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Reply #150 posted 04/19/17 3:23am

TheEnglishGent

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IstenSzek said:

3stori3s said:

I think this material is fantastic, challenging and interesting. This is exactly the kind of music that I've been wanting to be released. I want more of this obscure, unheard of stuff from the 2000s - keep the 80s demos.



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.

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Reply #151 posted 04/19/17 3:27am

IstenSzek

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TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:



well i wouldn't say 'keep the 80s stuff', but i am definately one of those people who
will buy post 1996 material just as gladly as anything from the wb period. i am just
as exciteda about stuff like 'madrid 2 chicago' or 'welcome 2 america' as i am about
roadhouse garden or whatever. and i'm sure many, many other fans are too.

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.


i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now cool

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Reply #152 posted 04/19/17 3:31am

paulludvig

I quite like the three Touch Me, Sunrise Sunset and Noone Else. I am is ok too. Not so keen on Deliverance.

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #153 posted 04/19/17 3:32am

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I didn't say that Prince wanted his music to be public domain. I am saying that I think it should be. I don't understand why a group of people he didn't place in his will (the family he wasn't particularly close to) have more of a right to music than anyone else who worked with him? they may not have signed agreements, but they are violating his privacy, auctioning his stuff, and going against his wishes already. I believe however that his wishes are less important than his legacy and reputation right now.

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

Fuck the family and their lawyers on this one. Like someone said, His folks have been placing his music on spotify against his wishes. They don't give two shits about his 'rights'...and besides 'artists rights' only apply to the artists (not their mooching "families"). I am glad his stuff is on spotify but his music eventually needs to be public domain.

As long as this dude is honest about Prince' s and his contributions and agrees not to exploit the music in disrespectful ways, his estate needs to back off. Regardless of this guy's motives, this song has the right spirit of reverence for Prince-- unlike tacky, disrespectful urns, over-expensive celebrations', yet another WB greatest hits release, support of a badly timed memoir, cryptic statements about knowing Prince was going to die two years ago, and keeping his possible enabler/dealer as a full time employee.

BTW, Prince's singing is worth it in this song. The other dude could have done most of the song, and I would still want to hear it..

Its an end times type of a song but its non-demoninational and universal enough to be relatable. I like the song.

[Edited 4/18/17 22:42pm]

Er, when did Prince want his music to be public domain? lol Didn't he sue someone for using one of his songs in an Instagram video of their little kid dancing?

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Reply #154 posted 04/19/17 3:32am

MIRvmn

I really like this ep biggrin Once again it proves that Prince chose no to release some of his best material in recent years
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Thunder, all through the night
Promise to see Jesus in the morning light
Take my hand, it'll be alright
C'mon save your soul tonight
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Reply #155 posted 04/19/17 3:40am

TypoQueen

hmmm what would he say/do when someone making $€£ from his name/music.
hmm what would he say/do if someone messed with his craft.

Don't bother with the lawyers they drag ish out and get rich from his craft
Upload for people to download for free then smile.

If I was the estate I would put all music on official paisley park website that this guy is trying to sell and invite all to download for free. All Sit back and smile think to urself that you got Prince's back.
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Reply #156 posted 04/19/17 3:44am

TheEnglishGent

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IstenSzek said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I'm with you here, IstenSzek. I love much of the later stuff and listen to it a lot.

As for Deliverance, I like it. Not sure about the choir and would definitely like to hear a version without it, but I don't hate it. It made me think of Still Would Stand All Time and I think that kind of backing style would work well on this track.


i'd like to hear it with his back up singers from that time, like tamar and the twins for example.

i think tamar would work well on backing vocals on this.

but i'm not complaining, i'm just glad we have some new tunes to listen to right now cool

Did the twinz do singing? I thought they were just dancers. And yes, Tamar would go well here.

I've only heard Deliverance so far but looking forward to the others. I'm not going to pay someone for an unofficial release, so will wait to hear the rest.

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Reply #157 posted 04/19/17 3:51am

donnyenglish

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To (not so) briefly weigh in on the "putting his music on Spotify against his wishes" etc etc argument...



P's issue was always "they wasn't in the studio", regarding folks profiting off of his creations.



Who is there left to protect??



Do we not all benefit from allowing his music/performances to reach anyone and everyone from now un.til.the.end of time??



Spotify, Youtube, wherever. Let's see it. Let people hear it.



How many thousands (millions?) of folks have been exposed to live performances, rare tracks, OFFICIAL tracks, that they otherwise never would have been, and have come away in awe.



Isn't that what we want? To spread the word? His message? Let it be known?



People are like, WOW! I never knew!!



Who are we protecting? The estate?? Those that opened up his house and had people parading though, what, nine months after he left us??? Oh, I think they'll do just fine. For better or worse.



They wasn't in the studio.



Let the man's creativity breathe. Finally! Spread the love. The world needs it. The example, if nothing else.



.....



