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Reply #240 posted 01/14/17 1:14pm

laytonian

sonshine said:

laytonian said:



BillieBalloon said:


petalthecat said:
That conversation P and MT had which mentions the house being gone sounds to me like it was October/November 2005. The mention of seeing a tornado and French riots on the news is telling. Google French riots 2005.

Which tornado was this? I cant find any info.

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I'm not finding a 2005 tornado in Minnesota....but there were French student riots in early 2006. There are ALWAYS riots in France.



I don't know if this is what they're talking about, but: WHO NAMED THIS ONE?



The Rogers Tornado, September 16, 2006


This tornado that hit the Twin Cities metro area struck northern Hennepin County in the late evening. The F2 tornado struck at around 10 p.m. and destroyed over 300 buildings and homes.



Minneapolis.about.com


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Rogers, MN is located in the northern suburbs of Mpls.
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I was just giggling about a Prince ROGERS Nelson tornado.
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Reply #241 posted 01/14/17 1:16pm

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rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

not that i care much but this info isn't all that different from what most orgers thought of manuela all along. Sure, none of it is any of our business, but I was really hoping for some insight into the decline of the great man, gold digging women are a not unusual for men of power.

I'm not sure why anyone would be hoping to see that drugs were involved. Unless you're thinking of something else like an illness...

you're not getting me, i'm saying i was hoping there would be some thread of reason as to why he's not here. Why the hell would i hope he was on drugs? that's ridiculous. I still want to know what happened last april.

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Reply #242 posted 01/14/17 1:56pm

rogifan

PeteSilas said:



rogifan said:


PeteSilas said:

not that i care much but this info isn't all that different from what most orgers thought of manuela all along. Sure, none of it is any of our business, but I was really hoping for some insight into the decline of the great man, gold digging women are a not unusual for men of power.



I'm not sure why anyone would be hoping to see that drugs were involved. Unless you're thinking of something else like an illness...

you're not getting me, i'm saying i was hoping there would be some thread of reason as to why he's not here. Why the hell would i hope he was on drugs? that's ridiculous. I still want to know what happened last april.


I guess I am confused. What would the divorce records tell us about why he's no longer here? cool
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Reply #243 posted 01/14/17 1:58pm

BillieBalloon

laytonian said:



BillieBalloon said:


petalthecat said:
That conversation P and MT had which mentions the house being gone sounds to me like it was October/November 2005. The mention of seeing a tornado and French riots on the news is telling. Google French riots 2005.

Which tornado was this? I cant find any info.

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I'm not finding a 2005 tornado in Minnesota....but there were French student riots in early 2006. There are ALWAYS riots in France.



I don't know if this is what they're talking about, but: WHO NAMED THIS ONE?



The Rogers Tornado, September 16, 2006


This tornado that hit the Twin Cities metro area struck northern Hennepin County in the late evening. The F2 tornado struck at around 10 p.m. and destroyed over 300 buildings and homes.



Minneapolis.about.com


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Ok thanks. The riots theyre are talking about are these imo, as they made headline news. They started 27th oct 2005.

http://www.independent.co...09901.html

The riots lasted 3 weeks. Prince says ' if that city gets tore up it will be a shame," he was talking about Paris. So i would place this convo within those three weeks of late oct to early nov 2005.
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Reply #244 posted 01/14/17 1:58pm

malbena

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

you're not getting me, i'm saying i was hoping there would be some thread of reason as to why he's not here. Why the hell would i hope he was on drugs? that's ridiculous. I still want to know what happened last april.

I guess I am confused. What would the divorce records tell us about why he's no longer here? cool

Something to the effect of drug use being the reason for their split or Prince's change of attitude towards Mani.

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Reply #245 posted 01/14/17 2:28pm

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malbena said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said: I guess I am confused. What would the divorce records tell us about why he's no longer here? cool

Something to the effect of drug use being the reason for their split or Prince's change of attitude towards Mani.

Clearly that wasn't the case.

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Reply #246 posted 01/14/17 2:43pm

malbena

purplethunder3121 said:

malbena said:

Something to the effect of drug use being the reason for their split or Prince's change of attitude towards Mani.

Clearly that wasn't the case.

