joytotheworld said:

Menes said:

Oh, shes been the head buzzard from the first contact. She practically wholesaled Mayte's vulva as a sacrificial piece to Prince. I bet she had her hymen checked before auctioning her off to the highest bidder.

People should ask themselves why would a mother allow her 16 year old virgin daughter to engage with one the world's most well known playboys. You know she had to have a long term stratgey for the *uss to pay dividends. I bet you that wont be written with any unpleasantness if it's in the book. The whole lot of them should be qurantined.

That just crude. What's next? First, it's the money, then when did she get with the publicist, then the stomach pump/drugs, the mother/body parts....I may have missed anything about Ahmir.

Would you let your 16 year old virgin daughter date a world renowned playboy twice her age? Why do you think she allowed it?

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

No, I've not seen the picture. But that isn't what I'm questioning about. You stated that she wore it simply to promote the book and that the book comes first, not Prince. So I was wanting to see where you read that? But if you are just getting it from a picture of Mayte's mom, then ... it's just your interpretation of why she is wearing the symbol necklace. I never watched Hollywood Exes, had no desire to, so I have take others words that she spoke poorly of Prince in the show. But to state with certainty that is the reason she wore the necklace, without anything to support that, is just supposition and interpretation of what you believe her motives to be.

Do you think Nelly wore the necklace 2 weeks ago because shes been listening to Raspberry Beret on full blast and was just having a Prince moment? Come on, 2+2=4 But you wont accept that, its your problem not mine.

She more likely was listening to Thieves in the Temple.

benni said:

benni said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said: --/I am sorry for the things that happened in your family however one can heal with time over any tradegy. I believe Prince was deeply hurt by what happened but he a pattern of pushing forward by throwing himself into his work. Parents died still working. Child dies still working, relationships going bad still working, money troubles still working and I am sure whatever else he had going on. I will not go into having his parents throw him into the streets. I believe he had issues as many people do that have a hard scrable upbringing but I do not believe he dealt with it by being a recreational drug user. You have at least a half a dozen people telling you he had pain. He even mentions surgery in the 2010 Ebony magazine interview. He told Kevin Smith that his knee was frozen and he could not get up. Eric Leeds said he saw him getting shots in knees when they were on the One Night Alone tour. I do not see his issues as any different than professional atheletes they have injuries and they keep playing.

Everyone deals with things in their own way. I don't think Michelle was saying that Prince was a recreational drug user. Or at least I didn't see that in her post. I see her saying, however, that she believed Prince never fully got over the loss of his child. There are many people that lose a child that never fully heal from that. But we all deal with our grief and pain in our own way. Prince's way was to bury himself in work, as evidenced by your statements.

Agree with this, benni, and if the bolded line is a characterization of Michelle's post, I saw the opposite. Michelle's post says: "Prince did not have a history of using drugs recreationally. I believe that he was using painkillers because he was sick and was self-medicating."

Menes said:

Menes said:

joytotheworld said:

That just crude. What's next? First, it's the money, then when did she get with the publicist, then the stomach pump/drugs, the mother/body parts....I may have missed anything about Ahmir.

Would you let your 16 year old virgin daughter date a world renowned playboy twice her age? Why do you think she allowed it?

I have no idea why she allowed it nor do I care. It is history. That is not what I was referring to as crude.

MMJas said:

Lovejunky said:

Thought Id dump this here since it really is about Maytes Book..THANKS RAYE

Opinion: Did People Mag P...ar enough?

https://rayesradar.wordpress.com/2017/03/17/opinion-did-people-mag-prince-article-go-too-far-or-not-far-enough/

Stand out comments :

I agree. I think Prince was trying to get her out of that depressive state, worrying that she might not recover so soon, perhaps.

Agrre also about the omission of any hip problems and the hip surgery. Why? This strikes me as odd and led me to question whether the joint pain narrative was true or not.

Lets also recall that Prince did mention in his OPRAH interveiw "He took someone through therapy" now back then Im not sure we gave it any thought but hearing things now this could have been MAYTE, because Prince then says how he learned things about himself.

joytotheworld said:

Menes said:

Would you let your 16 year old virgin daughter date a world renowned playboy twice her age? Why do you think she allowed it?

