anangellooksdown said:

Superfan1984 said:

Mayte's friend who is on here (meltedman) said that Prince invited her to a show after the divorce.

R U sure about that? Exactly the way It was written? I'm just curious to know. [Edited 1/17/17 7:25am]

I don't have time to look through these threads but it was on one of those hot threads about her upcoming book and people were bitching that Prince didn't like her etc. and meltedman came to clear some things up saying that there were no hard feelings and that, in fact, Prince had invited her to that show but that his people were the ones telling her to pay. You can look it up to see exactly what he said about it but I remember him saying that.

Deepurple said:

You know the song "Find Another Love"? I know it was originally written & sung by someone else but P added to it & it sounds like he was talking about Manuela." You said I was what you wanted...Liar! You never wanted me that way...I was someone you flaunted..Hired, Fired U never had a plan to stay..I tried to b what you wanted...I'm tired,tired..The house we use to share is Haunted...Expired, Expired. U use to think I was so much fun, now I'm just the guilty one..Everthing we use to share our clothes and even our hair.Now all you see is what I did, How come I can't tell me that kid. Behind my back I'm just a so and so ( I think he must have been referring to Tamar going on tour with him) But she refused to travel with him. By this point I believe she was developing a relationship with Eric. In his song "Love" he talked about her "playing him" It makes me so sad for P because he really loved her and thought she would share his life and his faith with him but it seems she just used him. She has no idea what she did..She was in such a favored position and she could have been a true companion & helper to him. Together she and he could have helped so many people physically & spiritually. But she only thought about her candles & charity...sad

It was more than that.

She wanted the "Prince life" - but she also wanted something he (apparently) couldn't give her: a baby.

I really, truly think that was at the heart of all of it. Back in the NPGMC days, when she was starting her charity, there were things posted about it and she would say stuff like, "One day, my children will..." etc. etc. I'm sure there were other factors (it's never about just one thing), but the lack of children-bearing potential in that relationship had to have been pretty big.

She seems to have been strongly motivated to keep everything she had with Prince - and get what she didn't have with him subsequently. But you can't have it all.

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XxAxX said:

skilletnomicrowave said:

SpinsterSister said: THANK YOU!

this

Genesia said:

Deepurple said:

You know the song "Find Another Love"? I know it was originally written & sung by someone else but P added to it & it sounds like he was talking about Manuela." You said I was what you wanted...Liar! You never wanted me that way...I was someone you flaunted..Hired, Fired U never had a plan to stay..I tried to b what you wanted...I'm tired,tired..The house we use to share is Haunted...Expired, Expired. U use to think I was so much fun, now I'm just the guilty one..Everthing we use to share our clothes and even our hair.Now all you see is what I did, How come I can't tell me that kid. Behind my back I'm just a so and so ( I think he must have been referring to Tamar going on tour with him) But she refused to travel with him. By this point I believe she was developing a relationship with Eric. In his song "Love" he talked about her "playing him" It makes me so sad for P because he really loved her and thought she would share his life and his faith with him but it seems she just used him. She has no idea what she did..She was in such a favored position and she could have been a true companion & helper to him. Together she and he could have helped so many people physically & spiritually. But she only thought about her candles & charity...sad

It was more than that.

She wanted the "Prince life" - but she also wanted something he (apparently) couldn't give her: a baby.

I really, truly think that was at the heart of all of it. Back in the NPGMC days, when she was starting her charity, there were things posted about it and she would say stuff like, "One day, my children will..." etc. etc. I'm sure there were other factors (it's never about just one thing), but the lack of children-bearing potential in that relationship had to have been pretty big.

She seems to have been strongly motivated to keep everything she had with Prince - and get what she didn't have with him subsequently. But you can't have it all.

[Edited 1/17/17 9:05am]

The fact that Manuela had two children in her subsequent marriage seems to confirm that...

purplethunder3121 said:

Genesia said:

It was more than that.

She wanted the "Prince life" - but she also wanted something he (apparently) couldn't give her: a baby.

I really, truly think that was at the heart of all of it. Back in the NPGMC days, when she was starting her charity, there were things posted about it and she would say stuff like, "One day, my children will..." etc. etc. I'm sure there were other factors (it's never about just one thing), but the lack of children-bearing potential in that relationship had to have been pretty big.

