paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

should be included with the Black album

It wouldn't fit musically on the black album.

that little bitty snippet is hard to tell. I mean it was made during the period a lot of those songs were being worked on SOTT/Black album feel
I think if it really is about certain pains and loss, I think Black album is perfect... B side

If ever there is a time in the near future where 'deluxe' editions of these albums are released, I'm shooting 4 the Black album.

Definately not on the Purple Rain deluxe

TrevorAyer said:

Cuz it leaked just recently when the 5 disk pr was announced and cuz pr is the only deluxe p agreed to .. implies deluxe is a one shot deal so maybe pack it with whatever u can ... plus CB was a chronological shit show so why should pr deluxe be any different? ... just a thought

This Purple Rain deluxe edition should be different because unlike Crystal Ball, Prince isn't compiling the tracklist.

SomeSoldier said:

Why do you think it might be in the PR reissue? It's not the right era... As I said before, I don't care how we get is, as long as we get it. But I'd prefer PR to focus on songs from 1983-84

I agree.

TrevorAyer said:

... plus CB was a chronological shit show so why should pr deluxe be any different?

Because PR is being put together by a completely different group of people ?!


I agree, the upcoming PR set should focus on stuff from the period of time around the original PR release.

Revolution81 said:

LittleProfessor said:

The horn part is from "We Can Funk" (recorded around 1982 for Dream Factory). He occasionally pulled horn parts from one song to another - or parts of them. I'd assume that's what he did here.

This is based on having heard the whole 7+-minute recording.

There's no need to assume, the facts are there on princevault: horn overdubs were done by Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss and were not pulled from we can funk, which also was never "recorded around 1982 for dream factory" If you're gonna be a bullshitter at least be good at it. Anyway...what have we learnt from this 15 secs? Billy sparks had the ugliest glasses Lisa Coleman had the strangest glasses Wally had the freakiest glasses Prince could rock any glasses and still look cool

So here's what I've got from my collection: There's a 5:30 long version of "We Can Funk" that I have labeled as allegedly "recorded in 1982 and reworked for the Dream Factory". Most of my annotations do come from PrinceVault, but apparently this one did not, and I've not gotten through to the Ws in my collection to cull duplicates and check notes yet. I currently have 13 versions of "We Can Funk", so some are probably boots that begin at a different point in the original recording. On a quick hearing, it could be a truncated version of "We Can Funk #2" off the Work It bootleg.

I wrote notes to myself to check the horn lick around 0:57 in the 5:30 version with a lick in a version of "Wally" that came across my desk unsolicited last fall, because I had suspicions that the "Wally" version might be a fake put together by a fan with good software.

So, no bullshit. Just far too much research to do alone, but no inclination to disseminate recordings of which I do not know the source, nor are mine to disseminate. (In other words, no I will not give anyone a copy, so please do not ask, not even by Org Note.)

I have begun posts to this thread many times and then deleted, both because I didn't want to deal with the "better fan than thou" type of response you have given, and because I am uncomfortable that someone leaked so publicly something that Prince obviously did not want heard.

LittleProfessor said:

Revolution81 said:

LittleProfessor said: There's no need to assume, the facts are there on princevault: horn overdubs were done by Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss and were not pulled from we can funk, which also was never "recorded around 1982 for dream factory" If you're gonna be a bullshitter at least be good at it. Anyway...what have we learnt from this 15 secs? Billy sparks had the ugliest glasses Lisa Coleman had the strangest glasses Wally had the freakiest glasses Prince could rock any glasses and still look cool

So here's what I've got from my collection: There's a 5:30 long version of "We Can Funk" that I have labeled as allegedly "recorded in 1982 and reworked for the Dream Factory". Most of my annotations do come from PrinceVault, but apparently this one did not, and I've not gotten through to the Ws in my collection to cull duplicates and check notes yet. I currently have 13 versions of "We Can Funk", so some are probably boots that begin at a different point in the original recording. On a quick hearing, it could be a truncated version of "We Can Funk #2" off the Work It bootleg.

I wrote notes to myself to check the horn lick around 0:57 in the 5:30 version with a lick in a version of "Wally" that came across my desk unsolicited last fall, because I had suspicions that the "Wally" version might be a fake put together by a fan with good software.

So, no bullshit. Just far too much research to do alone, but no inclination to disseminate recordings of which I do not know the source, nor are mine to disseminate. (In other words, no I will not give anyone a copy, so please do not ask, not even by Org Note.)