I have no idea why she allowed it nor do I care. It is history. That is not what I was referring to as crude.

If you're referring to the part regarding the wholesaling of the vulva in the hope of securing future dividends, my hand slipped and hit a few extra keys. Forgive me. In some cultures, it is very normal to marry off your young daughter with her hymen intact to a man twice her age. This not only increases the dowry, but it also has long term goals acutely associated with cash. It is better know by the term "security blanket". He was the equivalent of that.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

She had to have known the media would take tidbits and make it negative?...Did Andre Cymone know that the media was going to use him in a bad way when he sat down with them for the This is how it happened (or whatever) the show is called? NO he didn't. He even made a statement about it.

**** All books have marketing plans. Comparing Andre's stiuation to Mayte is ridiculous. Stop being naive. At this point even if this was not apart of the plan she could speak up and say something. Also the auction people at Norman Sanders said she told @ Prince does not want to mess with me" She is much more spiteful than some of you are willing to believe or you have stock in the publishing company.

No you said Mayte had to have known, again if that's the case then Andre had to have known also.

joytotheworld said:

Menes said:

Oh, shes been the head buzzard from the first contact. She practically wholesaled Mayte's vulva as a sacrificial piece to Prince. I bet she had her hymen checked before auctioning her off to the highest bidder.

People should ask themselves why would a mother allow her 16 year old virgin daughter to engage with one the world's most well known playboys. You know she had to have a long term stratgey for the *uss to pay dividends. I bet you that wont be written with any unpleasantness if it's in the book. The whole lot of them should be qurantined.

That just crude. What's next? First, it's the money, then when did she get with the publicist, then the stomach pump/drugs, the mother/body parts....I may have missed anything about Ahmir.

..

[Edited 3/19/17 10:02am]

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

You say this like it's fact. Can you please point me to the article or interview or whatever in which she said this? If this is true, I'd like to read whatever you read to see it for myself.

//But his face is on the front page of the book. She and her mom are using a trademark symbol to promote the book but it is not about him. Are some of you for real with this B.S

Sheila E is using the trademarked symbol to promote herself.

joytotheworld said:

I have no idea why she allowed it nor do I care. It is history.

This.

In hindsight, it is always easy to judge a situation and speculate on people's motives. But that's not how a story unfolds. Nobody knew what was gonna happen, life's a development. Not even Prince knew what would happen. These were two people who enjoyed each other's company and went from there, each sure having their own dreams and versions in mind. It's co-creating, people drift towards each other for a reason. She was not the only young girl he attracted. People needing to judge always tells more about their own filters and stories.

benni said:

See, I can't see all of these past associates doing tributes as them just trying to keep Prince's memory alive. Every one of these artists have been trying to make a name for themselves since they've been with Prince, trying to capture the fame and glory that Prince had or that they experienced while they were Prince. They have all tried to have solo careers with varying degrees of success, or lack of success. Now that Prince is gone, suddenly they are all touring again, making money from these tours, or from his image or symbol. These aren't tributes at all. These are struggling artists, realizing Prince's fan base will support them and attend their gigs because they were associated with Prince, performing Prince's songs, touring and making money OFF their association with Prince. IF they had not been associated with Prince, do you think they would even get half of the attendance at these gigs that they do? If these were true tributes, instead of pocketing all the money they make from these tours they would be donating at least some of the profits to charitites that Prince might have supported or any charity (knowing his sense of philanthropy) to continue his legacy in that way. But they aren't. The proceeds from these concerts go in their pockets. And they will continue to do these concerts for as long as the Prince fans decide to support them because of their association with Prince.

Exactly, sadly they are all using his death to revive their careers.

Lovejunky said:

I really dont know why you people are so worried and concerned.

Prince was not like any other Human being we have known in our lifetimes.

The Guy had superpowers...Lets face it.....

sooner or later these are the things that will remain in the forefront on peoples minds..

