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Reply #60 posted 01/23/17 11:43am

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Iamtheorg said:

I bet we get the unreleased extended version of 17 DAYS

THAT would be wonderful

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Reply #61 posted 01/23/17 11:48am

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I'm certainly not looking for perfect, just tolerable. And it's not all the recordings so it throws a lot of the compilations off. I just find it odd that a monster label like WB wouldn't make sure that the sound quality would be top notch. At the end of the day, what really upsets me is that it really hurts P's chances of breaking into mainstream with vault tracks in an age where a certain sound quality is taken for granted by the average listener. I'll still enjoy them because he got a pass with me about 2 decades ago.

I beg to differ. Most modern recordings are so over-compressed and brickwalled, often sounding distorted.

It's worth remembering that Prince worked fast and wanted to get ideas down quickly, much like Todd Rundgren. Neither would win awards for extreme hi fidelity albums, but that's a huge part of their charm. Their stuff has vibe in abudance.

Plus, the albums sound great. The only one that's ever sounded lo-fi to me is Dirty Mind. And it was good enough for Warners to sanction its release.

I really had banked on the anniversary of his passing being the PR re-release date. Obviously, everything that will be on it was not OK'd by Prince before he died.

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Reply #62 posted 01/23/17 12:00pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Iamtheorg said:

I bet we get the unreleased extended version of 17 DAYS

THAT would be wonderful

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Reply #63 posted 01/23/17 12:03pm

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TraSoul82 said:

I'm certainly not looking for perfect, just tolerable. And it's not all the recordings so it throws a lot of the compilations off. I just find it odd that a monster label like WB wouldn't make sure that the sound quality would be top notch. At the end of the day, what really upsets me is that it really hurts P's chances of breaking into mainstream with vault tracks in an age where a certain sound quality is taken for granted by the average listener. I'll still enjoy them because he got a pass with me about 2 decades ago.

I think the average listener doesn't give a shit about sound quality because they listen only listen to music on their smartphones anyway.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #64 posted 01/23/17 1:13pm

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databank said:

Or could it be it's actually about cold hearted you not caring about poor Kooleaze.

-- Nah it is you.

I do not know why you dislike me.

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Reply #65 posted 01/23/17 2:25pm

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Reply #66 posted 01/23/17 5:36pm

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databank said:



laurarichardson said:


databank said:


Or could it be it's actually about cold hearted you not caring about poor Kooleaze.



-- Nah it is you.

I do not know why you dislike me.


-/I don't
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Reply #67 posted 01/23/17 6:48pm

luvsexy4all

cant they release SOMETHING while the PR deluxe is in the working stages???? theres plenty to offer

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Reply #68 posted 01/23/17 10:46pm

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databank said:

I do not know why you dislike me.

-/I don't

OK then. Cool.

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Reply #69 posted 01/23/17 11:22pm

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TraSoul82 said:

I'm certainly not looking for perfect, just tolerable. And it's not all the recordings so it throws a lot of the compilations off.

I just find it odd that a monster label like WB wouldn't make sure that the sound quality would be top notch.

At the end of the day, what really upsets me is that it really hurts P's chances of breaking into mainstream with vault tracks in an age where a certain sound quality is taken for granted by the average listener. I'll still enjoy them because he got a pass with me about 2 decades ago.

+1
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Reply #70 posted 01/23/17 11:38pm

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Breaking into the mainstream??

The market for this is oldsters and young fans interested in exploring his catalogue, it's not gonna have any hits. It had plenty back in 1984.

[Edited 1/23/17 23:38pm]

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Reply #71 posted 01/23/17 11:39pm

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luvsexy4all said:

cant they release SOMETHING while the PR deluxe is in the working stages???? theres plenty to offer


I've been saying the same thing. If for no other reason than they missed a huge oportunity to release something while interest in Prince was at a very high level. At this point interest has certainly waned quite a bit outside of his staunch fanbase. When sales don't perform as they obviously want and need them to, then what? Sometimes I fear his legacy will die when the money runs out which shouldn't be too much longer at the rate attorneys are draining his bank accounts. Back in June when I saw the list of attorney fees post April 21st my heart sank knowing there was no way the estate could make enough money to stay ahead of the legal costs associated with settling the estate. Much less having the funds to create/operate a robust, profitable, on-going Prince/Paisley Park-related business venture. I hope I'm wrong.
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Reply #72 posted 01/24/17 12:06am

jjam

I'm afraid that the main person we can blame for this mess re the Estate is Prince. It was always going to be like this without a will.

