Poorlovelycomputer said:

Condition of the heart actually started the story of UTCM. And for prince to record all four tracks all the way without stopping shows his genius.the deleted scenes would have helped the movie out more.and bringing in the revolution would have only made it a purple rain 2. [Edited 2/12/17 19:51pm]

I disagree having the band in would make it Purple Rain 2. It would be how it is delivered.
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I mean Christopher & Tricky are PR 2 ie Morris Day & Jerome... I mean UTCM would have been a perfect movie for the Time...

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But I don't mean in having the same dynamic and interaction with the band as in Purple Rain.

A 'band of musicians/artists' Sheila E Jill Jones the Revolution the Family, but not using the 'band name' I mean more in a 'background scene' sense. Christopher was a paid musician/pianist for the club Venus de Milo. Remember the scene where he and Mary Sharon dance? Having the band playing at the club Alexis de Paris. Having the Family doing High Fashion @ Mary's party, having Christopher and his band playing the first night of the birthday as the hired band for the night etc.
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I don't mean having the bands in the movie the same way as in Purple Rain(which in that way they were the star/the feature/the focus). In UTCM having/seeing the bands playing the music in the scene/not be the scene. Also the Girls & Boys video would have been a perfect addition to the movie.
Christopher and his band of artists taking over the high society party and taking them uptown...

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UTCM & Parade were so different from Purple Rain that I don't think it could ever be PR 2

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In Purple Rain 11 songs were actually performed: Let's Go Crazy, Jungle Love, Modernaire, the Beautiful Ones, Computer Blue, Darling Nikki, Sex Shooter, the Bird, Purple Rain, IWD4U & Baby I'm A Star...
In UTCM, maybe 5 at the max, and not centered, in the way in PR. Christopher and a few string instrument musicians playing An Honest man(like in the beginning @ Venus de Milo. @ Mary Sharons Night/Day Birthday: New Position, High Fashion, Mia Bocca, @ Venus de Melio:Alexis de Paris, @ the High Society party: Girls & Boys, (have Sheila E and band doing Merci4theSpeedofAMadClownInSummer, in the spot where they ran from the bats)

maybe 1 other song

databank said:

Zannaloaf said:

rob1965 said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said: Well put. Agreed 100%. And although P's versions of the Family-album's tracks are superior to their original, I'd still say that an album like Parade deserves its genius because it is what it is. Good example is the comparison between Charade and Parade: the 1st one is a very strong album, the 2nd one is a genius album. And the difference between those two is far less than the suggested tracklist above. I do like that tracklist, but not as a replacement for or a completion of the already existing Parade album.

disagree that Princes versions were better. I appreciate he worte them - his voice did not work as well for them IMO.

It's hard to compare because

1/ we don't have them in pristine quality

2/ the instrumental tracks are not completely finished and/or don't have the orchestra

3/ they were intended from day 1 to be sang by paul so Prince recorded his vocals with that in mind, in a similar way one can assume most Time songs were recorded with the Jaimie Starr voice because they were intended for Morris.

In general I find a lot of people give too much importance to vocals, wishing Prince would sing the songs without realizing the finished work of art, as in Prince's vision, is the songs as we have them, with someone else's vocals on them. It's a bit as if someone said "I wish I had The Rainbow Children with Prince on drums instead of John", only it wouldn't cross anyone's mind (and still the songs would sound quite different with P on drums). To me Prince's vocal guides are interesting documents, similarly to any other early/work in progress version of a track, but the one that truly can be consideed finished is the one that was released, regardless of who sings. The mere fact that Clare Fischer's orchestra is absent from P's versions of The Family would make a Prince version of the album totally inferior to the released one in my eyes.

HELL NO!!


Now, if you said Around The World In A Day ........


Hmmm......

databank said:

Zannaloaf said:

disagree that Princes versions were better. I appreciate he worte them - his voice did not work as well for them IMO.