Prince was SPECIAL...no disrespect, he cant be likened to MJ or WHitney

He wont be tarnished too much by whatever the Media or anyone says.

He is just THAT Shiny.....

This quote made my day.

I kind of accepted that these former lovers, ex-wives, band membrs can do what they want to do.

After one year, or two years what is Mayte going to do? Keep talking about a story that we already know? Let Mayte put it all out there if that what brings her healing.

Prince's legacy will outlast all the short term fame and money that comes with book deals and the such. To a certain extent, I feel there is a lot we still dont know about what drove him internally and how he felt and made him think. He dealt with the death of his son the best way he knew how, and I always felt that cuz I always viewed him as a human being. I still feel her describing the look on his face when he first saw the baby was a little too delicate to reveal. not sure why she felt the world needed to know that, but it is what it is. She was there and its out there. Yet still, there is so much more that I dont know about him and he is still a complex, genius that will be studied for generations to come.

Prince was human and he was special. Even the haters could not walk away from him and you know who you are.

[Edited 3/19/17 10:14am]

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

So when you say that "Many people said he was not a serious person and he liked to have fun." I agree with that statement generally speaking, but not specifically in the context of this discussion because there is nothing fun about losing a child. Also, people often times use humor/fun things as an escape from reality. I'm not going to go into the dynamics of Prince's humor and having fun; that is a topic for another discussion.

--

As for Mayte, I totally agree that she likely suffered from post-partum depression because (a) she had just given birth and (b) most importantly, her child died. It wouldn't surprise me if her son's death continues to haunt her and cause her pain. She said that she hasn't gotten over it still.

--

My own grandmother had Borderline Personality Disorder. And the fact that she was raped, got pregnant, and then lost that child due to prematurity was probably a big reason for her developing BPD. She never had any other biological children. She had a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy and in the 1950s, the way to save the woman's life was to tie her tubes. She and my grandfather adopted my mother. She still carried around the Social Security/ID card for her biological child, Margaret, in her wallet when she was in her 80s.

--

If I had to go through what my grandmother went through or what Mayte went through, I would probably be pretty f***ed up, too.

--

And no, I don't bring up sad things just for grins and giggles. I bring them up because I want to know WHY. WHY did Prince die the way that he did? WHY did he die face down in the elevator at Paisley Park due to a drug overdose? WHY was he wearing clothes backwards/inside out at the time that he died? WHY did this man whose music touched my life die that way? WHY was he using painkillers? WHY didn't he seek help? Right now, there are a lot of unanswered questions. I know that I am not alone in how I feel. I am human. I have a need for things to make sense. And right now, there is a lack of information, so his death doesn't make sense to me. So I have to make sense of it myself.

--

So here is how I make sense of his death. It is common for people to use painkillers to dull their pain and to fill a void, this is common knowledge. Prince was sick. He had physical pain from years of touring. He also dealt with a lot of trauma and personal tragedies, in other words, emotional pain. Based on what I know about his death, the pain he experienced, and from my own background knowledge/experience (e.g. my grandmother's experience), I can infer that he was using painkillers to dull his physical and emotional pain. Prince did not have a history of using drugs recreationally. I believe that he was using painkillers because he was sick and was self-medicating.

--

WHY was he sick? What was causing his pain? Well, some of this is unanswered. But here's the conclusion that I have drawn based on the information that I have: He had physical pain, but more importantly, he was heartbroken. Based on what I know about Prince, as well as my own experience, I believe that the #1 reason he was heartbroken was the death of his son.

--

The clues are obvious. (1) We know that Amiir's death was so difficult that Mayte says it was the biggest factor in he and Mayte divorcing. I have to take Mayte at her word that the loss of their son devastated their marriage because she was there. It also makes sense because everyone knows that losing a child is about the worst thing that can happen to anyone. (2) His son's death was so difficult that he basically refused to acknowledge that it happened publicly. And then on top of his son's death, (3) he and Mayte had another miscarriage and (4) never had any children. (5) Prince never had any other children who lived, to our knowledge. (6) Prince wanted children, badly. The beautiful song "Let's Have a Baby" makes it clear that he wanted children. He says in interviews, including on the Oprah show in 1996, that he really wanted children. He put Amiir's heartbeat on "Sex in the Summer." He had a playroom built at Paisley Park. (And he wrote the song Future Baby Mama in 2007. Do we know for sure that the song is about himself? No, but it at least suggests that he still was interested in having a child.)