She seems to have been strongly motivated to keep everything she had with Prince - and get what she didn't have with him subsequently. But you can't have it all.

[Edited 1/17/17 9:05am]

The fact that Manuela had two children in her subsequent marriage seems to confirm that...

And she got out while she was still young enough to make it happen.

I hear you!

LBrent said:

anangellooksdown said:

What I've seen is that she wanted to go to one of his shows in 2011 and he said yes but that she would have to pay for either her ticket or VIP access (I'm not sure which, or both, could've just been for VIP access). I always felt that he was either: 1) wanting to see if she could humble herself enough to be one of many rather than seek special attention; or 2) didn't really want her there for some reason. My thinking is that #1 was more the case. I believe than that her error was in the way she handled it, which was instead of just maturely saying "Sure. Of course I'll pay," she made the error of taking it personally and being hurt/offended and then her pride came in with some anger and a sense of entitlement and she posted on he FB page telling people what Prince wanted and then asking people what she should do. Of course this started a sh-storm of backlash against Prince and it is that precise behavior that I think ruined any chance of them getting close again. Dr Funkenberry tells it in much the same way. Like Dr F, I believe they both could've used some ego deflation but at that time they weren't mature enough yet. I think later on Prince felt for her and I definitely know that now he is truly sorry for any hurt he caused her. Edit: I've got some catching up on reading to do over the last two pages here. If I got anything wrong I'll edit it 🙂 [Edited 1/17/17 6:41am]

Couldn't have caught me out there like that cuz I'd have assumed I'd pay and had the money in hand.

Let him say Nah, that's ok. No embarrassment then.

That's when you're being a grownup.

JMHO

Exactly - It's on her for assuming - after being divorced for some years - to expect comp'd VIP tickets?! That takes some nerve! Quite immature for her to go on FB and ask people what she should do... when she was not entitled to free tickets in the first place...? Just makes her look like a petty child. That's upsetting that that behaviour caused backlash to Prince though when he wasn't in the wrong to say no

ForeverPaisley said:

Genesia said:

paisleypearl said:

ForeverPaisley said:

Exactly - It's on her for assuming - after being divorced for some years - to expect comp'd VIP tickets?! That takes some nerve! Quite immature for her to go on FB and ask people what she should do... when she was not entitled to free tickets in the first place...? Just makes her look like a petty child. That's upsetting that that behaviour caused backlash to Prince though when he wasn't in the wrong to say no

Could be she thought tickets were the least he could do since she had hit the road quietly, didn't make a stink about Manuela, went along with the fiction that was their baby story, and DID WHATEVER HE TOLD HER TO while married, maybe a concert ticket wasn't too much to ask.

Mebbe.

But that's not how my mind works . My ex...I wouldn't expect anything for any reason. That way I wouldn't play myself and get embarrassed by being denied.

An ex is an ex for a reason. Expecting an ex to do whatever gets you played, even if you play them nobody really wins either.

Seems to me that if she'd gone expecting to pay, money in hand, P saying whatever wouldn't have mattered.

Just saying.

LBrent said:

paisleypearl said:

paisleypearl said:

LBrent said:

Mebbe.

But that's not how my mind works . My ex...I wouldn't expect anything for any reason. That way I wouldn't play myself and get embarrassed by being denied.

An ex is an ex for a reason. Expecting an ex to do whatever gets you played, even if you play them nobody really wins either.

Seems to me that if she'd gone expecting to pay, money in hand, P saying whatever wouldn't have mattered.

Just saying.

Comparing anyone's ex to Prince is a bit of a stretch, no? But carry on with the fun filled massacre.

I guess you're right cuz I don't expect anything from my ex and I don't get played by him.

MG did expect something from P, got denied and embarrassed.

Mebbe if she'd walked in not expecting anything, P might've looked at her with respect and invited to VIP on her own.