I have begun posts to this thread many times and then deleted, both because I didn't want to deal with the "better fan than thou" type of response you have given, and because I am uncomfortable that someone leaked so publicly something that Prince obviously did not want heard.

yeah right

so u got a seven minute version of Wally that you cant even tell if its fake or not, but u decided it has the horns lifted from another track that u are not sure of and don't know the story behind, and came on here stating it as fact anyway

D-, must try harder, professor bullshitter

TrevorAyer said:

Cuz it leaked just recently when the 5 disk pr was announced and cuz pr is the only deluxe p agreed to .. implies deluxe is a one shot deal so maybe pack it with whatever u can ... plus CB was a chronological shit show so why should pr deluxe be any different? ... just a thought

I think they have a few silver bullets up their sleeve with a catalogue such as Prince's, and that's an understatement.

They're simply not going to waste ammo, they want to sell records over the years.

CB was intended to be a sample of the vault. Now it's a different story, you have a storytelling, and enough material to propose a cohesive box. I doubt they're going to mix and match, it makes no sense for both artistic direction and marketing.

Revolution81 said:

LittleProfessor said:

So here's what I've got from my collection: There's a 5:30 long version of "We Can Funk" that I have labeled as allegedly "recorded in 1982 and reworked for the Dream Factory". Most of my annotations do come from PrinceVault, but apparently this one did not, and I've not gotten through to the Ws in my collection to cull duplicates and check notes yet. I currently have 13 versions of "We Can Funk", so some are probably boots that begin at a different point in the original recording. On a quick hearing, it could be a truncated version of "We Can Funk #2" off the Work It bootleg.

I wrote notes to myself to check the horn lick around 0:57 in the 5:30 version with a lick in a version of "Wally" that came across my desk unsolicited last fall, because I had suspicions that the "Wally" version might be a fake put together by a fan with good software.

So, no bullshit. Just far too much research to do alone, but no inclination to disseminate recordings of which I do not know the source, nor are mine to disseminate. (In other words, no I will not give anyone a copy, so please do not ask, not even by Org Note.)

I have begun posts to this thread many times and then deleted, both because I didn't want to deal with the "better fan than thou" type of response you have given, and because I am uncomfortable that someone leaked so publicly something that Prince obviously did not want heard.

yeah right

so u got a seven minute version of Wally that you cant even tell if its fake or not, but u decided it has the horns lifted from another track that u are not sure of and don't know the story behind, and came on here stating it as fact anyway

D-, must try harder, professor bullshitter

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Exactly. So many opportunists coming out and claiming they heard it, but can't say anything about it other than what's already been said.

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It's weird the way Little Professor and the other little liars have to make BS claims, just to try to elevate themselves in any way possible. Sad actually.

bonatoc said:

LittleProfessor said:

So here's what I've got from my collection: There's a 5:30 long version of "We Can Funk" that I have labeled as allegedly "recorded in 1982 and reworked for the Dream Factory". Most of my annotations do come from PrinceVault, but apparently this one did not, and I've not gotten through to the Ws in my collection to cull duplicates and check notes yet. I currently have 13 versions of "We Can Funk", so some are probably boots that begin at a different point in the original recording. On a quick hearing, it could be a truncated version of "We Can Funk #2" off the Work It bootleg.

I wrote notes to myself to check the horn lick around 0:57 in the 5:30 version with a lick in a version of "Wally" that came across my desk unsolicited last fall, because I had suspicions that the "Wally" version might be a fake put together by a fan with good software.

So, no bullshit. Just far too much research to do alone, but no inclination to disseminate recordings of which I do not know the source, nor are mine to disseminate. (In other words, no I will not give anyone a copy, so please do not ask, not even by Org Note.)

I have begun posts to this thread many times and then deleted, both because I didn't want to deal with the "better fan than thou" type of response you have given, and because I am uncomfortable that someone leaked so publicly something that Prince obviously did not want heard.

