Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

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May I ask why?

Does it have anything to do with the incident where a neighbor reported Gates trying to break into a home...that was Gates' own home? That all led to the "beer at the White House" with Obama.

I'd have been PO'd, too, if I was accused of breaking into my own, long-term home by a neighbor who didn't trust my race.

Gates seems like an honest, rational, fair and educated man to me.

Bennett, on the other hand, is a hero to the extremist right-wing (the very people who distrust the black race). That's the very antithesis of what P always wrote about ("I wish there was no black or white", no labels, love for all).
I think P was absolutely brilliant but often did not employ needed skeptitism. This is somewhat common in those without higher educations. Especially those who are always right about everything LOL (like me).

IMO, of course.

Writings from Bennett's "fans" at Lew Rockwell, aiming to destroy voting rights, civil rights laws, EEOC, etc.

http://archive.lewrockwel...zo139.html

https://www.lewrockwell.c...-together/

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Gates was caught trying to suppress the dna/family tree search of one of the celebs,forget which one, he agreed to suppress the fact that one of the stars predecessors was a slave owner. Gates can't be trusted with moves like that. I'm sure he's done other things too, people that weak have a pattern.

That was Ben Affleck, PeteSilas. Thanks for the reminder!! I had forgotten about that.

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I am not doubting that Bennett is a smart writer and serious thinker, and is probably well-intentioned..considering Lincoln has at times gotten way too much credit. . And I am no expert on Lincoln. However, I have read 3 books on Lincoln, several articles about his colonization attempts, some of his original letters and speeches and the entire Abraham Lincoln historical cooperative (which a huge site with experts with extremely different views on Lincoln--some hagiographic, some neutral, some smear campaigns). I had a weird Lincoln obsession prior to the Lincoln film. Reading thoroughly about Lincoln was an emotional roller coaster (filled with disappointment, sadness and even at times appreciation)

Now, not all historians are writing hagiographic books about Lincoln. Many of them call him to task about his racism and slowness where abolitionism is concerned (Gates and Eric Foner included). Bennett's depiction of Lincoln however is considered one-dimensional and inaccurate. You don't have to be a road scholar to read a Lincoln letter in Lincoln's own handwriting in which Lincoln states implicitly that he disliked the xenophobic political movement known as the KnowNothings. (he had worked with them briefly because they supported the free soil movement, but he grew tired of their BS and expressed his dislike twice in private letters). Lincoln's two letters to different folks regarding the KnowNOthings (which can be seen in his own handwriting on the internet) both reveal a well-expressed dislike of the movement. Bennett pulled a quote from one of those letters and then left one word out (which in turn implied that Lincoln supported those folks.) There are articles showing both the letter and Bennet's depiction of that letter. What he did was dishonest. He could have made a case against Lincoln's legacy without lying. I read a pretty thorough dissection of that book years ago. It used archival letters and facts to do so. Revisionist history can be just as full of crap as mainstream lazy hagiographic history. Bennett's other books sound more grounded than this one was.

FlyOnTheWall said:

laytonian said:

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May I ask why?

Does it have anything to do with the incident where a neighbor reported Gates trying to break into a home...that was Gates' own home? That all led to the "beer at the White House" with Obama.

I'd have been PO'd, too, if I was accused of breaking into my own, long-term home by a neighbor who didn't trust my race.

Gates seems like an honest, rational, fair and educated man to me.

Bennett, on the other hand, is a hero to the extremist right-wing (the very people who distrust the black race). That's the very antithesis of what P always wrote about ("I wish there was no black or white", no labels, love for all).
I think P was absolutely brilliant but often did not employ needed skeptitism. This is somewhat common in those without higher educations. Especially those who are always right about everything LOL (like me).

IMO, of course.

Writings from Bennett's "fans" at Lew Rockwell, aiming to destroy voting rights, civil rights laws, EEOC, etc.

http://archive.lewrockwel...zo139.html

https://www.lewrockwell.c...-together/

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[Edited 2/22/17 9:31am]

Bennett is loved and respected by many, so I'm not surprised that some in the right-wing might have appreciation for his work. With regard to Henry Louis Gates, many consider him a sellout apologist. He is safe, which is why he is the very well-compensated darling of the academic left and the media.

Bennett, on the other hand, is considered more of an African-centered thinker. It's no wonder so many "respected historians" were so critical of his brutally honest examination of the life of the beloved Abraham Lincoln.

I first came to know and love Mr. Bennett during his tenure as a writer and editor at Johnson Publishing's Jet and Ebony magazines. Also, his book Before the Mayflower: A History of Black America, 1619–1962 (1962) has been adopted at colleges and universities around the world.