And again, the idea of anyone not named Prince "finishing" tracks, as in writing/arranging/producing withOUT him... oh, man. Has he ever had that arrangement with ANYone?? He'd never allow it. Especially not now. Not there to approve the finished product? No way. None. Ever.





I cna agree with the concept that he is gone now and the music needs to be free so that the world can hear it. Perhaps streaming services are now a part of that now that he is gone. So is some dude that helped engineer some tracks for him that has the tapes releasing the stuff on his own. If the end result is the world gets to hear Prince's gifts then it is a good thing. Not sure how the Prince police are saying Deliverance is disrespectful but that hideous urn at Paisley is official and sanctioned? With that said, the video is very disrespectful. Free the music.
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Reply #158 posted 04/19/17 4:04am

BartVanHemelen

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rogifan said:


Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault?

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Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.

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Reply #159 posted 04/19/17 4:06am

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RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

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Reply #160 posted 04/19/17 4:12am

rogifan

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BartVanHemelen said:



rogifan said:



Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault?

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Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.


I'm conflicted. On the one hand I'm concerned what someone might do and these no longer are Prince songs. On the other hand if some of this stuff is really rough and not a final product he would have released but has potential to be great I'd like the final product to show that greatness. The question is who's overseeing this? I know guys like Dave Hampton and Scott Baldwin have offered their services. I don't want someone who wasn't there at the time reinterpreting things. 🤔
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Reply #161 posted 04/19/17 4:19am

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Kara said:

rogifan said:


Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...

In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.

They're in the vault for a reason. Either he didn't think it was good enough to release or it was unfinished and he didn't get back to finishing it or couldn't find other things to go with it. I'm hoping the people brought on board to oversee the vault are ones that worked with him and have an understanding of the music. Maybe there are some things that just need a little finishing salt to be great. I don't want stuff to be released that everyone hears and the first thing they think is wow this sounds unfinished, or worse this sounds awful (because it's an incomplete thought).
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Reply #162 posted 04/19/17 4:20am

epronk

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"

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Reply #163 posted 04/19/17 4:24am

Identity

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.



yeahthat

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Reply #164 posted 04/19/17 4:26am

rogifan

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MMJas said:



rogifan said:


scratch said:
I'm surprised no one is mentioning what, to me, is the obvious elephant in the room: that Prince would absolutely despise the idea of people finishing unreleased tracks of his and releasing them without his final approval. Surprised he didn't do anything to make sure that wouldn't happen, but, then again, he didn't make many preparations for his death at all, it would seem. I think death was a topic he avoided, and kept putting it off until it was too late. Still, the arrangement was tasteful and the song was very good. I like it more than most tracks from that period. Hopefully, if they feel they have to "finish" more incomplete tracks, they'll stick to similarly tasteful arrangements. I really hope we won't see anything like Thriller 2.0 with will.i.am or Timbaland mixes. Still, bizarre to see tracks from this era as the first to release. Can't we get something from his golden period?

Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault? What if some of the best stuff in the vault is like Deliverance? That's why they need the right people overseeing the vault so if there are songs that need to be 'finished' the right people are doing it. While I think this EP is shady as hell listening to Deliverance it sounds like a Prince song to me. It sounds like something he could have released. I am enjoying it a lot and on social media a lot of people are like "wow this is good". I prefer that over another search warrant story...


This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.


I don't think the Estate will have any problem getting people to offer their services. But I don't want some big name producer who never worked with Prince in charge. What makes most sense to me is catalog the songs by era/year they were recorded and bring in the engineers who were around for that time frame and have them oversee those songs.
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Reply #165 posted 04/19/17 4:29am

IstenSzek

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epronk said:

Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?

https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408

"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"



does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes

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Reply #166 posted 04/19/17 4:33am

3stori3s

IstenSzek said:



epronk said:


Finally some music to talk about. Can anyone confirm these are remixed or stuff was added?



https://twitter.com/candyTman/status/854519171559825408



"I've had these as part of a "Planet Earth" 5/2007 sequence and kept it secret out of respect. These are remixed but how crazy for him to do"







does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes




I would be really interested in seeing this as well
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Reply #167 posted 04/19/17 4:35am

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rogifan said:

MMJas said:

This is a very poignant question. Deliverance sounds like a Prince track to me also, but who's to say he'd want the choir in it? Whoever works on those unfinished tracks (and here's hoping there are far less unfinished ones than not) needs to be the right person. I remember orgers discussing the possibility of songs bering worken on by specific collaborators from specific times, like The Revolution working on tracks form their era, etc. That would probably make sense.

I don't think the Estate will have any problem getting people to offer their services. But I don't want some big name producer who never worked with Prince in charge. What makes most sense to me is catalog the songs by era/year they were recorded and bring in the engineers who were around for that time frame and have them oversee those songs.

Exactly.

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Reply #168 posted 04/19/17 4:36am

EddieC

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The EP has leaked, all songs. This is one time I'd actually advocate downloading the music, just so this asshole doesn't get a dime of money. Because why pay for something you get for free - at least in this case.