Here's what confuses me about this post, Little Professor--I have no idea what you have or don't have access to, and if you have a Wally of any sort (beyond the 15 second thing) you've got me beat (assuming it's not completely fake). You might have it, as far as I know. But I really don't understand why, if you feel the way you indicate at the end of the post, you would have it or the 13 We Can Funks you also mention. After all, there's no evidence he didn't want anyone to hear Wally at all ever (he did make a cassette of the original, apparently, and then re-record it and, as far as we know, he kept those recordings for possible future use in some way)--so that means it's pretty much equivalent to all those other things that many of us (including you, it seems) have been listening to for years that Prince "obviously did not want heard." He never made the choice to release all those hundreds of tracks for public consumption, and we only have them because of carelessness on his part and/or someone else pre-empting his choice as the creator of the work. If you really cared that much about what Prince wanted heard and what he didn't, you'd stick to the the released version of We Can Funk and have listened to Qui Can Luv only during limited times it was available for streaming, and you'd delete every single unreleased thing you have copies of, not just come on here and act like 15 seconds of Wally is a new and stunning evil of unspeakable magnitude. And, since Prince did nothing to actually put anyone in charge of his legacy (thus transferring the right to make those decisions), you'd also probably have to avoid any posthumous releases to avoid feeling "uncomfortable." Of course, you're not going to--or, maybe you will. I know I won't--but I decided a long time ago that my desires outweighed Prince's when it comes to my hearing his music, and any "uncomfortable" feelings that gave me were within acceptable limits. That might not be morally justifiable position--but it's the one I've taken. And, based on the fact that you have all those unreleased materials, it's the one you've taken, too. If the rest of Wally comes to me, I'll enjoy it--if you've got it, enjoy it. But your having it is just as "wrong" as somebody sharing it--and someone obviously did just that for you to have it in the first place.

this thread has now become so pretentious it needs to grow a beard and
start it's own website selling moustache pommade and soy frappochino's

injuredpinky said:

Revolution81 said:

yeah right

so u got a seven minute version of Wally that you cant even tell if its fake or not, but u decided it has the horns lifted from another track that u are not sure of and don't know the story behind, and came on here stating it as fact anyway

D-, must try harder, professor bullshitter

.

Exactly. So many opportunists coming out and claiming they heard it, but can't say anything about it other than what's already been said.

.

It's weird the way Little Professor and the other little liars have to make BS claims, just to try to elevate themselves in any way possible. Sad actually.

IstenSzek said:

Prince's strictness was a quality. It allowed him to keep a rightful control over his work.
But he also delivered live performances ("Superfunkycalifragisexy" during the Lovesexy aftershows) of songs, almost like Wally, not intended to be heard — You dont' crush that much vynil just for kicks.

I'm kinda sad to read some situations around "Wally", it seems to raise a lot of anger.
But I can surely understand this:

my desires outweighed Prince's when it comes to my hearing his music, and any "uncomfortable" feelings that gave me were within acceptable limits. That might not be morally justifiable position--but it's the one I've taken.

I know it can drive you nutz.
Let me share a dirty, shameful, pathetic secret.
I don't know what's the big lesson in it, but this is how far crazy I went
for a piece of Prince's repertoire only a handful of persons in the world had previously heard.


I went to a Prince Party held at a club in Paris, during the summer of '88, after the Parisian kickstart.
Around midnight comes these unheard, cosmic sounds from the speakers.
I talk to a guy.
He says he's the one who brought the most part of the bootleg tapes (this is pre-Black Album, first time I hear of this parallel world where Prince, as I suspected, records more — much more than he releases), and we get along, excited exciting talks, I drink, I check out the ladies, we all dance, in this small club, all dressed à la Lovesexy. A great night. I feel love — not with a girl or a boy but with the heavens above.

Then the guy leaves to talk with someone. I see a bunch of tapes on the couch.
It's dark. Spooky Electric takes control in an instant, and next thing I know I grab one of these K7s, get up, and go straight to the lil'Boys Room. There, I put the tape in my drawers, I kid you not.

The gents room is just next the exit, but instead of leaving the club right this instant,
I go all Electric Chair guilty and go back to the couch.
Spooky may have been defeated, but now I'm dead meat.

Guy comes back.
Guy notices the missing tape on the spot.
Guy goes scared/furious/panicked/mad.

The pressure goes up, me man, I don't know, I was there all the time, are you sure it's not fallen on the floor?
And then I kneel, pretending to look for it and the plastic angle of the K7 box hurts my nutz something good.
The show goes on crescendo for a few more minutes, until I just can't stand it anymore,
so I go to the bathroom, grab the tape, go back with the tape in my jeans pocket.
Then, when no one is looking, I stick it between two cushions of the couch.

Without even waiting a little — dumbass! — I go "did you think about removing the cushions?"
and so I proceed on removing the cushions, oh surprise, here's the tape.
Except they must have turned the cushions already, while I was castrating myself from Prince's jewels in the toilets in the hope it would save me from eternal damnation, because all of sudden everyone stares at me in disbelief, and pretty soon I have a crowd of disgusted/angry faces, all staring at me.
Baby I'm a Star.