What is the scoop regarding the protective order?

paisleypearl said:

Will somebody smart please find out what she pays herself and others (Omar)? Nvm I found it. [Edited 1/16/17 13:55pm]

whaddya find out? any info yet?

iciala397 said:

paisleypearl said:

ForeverPaisley said:

Exactly - It's on her for assuming - after being divorced for some years - to expect comp'd VIP tickets?! That takes some nerve! Quite immature for her to go on FB and ask people what she should do... when she was not entitled to free tickets in the first place...? Just makes her look like a petty child. That's upsetting that that behaviour caused backlash to Prince though when he wasn't in the wrong to say no

Could be she thought tickets were the least he could do since she had hit the road quietly, didn't make a stink about Manuela, went along with the fiction that was their baby story, and DID WHATEVER HE TOLD HER TO while married, maybe a concert ticket wasn't too much to ask.

With regards to the above situation with MG.. Dave who is MGs friend and does frequesnt this Forum and I beleive at one stage did work for Prince said that what happened was P was um let just say... "seeing" a assistant or manager at this time and she did not want MG anywhere near Prince and apparernlty MG was cut of at the pass without even speaking to Prince. there is a Thread I have read on here where Dave explained this.

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fanoftheman said:

paisleypearl said:

ForeverPaisley said: Could be she thought tickets were the least he could do since she had hit the road quietly, didn't make a stink about Manuela, went along with the fiction that was their baby story, and DID WHATEVER HE TOLD HER TO while married, maybe a concert ticket wasn't too much to ask.

With regards to the above situation with MG.. Dave who is MGs friend and does frequesnt this Forum and I beleive at one stage did work for Prince said that what happened was P was um let just say... "seeing" a assistant or manager at this time and she did not want MG anywhere near Prince and apparernlty MG was cut of at the pass without even speaking to Prince. there is a Thread I have read on here where Dave explained this.

[Edited 1/17/17 19:04pm]

I don't doubt that any because MT was the asst. she sure got her claws into him.

PennyPurple said:

fanoftheman said:

With regards to the above situation with MG.. Dave who is MGs friend and does frequesnt this Forum and I beleive at one stage did work for Prince said that what happened was P was um let just say... "seeing" a assistant or manager at this time and she did not want MG anywhere near Prince and apparernlty MG was cut of at the pass without even speaking to Prince. there is a Thread I have read on here where Dave explained this.

[Edited 1/17/17 19:04pm]

I don't doubt that any because MT was the asst. she sure got her claws into him.

this was after prince's divorce from MT. this was circa 06-07 i think.

PennyPurple said:

fanoftheman said:

With regards to the above situation with MG.. Dave who is MGs friend and does frequesnt this Forum and I beleive at one stage did work for Prince said that what happened was P was um let just say... "seeing" a assistant or manager at this time and she did not want MG anywhere near Prince and apparernlty MG was cut of at the pass without even speaking to Prince. there is a Thread I have read on here where Dave explained this.

[Edited 1/17/17 19:04pm]

I don't doubt that any because MT was the asst. she sure got her claws into him.

I think all that happened post-Manuela's marriage to Prince. Mayte was trying to connect with Prince after his second divorce...but they never did at least publicly. Then, MT and MG became...friends.

okay hold a bit. How do we know she even knew he did that to her stuff. It could have been after they split up. Plus, Prince doesn't have a history of destroying his girlfriend's stuff so maybe he had a reason.

Maybe she should have expected a free ticket. I don't know. It would have looked better on his part. And I know she suffered.

But are you guys under the impression that she got nothing from Prince at all? How about a bit of fame, a 2 million dollar house, her foot in the Hollywood door--ie Tommy Lee and 2 reality shows (which by the way is hard to come by), nice clothes/jewerly for a significant portion of her post-adolescent youth, recordings for her to establish her name written and produced by Prince, credit for directing videos, a superstar husband who claimed to be writing love songs specifically about her, the instant euphoria of having thousands of people cheering while you dance (and probably without having to work as hard as his other musicians. She probably worked hard, but come on, no one works as hard as P and his musicians). She could have left Prince at any time. She wasn't a prisoner. Was she innocent and naive? To some extent--probably. But she still had free will and was an adult once they got married. And she was young enough to run back to her parents to get away from him. How do we know her parents at the time didn't want her to stay with P. After all, her mother was the one who pushed her toward him in the first place.