Right! I think this is what a lot of people were expecting to see once the divorce record was unsealing. There was nothing related to drugs or reasons for a split. Only dispute about money which leaves people to think Mani tried to keep it private so as not to be seen as a gold digger. Why else would she fight it?

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Reply #247 posted 01/14/17 2:47pm

BillieBalloon

FlyOnTheWall said:



BillieBalloon said:


petalthecat said:
That conversation P and MT had which mentions the house being gone sounds to me like it was October/November 2005. The mention of seeing a tornado and French riots on the news is telling. Google French riots 2005.

Which tornado was this? I cant find any info.

That's what I've been trying to figure out. Was his tornado reference his way of being facetious about their marital home being leveled by men with heavy machinery? Was Prince, in fact, the tornado?? hmmm


lol yes, maybe he saw the connection ( the tornado being called Rogers) but she didnt.
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Reply #248 posted 01/14/17 2:57pm

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Genesia said:


Really?

There really is only one thing that would make a man react that way - and we all know what it is.

Well at least if his feelings got too hurt he could hop on that private plane he worked his butt off for, head to Hawaii. One little phone call and I'd have been there for him. smile [Edited 1/13/17 11:44am]

And Lol ,Lovely Paisleypearl that's waht he did !

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Reply #249 posted 01/14/17 3:15pm

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Superfan1984 said:

anangellooksdown said:

Superfan1984 said: She's not a pro at all. Anyone can see what she's like. Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can too. 🎶 I didn't know about militant being in the program but a lot of that memorial had her manipulation in it. Her brother gave a speech and her husband sang? TOTALLY Mani-done. I said this back then. She even had to be at the top of the ex-wives' page in that program, with Mayte's photos and quotes underneath hers. And Mayte and Prince had a child.

Yes Militant was quoted in the Prince funeral program and I'm sure it was Manuela who contacted him and put him in it as it was obvious that she put the program together and invited Mayte. And then I noticed on here, threads about her started to get shut down (gee, I wonder why?) One thing I have done and do not want to do anymore is to tear someone down on the internet - like we do with Manuela-- it does take on a wolf pack mentality and honestly, none of us know her. Well, maybe some on here do. I have tried to stop speaking negatively on here about her but it's hard when she comes across as so calculating each and every time. Gosh. So, I'm gonna stop. Because I wouldn't want someone doing that to me and I'm sure none of us would. So damn. That's all. I will sit on my hands to stop typing responses to all this.




You are incorrect. It actually was not Mani that reached out to me to be in the memorial programme or the video that was played at the service. (I was in that too - but it has not been published online because some ex bandmembers who are in do not want it to be online).

Yes - I am friendly with Mani. Mayte too. Dr Fink, Susannah, St Paul, Lala Escarzega, Apollonia, Jill, Tyka and Maurice... the list goes on and on.

And sure, it's tough to see threads where people attack people that I know....and they don't know. But I don't close any threads on Mani any more than I close any threads on anyone that are getting out of hand, and even then... other users have usually reported posts first. And for what it's worth, threads on both Mayte and Mani have been getting locked and removed by mods for YEARS before I became a mod, because half the time they turn into a complete shit-show. Not just the women he married, either - even some women he dated like Bria. Any thread on here that was about her was liable to go completely batshit insane at any time.

Many of you are weaving a false narrative here, and whilst you are certainly entitled to your opinion, you should at least be open-minded enough to realise that you aren't in possession of all the facts.

Yes, they got divorced and fans want to paint Prince as being a victim because, well, he's our hero and we rarely view our heroes as being imperfect. But remember that he also loved her enough to marry her in the first place. And as I said before, Prince also wanted those documents to be sealed, so if it's perfectly acceptable to some people to start painting pictures of Mani as wanting them sealed because they make her look bad, then you must also acknowledge that maybe Prince wanted them sealed because they made him look bad too.

Frankly..... this is all superficial stuff right now compared to what's happening with the Estate, Tyka and Omarr VS the other siblings, Londell VS Van Jones, the transition from Bremer to Comerica, the merchandising deal with Bravado and the royalties deal with GMR. Whilst people want to gossip about a marriage that ended over a decade ago, the business stuff that's happening right now will set the tone for Prince's entire future image and legacy.