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purplerabbithole said:

I am not doubting that Bennett is a smart writer and serious thinker, and is probably well-intentioned..considering Lincoln has at times gotten way too much credit. . And I am no expert on Lincoln. However, I have read 3 books on Lincoln, several articles about his colonization attempts, some of his original letters and speeches and the entire Abraham Lincoln historical cooperative (which a huge site with experts with extremely different views on Lincoln--some hagiographic, some neutral, some smear campaigns). I had a weird Lincoln obsession prior to the Lincoln film. Reading thoroughly about Lincoln was an emotional roller coaster (filled with disappointment, sadness and even at times appreciation)

Now, not all historians are writing hagiographic books about Lincoln. Many of them call him to task about his racism and slowness where abolitionism is concerned (Gates and Eric Foner included). Bennett's depiction of Lincoln however is considered one-dimensional and inaccurate. You don't have to be a road scholar to read a Lincoln letter in Lincoln's own handwriting in which Lincoln states implicitly that he disliked the xenophobic political movement known as the KnowNothings. (he had worked with them briefly because they supported the free soil movement, but he grew tired of their BS and expressed his dislike twice in private letters). Lincoln's two letters to different folks regarding the KnowNOthings (which can be seen in his own handwriting on the internet) both reveal a well-expressed dislike of the movement. Bennett pulled a quote from one of those letters and then left one word out (which in turn implied that Lincoln supported those folks.) There are articles showing both the letter and Bennet's depiction of that letter. What he did was dishonest. He could have made a case against Lincoln's legacy without lying. I read a pretty thorough dissection of that book years ago. It used archival letters and facts to do so. Revisionist history can be just as full of crap as mainstream lazy hagiographic history. Bennett's other books sound more grounded than this one was.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Bennett is loved and respected by many, so I'm not surprised that some in the right-wing might have appreciation for his work. With regard to Henry Louis Gates, many consider him a sellout apologist. He is safe, which is why he is the very well-compensated darling of the academic left and the media.

Bennett, on the other hand, is considered more of an African-centered thinker. It's no wonder so many "respected historians" were so critical of his brutally honest examination of the life of the beloved Abraham Lincoln.

I first came to know and love Mr. Bennett during his tenure as a writer and editor at Johnson Publishing's Jet and Ebony magazines. Also, his book Before the Mayflower: A History of Black America, 1619–1962 (1962) has been adopted at colleges and universities around the world.

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Thanks, purplerabbithole. Do you happen to have a link to the article(s)?

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I own 7 different versions of the Bible .

Do I live my life as an aspirant, as a person who attemtping to constantly improve and perfect themselves ~Yes I do

Would I declare myself a CHristian ? ~No

What about you Laura...are you a Christian ?

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Yes, as Chrsitian who has been sick and in pain. It can test your faith more so than everyday hurdles. I always thought Prince was a Christian who struggled with his faith even to the point of trying to keep the things he liked ( charity, love, and forgiveness but also trying bring in things that are anti-Christian. He was going to have the best of the secular and spiritual together at the same time. All this means to me is that he was questioning all the time. [Edited 2/22/17 16:06pm]

and thats not a Good thing ?

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said: Yes, as Chrsitian who has been sick and in pain. It can test your faith more so than everyday hurdles. I always thought Prince was a Christian who struggled with his faith even to the point of trying to keep the things he liked ( charity, love, and forgiveness but also trying bring in things that are anti-Christian. He was going to have the best of the secular and spiritual together at the same time. All this means to me is that he was questioning all the time. [Edited 2/22/17 16:06pm]

and thats not a Good thing ?

Imo, Prince was a very intelligent man, thus he was a seeker, continually searching and questioning things.

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said: Yes, as Chrsitian who has been sick and in pain. It can test your faith more so than everyday hurdles. I always thought Prince was a Christian who struggled with his faith even to the point of trying to keep the things he liked ( charity, love, and forgiveness but also trying bring in things that are anti-Christian. He was going to have the best of the secular and spiritual together at the same time. All this means to me is that he was questioning all the time. [Edited 2/22/17 16:06pm]

and thats not a Good thing ?

It is a good thing but I do not think it was something recent. I is also possible to be a Christian with an open mind. Not all Christians are even evangelical.

Simbobby said:

laurarichardson said:

--It is said to be left just had he had it.

So they say. The rolling suitcase at the end of his desk struck me as odd. Like Prince rolled his own suitcase OR would allow his "boys" to leave it out of place. But what do I know? Sorry - I digress.

Why would they stage his office? Maybe it was easier to keep a suitcase ready for travel in his office than to have it upstairs in his living quarters. He did travel a lot and he did pare down his staff.

laurarichardson said:

Simbobby said:

laurarichardson said: So they say. The rolling suitcase at the end of his desk struck me as odd. Like Prince rolled his own suitcase OR would allow his "boys" to leave it out of place. But what do I know? Sorry - I digress.

Why would they stage his office? Maybe it was easier to keep a suitcase ready for travel in his office than to have it upstairs in his living quarters. He did travel a lot and he did pare down his staff.

lol come on, Laura's right on this one. Who says Prince wouldn't have a suitcase in his office? As a petsitter who occasionally does overnights at people's houses, I have to tell you that suitcases can be found in offices all the time. Or in the living room. Or many other places.

