Mumio said:

DD55 said:

As for her and others deleting the work they did for P on their linkedin, I wonder if it’s simply because they have been bombarded with emails asking questions. Just a theory. Peace.

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone is placing much value on the information being changed on these accounts, they can say whatever they want...or not. I'd also wondered if people were bugging them because we know some people don't know how to stay in their lanes

People could have been bugging them but saying you quit working for him when their is documentation that is stating otherwise is a whole different situation.

I would imagine somewhere there could be documents showing Pheadra and Mrs. Trotter signatures for work done after 2015. I know there was an interview with the Real Estate agent he sold the PR house to Prince were she states she worked with Pheadra on the transaction that would have been in 2016 and the house belongs to NPG LLC.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone is placing much value on the information being changed on these accounts, they can say whatever they want...or not. I'd also wondered if people were bugging them because we know some people don't know how to stay in their lanes

People could have been bugging them but saying you quit working for him when their is documentation that is stating otherwise is a whole different situation.

I would imagine somewhere there could be documents showing Pheadra and Mrs. Trotter signatures for work done after 2015. I know there was an interview with the Real Estate agent he sold the PR house to Prince were she states she worked with Pheadra on the transaction that would have been in 2016 and the house belongs to NPG LLC.

Thanks Laura. I don't dispute they changed any of it but regardless of what LinkedIn does or doesn't show, there are court papers that say differently, at least for Phaedra's work with P, not sure about Trotter. I just don't see a LinkedIn account as a reliable information source and take nothing done on those accounts as written in stone.

We dont know if there truly was a POA signed by P.

This was never mentioned by Tidal in the Probate documents.

It was mentioned in a short news article that quoted Tidal from the

federal copyright case.

No one has seen this purported document and right now it is

only hearsay from a news article.

Tidal is trying to construe evidence in their favor. It may very

well be they are trying to say the Equity Term Sheet that was

not signed by P (but signed by someone else) contained

within it a POA.

It could be Tidal is saying by signing the Equity Term Sheet

P gave Tidal POA over streaming rights and albums.

[Edited 4/10/17 10:06am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We dont know if there truly was a POA signed by P.

This was never mentioned by Tidal in the Probate documents.

It was mentioned in a short news article that quoted Tidal from the

federal copyright case.

No one has seen this purported document and right now it is

only hearsay from a news article.

Tidal is trying to construe evidence in their favor. It may very

well be they are trying to say the Equity Term Sheet that was

not signed by P (but signed by someone else) contained

within it a POA.

It could be Tidal is saying by signing the Equity Term Sheet

P gave Tidal POA over streaming rights and albums.

[Edited 4/10/17 10:06am]

I do not think Tidal is saying that P gave them POA for streaming rights. That makes no sense.

I thought the article said that Tidal did not believe they needed his signature on the Equity agreement because someone else has POA to sign on his behalf.

I find it hard to belive that Tidal would give Prince 3 million and equity in the company if they were not sure it was okay for someone else to sign on his behalf.

I do not think this case would even be this far if they have not shown proof of payment and no one is going to pay someone that kind of money and they are not sure they have the rights to stream the music. I also think if we can take what unknown sources have to say about drugs seriously we can take what unknown sources have to say in this case seriously.

Prince talked and promoted Tidal continuoulsy from the very beginning. I do not think for one minute he did want the music on the site and did not get paid for it.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

tmo1965 said:

Prince had earned himself a reputation as a dirty old man by going after teenage girls when he was in his 30's. Mayte was only 16 when he saw fit to keep in contact with her. When she was legal, he took her virginity. He waited until Anna Garcia was legal before he slept with her. Both of his wives were 15 yrs and 18 yrs his junior respectively. He continued to associate with 20-something year olds right up until the day he died. So yes, he fits my definition of a DIRTY OLD MAN!

Just going to point out something here because double standards don't work for me: ALL of these women returned the attention. Every last one of them. ALL went to be with him, I'm gonna be bold and say they were eager to do so and did not hide that from anyone, did they? And not one of them had an issue with how much older he was than they were. So what exactly does that make them? Young women willing to go with an older, wealthy, famous man? Please find an equally descriptive term and let us know. I don't have an issue with what anyone's actions were in these scenarios.