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Reply #250 posted 01/14/17 3:24pm

malbena

Militant said:

Superfan1984 said:

Yes Militant was quoted in the Prince funeral program and I'm sure it was Manuela who contacted him and put him in it as it was obvious that she put the program together and invited Mayte. And then I noticed on here, threads about her started to get shut down (gee, I wonder why?) One thing I have done and do not want to do anymore is to tear someone down on the internet - like we do with Manuela-- it does take on a wolf pack mentality and honestly, none of us know her. Well, maybe some on here do. I have tried to stop speaking negatively on here about her but it's hard when she comes across as so calculating each and every time. Gosh. So, I'm gonna stop. Because I wouldn't want someone doing that to me and I'm sure none of us would. So damn. That's all. I will sit on my hands to stop typing responses to all this.




You are incorrect. It actually was not Mani that reached out to me to be in the memorial programme or the video that was played at the service. (I was in that too - but it has not been published online because some ex bandmembers who are in do not want it to be online).

Yes - I am friendly with Mani. Mayte too. Dr Fink, Susannah, St Paul, Lala Escarzega, Appollonia, Jill, Tyka and Maurice... the list goes on and on.

And sure, it's tough to see threads where people attack people that I know....and they don't know. But I don't close any threads on Mani any more than I close any threads on anyone that are getting out of hand, and even then... other users have usually reported posts first.

Many of you are weaving a false narrative here, and whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you should at least be open-minded enough to realise that you aren't in possession of all the facts.

Yes, they got divorced and fans want to paint Prince as being a victim because, well, he's our hero and we rarely view our heroes as being imperfect. But remember that he also loved her enough to marry her in the first place. And as I said before, Prince also wanted those documents to be sealed, so if it's perfectly acceptable to some people to start painting pictures of Mani as wanting them sealed because they make her look bad, then you must also acknowledge that maybe Prince wanted them sealed because they made him look bad too.











Moderators should be here to assure the well being of this website and not to make things any worse. Taking sides and voicing strong opinions against org members is unprofessional. I would suggest being neutral or not taking on this position. For many of us, some deleted threads and snips of posts are a certain abuse of administrative power.

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Reply #251 posted 01/14/17 3:31pm

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malbena said:

Militant said:




You are incorrect. It actually was not Mani that reached out to me to be in the memorial programme or the video that was played at the service. (I was in that too - but it has not been published online because some ex bandmembers who are in do not want it to be online).

Yes - I am friendly with Mani. Mayte too. Dr Fink, Susannah, St Paul, Lala Escarzega, Appollonia, Jill, Tyka and Maurice... the list goes on and on.

And sure, it's tough to see threads where people attack people that I know....and they don't know. But I don't close any threads on Mani any more than I close any threads on anyone that are getting out of hand, and even then... other users have usually reported posts first.

Many of you are weaving a false narrative here, and whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you should at least be open-minded enough to realise that you aren't in possession of all the facts.

Yes, they got divorced and fans want to paint Prince as being a victim because, well, he's our hero and we rarely view our heroes as being imperfect. But remember that he also loved her enough to marry her in the first place. And as I said before, Prince also wanted those documents to be sealed, so if it's perfectly acceptable to some people to start painting pictures of Mani as wanting them sealed because they make her look bad, then you must also acknowledge that maybe Prince wanted them sealed because they made him look bad too.











Moderators should be here to assure the well being of this website and not to make things any worse. Taking sides and voicing strong opinions against org members is unprofessional. I would suggest being neutral or not taking on this position. For many of us, some deleted threads and snips of posts are a certain abuse of administrative power.


Amen. (And I have an innocuous-yet-still-deleted thread from yesterday to prove it.)

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Reply #252 posted 01/14/17 3:33pm

malbena

Genesia said:

malbena said:

Moderators should be here to assure the well being of this website and not to make things any worse. Taking sides and voicing strong opinions against org members is unprofessional. I would suggest being neutral or not taking on this position. For many of us, some deleted threads and snips of posts are a certain abuse of administrative power.


Amen. (And I have an innocuous-yet-still-deleted thread from yesterday to prove it.)

I saw that...many of us did.