I mean, /really/. Why would they stage THAT, of all things?

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

donnyenglish said:

The Greatest Story Never Told The Quickening The Secrets of All Ages Forced Into Glory All of these can explain some of the inspirations behind some of his music. Are there any others at Paisley that I am missing?

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Could you please help me identifying these books? Do you perhaps have a photo?
Searches on Amazon result in many different books with the same titles.

Thanks.

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, as Chrsitian who has been sick and in pain. It can test your faith more so than everyday hurdles. I always thought Prince was a Christian who struggled with his faith even to the point of trying to keep the things he liked ( charity, love, and forgiveness but also trying bring in things that are anti-Christian. He was going to have the best of the secular and spiritual together at the same time. All this means to me is that he was questioning all the time. [Edited 2/22/17 16:06pm]

I hope you are feeling okay today and that you will find a resolution to this pain 💜

I still have stomach issues but not anywhere near with what I was dealing with before but pain can test you.

KaresB said:

They say that the office and the video editng room were left as Prince left them. But when I visited in Oct. the staff talked about moving things out of the closets in each room, things like toasters and mini frigs.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Lovejunky said:

The signs are all there...These things were not accidental....

Prince was very deliberate about everything in his life...

laytonian said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That was Ben Affleck, PeteSilas. Thanks for the reminder!! I had forgotten about that.

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. Affleck put the producers and Gates on the spot. Do you think Prince didn't want certain things about his life "suppressed"? Do you seriously believe Oprah didn't know that P's child had died? She and they obviously worked out how things would be asked and answered. She never asked, on camera, the obvious question "can we see your baby?" It would be interesting to find out how many right-wing guests on Gates' show wanted things to be edited. Gates and Affleck were exposed by Putin's buddy Assange/wikileaks. . [Edited 2/25/17 13:43pm]

gates' show wasn't suppossed to be a celeb thing but part science too. people always (falsely) claim that science is objective Gates just shot his credibility with that in my mind. I already don't believe, and most americans don't either, in the infallibility of science. I've also seen some pretty compelling evidence that dna tests do not and cannot get all your info. I also did not like how Gates seemed eager to tell black celebs, tina turner, morgan freeman and I forget who else, that they were not part Native American, mainly because he was trying to prove that most black people's claims of being part indian aren't true. How would you know if the tests are so innaccurate?

anyway, as a scientist, the correct way to handle that maybe would have been to just not do a show on him rather than conceal or lie. I wouldn't put that anywhere near comparing oprah's interview, or barbara walters or whoever with interviewing celebrities where you know, if you got half a brain that it's just mostly showbiz anyway.

tish9311 said:

donnyenglish said:

I flipped through the Secrets of All Ages and there are lots of interesting things in there. Definitely explains a lot of his fascination with letters and numbers. I'm in the camp of fans that think that Prince has lots of hidden messages for his fans that were meant to be discovered for many years after his death. Perhaps some of the keys to cracking the code are in this book.

Yes. He says look and you will find the TRUTH. It is there and he is waiting for us to find it. The superficial ones are finding the 'low-hanging fruit' and show pride in their find. The attuned ones search, discern and learn. Peace.

Lovejunky said:

donnyenglish said:

All of these can explain some of the inspirations behind some of his music. Are there any others at Paisley that I am missing?

I find this List so VERY Intrigiung

Our Prince was a SEEKER and without a doubt, extremely open minded

The Secrets for all ages is

Proof enough for me that Prince had moved beyond the confines of organised Religious Dogma

The Lotus Flower, the Third EYE, He was giving Namaste bows in the last few years...and The Healing Chakra Art behind his Piano and Microphone Shows,

All clear indications that Prince transcended as a MYSTIC

Yes this! Peace.

I saved three of these books to my Amazon wish list. I went ahead and ordered "The Quickening" right away because there were only 2 copies left in stock!

anangellooksdown said:

donnyenglish said:

anangellooksdown said:

I also believe that Prince was on the path of Mysticism, while still making use of his religious principles. Mystics are very highly-attuned to God and at a higher level of spirituality. It takes a lot of time and study to reach such a level of growth. He had the potential all along, being very sensitive and intuitive. His talent was truly only ONE thing he was given, and not the most important, but ultimately it has attracted us to what his wider message was.

Let's just say it. Prince was a prophet. Period.

Yes, he is/was a most highly spiritual one, if not an ascetic when he left this planet. And indeed he was a messenger while he was with us.

donnyenglish said:

anangellooksdown said:

I also believe that Prince was on the path of Mysticism, while still making use of his religious principles. Mystics are very highly-attuned to God and at a higher level of spirituality. It takes a lot of time and study to reach such a level of growth. He had the potential all along, being very sensitive and intuitive. His talent was truly only ONE thing he was given, and not the most important, but ultimately it has attracted us to what his wider message was.

Let's just say it. Prince was a prophet. Period.

Im Totally OK with that !

so i guess "the secrets of all ages" is actually "the secret teachings of all ages" ??