rogifan said:

He certainly looks tired or more emotional during the P&M shows...

he looked haggard to me. a sign of stress/health issues usually. they say malcolm x looked ten years older the last weeks of his life.

MD431Madcat said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe it was, but as a fan, i can't think of any time that Prince did anything like that. of course he always had his own quirky fashion sense but he was always cool as fuck, the bandana covering one eye, if i was an adult in 85 i would have thought he was an idiot but as a 16 year old, he was the coolest thing in the world.

ya, he wore the hell out of that little richard thing in the diamonds and pearl era. the purple rain era he wored a headband over one eye, either way, he was cool as fuck. someone tried to say they gave him the idea for the bandana, a female dancer i think but no...it's clearly little richard inspired.

muleFunk said:

lastdecember said:

The first thing we have to do is seperate the term DRUGS and MEDICINE. Because that language is why prescription medicine deaths are never cared about for very long because they are ruled "Drug overdoses" or called that and when the public hears "DRUG OD" they dismiss the story quickly and nothing is ever done about the ongoing issue of Medicines that are more powerful and addictive being given to anyone and everyone and being able to be purchased over the net too.

When we seperate that we can talk about this death for real. PRINCE was not a drug addict, meaning coke heroin etc...if he was he never would have lived this long something woud have broken down in him, if what was said is true that he was doing this since the 80's he surely would have died in the 80's. I feel the more that time passes and I look at these photos that have been coming out from all eras and just look at the man circa 2013 with 3EG and then again looking at him 2 years later, people are in denial and wearing purple covered glasses by saying he looked alright or the same or just thin. HUGE difference between thin and frail, the difference is HEALTH and sickness. and i do feel he was ILL be it cancer possible we will never know, but I feel someone does know and he was trying to control it all but he could not do it.

That's why the whole story has major holes and my gut feeling is that he was sick.

but you think he was murdered right?

PeteSilas said:

he looked haggard to me. a sign of stress/health issues usually. they say malcolm x looked ten years older the last weeks of his life.

I mean, if we're being honest here, it's a microsecond of a lifetime. We all know there's a brief moment that someone can accidentally snap a photo makes the subject look horrendous, or awkward, or otherwise unflattering. This is definitely one of those pics. There are plenty of Prince in awkward moments. (Dollars to donuts there's been a thread or two about it on the Org.)

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

he looked haggard to me. a sign of stress/health issues usually. they say malcolm x looked ten years older the last weeks of his life.

I mean, if we're being honest here, it's a microsecond of a lifetime. We all know there's a brief moment that someone can accidentally snap a photo makes the subject look horrendous, or awkward, or otherwise unflattering. This is definitely one of those pics. There are plenty of Prince in awkward moments. (Dollars to donuts there's been a thread or two about it on the Org.)

of course there have, in fact one of those threads is my favorite org moment, we had a thread "most unflattering prince pics" there was one where he looks like a horse, i threw in my two cents and said "he looks like a tard" next thing you knew, pics were banned from the org and prince sent us phunk. memories.

these later pics consistently look older, but he was old, 57 is old, it's not elderly but it's more than old enough to show some age.

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

muleFunk said:

That's why the whole story has major holes and my gut feeling is that he was sick.

but you think he was murdered right?

It's in the realm of possibility.

Doesn't stop him from being sick.

I think he was in pain and did not have access for whatever reason to pain releafe and took something he KNEW was a risk and relized it and was trying to get to a phone to call for help and passed out and died...

he should not have been left alone

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

IamBryan said:

Prince was getting those drugs illegally...so I am curious..wouldn't be half responsible? Not that it matters at this point.

You are speculating. Princes death is a homicide, someone did this to him. There is no proof he was taking any drugs.

ummmmm........no proof? what did they police find on him and at PP...vitamins?!?! Prince did this to himself with the assitance of some enablers....

PeteSilas said:

TrivialPursuit said:

muleFunk said:

IamBryan said:

IamBryan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

IamBryan said: You are speculating. Princes death is a homicide, someone did this to him. There is no proof he was taking any drugs.

ummmmm........no proof? what did they police find on him and at PP...vitamins?!?! Prince did this to himself with the assitance of some enablers....

the proof was that he did not have any current prescriptions in his name and he took a fake pill... I would say what happened was he was too proud to seek a prescription in his name so when he could not get enough by proxy he got some illegally. And the sad fact is this was at least the 2nd time he ODed

PeteSilas said:

of course there have, in fact one of those threads is my favorite org moment, we had a thread "most unflattering prince pics"

Ohhh, I need to find that one again. I remember GIFs of Prince falling or tripping on stage. Ol' boy always played it off rather well.

1contessa said:

What's really hard to take and believe is Prince dying of and doing any kind of drugs, period. It just doesn't add up! How many times have we heard of how clean living he was, how he used to lecture others on and ban anything unhealthy from Paisley Park, or anywhere around him? I even remember articles I've read, where others says how even in his younger days, he used to shake his head unapprovingly at others, and say something to them when he knew they were high on drugs. All you ever heard was how clean living he was, how he used to eat right, etc. That's why it's so hard for us fans that's been a fan for so long, to believe that he was a drug abuser/user. I think there was more going on, like he was seriously ill, or else murdered, because things just don't add up. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever know the full or real truth surrounding his health or death.