I have been a member way longer than some moderators and do not approve of their head being blown too big. I have witnessed a thread being deleted under the mere reason that the member had only been there for 9 days and his first post was negative against...guess...who Mani.

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Reply #253 posted 01/14/17 3:55pm

FlyOnTheWall

malbena said:

Militant said:




You are incorrect. It actually was not Mani that reached out to me to be in the memorial programme or the video that was played at the service. (I was in that too - but it has not been published online because some ex bandmembers who are in do not want it to be online).

Yes - I am friendly with Mani. Mayte too. Dr Fink, Susannah, St Paul, Lala Escarzega, Appollonia, Jill, Tyka and Maurice... the list goes on and on.

And sure, it's tough to see threads where people attack people that I know....and they don't know. But I don't close any threads on Mani any more than I close any threads on anyone that are getting out of hand, and even then... other users have usually reported posts first.

Many of you are weaving a false narrative here, and whilst you are entitled to your opinion, you should at least be open-minded enough to realise that you aren't in possession of all the facts.

Yes, they got divorced and fans want to paint Prince as being a victim because, well, he's our hero and we rarely view our heroes as being imperfect. But remember that he also loved her enough to marry her in the first place. And as I said before, Prince also wanted those documents to be sealed, so if it's perfectly acceptable to some people to start painting pictures of Mani as wanting them sealed because they make her look bad, then you must also acknowledge that maybe Prince wanted them sealed because they made him look bad too.











Moderators should be here to assure the well being of this website and not to make things any worse. Taking sides and voicing strong opinions against org members is unprofessional. I would suggest being neutral or not taking on this position. For many of us, some deleted threads and snips of posts are a certain abuse of administrative power.

yes

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Reply #254 posted 01/14/17 4:02pm

Purplestar88

Militant said:

Superfan1984 said:

Yes Militant was quoted in the Prince funeral program and I'm sure it was Manuela who contacted him and put him in it as it was obvious that she put the program together and invited Mayte. And then I noticed on here, threads about her started to get shut down (gee, I wonder why?) One thing I have done and do not want to do anymore is to tear someone down on the internet - like we do with Manuela-- it does take on a wolf pack mentality and honestly, none of us know her. Well, maybe some on here do. I have tried to stop speaking negatively on here about her but it's hard when she comes across as so calculating each and every time. Gosh. So, I'm gonna stop. Because I wouldn't want someone doing that to me and I'm sure none of us would. So damn. That's all. I will sit on my hands to stop typing responses to all this.




You are incorrect. It actually was not Mani that reached out to me to be in the memorial programme or the video that was played at the service. (I was in that too - but it has not been published online because some ex bandmembers who are in do not want it to be online).

Yes - I am friendly with Mani. Mayte too. Dr Fink, Susannah, St Paul, Lala Escarzega, Apollonia, Jill, Tyka and Maurice... the list goes on and on.

And sure, it's tough to see threads where people attack people that I know....and they don't know. But I don't close any threads on Mani any more than I close any threads on anyone that are getting out of hand, and even then... other users have usually reported posts first. And for what it's worth, threads on both Mayte and Mani have been getting locked and removed by mods for YEARS before I became a mod, because half the time they turn into a complete shit-show. Not just the women he married, either - even some women he dated like Bria. Any thread on here that was about her was liable to go completely batshit insane at any time.

Many of you are weaving a false narrative here, and whilst you are certainly entitled to your opinion, you should at least be open-minded enough to realise that you aren't in possession of all the facts.

Yes, they got divorced and fans want to paint Prince as being a victim because, well, he's our hero and we rarely view our heroes as being imperfect. But remember that he also loved her enough to marry her in the first place. And as I said before, Prince also wanted those documents to be sealed, so if it's perfectly acceptable to some people to start painting pictures of Mani as wanting them sealed because they make her look bad, then you must also acknowledge that maybe Prince wanted them sealed because they made him look bad too.

Frankly..... this is all superficial stuff right now compared to what's happening with the Estate, Tyka and Omarr VS the other siblings, Londell VS Van Jones, the transition from Bremer to Comerica, the merchandising deal with Bravado and the royalties deal with GMR. Whilst people want to gossip about a marriage that ended over a decade ago, the business stuff that's happening right now will set the tone for Prince's entire future image and legacy.

