independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Former Prince engineer Ian Boxill releases 6 song Prince EP, "Deliverance"
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 18 of 20 « First<11121314151617181920>

This is a "featured" topic! — From here you can jump to the « previous or next » featured topic.

  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #510 posted 04/22/17 11:43am

EddieC

razz

(originally a comment continuing my previous post--but since it showed up on the next page, it didn't really work. Nothing important, any way.)

[Edited 4/22/17 11:44am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #511 posted 04/22/17 11:54am

jaypotton

EddieC said:

I agree with the people who say they want the "original" recordings, without Boxill's additions since Prince's death. But what does that mean? Boxill (at least according to his account) already did some arranging and recording on his own BEFORE Prince died with Prince giving his approval for those contributions to the tracks. Yes, Boxill was working in the capacity of an arranger, and almost certainly would never have gotten a producer credit (nor a composer credit) if those versions had been released by Prince. But they were still part of an overall Prince-led and -controlled project. So those versions (with Boxill's arrangements and recordings) would count as "real Prince outtakes" and, like the Eric Leeds on sax version of The Ballad of Dorothy Parker would be something I would want to have and consider actual Prince products. As much so as versions that were exclusively Prince and did not include any Boxill contributions (other than engineering work, obviously).



However, the post-death versions are what we have for now (perhaps the others will sometime be available to us, and that would be nice)--and they probably come close to what the norm for future releases will be. I don't know what the process used for the Purple Rain package was, and whether it was all done before Prince's death or not (I suspect not, based on some of the tracklist), but I'm guessing a lot of vault releases will require "finishing" in some way, at least for general consumption. They might dump material on us as much of Dylan's recent "clearing the decks" type releases have been, but I doubt it--if for no other reason than that collectors already have so much of it. I figure they'll do it in smaller batches, and aim for releasing things that "feel" like completed work--and that's gonna mean completing it, sometimes.



I don't anticipate huge amounts of additions, but I think that we need to get used to the idea that "official" releases from the estate are not going to be "Prince" versions--other people will be shaping them. This is obviously going to be the case as far as any "albums" or "collections" we see--but it's also going to be true for individual tracks. And if it isn't, some of us will complain about the result as many of us did about Moonbeam Levels--"it sounds like an outtake"--"it sounds like an old recording from 1982"--which of course it is, one he abandoned back then, without ever completely finishing, without ever mixing and mastering to a completed state, without ever placing in a definite context. People other than Prince will make what are artistic decisions--and Prince didn't even make the decision about who those people would be. So while there are going to be (I hope) many releases coming from the folks who have the legal authority to release Prince material, none of those releases will be Prince-authorized, or Prince-approved, or (in all likelihood) necessarily Prince-heard, or exclusively Prince-created. Boxill's attempted release obviously wasn't any of those things--but if the estate were to decide to release the same versions a month or a decade from now--which one assumes they could since their blocking of Boxill's release is based on the idea that the estate owns the recordings--they would suddenly become legal "official Prince releases" but they still wouldn't be Prince-authorized, -approved, or even -heard.



The posthumous releases are all compromised--none of them have Prince's authorization. Even those that he may have been working on or approved before his death he might have changed his mind on had he lived, adding, editing, or even cancelling. As far as I'm concerned, the official discography ended with Black Sweat on April 18, 2016. That's the last thing that we know came out with his approval; everything else (official or unofficial) is subject to other people's will.



I know this is long-winded and maybe unnecessary. I guess I'm just thinking aloud. But some people seem to be far more judgmental or certain about this whole issue than I am. So I thought I'd just see what my thinking really was. For what it's worth.



EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read!

Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen?
[Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #512 posted 04/22/17 12:00pm

TheEnglishGent

avatar

jaypotton said:


EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read! Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen? [Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]

Don't worry, it's not your screen. You need to do a shift+enter to get a paragraph break to work here for a normal post. They work in quotes though. One of the quirks of the org smile.

RIP sad
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #513 posted 04/22/17 1:37pm

EddieC

TheEnglishGent said:

jaypotton said:


EddieC what happened to your paragraph breaks...very hard to read! Edit: and yet they magically reappear when I quoted you? Weird. Maybe just my screen? [Edited 4/22/17 11:56am]

Don't worry, it's not your screen. You need to do a shift+enter to get a paragraph break to work here for a normal post. They work in quotes though. One of the quirks of the org smile.

I keep forgetting how to do that for some reason. Sorry.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #514 posted 04/22/17 2:22pm

stpaisios

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #515 posted 04/22/17 3:33pm

laurarichardso
n

stpaisios said:

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.