--

Some believe that Prince came to terms with the death of his son. I'm not sure that he did. Prince didn't exactly have the best coping mechanisms. He tried to control everything and he worked constantly. He was a flawed human being like the rest of us. He also sings in the song "Comeback":

If U ever lose someone
Dear 2 U
Never say the words their gone
They'll come back, yeah.

--

Well, did Amiir ever come back? No. Did Prince ever have other children? No. Maybe "comeback" is metaphorical?

--

Then there's the song "Until U're in My Arms Again," which many believe is about his son's death. I believe that it is. It makes sense that it is. And what does he say in the first 2 lines of the song:

All of my life, I’ve never wanted anyone like I wanted U
Every night, I said a prayer to God and his angels

(With this excerpt from Mayte's book, now this second line of the song makes more sense because she says in the excerpt that after she went to the hospital with bleeding, she and Prince prayed every night for their baby.)

The chorus of the song says:

Until U're in my arms again

I know this pain will never end
This broken heart will never mend
Until U’re in my arms again

--

Prince says pretty clearly how he felt in his own songs. He was heartbroken over his son's death.

--

I also know a couple of people who have lost children, one of my grandmothers and a close family friend whose 3rd son died of SIDS about 25 years ago. And based on knowing these people, the loss of a child doesn't go away, it stays with you. And I know personally that when you want children and can't have them, that the desire does not just go away. It doesn't go away until it has been satisfied. What I'm about to say is not easy to disclose publicly, but I know that the desire to have a child/children doesn't go away because my own husband and I are dealing with infertility/sub-fertility right now and it is painful. It is beyond difficult to have doctors tell you that the only fertility treatment that is feasible right now is in vitro fertilization. (By the way, I'm only 30 years old and my husband is 36.) And we have a cat, Shy, whom we love dearly. I call her "my baby" and "my child," and I mean that sincerely, but she does not take the place of having our own human child.

--

So, no, I don't bring up sad things for grins and giggles. I bring them up because in the absence of ANSWERS to WHY Prince died in the way in which he died, I have to put together the pieces of the puzzle. Mayte sharing her story helps to fill in the pieces of the puzzle for me.

--/I am sorry for the things that happened in your family however one can heal with time over any tradegy. I believe Prince was deeply hurt by what happened but he a pattern of pushing forward by throwing himself into his work. Parents died still working. Child dies still working, relationships going bad still working, money troubles still working and I am sure whatever else he had going on. I will not go into having his parents throw him into the streets. I believe he had issues as many people do that have a hard scrable upbringing but I do not believe he dealt with it by being a recreational drug user. You have at least a half a dozen people telling you he had pain. He even mentions surgery in the 2010 Ebony magazine interview. He told Kevin Smith that his knee was frozen and he could not get up. Eric Leeds said he saw him getting shots in knees when they were on the One Night Alone tour. I do not see his issues as any different than professional atheletes they have injuries and they keep playing.

I'm not sure if your statement that "I do not believe he dealt with it by being a recreational drug user" in in response to what I said. But just for clarification, this is what I said about Prince's drug use: "Prince did not have a history of using drugs recreationally. I believe that he was using painkillers because he was sick and was self-medicating." In other words, I agree with you that he was not a recreational drug user. I totally agree about the physical pain, there is a lot of evidence that he had physical pain. I like your example of athletes having injuries and playing through pain...Prince did the same thing.

--

I think where we disagree is on the issue of emotional pain. He kept working, for sure. Music was not only his work, but his escape. But then why was he in denial about his failing health? Why didn't he seek out help? Why didn't he do what was necessary for self-preservation? The manner in which he died was not consistent with who he was; it was so un-Prince-like. He was meticulous about his appearance, yet he died with his clothes on backwards and his socks inside out.