I doubt you know Mani anymore than anyone else here. I am not buying that crap. This not about making Prince the "victim". He was imperfect but she was imperfect too. Over the years she seem to want to call Prince out on something on social media but this file was such a issue. Mayte and Mani is not above criticism, especially when Prince has been thrown under the bus with put downs and insults over the years with no action. It was wrong to blame the fans for the Star Tribune being nosey and unethical. Period.

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Reply #255 posted 01/14/17 4:08pm

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Nevermind. biggrin

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Reply #256 posted 01/14/17 4:20pm

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Superfan1984 said:



anangellooksdown said:


Superfan1984 said:

Ok- I've missed something. WHERE are you guys reading this "transcript" of this phone call? Can someone post a link please? Also, my two cents- yes, major maniupulation on MT2's part- I also noticed how hard she went at it on her FB day this article came out. She is a pro. But, a bit too much of a pro and it comes off very clear what she's doing. I don't believe she told him about this school at all ever- she decided it the day he died I'm sure- Of course if she had spoken with him she would loudly say, "We spoke, he said //// " and she can't say that. As for these threads being deleted- I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong but to me, it looks as though she has "befriended" our moderator Militant- by putting him in the funeral program- asking for a quote from him- which was wonderful for him but I feel more of her manipulation so that she can have him delete threads, whatever- I could be wrong. I'm sure he'll set me straight. confused






She's not a pro at all. Anyone can see what she's like. Even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can too. 🎶 I didn't know about militant being in the program but a lot of that memorial had her manipulation in it. Her brother gave a speech and her husband sang? TOTALLY Mani-done. I said this back then. She even had to be at the top of the ex-wives' page in that program, with Mayte's photos and quotes underneath hers. And Mayte and Prince had a child.

Yes Militant was quoted in the Prince funeral program and I'm sure it was Manuela who contacted him and put him in it as it was obvious that she put the program together and invited Mayte. And then I noticed on here, threads about her started to get shut down (gee, I wonder why?) One thing I have done and do not want to do anymore is to tear someone down on the internet - like we do with Manuela-- it does take on a wolf pack mentality and honestly, none of us know her. Well, maybe some on here do. I have tried to stop speaking negatively on here about her but it's hard when she comes across as so calculating each and every time. Gosh. So, I'm gonna stop. Because I wouldn't want someone doing that to me and I'm sure none of us would. So damn. That's all. I will sit on my hands to stop typing responses to all this.



I agree that he could've been a workaholic and left her lonely or any number of things could've occurred on his part to not help matters. I pointed out a few things I see but I really don't want to judge her anymore.
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Reply #257 posted 01/14/17 4:26pm

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considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.

BUT orgers, mind you we had best be very careful how we tread right now and here, because if we jack the thread this way and continue this particular discussion, this thread will go poof! along with our membership at prince.org, as has happened to so many orgers over the years.

we are not permitted to criticize or attack moderators at prince.org. period. and let's face it, they work really hard at jobs that are underappreciated, and sustain a lot of personal attacks. so let's show some appreciation for their presence.

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Reply #258 posted 01/14/17 4:30pm

malbena

XxAxX said:

considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.

BUT orgers, mind you we had best be very careful how we tread right now and here, because if we jack the thread this way and continue this particular discussion, this thread will go poof! along with our membership at prince.org, as has happened to so many orgers over the years.

we are not permitted to criticize or attack moderators at prince.org. period. and let's face it, they work really hard at jobs that are underappreciated, and sustain a lot of personal attacks. so let's show some appreciation for their presence.

1- It all depends on how things are expressed. I have spoken my mind a few times and disagreed with them but never was I threatened of being banned, to be fair.

2- They are taking the liberty of attacking, criticizing, and banning orgers as you mentioned when they should be neutral, so I think.

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Reply #259 posted 01/14/17 4:41pm

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XSX said:

Sorry, peeps but since y'all have been judgemental upon her, I'd have to say that anybody who will bulldoze a house following someone quitting on them (divorcing in this case) sounds a little like somebody anybody would and should divorce. That a person on the end of that might fear to have terms made public follows straight on from that. That is some shocking behaviour right there.
And as anybody who knows what happens when you divorce, the lawyers file the claim based on a general aim of 'get half'.
The fact that this is generally seen as 'the man getting half taken' is not the mechanism but rather 'the contract being equalised'.