-/He did not keep it this fuckwad had the whole time.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #516 posted 04/22/17 5:17pm

controversy99

avatar

Very nice little EP and a good surprise. Here's my review:

**** out of 5

1. Deliverance
Best track on the album and one of his strongest of the past 10 years. Lyrically, it's a great example of Prince going spiritual without being dogmatic. That's a nice change compared to some of the more JW-influenced material. The singing and guitar are great, inspired without being districting.

The opera, tracks 2-5
The connections between these tracks are pretty cool, although to me it's really tracks 3-5 that hang together. Track 2 stands alone nicely.

2. I Am
My second favorite track. The guitar solo is great. It's got a lot of little flourishes that he rarely included on studio albums. There's a guitar riff that he's copped from somewhere else, but I can't place it. "And I heard 'em say!" nice little alusion to spiritual songs.

3. Touch Me
This where the album gets a little cheesy. It's got an All the Midnights in the World vibe, especially the singing, but it's much, much better than that song. The lyrics are interesting. It's a nice little song, not too exciting but pretty enjoyable.

4. Sunrise Sunset
This song reminded me of the Beatles--it has a vibe like on of Paul McCartney's cheesier songs, that somehow works in the context of a great album. This song is similar. It's cheesy by itself, especially in the beginning, but it gets stronger as it continues and fits nicely in the album. The tie into No One Else works.

5. No One Else
It's understated but interesting. This really ties in Touch Me and Sunrise Sunset obviously, although it kind of shortens the actual No One Else themed section of the song.

6. I Am (extended)
See #2, except more. I like this song, so a longer version is nice.

Overall
Nice production, good guitar, great organic sound, and pretty good songwriting. It's in the top 25 albums/EPs/maxi-singles of his career (meaning better than average). I rank it around the Gett Off maxi-single.
[Edited 4/22/17 17:20pm]
"Love & honesty, peace & harmony"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #517 posted 04/22/17 5:29pm

awruss

avatar

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think this whole thing is brilliant. I wasn't sure at first, but listening to it in its entirety a few times, the brilliance shines through. Deliverance is moving, and so needed right now. I love how the Man Opera flows together as one song. It kind of takes me back to Golden Slumbers-Carry That Weight-The End in its execution. Who else could put something together quite like this? I Am is just nasty. "Who will touch me and know that I'm real?" Love that line. What a gift!

I was thinking the same exact thing that is reminded me of the Abbey Road medleys.

For those people who aren't familiar, let me explain the brilliance. Abbey Road has two Medleys. The first begins with "You Never Give Me Your Money", and what the Beatles did is, they took the middle bridge and reprised the beginning of "You Never Give Me Your Money" (with different lyrics) within the second medley (Golden Slumbers / Carry That Weight / The End) thereby "connecting" the entire second half of the album and giving it a feeling of completness which is considered, by many, to be brilliant!!!


What Prince did here is very similar. He included parts of "Sunrise Sunset" and "Touch Me" within the final song of the medley, "No One Else", so yeah, it's freakin' brilliant!!!!

I think what might have happened is some people might have simply listened to the songs individually, and maybe they haven't realized yet that the songs are actually part of a medley, and need to be listened to as such to feel it.

It only took me three listens to "get it" and realize the brilliance of it.

As far as the individual songs are concerned:

"Deliverance" - LOVE IT!!! This song is just amazing!!! I haven't been this excited with a new Prince song since P-Funk.

"I Am" - Not a huge fan. Funny that a song from that era sounds so much like the Third Eye Girl stuff he did later on. To me, it's an OK song, but it doesn't seem to fit in with the same vibe as the other three songs in the medley.

"Touch Me" - reminds me of the song "Splash" - similar vibe. Very nice heartfelt song!!!

"Sunrise Sunset" - reminds me of Queen, and even the Beatles in that it has that music hall quality to it - especially the piano part. If Paul McCartney ever hears this, he would love it! The song does have that operatic feeling like parts of Behemian Rhapsody. Love It!!!

No One Else - i LOVE how the songs starts - that is some groove right there! The song also reminds me a little of some parts of the song Crystal Ball.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #518 posted 04/23/17 11:28am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

feeluupp said:

homesquid said:

Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #519 posted 04/23/17 11:33am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

TheEnglishGent said: I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.


[Bait snip - luv4u]

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #520 posted 04/24/17 3:56am

jaypotton

fortuneandserendipity said:



feeluupp said:




homesquid said:


Interesting because it's Prince but it's not really essential. It's subpar Prince. I listened to it twice and never will again.