The JW's are the most dangerous cult ever.

2freaky4church1 said:

The JW's are the most dangerous cult ever.

No.

The Ayn Rand Cult is more dangerous.

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

She and Andre have in the business for years now. No one can be that naive after being in the business for so long. She knows full well that certain statements are going to catch fire and be twisted and turned for whatever reason. She was with Prince in 90s and saw that the media don't play if the have negative information to play with.

Then so did Andre.

Exactly.

A few thoughts to throw into the bucket:

1) I believe that Mayte knows what's to come from this whether it's derision, scorn, name-calling or whatever. She chose to do it for reasons that she may or may not share. Still, it's her right to do it and it's ours to purchase it (or not), to read it (or not). I feel like it comes down to that. Buy it or not. Read it (and magazine excerpts) or not.

2) None of us has been married to Prince nor went through that entire ordeal with him. She did. And he was human and had plenty of his own demons. Choices made in the throes of grief and despair are often choices none of us would make in more rational times. Still, they were made. (Oprah, etc.)

3) Not one single thing you could tell me about Prince (that's accurate and sourced) could change my mind about how I feel about him and what he brought to my life. What Mayte chooses to do and say does not have any bearing on that feeling. Period. And my judgements about what she should or shouldn't do have no bearing on her right to do them. Period.

I cannot imagine having gone through what she did with losing the baby (2 of them) and then a separation from someone she apparently loved very much on top of it. I only wish her well and I hope the book brings closure to this chapter for her.

joytotheworld said:

Burying one's self in work/sex/alcohol/shopping, etc. is also a form of denial to keep the pain/addiction/loss/loneliness or whatever the demons may be away. I think both Mayte and Prince over time achieved a level of acceptance or learned to live with it obviously concerning Ahmir's death, but that is something one never gets over. If you watch the YT video, link provided by rap in an earlier post, Prince uses a lot of riddled talk to answer Bryant Gumbel's question about the baby; Mayte is silent. Their pain is visible.

[Edited 3/19/17 8:38am]

I agree with everything that you have said. Prince's answer to Bryant Gumble's question is incredibly awkward and circuitous, to say the least. Mayte looks like she's about to burst into tears.

rednblue said:

benni said:

Everyone deals with things in their own way. I don't think Michelle was saying that Prince was a recreational drug user. Or at least I didn't see that in her post. I see her saying, however, that she believed Prince never fully got over the loss of his child. There are many people that lose a child that never fully heal from that. But we all deal with our grief and pain in our own way. Prince's way was to bury himself in work, as evidenced by your statements.

Agree with this, benni, and if the bolded line is a characterization of Michelle's post, I saw the opposite. Michelle's post says: "Prince did not have a history of using drugs recreationally. I believe that he was using painkillers because he was sick and was self-medicating."

Thank you benni and rednblue. You understood what I said. Prince was not a recreational drug user, he used painkillers because he was sick and was self-medicating.

muleFunk said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The JW's are the most dangerous cult ever.

No.

The Ayn Rand Cult is more dangerous.

to the bolded statement. Now back to the topic of conversation.

[Edited 3/19/17 11:29am]

MysticalChick said:

A few thoughts to throw into the bucket:

1) I believe that Mayte knows what's to come from this whether it's derision, scorn, name-calling or whatever. She chose to do it for reasons that she may or may not share. Still, it's her right to do it and it's ours to purchase it (or not), to read it (or not). I feel like it comes down to that. Buy it or not. Read it (and magazine excerpts) or not.

2) None of us has been married to Prince nor went through that entire ordeal with him. She did. And he was human and had plenty of his own demons. Choices made in the throes of grief and despair are often choices none of us would make in more rational times. Still, they were made. (Oprah, etc.)

3) Not one single thing you could tell me about Prince (that's accurate and sourced) could change my mind about how I feel about him and what he brought to my life. What Mayte chooses to do and say does not have any bearing on that feeling. Period. And my judgements about what she should or shouldn't do have no bearing on her right to do them. Period.