That's pretty kuch the emotionless fact of contract and law.

When it's company A suing company B for half of a contract and one party gets, in the end, a quarter, we don't hear much about it because there's no gossip value nor emotion value.

Marriage is the most bizarre contract of all because it's never realistic as a proposition at the outset (forever and totally yours etc etc) yet is presented in terms of 'the decent thing to do'.
Actually, the terms of marriage are, being religiously influenced, dependent on nothing less than a miracle of a match or a miracle of endurance.

Anybody who ever went from being a fanlike admirer of someone's 'perfection' to emptying their laundry basket knows that 'it ain't all that'

is what I'm sayin

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Lovely XSX 1st, P didn't bulldoze the house cause of Mani, it was not on account of her and those that were close enough to him know why he did it and it wasn't about her.... believe it was more important issue..and more dear 2 his heart (heart)

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Reply #260 posted 01/14/17 4:55pm

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redpumps said:



XSX said:


Sorry, peeps but since y'all have been judgemental upon her, I'd have to say that anybody who will bulldoze a house following someone quitting on them (divorcing in this case) sounds a little like somebody anybody would and should divorce. That a person on the end of that might fear to have terms made public follows straight on from that. That is some shocking behaviour right there.
And as anybody who knows what happens when you divorce, the lawyers file the claim based on a general aim of 'get half'.
The fact that this is generally seen as 'the man getting half taken' is not the mechanism but rather 'the contract being equalised'.


That's pretty kuch the emotionless fact of contract and law.

When it's company A suing company B for half of a contract and one party gets, in the end, a quarter, we don't hear much about it because there's no gossip value nor emotion value.

Marriage is the most bizarre contract of all because it's never realistic as a proposition at the outset (forever and totally yours etc etc) yet is presented in terms of 'the decent thing to do'.
Actually, the terms of marriage are, being religiously influenced, dependent on nothing less than a miracle of a match or a miracle of endurance.



Anybody who ever went from being a fanlike admirer of someone's 'perfection' to emptying their laundry basket knows that 'it ain't all that'

is what I'm sayin


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Lovely XSX 1st, P didn't bulldoze the house cause of Mani, it was not on account of her and those that were close enough to him know why he did it and it was about her.... believe it was more important issue..

[Edited 1/14/17 16:42pm]





@redpumps,

Spit it out!...LOL....because your last statement completely contradicts itself!


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Reply #261 posted 01/14/17 5:02pm

Purplestar88

malbena said:

XxAxX said:

considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.

BUT orgers, mind you we had best be very careful how we tread right now and here, because if we jack the thread this way and continue this particular discussion, this thread will go poof! along with our membership at prince.org, as has happened to so many orgers over the years.

we are not permitted to criticize or attack moderators at prince.org. period. and let's face it, they work really hard at jobs that are underappreciated, and sustain a lot of personal attacks. so let's show some appreciation for their presence.

1- It all depends on how things are expressed. I have spoken my mind a few times and disagreed with them but never was I threatened of being banned, to be fair.

2- They are taking the liberty of attacking, criticizing, and banning orgers as you mentioned when they should be neutral, so I think.

hammer Thank you! This is what I was getting at.

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Reply #262 posted 01/14/17 5:05pm

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BillieBalloon said:

petalthecat said:
That conversation P and MT had which mentions the house being gone sounds to me like it was October/November 2005. The mention of seeing a tornado and French riots on the news is telling. Google French riots 2005.
Which tornado was this? I cant find any info.

probably the tornado that tore the house down lol

'cause you got to know...how I feel about you babe
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Reply #263 posted 01/14/17 5:06pm

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1) Unless you are a moderator, or the creator of a thread that has been removed that we have reached out to, you are not privy to why a thread is deleted, so anybody that says "This thread was deleted because XYZ" is basing that on nothing but pure guesswork.


2) No member has ever been banned for simply expressing an opinion. People get banned for flaming and attacking, which is a violation of the site rules. No, you are not permitted to attack moderators. That's true - because you're not permitted to attack anyone. It's right there in the site rules. It makes no difference if it's a moderator or a regular member.