[Edited 4/7/17 18:47pm]

Exactly, Mumio. All of these much younger women where saddened when he died. Mayte. Manuela. Damaris Lewis. Judith Hill. Andy Allo. Janelle Monae. Every single one of these women who has spoken publicly about his death has expressed sadness over his death and reflected on the time that she spent with him positively. They all loved him/had love for him.

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:

Oh my goodness. You tryin' to give folks heart attacks around here.

see tmo1965

a Dirty Old man means something completely different...

A Dirty old Man dreams of getting young girls...He doest have young girls throwing themselves at him

a Dirty old man is Leery and Gross....nothing SEXY about him...

Prince on the other hand...forget his age ....was sexy as EFF ,and in a very unique position in that all his wealth fame and power didnt turn him lecherous creep ...THESE girls all wanted to bathe in his light...

Nothing Dirty about that...

Now had Prince been an ugly toad who used his fame and money to manipulate these girls it would have been different...but he wasnt...

Find me one quote from,just one young woman out of all the supposed 100,s hes been with who feels hardly done, by...who feels Grossed out by their encounters, who feels that he used them, who feels regretful of the encounter...???

You cant take Prince out of the picture and compare him to any ordinairy old man...

he was NOT ordinairy...

He had some kind of Charisma that the world doesnt get to see very often..

Most people it seems were rendered speechless around him..Grown men turned to Fools..

and Girls were turned into
Well...I believe the word "Puddles"has been used once or twice

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anangellooksdown said:

rogifan said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

It's all about the $$

Of course it is. Very few people do this for fun.

morningsong said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

anangellooksdown said:

rogifan said:

In order to generate cash, those people overseeing the estate plunged into moneymaking ventures. I truly believe they should have stepped back for a year on anything to do with PP and unreleased work product. Coordinate existing contracts, stop removing videos, photos, etc., from the internet - get the music out there - let people hear and see his brilliance. If Prince had a grave, he'd be spinning in it right about now. JMO

1Sasha said:

In order to generate cash, those people overseeing the estate plunged into moneymaking ventures. I truly believe they should have stepped back for a year on anything to do with PP and unreleased work product. Coordinate existing contracts, stop removing videos, photos, etc., from the internet - get the music out there - let people hear and see his brilliance. If Prince had a grave, he'd be spinning in it right about now. JMO

Thats it...the be all and end all..

Let the world hear and see him...the rest will take care of itself...

1Sasha said:

anangellooksdown said:

1Sasha said:

In order to generate cash, those people overseeing the estate plunged into moneymaking ventures. I truly believe they should have stepped back for a year on anything to do with PP and unreleased work product. Coordinate existing contracts, stop removing videos, photos, etc., from the internet - get the music out there - let people hear and see his brilliance. If Prince had a grave, he'd be spinning in it right about now. JMO

Putting the horse before the cart is always a good idea. Instead of forcing the horse to push. Wise thinking Sasha & LJ.

Hopefully when the heirs are determined and the tax bill is resolved, things will align better.

I believe that Prince's control on his work was also a dertriment to his accessibility to the masses. The heirs wil have to learn from that. There is a balance of both. I get the vibe the siblings (as a whole) want that, it is just getting past the legalities and resolving the estate (lack of will).

nelcp777 said:

anangellooksdown said:

1Sasha said: Putting the horse before the cart is always a good idea. Instead of forcing the horse to push. Wise thinking Sasha & LJ.

Hopefully when the heirs are determined and the tax bill is resolved, things will align better.

I believe that Prince's control on his work was also a dertriment to his accessibility to the masses. The heirs wil have to learn from that. There is a balance of both. I get the vibe the siblings (as a whole) want that, it is just getting past the legalities and resolving the estate (lack of will).

He music was off platform services for what a year and a half. Come on. The masses could purchase his music anytime they wanted to the masses just do not want to buy music.

It is also WB that let some of the CDs go out of print althought the music division has been sold twice so I am sure that caused plenty of confusion.

The estate managers should have taken their time putting these deals together. So far we have take notices but no work product and rampant copyright abuses of his likeness with no end in site.

He had problems with UMG before and I am beggining to see the reason he did not want to do business with them anymore.

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Hopefully when the heirs are determined and the tax bill is resolved, things will align better.

I believe that Prince's control on his work was also a dertriment to his accessibility to the masses. The heirs wil have to learn from that. There is a balance of both. I get the vibe the siblings (as a whole) want that, it is just getting past the legalities and resolving the estate (lack of will).