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Reply #73 posted 01/24/17 1:14am

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jjam said:

I'm afraid that the main person we can blame for this mess re the Estate is Prince. It was always going to be like this without a will.


--For this project blame Londell.
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Reply #74 posted 01/24/17 8:50am

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Phishanga said:



TraSoul82 said:


I'm certainly not looking for perfect, just tolerable. And it's not all the recordings so it throws a lot of the compilations off. I just find it odd that a monster label like WB wouldn't make sure that the sound quality would be top notch. At the end of the day, what really upsets me is that it really hurts P's chances of breaking into mainstream with vault tracks in an age where a certain sound quality is taken for granted by the average listener. I'll still enjoy them because he got a pass with me about 2 decades ago.



I think the average listener doesn't give a shit about sound quality because they listen only listen to music on their smartphones anyway.




When a say "a certain sound quality" it doesn't mean "the best sound quality." Engineers today mix with the end product in mind (mp3, channeled through earbuds). I challenge you to listen to a mix of damn near anything and then throw 1999 in there. It will sound "off."

On compilations specifically, you can feel the attempt to make everything sound like it was mixed in the same studio and the entire project suffers.

I should note that I'm a truck driver and I used to lug a CD book around to get the clearest music possible to cut through the ridiculous amount of noise the truck generates. Prince compilations struggled mightily compared to pretty much anything else. I'm guessing the issue is the source material.

Fixing a bad mix is fairly easy. Fixing a bad recording is nearly impossible.
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Reply #75 posted 01/24/17 9:52am

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I would love in addition to the general tracks,

and longer version of Computer Blue, the unedited version of Darling Nikki, (added the backwards spoken/sung part on the end)

Erotic City
17 Days (extended version)

Possessed
God the Love Theme / God the Dance Electric

Wednesday

the Fathers Song (piano interlude)

I think I'm missing some stuff...

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Reply #76 posted 01/24/17 10:35am

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is WB going into the vault to get the tracks or do they already have stuff ?

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Reply #77 posted 01/24/17 10:38am

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Why are some people so certain there is an extended version of "17 Days"?? I've heard a fan-made version of one but I've never heard of an official extended version of it. I'd be delighted if one was existing and was released but some people here just seems so certain that it exists.

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Reply #78 posted 01/24/17 10:56am

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jaawwnn said:

Breaking into the mainstream??

The market for this is oldsters and young fans interested in exploring his catalogue, it's not gonna have any hits. It had plenty back in 1984.

[Edited 1/23/17 23:38pm]



Remember back when Prince fans didn't care whether he was "mainstream"? Quite the opposite, in fact.
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Reply #79 posted 01/24/17 11:01am

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Genesia said:

jaawwnn said:

Breaking into the mainstream??

The market for this is oldsters and young fans interested in exploring his catalogue, it's not gonna have any hits. It had plenty back in 1984.

[Edited 1/23/17 23:38pm]

Remember back when Prince fans didn't care whether he was "mainstream"? Quite the opposite, in fact.

.

True.

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #80 posted 01/24/17 11:09am

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Why are some people so certain there is an extended version of "17 Days"?? I've heard a fan-made version of one but I've never heard of an official extended version of it. I'd be delighted if one was existing and was released but some people here just seems so certain that it exists.

I'm definately not sure. I've heard talk of it in different forums. I'm just being hopeful if there is one, we'll get it.

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Reply #81 posted 01/24/17 1:50pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

dannyd5050 said:

Why are some people so certain there is an extended version of "17 Days"?? I've heard a fan-made version of one but I've never heard of an official extended version of it. I'd be delighted if one was existing and was released but some people here just seems so certain that it exists.

I'm definately not sure. I've heard talk of it in different forums. I'm just being hopeful if there is one, we'll get it.