It's hard to compare because

1/ we don't have them in pristine quality

2/ the instrumental tracks are not completely finished and/or don't have the orchestra

3/ they were intended from day 1 to be sang by paul so Prince recorded his vocals with that in mind, in a similar way one can assume most Time songs were recorded with the Jaimie Starr voice because they were intended for Morris.

In general I find a lot of people give too much importance to vocals, wishing Prince would sing the songs without realizing the finished work of art, as in Prince's vision, is the songs as we have them, with someone else's vocals on them. It's a bit as if someone said "I wish I had The Rainbow Children with Prince on drums instead of John", only it wouldn't cross anyone's mind (and still the songs would sound quite different with P on drums). To me Prince's vocal guides are interesting documents, similarly to any other early/work in progress version of a track, but the one that truly can be consideed finished is the one that was released, regardless of who sings. The mere fact that Clare Fischer's orchestra is absent from P's versions of The Family would make a Prince version of the album totally inferior to the released one in my eyes.

there r exc quality versions

databank said:

Zannaloaf said:

disagree that Princes versions were better. I appreciate he worte them - his voice did not work as well for them IMO.

It's hard to compare because

1/ we don't have them in pristine quality

2/ the instrumental tracks are not completely finished and/or don't have the orchestra

3/ they were intended from day 1 to be sang by paul so Prince recorded his vocals with that in mind, in a similar way one can assume most Time songs were recorded with the Jaimie Starr voice because they were intended for Morris.

In general I find a lot of people give too much importance to vocals, wishing Prince would sing the songs without realizing the finished work of art, as in Prince's vision, is the songs as we have them, with someone else's vocals on them. It's a bit as if someone said "I wish I had The Rainbow Children with Prince on drums instead of John", only it wouldn't cross anyone's mind (and still the songs would sound quite different with P on drums). To me Prince's vocal guides are interesting documents, similarly to any other early/work in progress version of a track, but the one that truly can be consideed finished is the one that was released, regardless of who sings. The mere fact that Clare Fischer's orchestra is absent from P's versions of The Family would make a Prince version of the album totally inferior to the released one in my eyes.

Well, Clare Fischer's arrangements are missing. But Prince is clearly a better and more interesting singer than St Paul and Susannah. Zannaloaf is just sticking up for the associate artists as usual. No surprise there.

Personally no. What makes Parade so cool and timeless is its divresity imo. Every song is so different than the next...but somehow all flows incredibly well.

I love The Family, and Prince's versions of course are better, but not as replacements to the tunes on Parade.

Also your playlist removes all the songs that segue into each other on side 1 of Parade, wtf that's one of the greatest things he ever did.

luvsexy4all said:

databank said:

It's hard to compare because

1/ we don't have them in pristine quality

2/ the instrumental tracks are not completely finished and/or don't have the orchestra

3/ they were intended from day 1 to be sang by paul so Prince recorded his vocals with that in mind, in a similar way one can assume most Time songs were recorded with the Jaimie Starr voice because they were intended for Morris.

In general I find a lot of people give too much importance to vocals, wishing Prince would sing the songs without realizing the finished work of art, as in Prince's vision, is the songs as we have them, with someone else's vocals on them. It's a bit as if someone said "I wish I had The Rainbow Children with Prince on drums instead of John", only it wouldn't cross anyone's mind (and still the songs would sound quite different with P on drums). To me Prince's vocal guides are interesting documents, similarly to any other early/work in progress version of a track, but the one that truly can be consideed finished is the one that was released, regardless of who sings. The mere fact that Clare Fischer's orchestra is absent from P's versions of The Family would make a Prince version of the album totally inferior to the released one in my eyes.

there r exc quality versions

yes but these are rehearsals i bleive - not studio tracks with P's vocal guideline,,, or are you saying excellent quality studio tracks with P's vocal have surfaced?

another reason it would not have been good is that we would have less songs to enjoy.

Now we have Parade and all the Bsides and full versions + the Family album and extended version of Screams of Passion

No.

The Family is the single best "side project" album Prince ever did. Why would anyone want to fuck with that?