3) It's a misnomer to say that threads that bashed Prince were allowed to stay and threads that bash associates were not. That assumes that all the moderators are a single entity with the same opinions on what should and should not be closed. I've removed dozens of threads that have bashed Prince over the years and so has literally every other mod. I'm also sure that I've missed a bunch and so have other mods. We don't get paid for this. We don't get to read every thread. I've said it a bunch of times - if you're unhappy with a post or a thread, report it and we'll take a look.


4) Being "neutral" is in itself taking a stance. Just like any other opinion, you are free to agree or disagree. If I remain "neutral" on the issue of the unsealed documents, for example, I am implicitly agreeing to it by not opposing it, just like if you do not act when you see someone getting abused in public you are helping the assailant by standing idly by. I disagree with these documents getting unsealed because the two people directly involved in them wanted them to remain sealed. I do not believe either of them should be attacked for it, and that's all there is to it.

5) I likely take more heat than any other mod due to my visibility, but there is something that remains 100% factual here, and that is that on any issue, every single mod here has taken an action on it. So while it's easy to see some threads getting snipped and deleted and concoct a ridiculous narrative about me, the fact is that other mods took that action in many of those incidents. I would daresay that luv4u takes more action on threads than I do, so what's the narrative there? This is what I mean when I talk about a false narrative. But, some people are gonna have preconceived notions and look for things that fit their narrative even when those things aren't there. I don't mind, it is what it is.


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Reply #264 posted 01/14/17 5:11pm

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Im saying. Now he died and everyone including mods are all boo hoo-ing over him now when they allowed it and even partook in the shredding. Only now that some have made close associations with former associates because Prince is now gone are they e..ya know..let me stop lol

XxAxX said:

considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.


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Reply #265 posted 01/14/17 5:15pm

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Militant said:

1) Unless you are a moderator, or the creator of a thread that has been removed that we have reached out to, you are not privy to why a thread is deleted, so anybody that says "This thread was deleted because XYZ" is basing that on nothing but pure guesswork.


2) No member has ever been banned for simply expressing an opinion. People get banned for flaming and attacking, which is a violation of the site rules. No, you are not permitted to attack moderators. That's true - because you're not permitted to attack anyone. It's right there in the site rules. It makes no difference if it's a moderator or a regular member.

3) It's a misnomer to say that threads that bashed Prince were allowed to stay and threads that bash associates were not. That assumes that all the moderators are a single entity with the same opinions on what should and should not be closed. I've removed dozens of threads that have bashed Prince over the years and so has literally every other mod. I'm also sure that I've missed a bunch and so have other mods. We don't get paid for this. We don't get to read every thread. I've said it a bunch of times - if you're unhappy with a post or a thread, report it and we'll take a look.


4) Being "neutral" is in itself taking a stance. Just like any other opinion, you are free to agree or disagree. If I remain "neutral" on the issue of the unsealed documents, for example, I am implicitly agreeing to it by not opposing it, just like if you do not act when you see someone getting abused in public you are helping the assailant by standing idly by. I disagree with these documents getting unsealed because the two people directly involved in them wanted them to remain sealed. I do not believe either of them should be attacked for it, and that's all there is to it.

5) I likely take more heat than any other mod due to my visibility, but there is something that remains 100% factual here, and that is that on any issue, every single mod here has taken an action on it. So while it's easy to see some threads getting snipped and deleted and concoct a ridiculous narrative about me, the fact is that other mods took that action in many of those incidents. I would daresay that luv4u takes more action on threads than I do, so what's the narrative there? This is what I mean when I talk about a false narrative. But, some people are gonna have preconceived notions and look for things that fit their narrative even when those things aren't there. I don't mind, it is what it is.


- I agree about #2. There is a difference between disagreeing and attacking. I disagree with Militant but am still here wave and have been since 2000. I like some mods but not all of them.

- I disagree about #4. Being neutral does not equal taking a stance. The role of a moderator should be to make sure rules are followed and explanations are given without commenting or taking sides. If a moderator really wants to express their personal opinion, then they should open a member account and take a stance as they wish.

- I agree about #5: The deleted threads and snipping of posts overuse were not referring to you specifically. You don't delete threads that easily and take criticism rather well.