Mayte and Prince both lost a son. They both kept it secret. I think it is offensive to act like Mayte was some kind of woman-child. Prince might have thought of her that way but he shouldn't have. She told him what he wanted to hear, went along with his eccentricities, because she wanted that life and she wanted to be with him for better or for worse. Plus, no one who approaches a superstar to be a bellydancer for him is completely lacking in self esteem. However, no matter how old Prince was, he was just as ill-prepared for the loss of a child as she was. He, like Morris Hayes stated, was used to working hard and then getting mostly what he wanted as a result. This senseless tragedy shook him to the core, making him embrace strict religious doctrine and a spiritual father figure like Larry Graham...*by the way, I like how Graham downplayed his influence on P but it was HIS yard in which P burnt Mayte's things...Hmmm? Maybe Prince started feeling used and duped by Mayte and her family (her mom etc.)

Both didn't know how to cope. I am not trying to belittle what she went through -- especially since she carried the child (which, let's be honest, is a deeper bond than a father has at that point) but let's not act as if he had it simple. Just because she couldn't tell the press about her lost child and had to put on a brave face didn't mean she didn't have friends and family she could have confided in. Her husband may have let her down in helping her through it, but if he didn't know how to cope properly, how was he going to help her? And maybe his approach seemed to work for her at the time as well---the shared delusion that the baby's soul would be reincarnated in another infant may have been a temporary comfort for both of them that is until they miscarried the second child.. and the delusion was shattered. The funny thing is that the interview with Bryant Gumbel in which P and MT played down the loss. He seemed just as ill at ease (more so in some ways because he did the talking)than she did. Prince was a workaholic who got four hours of sleep every night, who was constant stress and who worked his body on stage until it was sore. He may have had enablers, money and fame, but it didn't make his life easy or simple or lacking in struggle and pain. If her life was so bad with Prince, why did she seem to not want to let it go.

Devil's advocate a bit... his comment about nail polish and hair dye might be unfair to her. But we don't know how he phrased it to her personally. Also, since everyone believes he basically dressed her and told her what to wear, wouldnt he have to blame himself for the nail polish and hair dye? Was he a control freak who told her what to wear or a disinterested partner who let her pick her own style but then later blamed her for picking nail polish and hair dye? Or was it just him attempting to find a reason the tragedy happened?

Defending P a bit too much here I know. But unless he used threats of physical violence or recrimination,she could have left whenever she wanted and her family, if they were so concerned, should have pushed her to do so long before Prince pushed her away himself.

Mayte is probably not a bad person and she did suffer. But her life had some high points that not many people get to experience. I think even she would admit that. She has handled herself well up to this point (better than many would) but maybe that also reflects her being grateful for the things she did get from Prince when they were together. As for the cheating with Manuela stuff, well if Dave is an accurate source then he did betray her. But maybe he was just a coward or maybe there is more to it than that. I

NotACleverName said:

paisleypearl said:

Could be she thought tickets were the least he could do since she had hit the road quietly, didn't make a stink about Manuela, went along with the fiction that was their baby story, and DID WHATEVER HE TOLD HER TO while married, maybe a concert ticket wasn't too much to ask.

Cosign paisleypearl! And apparently suffered the indignity of having her personal items burned up in Larry's backyard! So, I agree, a concert pass, with or without VIP access, was not an unreasonable request. However, I will concede that perhaps the mere sight of Mayte conjured up unimaginable grief that Prince had not yet, or was perhaps unprepared, to deal with. Easier to upset her knowing she would stay away than comp a ticket and have to face her. Just a theory....who really knows, right?

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iciala397 said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't doubt that any because MT was the asst. she sure got her claws into him.

this was after prince's divorce from MT. this was circa 06-07 i think.

'May 2011 per the attached post.

http://prince.org/msg/5/359910?&pg=1

[Edited 1/17/17 19:37pm]

malbena said:

iciala397 said:

this was after prince's divorce from MT. this was circa 06-07 i think.

'May 2011 per the attached post.

http://prince.org/msg/5/359910?&pg=1

Thank you. I thought the poster was talking about when Prince and MG were getting a divorce because MT dug her claws in.

malbena said:

iciala397 said:

this was after prince's divorce from MT. this was circa 06-07 i think.