It doesnt add up? What about the revelations of his goodwill behind the scenes that he has been giving to others all without our knowledge? It goes both ways. Not saying that he was a drug addict or even a casual user, but Im sure he took something, sometimes, for some reasons we all kind of know now. Even over the years. I remember watching the Syracuse PR and Atlanta PR shows and being amazed at the physicality of the performances. The jumping on and off of risers etc. There's a part in the Atlanta show where he jumps on his piano without even using his hands! Now most sportsmen/women have to be iced, soothed, etc. after, during playing, and years after when they are retired. Prince and other physical performers are no different in my opinion.

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TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

of course there have, in fact one of those threads is my favorite org moment, we had a thread "most unflattering prince pics"

Ohhh, I need to find that one again. I remember GIFs of Prince falling or tripping on stage. Ol' boy always played it off rather well.

here it is, my old username is there, i got banned for defending marvin gaye a few years after this http://prince.org/msg/7/241078?pg=17

PeteSilas said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Ohhh, I need to find that one again. I remember GIFs of Prince falling or tripping on stage. Ol' boy always played it off rather well.

here it is, my old username is there, i got banned for defending marvin gaye a few years after this http://prince.org/msg/7/241078?pg=17

Thank you Pete.

PeteSilas said:

precioux said:

Militant said:

My take on it, if we believe it to be accidental - the Narcan shots removed Prince's tolerance for the pain medication he was on. With no tolerance, a small or regular dose overwhelms you. Same thing that happened to Amy Winehouse with alcohol. You build up tolerance over time and your body can handle a lot.

BTW - Prince mended his relationship with Tyka circa 2013 and she was running NPG Publishing. It is not correct to say she was absent from his life.

Narcan doesn't do that, I was told. Prince pruchsed the fentanyl illicitly. They were disguised as as ibuprofins, I think. And the dosage in the pills was much higher than it should have been.

laurarichardson said:

KaresB said:

lastdecember said:

The first thing we have to do is seperate the term DRUGS and MEDICINE. Because that language is why prescription medicine deaths are never cared about for very long because they are ruled "Drug overdoses" or called that and when the public hears "DRUG OD" they dismiss the story quickly and nothing is ever done about the ongoing issue of Medicines that are more powerful and addictive being given to anyone and everyone and being able to be purchased over the net too.

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Excuse me, I don't know what drug you're on, but medicine=drug. Both mean the same thing, regardless whether a drug is prescribed or legal or illegal.

You do not understand how powerful prescription meds are and how quickly they are being doled out to people. I will always believe he got started with an Tx and would have been dead as doornail if he be doing them all along illegally.

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Are you talking to me?
Maybe try reading my post before responding to it?

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Where did I say anything about the power of prescription meds or how they are doled out to people?
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Jeez!

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laurarichardson said:

KaresB said:

lastdecember said:

KaresB said:

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Excuse me, I don't know what drug you're on, but medicine=drug. Both mean the same thing, regardless whether a drug is prescribed or legal or illegal.

It's not, it's how people shape language to hide things. They call it medicine when it helps you and a drug when it kills you that is what I am saying. When people heard Prince died of a drug overdose or any other celeb that has they have a different image, drugs are associated different then Medicine. Whoever saw a headline that read so and so dies from medicine overdose? If they phrased it that way it puts the fault on doctors, drug overdose puts the blame on the person 100%.

I do agree with your statements. Even if the the pills were not illicit the headlines would be the same.

lastdecember said:

KaresB said:

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Excuse me, I don't know what drug you're on, but medicine=drug. Both mean the same thing, regardless whether a drug is prescribed or legal or illegal.

It's not, it's how people shape language to hide things. They call it medicine when it helps you and a drug when it kills you that is what I am saying. When people heard Prince died of a drug overdose or any other celeb that has they have a different image, drugs are associated different then Medicine. Whoever saw a headline that read so and so dies from medicine overdose? If they phrased it that way it puts the fault on doctors, drug overdose puts the blame on the person 100%.

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You're wrong.

med·i·cine

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JudasLChrist said:

u have to ask yourself..what would be the benefit of killing MJ and/ or P ?? who had something to gain??

PeteSilas said:

muleFunk said:

That's my point ...

It's very possible he didn't know it was from the street. It's possible thinking that he was taking prescription meds. I don't think he would have been taking street meds or counterfeit meds when he had the means to get those drugs illegally through legal sources. My law enforcement sources say it happens all the time. However I think that he was getting those meds through a mail order prescription drug company in Canada which some of those companies found medications that were counterfeit last Spring. I am still trying to find that source but I read that on several sites after April 21. The DEA said that he didn't have any prescriptions in America but it didn't say a word about Canada.

Elvis was found on the floor in his bathroom after saying that he was going to have a bowel movement. He had his PJs on and they were down around his feet. He also died of heart failure due to long term drug use.

I agree with you about Death not caring what you look like when she comes but something is still foul about that. Fentanyl in the amounts found in his system and from that one pill would have killed him within minutes. He wouldn't suddenly pop up and frantically put clothes on backwards.

from what i hear about those types of od's, it's highly unusual for him to be found in an elevator too. I guess, what Michael Baden implied was that these drugs will take away your motor abilities so fast that you won't really have time, i don't know a lot about drugs. maybe prince staged it all himself, there is also the interesting fact that the pic on his twitter was changed to remove the sunglasses and reveal a tear and closed eyes as well as his glyph being completed. something isn't as simple as any of the 'official" reasons we're getting that's for sure. some fans seem to not care about this but I'd say most of us do. something is rotten in denmark.

Do you know when exactly this was?