Agreed...



I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...



But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...



This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.



The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.



You forgot to say "IMHO" because that is what that is, your opinion
biggrin

Personally I far prefer 3121 to PE but also prefer Lotusflwr to 3121. However, I prefer PE to 20Ten. Musicology has always been a odd one for me. Like it but don't love it.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #521 posted 04/24/17 3:57am

jaypotton

fortuneandserendipity said:



laurarichardson said:




paulludvig said:


TheEnglishGent said: I don't see why we have to make peace with people tampering with Prince's music. If I go to a museum to look at a sketch by Michelangelo I don't expect to see a version "enhanced" by the museum curator. Let's hope those in a position to release Prince's music show some respect for Prince as an artist.

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill



http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true



Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.





[Bait snip - luv4u]



Why the personal attack on Laurarichardson?
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #522 posted 04/24/17 4:06am

laurarichardso
n

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Dr Funkenberry has some info on Ian Boxhill

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-dr-funk-podcast/e/49-deliverance-ep-49887852?autoplay=true

Apparently Ian told the Doctor that he did not get paid for work he did on this Deliverence project so it looks like this was his stupid way to get paid when he should have just filed a claim like anybody with a lick of sense would do.

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #523 posted 04/24/17 4:17am

Mumio

avatar

jaypotton said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Why the personal attack on Laurarichardson?



I am curious too why lately people think they need to be attacking anyone here.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #524 posted 04/24/17 6:28am

luv4u

Moderator

avatar

moderator

Move on ............ lurking

canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #525 posted 04/24/17 7:54am

DD55

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

Kinda funny they have a copy of this contract but didn't have the WB contract. hummmm. just saying.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #526 posted 04/24/17 8:08am

MiceElfAgin

laurarichardson said:

stpaisios said:

Only Prince had luxury to keep material like this... buried and unreleased.

-/He did not keep it this fuckwad had the whole time.

.
You don't seriously assume that Boxill has the original multitrack tapes in his posession, do you?

Obviously he just had digital copies he worked with, not the 2" tape itself – so Prince could've made his own mix and released this material anytime.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #527 posted 04/24/17 8:11am

TheEnglishGent

avatar

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

Kinda funny they have a copy of this contract but didn't have the WB contract. hummmm. just saying.

Prince had no problems getting other people to sign contracts/nda's etc. Just didn't fancy them much for himself.

RIP sad
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #528 posted 04/24/17 10:21am

leadline

avatar

Tocuh Me is one of the most beautiful songs I have heard from him in at least a decade. Stunningly gorgeous song.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #529 posted 04/24/17 11:45am

cloveringold85

avatar

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

.

I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #530 posted 04/24/17 12:01pm

leadline

avatar

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?

The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.

.

I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.


Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir. Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #531 posted 04/24/17 1:34pm

cloveringold85

avatar

leadline said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.


Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir. Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.

.

Interesting. I have not read about that one.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #532 posted 04/24/17 9:17pm

Kara

avatar

leadline said:



cloveringold85 said:




laurarichardson said:



I copied Dr. Funkenberry's podcast and he is making the statements. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ian does not own the master tape and Ian has no copyright on the material. The estate is saying they have a copy of a contract he signed stating he would have no ownership of the material. Do you think a Federal court would issue a court order based off of no evidence?



The only person without common sense would be you because your reaction is to attack the messenger because you do not like the message. We know Ian's is an greedy idiot what is your excuse.





.


I agree, Laura. Ian had no legal right to release that music. I don't know why people want to argue about that fact. It's all history now.





Wasn't it in one of the recent articles that the estate was present last year when the revisions were being made? The article stated they were present for the recording of the choir. Wish I could find that article to link it, I have read so many in the last few days.


A poster in this thread made that claim...

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=8
Reply #221 posted 04/19/17 7:41am
TrcikyChristopher