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Reply #266 posted 01/14/17 5:19pm

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redpumps said:



XSX said:


Sorry, peeps but since y'all have been judgemental upon her, I'd have to say that anybody who will bulldoze a house following someone quitting on them (divorcing in this case) sounds a little like somebody anybody would and should divorce. That a person on the end of that might fear to have terms made public follows straight on from that. That is some shocking behaviour right there.
And as anybody who knows what happens when you divorce, the lawyers file the claim based on a general aim of 'get half'.
The fact that this is generally seen as 'the man getting half taken' is not the mechanism but rather 'the contract being equalised'.


That's pretty kuch the emotionless fact of contract and law.

When it's company A suing company B for half of a contract and one party gets, in the end, a quarter, we don't hear much about it because there's no gossip value nor emotion value.

Marriage is the most bizarre contract of all because it's never realistic as a proposition at the outset (forever and totally yours etc etc) yet is presented in terms of 'the decent thing to do'.
Actually, the terms of marriage are, being religiously influenced, dependent on nothing less than a miracle of a match or a miracle of endurance.



Anybody who ever went from being a fanlike admirer of someone's 'perfection' to emptying their laundry basket knows that 'it ain't all that'

is what I'm sayin


[Edited 1/13/17 14:38pm]



Lovely XSX 1st, P didn't bulldoze the house cause of Mani, it was not on account of her and those that were close enough to him know why he did it and it wasn't about her.... believe it was more important issue..and more dear 2 his heart (heart)


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[Edited 1/14/17 16:57pm]



P said he bulldozed the house because it was a dead house and infested. He then asked Mani how she felt about rhe bulldozing and she said it felt like a punch in the gut. Why would he ask her how she felt if it has nothing to do with her?
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Reply #267 posted 01/14/17 5:34pm

Purplestar88

XxAxX said:

considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.

BUT orgers, mind you we had best be very careful how we tread right now and here, because if we jack the thread this way and continue this particular discussion, this thread will go poof! along with our membership at prince.org, as has happened to so many orgers over the years.

we are not permitted to criticize or attack moderators at prince.org. period. and let's face it, they work really hard at jobs that are underappreciated, and sustain a lot of personal attacks. so let's show some appreciation for their presence.

It is hypocrisy. Mani is treated very kindly compared to Prince here. I appreciate the mods but their has be some balance and fairness here. This particular mod thought it was ok to blame the fans for what the Star Tribune was doing because people did not rally up on Mani side or whatever. That is wrong. No ask for Prince to pass away and than have this paper trying to dig up old files for dirt and gossip. It's been crazy land since he passed but this situation was out of our hands. The blame should put the lap of Star Tribune and the judge for granting the unsealing.

[Edited 1/14/17 17:40pm]

[Edited 1/14/17 17:41pm]

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Reply #268 posted 01/14/17 5:39pm

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Iamtheorg said:

Im saying. Now he died and everyone including mods are all boo hoo-ing over him now when they allowed it and even partook in the shredding. Only now that some have made close associations with former associates because Prince is now gone are they e..ya know..let me stop lol

XxAxX said:

considering that SO many threads which viciously trashed Prince were allowed to remain, locking threads that likewise trash his associates is the utmost in hypocrisy, imo.


lol Oh lord!

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Reply #269 posted 01/14/17 5:40pm

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precioux said:

redpumps said:

Lovely XSX 1st, P didn't bulldoze the house cause of Mani, it was not on account of her and those that were close enough to him know why he did it and it was about her.... believe it was more important issue..

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@redpumps, Spit it out!...LOL....because your last statement completely contradicts itself! Peace and Love

Lovely, Precious No my last statement didn't contradict itself, I made an error of which I corrected... All that I have said or been saying is the same... I wrote (was) instead of (wasn't ) and fixed it... Also you said ( to spit it out) ok I will ... without saying to much, ... plain and simple P told me why the house was bulldozed Also I knew before he had it done, why he wanted it done before then and it was a matter close to the heart and also cause of a condition within the house.....

Hopes... that makes it a bit more clear and my apology that i had and typo or error... when 1st posting... so when i read it i caught it about 5 mins later and fixed it..

Blessings hopes this clears things up

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