Honestly, that argument could be made for everything else that ever comes out--none of the money will ever go to either the creator (Prince) or his designated heirs (since there were none). BUT... the only reason (or at least main reason--let's be honest again) that stuff will receive OFFICIAL release is that money will be going to someone. So, if none of us pay (or if only a few of us pay), there's not much chance we're gonna hear much music.

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Reply #169 posted 04/19/17 4:43am

IstenSzek

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3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:



does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes

I would be really interested in seeing this as well



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

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Reply #170 posted 04/19/17 4:54am

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Was this recorded at Paisley Park?
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Reply #171 posted 04/19/17 4:56am

3stori3s

IstenSzek said:



3stori3s said:


IstenSzek said:




does anyone have the tracklist for this early version of Planet Earth.

and for the early version of LotusFlower too, for that matter? batting eyes



I would be really interested in seeing this as well



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.



Do you have a source or link to this? This one slipped past my radar but I would love to see it. Couldn't find anything on Sam's Twitter
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Reply #172 posted 04/19/17 5:03am

RODSERLING

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.

Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam

.

This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

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Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

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It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

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I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

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Reply #173 posted 04/19/17 5:05am

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RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.

You're talking nonsense.

Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.

.

Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.

.

It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.

.

I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.

Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.

[Edited 4/19/17 5:03am]

[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]

This stuff takes time when the artist didn't leave a will.

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Reply #174 posted 04/19/17 5:07am

IstenSzek

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3stori3s said:

IstenSzek said:



i saw sam jennings post artwork he did early on for lotusflower (totally different from
what ended up being the official artwork, but pretty cool). but that one already had a
tracklist that was identical to the released version.

pretty intereseted in all those things that happened in the studio between late 2005
and 2009.

Do you have a source or link to this? This one slipped past my radar but I would love to see it. Couldn't find anything on Sam's Twitter


i'm sorry, i don't. i wouldn't know where to begin looking at this moment,
so many things pop up in all kinds of places and are gone again a day or
so later. but i'm sure other people managed to save the pics.

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Reply #175 posted 04/19/17 5:07am

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RODSERLING said:



BartVanHemelen said:




RODSERLING said:


At least this guy, all alone, was able to release something really new.



Not like the estate. In one year, they only released a well known track - Moonbeam



.


This is the equivalent of bitching about not getting enough of a discount in a shop and praising the shoplifter who gave it to you for next to free.



You're talking nonsense.


Those 6 tracks will never be released officially in your lifetime. We are now 1 year after P's death, and there is only 1 track officially released - taken from the same source than the bootleg. Such a shame for an artist who recorded hundreds of unreleased tracks, if not thousands.


.



Personnaly, I didn't even bother to listen to the DELIVERANCE tracks. I listened to some unreleased bootleg, and I didn't like them. Just my opinion. But objectively, I support this "release" because of the reasons stated above.


.


It hurts me to say that, but even MJ's estate was way better handled than Prince's. And god knows that MJ's estate was very badly handled - and still is.


.


I think it would have been smart to release last year the P and M tour on CD, the BLACK IS THE NEW BLACK album and the PR Deluxe, in order to maximize interest in Prince for the largest audience possible.


Now, ( I hope to be proved wrong ) the interest is dead. Like with MJ. They waited way too long.


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[Edited 4/19/17 5:04am]


Who had the authority to release music last year?
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Reply #176 posted 04/19/17 5:08am

darkroman

It's sad that someone would think they have the right to release these when they don't.

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In the last twelve months all we have had is exploitation and very little reflection.

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Sadly the estate haven't delivered anything of value and have fuelled this.

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sad

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Reply #177 posted 04/19/17 5:16am

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My god it feels so good to hear him. I don't really care how it's come to us. I've seriously missed this.

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Reply #178 posted 04/19/17 5:16am

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:



rogifan said:



Well and this is the question...what if there are a lot of unfinished tracks in the vault?

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Leave them the fuck alone. Or at least give us those versions besides the "improved" ones.



Totally agree!
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Reply #179 posted 04/19/17 5:20am

Kara

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rogifan said:

Kara said:


In my opinion, Prince's unreleased songs are historical documents that should be left just as he left them. That's how I want to hear them. No finishing compositions, adding stuff, etc. Art shouldn't be altered in that way.

They're in the vault for a reason. Either he didn't think it was good enough to release or it was unfinished and he didn't get back to finishing it or couldn't find other things to go with it. I'm hoping the people brought on board to oversee the vault are ones that worked with him and have an understanding of the music. Maybe there are some things that just need a little finishing salt to be great. I don't want stuff to be released that everyone hears and the first thing they think is wow this sounds unfinished, or worse this sounds awful (because it's an incomplete thought).

I care much less about other people's opinions of his music than I do about hearing Prince's music in it's unadulterated form as he intended it to sound in that moment in time. Incomplete thoughts can be interesting, too. I love hearing demos/alternate versions, hearing the progression of a song, and gaining insight into the creative process. Someone completing his thoughts for him after his death is artistic sacrilege to me.
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