Guy gives me a hard time.
Doesn't beat me (although at some point I have encouraged him to do so, that's how shitty I felt),
but I sure stand there and listen to him while he calls me names of all kinds,
and worse, calls me a thief and a liar. Traitor to the Lovesexy cause, that's all I can hear.
I keep telling him I'm sorry. I tell him I was sorry the moment I knew I could go out unnoticed.

Guy doesn't care. A kind soul proceeds in my favour,
I evidently went briefly nuts, and regret it on the spot.
But Guy brings me a harsh truth: if I would have asked him nicely,
he would have made me a copy. I'm just a fucking thief and I can get the fuck out of here.

Which I do, in the pale Paris dawn, crossing the River, thinking
how could I ever feel so low after chanting "Heaven — oh yes!"
just a few weeks before, in the grandest concert of them all.
A broken home doesn't help, but still. I turned my back on Prince,
not because a bootleg tape is important, but because he made a point on being honest and I failed one of his most precious life advices, one I tried to make mine because of the example he was giving me.
That's one of his gifts to me. The importance of being honest, true to yourself.


I dunno, but maybe this piece of dirty underwear
is a little like the violence I see in some replies.
It could have been avoided, but it was written.

[Edited 2/18/17 17:37pm]

I can't wait for it all come out officially. It's not far off now and when it does, I'm going to say I've had it since 2001, and I got it from D, who got it from F, who got it from T.

So just so you understand, I already have the whole vault, but I can't let down my sources, so you'll only get to hear what I've got when it comes out in better quality than I've been holding onto....I'm da man!

IstenSzek said:

this thread has now become so pretentious it needs to grow a beard and
start it's own website selling moustache pommade and soy frappochino's

LittleProfessor said:

... and because I am uncomfortable that someone leaked so publicly something that Prince obviously did not want heard.

You could argue that he didn't want us to hear ANY of the stuff relegated to the literal or figurative vault.

In the case of Wally, if he really wanted to be CERTAIN it would never be heard by anyone outside that room, He wouldn't have kept a copy before erasing the master. (Obviously I am assuming here that Susan is accurately describing what happened that night.)

Prince has nerver had the intention 2 destroy 4 ever this song....the proof ...a copy of full version is circulating amoung collectors so....i take with a grain of salf all the comments from SR...because the song is HERE....but alot SUR-produced ...far away from the basic melodic a lot less instrumented 1st version !

love2thenines2003 said:

Prince has nerver had the intention 2 destroy 4 ever this song....the proof ...a copy of full version is circulating amoung collectors so....i take with a grain of salf all the comments from SR...because the song is HERE....but alot SUR-produced ...far away from the basic melodic a lot less instrumented 1st version !

I'll believe it when I hear it!!

Maybe I'm just not awake yet but I don't know what u mean by "SUR-produced"?

CandaceS said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Prince has nerver had the intention 2 destroy 4 ever this song....the proof ...a copy of full version is circulating amoung collectors so....i take with a grain of salf all the comments from SR...because the song is HERE....but alot SUR-produced ...far away from the basic melodic a lot less instrumented 1st version !

I'll believe it when I hear it!!

Maybe I'm just not awake yet but I don't know what u mean by "SUR-produced"?

Oups Sorry...English is not my mother language...little mistake with my French > SUR-PRODUCED = OVER-PRODUCED !!

love2thenines2003 said:

iZsaZsa said:

love2thenines2003 said:

the basic melodic a lot less instrumented 1st version!

Prince put 24 tracks up that he put on record and erased. That's a lot.

So the version that is in circulation & the snippet on the web is the track whose SR has described ...this is only the Master that was destroyed by Prince...he made a K7 copy and this copy fell in the hands of collectors!?

what was so out-of-this-world about that snippet??

love2thenines2003 said:

iZsaZsa said:

love2thenines2003 said: Prince put 24 tracks up that he put on record and erased. That's a lot.

So the version that is in circulation & the snippet on the web is the track whose SR has described ...this is only the Master that was destroyed by Prince...he made a K7 copy and this copy fell in the hands of collectors!?

i thought the leaved version is the re recorded version not the original

love2thenines2003 said:

24 tracks can be filled up quite easily with not much going on - for example, one track used for kick, one used for snare and so on. Prince also heavily layered his BVs, so that would account for a lot of tracks too.

jjam said:

bigd74 said:

i thought the leaved version is the re recorded version not the original

That's what I'm trying to figure out! I'm not sure anyone here knows for sure if this leak is from the cassette, or a re-recording of the song done at some later time.