He music was off platform services for what a year and a half. Come on. The masses could purchase his music anytime they wanted to the masses just do not want to buy music.

It is also WB that let some of the CDs go out of print althought the music division has been sold twice so I am sure that caused plenty of confusion.

The estate managers should have taken their time putting these deals together. So far we have take notices but no work product and rampant copyright abuses of his likeness with no end in site.

He had problems with UMG before and I am beggining to see the reason he did not want to do business with them anymore.

Laura,

You have great points and strong arguements. However, the Legacy has a strike against it now. Prince can no longer tour to offset lost revenue by not having his music available to the masses. In addition, there is no longer any contributions being made to the Vault. The Heirs are now tasked with reaching a new (and complete) generation and generations to come to continue to sell and market Prince's work.

UMG is not the first entity to work with Prince and stop. He has a history of that. But I agree, there is a reason the relationship was ended. Same as WB. But we know that Prince re-nogotiated his contract with WB. The terms are unclear, with the general idea (thanks to your research) that he had his masters. The Vault may be a seperate issue on ownership.

The out of print CDs may be due to the new contract. Since the terms of the contract are not known, pure speculation.

I think the manager should have taken their time, but unfortunately, time was not on the Estate's side. They needed to secure some funds for the tax liability. It seems PP is doing well and was put in the hands of an experienced company.

The music end, well, that is such a complex monster in my opinion. Time will tell.

Looks like Cousin's claim was dismissed.

morningsong said:

Looks like Cousin's claim was dismissed.

Cousins is a

nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

He music was off platform services for what a year and a half. Come on. The masses could purchase his music anytime they wanted to the masses just do not want to buy music.

It is also WB that let some of the CDs go out of print althought the music division has been sold twice so I am sure that caused plenty of confusion.

The estate managers should have taken their time putting these deals together. So far we have take notices but no work product and rampant copyright abuses of his likeness with no end in site.

He had problems with UMG before and I am beggining to see the reason he did not want to do business with them anymore.

Laura,

You have great points and strong arguements. However, the Legacy has a strike against it now. Prince can no longer tour to offset lost revenue by not having his music available to the masses. In addition, there is no longer any contributions being made to the Vault. The Heirs are now tasked with reaching a new (and complete) generation and generations to come to continue to sell and market Prince's work.

UMG is not the first entity to work with Prince and stop. He has a history of that. But I agree, there is a reason the relationship was ended. Same as WB. But we know that Prince re-nogotiated his contract with WB. The terms are unclear, with the general idea (thanks to your research) that he had his masters. The Vault may be a seperate issue on ownership.

The out of print CDs may be due to the new contract. Since the terms of the contract are not known, pure speculation.

I think the manager should have taken their time, but unfortunately, time was not on the Estate's side. They needed to secure some funds for the tax liability. It seems PP is doing well and was put in the hands of an experienced company.

The music end, well, that is such a complex monster in my opinion. Time will tell.

Unfortunatly, time is a wasting and time is money. If they do not start getting this Vault material out nexr year I think the interest in it will have dwidled. Anyone can download video and audio from YOUTUBE for free. Why not have a pay channel or at least a channel with some ads on it to bring in revenue. We know the estate is allowed to make deals while the probate is going on and UMG does have the rights to everything even the WB material once the WB contract ends in 2018. Not sure why UMG does not work to get some of the material post WB out this year. Where is the merchandise? Why is Prince face plasterd on Coloring books and mugs without one cent going to the estate?

Is UMG involved with the activities next week at Paisley Park? There are many ways to make money for taxes other then sticking songs most of us already have on streaming platforms to make a few pennies.

We also do not need Broadway shows like Koppleman wants to do.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

morningsong said:

Looks like Cousin's claim was dismissed.

Cousins is a

Now if they can get the church thing resolved as quickly they might be getting something done.

LR, you have made some valid points. It is like the blind leading the blind. Unfortunately, because Prince did not make provisions for his demise - he really didn't, no matter what people say about the work he did with Phaedra - others have had to determine what he actually had and they still don't know even nearly one year later. The tributes are over. I, for one, think the April "celebration" is ridiculous - celebrating his death date? Really? And everyone climbing on board to make money this month of all months. Don't start me on this. I belong to some Facebook groups that are thrilled to be celebrating next week. I cannot understand them.

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1, I'm with you.

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1, I'm with you.

Me too.