"Unauthorized" in the sense that I'd imagine the Estate wanted to release this but were beaten to the punch by the engineer.
As stated before, a choir member informed me that Estate reps were there last year during recording and watching everyone with a microscope, so my guess is that they at the very least planned to release the title track at some point.
Being that Boxill "finished" the songs by adding the choir and maybe some additional keys, etc. ("Crystal Ball" box set, anyone?) he's counted as a co-writer or producer (in their strictest legal terms) and has some claim to the songs/masters being that Estate was present during at least one of the sessions.
Here's the thing, though - the actual release of the product all hangs on whether or not he had the legal right to do so. The 94 East sessions, which P had a hand in writing and performing on, is a perfect example of that due to them being "studio work" and him not being signed at the time, theoretically barring WB from having any claim to the work and the sessions being "completed" and repackaged ad nauseum over the years.
This seems to be pretty much the same situation. Can't say for sure.
What gets me is - how the Estate reps were present for sessions and then suing due to the release.
Perhaps Ian's deal with the Estate fell through and he released it through RMA, as indie as possible and giving at least a portion of proceeds to the Estate.
Or maybe this was all before the allegedly botched Universal deal...
Think of it this way - somewhere in 2005-2006, MJ was recording in UAE. Apparently had at least a full album of material ready to be released independently but never did. Once MJ passed and Epic took control of some unreleased music, studio/label owner/executive producer in UAE still has his MJ sessions and says "hey, I wanna release this and give money to the kids". The estate (not the family) says "f you, give us the tracks or we'll sue because we just signed a new, posthumous deal with Epic". Theoretically, the UAE dude has some legal claim to the masters since they were under MJ's indie phase.
Add all that into consideration, and the assumption that P didn't have a will, and here we are.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #533 posted 04/25/17 2:28am

MiceElfAgin

If it's true that the estate's reps were present when Boxill recorded the choir, then to me it's just further evidence of how shady Boxill is.

.

If a client owes me money for years (as Boxill claims he wasn't paid by Prince for tracking, arranging and mixing this material), I don't go back to the same client to do more work for free – I insist to be paid first before putting even more work hours into the project.
.
I'm sure the estate could've afforded to pay the guy for his 2006 work (if Boxill can prove he wasn't paid back then), especially as they considered 'Deliverance' to be so important to have it finished potentially for the first vault release.

.

Apparently, instead of pursuing getting his long-overdue payment, Boxill speculated he could make more by putting 'Deliverance' out on his own, behind the estate's back.
.
There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

.


[Edited 4/25/17 2:30am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #534 posted 04/25/17 7:26am

udo

avatar

MiceElfAgin said:

There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

.

Does ownership of the goods transfer when payment is made?

If no: what leverage does said Boxhill have over Prince or his estate?

Does the estate have money to compensate Boxhill?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #535 posted 04/25/17 7:41am

MiceElfAgin

udo said:

MiceElfAgin said:

There's no way the estate could've agreed to him claiming co-authorship of the songs and co-ownership of the recordings.

.

Does ownership of the goods transfer when payment is made?

If no: what leverage does said Boxhill have over Prince or his estate?

Does the estate have money to compensate Boxhill?

.
What do you mean on "goods"?
Publishing rights? Owndership of the recordings? Licensing rights? Or the USB-stick or hard drive holding copies of the recordings?

Of course it always depends on the agreement between the two parties. If NPG Records has used Boxill's services as a sound engineer or arranger, that is simply 'work for hire', something that's usually paid by the hour or per song, for example. That absolutely does not entitle him to claim co-authorship in the songs or co-ownership of the recordings. Regardless of whether he was paid for his work or not. If he has issued invoices to NPG Records that remain unsettled, he could take the estate to court, if he wants to. Having such a dispute over any invoices does not grant him any rights to the compositions or the recordings.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #536 posted 04/25/17 8:11am

leecaldon

fortuneandserendipity said:

feeluupp said:

Agreed...

I don't understand all the people saying this is a masterpiece... I guess they are just really on high emotions during this time...

But yes it very subpar, some nice guitar playing on the song Deliverance, butnothing special about anything on the EP. Anyone calling this a masterpiece needs to go back and listen to the actual "masterpieces" he created...

This is subpar Prince and recorded at his most subpar time period, during the Planet Earth era.

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #537 posted 04/25/17 8:13am

TheEnglishGent

avatar

leecaldon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem with that is, Planet Earth is far superior to Musicology or 3121. So you probably don't get it.

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

RIP sad
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #538 posted 04/25/17 6:56pm

luvsexy4all

TheEnglishGent said:

leecaldon said:

It's all opinion. But I'm pretty certain if you were to take a survey of fans, Musicology and especially 3121 would be considered superior to Planet Earth.

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

PE is better than 3121.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #539 posted 04/25/17 9:11pm

ludwig

luvsexy4all said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I agree with this, even though I personally prefer Planet Earth.

PE is better than 3121.

No.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 18 of 20 « First<11121314151617181920>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)

This is a "featured" topic! — From here you can jump to the « previous or next » featured topic.

« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Former Prince engineer Ian Boxill releases 6 song Prince EP, "Deliverance"