I cannot imagine having gone through what she did with losing the baby (2 of them) and then a separation from someone she apparently loved very much on top of it. I only wish her well and I hope the book brings closure to this chapter for her.

MysticalChick, You wrote your thoughts beautifully. I 100% agree.

I was so glad they changed the subject at the end of that interview. To Gumbel's credit, he didn't press it and he helped both of them move on to something much lighter. Prince and Mayte both looked miserable up to that point.

I think Mayte and Prince were both genuinely relieved to get to tease Gumbel. Maybe that is why Prince reappeared on the Today show wearing Bryant Gumbel's 'clothes'.

So odd how one of Prince's funniest moments followed one of the most awkward and uncomfortable ones ever.

I really do think they both trying to show a unified front so that the press wouldn't push speculations and prying. Gumbel got it out of way and moved on. Gumbel gets a bad rap, but he handled himself well here.

206Michelle said:

joytotheworld said:

Burying one's self in work/sex/alcohol/shopping, etc. is also a form of denial to keep the pain/addiction/loss/loneliness or whatever the demons may be away. I think both Mayte and Prince over time achieved a level of acceptance or learned to live with it obviously concerning Ahmir's death, but that is something one never gets over. If you watch the YT video, link provided by rap in an earlier post, Prince uses a lot of riddled talk to answer Bryant Gumbel's question about the baby; Mayte is silent. Their pain is visible.

[Edited 3/19/17 8:38am]

I agree with everything that you have said. Prince's answer to Bryant Gumble's question is incredibly awkward and circuitous, to say the least. Mayte looks like she's about to burst into tears.

moonsister said:

Product Details Hardcover: 304 pages Publisher: Hachette Books (April 4, 2017) Language: English ISBN-10: 0316468975 ISBN-13: 978-0316468978 Product Dimensions: 6.5 x 1.1 x 9.2 inches Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds (View shipping rates and policies) Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #128 in Books (See Top 100 in Books) #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Biographies > Rock #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Musical Genres > Rock #9 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs > Arts & Literature Wow her book is selling well. I am looking forward to reading it.

I am not suprised and its once again it is a situation of loudest minority haters (aka unpaid promoters) vs silent majority supporting (who some sympathized with Mayte due to the vocal backlash and are secretly buying the book).

At the end of the day, Prince's legacy is going to continue to be intact.

[Edited 3/19/17 11:51am]

2freaky4church1 said:

The JW's are the most dangerous cult ever.

Not ISIS? Not the hippyish JeZus Hawaii cult on CNN this week? Not the Aghori cannibalism cult?

Not the Branch Davidians. Nor the Heaven's Gate cult. Or even the mighty cult of Jim Jones?

Anyway back to Mayte Garcia and her wonderful book. Mayte rocks

moonsister said:

Product Details Hardcover: 304 pages Publisher: Hachette Books (April 4, 2017) Language: English ISBN-10: 0316468975 ISBN-13: 978-0316468978 Product Dimensions: 6.5 x 1.1 x 9.2 inches Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds (View shipping rates and policies) Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #128 in Books (See Top 100 in Books) #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Biographies > Rock #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Musical Genres > Rock #9 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs > Arts & Literature Wow her book is selling well. I am looking forward to reading it.

Me too. We'll all have to have a book club.

ladygirl99 said:

moonsister said:

Product Details Hardcover: 304 pages Publisher: Hachette Books (April 4, 2017) Language: English ISBN-10: 0316468975 ISBN-13: 978-0316468978 Product Dimensions: 6.5 x 1.1 x 9.2 inches Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds (View shipping rates and policies) Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #128 in Books (See Top 100 in Books) #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Biographies > Rock #1 in Books > Arts & Photography > Music > Musical Genres > Rock #9 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs > Arts & Literature Wow her book is selling well. I am looking forward to reading it.

I am not suprised and its once again it is a situation of loudest minority haters (aka unpaid promoters) vs silent majority supporting (who some sympathized with Mayte due to the vocal backlash and are secretly buying the book).

At the end of the day, Prince's legacy is going to continue to be intact.

[Edited 3/19/17 11:51am]

to the last sentence.