There's no mention of such a thing on Pvault, that only acknowleges the A6 version. However according to both Susan R and Jesse, most songs were originally longer -if only slightly- that what we ended-up hearing, something that many circlating outtakes confirm to some extent, so it's not unthinkable that a longer version exists. Now is it much longer (it would often be 2 minutes) or particularly interesting (the edited parts were often edited for a reason), if it does exist at all, IDK.

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Reply #82 posted 01/24/17 4:55pm

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cryingdoves said:

I do not understand how anyone can be excited to put more money into Warner's pockets?



...why not, exactly? His output belongs at WB over anywhere else, imo. I know some fans have a stick up their butts about WB but Prince was the problem in that situation most of the time.

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Reply #83 posted 01/24/17 5:23pm

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Giovanni777 said:

Genesia said:

jaawwnn said: Remember back when Prince fans didn't care whether he was "mainstream"? Quite the opposite, in fact.

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True.

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There was a time when we we proud to be rebels, when we fancied Prince having one foot in the mainstream only because he had another in the underground, when we were proud that his music was too sophisticated for the masses but not for us because we were sophisticated.

Then one day everyone on the org began to wish for Prince to become Britney Spears.

Sad.

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Reply #84 posted 01/25/17 4:30am

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jtfolden said:

cryingdoves said:

I do not understand how anyone can be excited to put more money into Warner's pockets?



...why not, exactly? His output belongs at WB over anywhere else, imo. I know some fans have a stick up their butts about WB but Prince was the problem in that situation most of the time.

No he was not. You should read George Clinton's autobiograpy he has some interesting things to say about WB and they way Prince was treated.

In the end he was right about a lot of things and I would not say that WB is setting the world on fire as a record company right now.

Prince had a lable in place. No reason the estate cannot find a company to partner with to put out music it does not have to be WB either. They has their time with Prince and blew it. Time to move on. They also did a horrible job marketing Prince Forever and AOA.

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Reply #85 posted 01/25/17 4:56am

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laurarichardson said:

jtfolden said:



...why not, exactly? His output belongs at WB over anywhere else, imo. I know some fans have a stick up their butts about WB but Prince was the problem in that situation most of the time.

No he was not. You should read George Clinton's autobiograpy he has some interesting things to say about WB and they way Prince was treated.

In the end he was right about a lot of things and I would not say that WB is setting the world on fire as a record company right now.

Prince had a lable in place. No reason the estate cannot find a company to partner with to put out music it does not have to be WB either. They has their time with Prince and blew it. Time to move on. They also did a horrible job marketing Prince Forever and AOA.

George talks about the Prince/WB situation in his book? eek

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Reply #86 posted 01/25/17 5:00am

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Oh...finally some official news on the PR Remaster! Thank Goodness! I'll rather they take their time an put out an amazing product, than put out some bullshit. I can't wait to listen to the extended "Hallways" version of Computer Blue then Darling Nikki in crystal clear new remastered HQ sound! I'm also hoping Clair Fisher is also involved with the remaster. Most of Prince's best work had her involvement in it!

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Reply #87 posted 01/25/17 5:13am

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Iamtheorg said:

I bet we get the unreleased extended version of 17 DAYS

That would be awesome! (truth be told, I never knew there was an extended version of that song!) lol

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Reply #88 posted 01/25/17 5:18am

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Scarfo said:

Oh...finally some official news on the PR Remaster! Thank Goodness! I'll rather they take their time an put out an amazing product, than put out some bullshit. I can't wait to listen to the extended "Hallways" version of Computer Blue then Darling Nikki in crystal clear new remastered HQ sound! I'm also hoping Clair Fisher is also involved with the remaster. Most of Prince's best work had her involvement in it!



Keen to hear these versions too but unfortunately Clare Fischer wont be de involved - he sadly passed in 2012
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Reply #89 posted 01/25/17 5:33am

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Scarfo said:

Oh...finally some official news on the PR Remaster! Thank Goodness! I'll rather they take their time an put out an amazing product, than put out some bullshit. I can't wait to listen to the extended "Hallways" version of Computer Blue then Darling Nikki in crystal clear new remastered HQ sound! I'm also hoping Clair Fisher is also involved with the remaster. Most of Prince's best work had her involvement in it!

Keen to hear these versions too but unfortunately Clare Fischer wont be de involved - he sadly passed in 2012

Oh damn, I didn't know of his passing. sad Thank you for informing me.

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