this or any bootlegs at this point?

Prince is dead. He didn't leave a will. It's a free for all. If he had opinions on what he wanted, he had every right to spell them out in a will but he didn't. So who cares? I'm happy to grab all of the music that I can possibly get my hands on.


I don't think anyone has a problem with this as a bootleg, the problem was that the guy was selling them. Also that he's made additions to the tracks and claiming co-authorship.

RIP sad
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Reply #464 posted 04/21/17 5:58am

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TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

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Reply #465 posted 04/21/17 6:09am

TheEnglishGent

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bluegangsta said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

Yep, that is very true. He didn't like people selling them and getting a slice of the purple pie though.

RIP sad
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Reply #466 posted 04/21/17 6:24am

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laurarichardson said:

bluegangsta said:

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

Thanks Laura, good to see you back!

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Reply #467 posted 04/21/17 6:26am

udo

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TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

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There is a difference between what people say and what people do.

I asked specific questions to find out the purpose of mr Prince's behaviour in this area of recording.

You simply dived into your personal case, not the real subject.

Please read my sentence with the load of crap as directed to mr Prince as if he were alive.

Hopefully you can then look beyond that and see my questions as somewhat valid.

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Reply #468 posted 04/21/17 6:29am

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laurarichardson said:

bluegangsta said:

He's also on record saying that he didn't mind fans sharing bootlegs with each other, and that he himself owned a few.

This is not sharing this guy is selling and he stole this material while Prince was alive and well.

He is violating an agreement he signed and has no rights to the material.

I suspect if he was really owed money for working on the tracks he would have filled a claim with the estate.

Agree

Him making money out of it is what puts me off. Had he released it free, to be shared amongst the fans, that would have been honest and cool.

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Reply #469 posted 04/21/17 6:34am

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udo said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.

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There is a difference between what people say and what people do.

I asked specific questions to find out the purpose of mr Prince's behaviour in this area of recording.

You simply dived into your personal case, not the real subject.

Please read my sentence with the load of crap as directed to mr Prince as if he were alive.

Hopefully you can then look beyond that and see my questions as somewhat valid.


That's fair enough. When you put it as a response to my quote, which was nothing to do with what you were saying, it really confused things. A stand alone post would have made your meaning clear.

RIP sad
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Reply #470 posted 04/21/17 7:04am

jaypotton

Not going to repeat what I have said on another thread raging about this but will say this...

If Prince were alive he would receive royalties on music he has written and performed. Now that he is dead the recipients of those royalties are his estate.

So...will the estate receive any royalties from the Ian Boxill released Deliverance EP.

The answer is clearly NO so that makes this unofficial and an attempt to cash in.

Now if Ian Boxill had released this for FREE for fans to share then as others have said...that would be very cool of him!

The issue is "show me the money"
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #471 posted 04/21/17 7:28am

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TheEnglishGent said:

udo said:

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What aload of crap.

If mr Prince never wanted us to have said stuff, then why did he record whenever he had a chance?

Then why did he keep those recordings around?

There's plenty of proof of songs being used that are a 'few years' old.

So these songs, that were previously recorded, were indeed intended for a release somewhere in the future.

Him playing shows of 90+% old songs the last decade of his career or so is different matter.

Him releasing not too many albums each year is in the same corner.

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Prince himself owned a shit ton of George Clinton, Marvin Gaye and James Brown bootlegs and, even worse, owned (and bought) session tapes of unreleased material of other bands he liked...

Neversin.

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Reply #472 posted 04/21/17 7:40am

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Neversin said:

TheEnglishGent said:

What has anything you've written got to do with me saying Prince didn't want people to have bootlegs? Prince is on the record many times as saying he was against bootleggers.


Prince didn't give a shit about people having unreleased songs or shows, his only grievance were people who sold these and made a profit of of his work...
Prince himself owned a shit ton of George Clinton, Marvin Gaye and James Brown bootlegs and, even worse, owned (and bought) session tapes of unreleased material of other bands he liked...

Neversin.



he regularly released stuff (rehearsals, remixes, jam sessions) online that he knew would be bootlegged, likely for the express purpose of giving the fans some nuggets...

also, isn't he on record saying (i believe in his george lopez interview?) he didn't care what happened to vault material after he was gone. saying, essentially, 'let them sort it out'? also, if he gave a shit, he'd've left a will.

i honestly don't think he cared...he was looking forward...

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Reply #473 posted 04/21/17 8:21am

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jaypotton said:

Not going to repeat what I have said on another thread raging about this but will say this... If Prince were alive he would receive royalties on music he has written and performed. Now that he is dead the recipients of those royalties are his estate. So...will the estate receive any royalties from the Ian Boxill released Deliverance EP. The answer is clearly NO so that makes this unofficial and an attempt to cash in. Now if Ian Boxill had released this for FREE for fans to share then as others have said...that would be very cool of him! The issue is "show me the money"

Agree. Somehow...somebody got all the tracks anyway so its all good now.

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Reply #474 posted 04/21/17 11:18am

feeluupp

THE WHOLE EP IS UP NOW ON TIDAL, AND FOR SALE AS WELL...

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Reply #475 posted 04/21/17 12:34pm

deck7

LISTEN HERE:

https://www.mixcloud.com/CanEyePlayWithU/deliverance-this-is-not-religion/

and if you're smart, you will figure out how to DL

cool

BTW just wanted to send a very grateful THANK YOU to this community for sharing boots, photos and videos for us to enjoy!

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Reply #476 posted 04/21/17 1:30pm

feeluupp

feeluupp said:

THE WHOLE EP IS UP NOW ON TIDAL, AND FOR SALE AS WELL...

And they took it down on TIDAL...

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Reply #477 posted 04/21/17 1:32pm

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You can find it ALL OVER TEH BLOODY INTERNET. look for it. smile

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Songs are OK, as expected realy.

Not all that impressive, but it's always nice to hear new Prince material though. smile

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'Deliverance' is a nice gospel track. But we already have better gospel tracks by Prince.

And, it's ending is strange and too short imho. Lyricaly, typical Prince...

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'I Am' is a short rocker and kicks off with P's voice pitched up quite a lot. But, the song has a sparse production and seems somehow a bit too slow. Heavily guitar driven, bit of a boring solo, imho.

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'Touch Me' is nothing new. A two chord balad, that ends too quick with an uninspiring guitar solo, imho.

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'Sunrise Sunset' is a love balad. Dry production. a bit of a small opera-ish track like '3 chains o gold', but less impressive. Clocks in at 1:13 !! (imho...)

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'No 1 Else' promises with a good start, but quickly bores. Actually this is 'Sunrise Sunset' part II. (imho?) wink

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'I AM' extended, 3:50, yep, this is the extended version. Just an extra verse and bridge, fades out ???

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Nothing special, nothing shocking, nothing new. No new 'sound'. Nothing worth the fuzz.

Peace.


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Reply #478 posted 04/21/17 1:44pm

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i don't think "no one else" bores quickly, i think it's freakin' amazing. music

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #479 posted 04/21/17 2:23pm

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Definitely sounds like Prince of that era -- 3121 overlapping Planet Earth, with a touch of (then defunct) NPGMC and shades of F.U.N.K. and SST.

It's fun, short and sweet -- an EP as described and not an album.

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