'May 2011 per the attached post.

http://prince.org/msg/5/359910?&pg=1

[Edited 1/17/17 19:37pm]

i stand corrected.

iciala397 said:

malbena said:

'May 2011 per the attached post.

http://prince.org/msg/5/359910?&pg=1

[Edited 1/17/17 19:37pm]

i stand corrected.

With all this ongoing drama, it can be challenging to keep a timeline in check.

You notice how the court reporter who scooped the story and read all 300 pages said nothing about the 'protective order'. A suspicion of violence would have been the headline of the story if it was was anything to worry about. That is because it is most likely not a protective order in the way one might think. ITs a "Stipulaton and Protective Order" or AKA "Stipulation for Protective Order" which protects both parties from outside scrutiny or exposure. Its what he and Manuela signed to keep the file under wraps. He is the respondent because he is the one the divorce was filed against.

Here is a similar MInnesota form called Stipulation for Protective Order. .

http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/local_rules/forms/FORM-5-Stipulation-for-Protective-Order.pdf.

The form P signed also says "stipulation" and has some similar wording at the end of it to the paper work I read...

malbena said:

What is the scoop regarding the protective order?

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purplerabbithole said:

You notice how the court reporter who scooped the story and read all 300 pages said nothing about the 'protective order'. A suspension of violence would have been the headline of the story if it was was anything to worry about. That is because it is mostly like not a protective order in the way one might think. ITs a "Stipulaton and Protective Order" or AKA "Stipulation for Protective Order" which protects both parties from outside scrutiny or exposure. Its what he and Manuela signed to keep the file under wraps. He is the respondent because he is the one the divorce was filed against.

Here is a similar MInnesota form called Stipulation for Protective Order. .

http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/local_rules/forms/FORM-5-Stipulation-for-Protective-Order.pdf.

The form P signed also says "stipulation" and has some similar wording at the end of it to the paper work I read...

malbena said:

What is the scoop regarding the protective order?

[Edited 1/17/17 20:07pm]

You rock! THANK YOU

purplerabbithole said:

You notice how the court reporter who scooped the story and read all 300 pages said nothing about the 'protective order'. A suspension of violence would have been the headline of the story if it was was anything to worry about. That is because it is mostly like not a protective order in the way one might think. ITs a "Stipulaton and Protective Order" which protects both parties from outside scrutiny or exposure. Its what he and Manuela signed to keep the file under wraps. He is the respondent because he is the one the divorce was filed against.

Here is a similar MInnesota form called Stipulation for Protective Order. .

http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/local_rules/forms/FORM-5-Stipulation-for-Protective-Order.pdf

The form P signed also says "stipulation" and has some similar wording at the end of it to the paper work I read...

malbena said:

What is the scoop regarding the protective order?

This is true. If there was an iota of smutty tingles in the divorce file, the Star Tribune would have reported it.

If you notice, the reporter talks only about P's signature and not the contents of the Order P signed.

I believe the Stipulation and Protective Order also relates to the sealing of the file.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

purplerabbithole said:

You notice how the court reporter who scooped the story and read all 300 pages said nothing about the 'protective order'. A suspension of violence would have been the headline of the story if it was was anything to worry about. That is because it is mostly like not a protective order in the way one might think. ITs a "Stipulaton and Protective Order" which protects both parties from outside scrutiny or exposure. Its what he and Manuela signed to keep the file under wraps. He is the respondent because he is the one the divorce was filed against.

Here is a similar MInnesota form called Stipulation for Protective Order. .

http://www.mnd.uscourts.gov/local_rules/forms/FORM-5-Stipulation-for-Protective-Order.pdf

The form P signed also says "stipulation" and has some similar wording at the end of it to the paper work I read...

This is true. If there was an iota of smutty tingles in the divorce file, the Star Tribune would have reported it.

If you notice, the reporter talks only about P's signature and not the contents of the Order P signed.

I believe the Stipulation and Protective Order also relates to the sealing of the file.

Interesting perspectives, thanks

malbena said:

iciala397 said:

i stand corrected.

With all this ongoing drama, it can be challenging to keep a timeline in check.

Malbena see i the link you provided"

Mayte post on fb about Prince charging her to see him play (now updated with new post by her)