IstenSzek said:

3stori3s said:

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.

well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.

TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:

well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.

i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now

I quite like the three Touch Me, Sunrise Sunset and Noone Else. I am is ok too. Not so keen on Deliverance.

I didn't say that Prince wanted his music to be public domain. I am saying that I think it should be. I don't understand why a group of people he didn't place in his will (the family he wasn't particularly close to) have more of a right to music than anyone else who worked with him? they may not have signed agreements, but they are violating his privacy, auctioning his stuff, and going against his wishes already. I believe however that his wishes are less important than his legacy and reputation right now.

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

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Er, when did Prince want his music to be public domain? Didn't he sue someone for using one of his songs in an Instagram video of their little kid dancing?

IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.

i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now

Did the twinz do singing? I thought they were just dancers. And yes, Tamar would go well here.

I've only heard Deliverance so far but looking forward to the others. I'm not going to pay someone for an unofficial release, so will wait to hear the rest.

swoonfed said:

rogifan said:

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault?

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Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

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This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

BartVanHemelen said:

Kara said:

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

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This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

MMJas said:

epronk said:

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"

does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter?

IstenSzek said:

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.

I don't think the Estate will have any problem getting people to offer their services. But I don't want some big name producer who never worked with Prince in charge. What makes most sense to me is catalog the songs by era/year they were recorded and bring in the engineers who were around for that time frame and have them oversee those songs.

Exactly.

TrivialPursuit said:

The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.

Honestly, that argument could be made for everything else that ever comes out--none of the money will ever go to either the creator (Prince) or his designated heirs (since there were none). BUT... the only reason (or at least main reason--let's be honest again) that stuff will receive OFFICIAL release is that money will be going to someone. So, if none of us pay (or if only a few of us pay), there's not much chance we're gonna hear much music.

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3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:

does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter?

I would be really interested in seeing this as well

i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

IstenSzek said:

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

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This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

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Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

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It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

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I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

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RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

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Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

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It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

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I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]

This stuff takes time when the artist didn't leave a will.

3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:

i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

Do you have a source or link to this? This one slipped past my radar but I would love to see it. Couldn't find anything on Sam's Twitter

i'm sorry, i don't. i wouldn't know where to begin looking at this moment,
so many things pop up in all kinds of places and are gone again a day or
so later. but i'm sure other people managed to save the pics.

RODSERLING said:

It's sad that someone would think they have the right to release these when they don't.

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In the last twelve months all we have had is exploitation and very little reflection.

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Sadly the estate haven't delivered anything of value and have fuelled this.

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My god it feels so good to hear him. I don't really care how it's come to us. I've seriously missed this.

BartVanHemelen said:

rogifan said: