Love U GH

Guitarhero said:

databank said:

As I told that other rude person, I would assume they felt it would make no sense to include 2014 tracks alongside a 1978-93 collection.

I have read FP's post three times and i see nothing what she said to be rude. You have a tone of superiority and a patronizing attitude towards newbies (Calling them teenagers) and you call them rude? I love that you have knowledge about everything Prince it's great to learn things i did not know even from a fan like me who started following Prince in 1980. You have to remember even some of us oldie fans don't know every single thing in the Prince world. But give the newbies time to catch up on things. peace.

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databank said:

RODSERLING said:

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My source is that, to this day, and despite the high demand following Prince's death, it's been more than twenty years than COME, CHAOS, etc. hadn't been printed by WB .

Despite an announcement following Prince's death, they were finally unable to re-release COME and BLACK ALBUM on vinyl.

Hell, they can't even make this albums available for digital sales ! Why a label will prevent themselves from getting easy money ?

And last but not least, they still can't use the hits frm this era on a greatest hits compilation.

To sum up : They can't print it neither physically nor digitally, and they can't use some of the best selling singles of Prince on a greatest hits compilation. But you still think they own the rights ?

I fear there bis a biais in your logic: absence of proof by deduction isn not proof. This is called sophism. All we know for a fact is that those records, up until 2014, were (p) WB Records. I may add that those albums sold poorly by comparison to any pre-1993 album (below the million). It may be that there were some sort of master reversal deal for those records that may explain why they were out of print for so long but it may not. It's conjecture that was made on the org, nothing factual at all. You cannot possibly turn conjecture into facts. For all we knows WB may just not have been interested.

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No, the matter with the use of Batman tracks has never been a sample issue, but because it uses the Batman trademark, so it can't be used for free. The only song that may have involved the Batman trademark is Bardance and yet, fair use may be evoked, i.e. you should tomorrow write a song about Batman and get away with it, see Eminem's famous music video or even Nik Kershaw's The Riddle video: fair use.

Proof of that, is that they finally were able to use BATDANCE, who not only uses Basinger, Keaton and Nicholson voices, but with them saying lines that were written by Sam Hamm, Burton, etc.! Nonsense, haven't you seen the Back To The Future sample on Child Of The Sun? All u need to do when sampling a movie is getting a compulsory licence as in sampling a song.

Another proof is that they were never able to use Partyman (except on a rare german Peach maxi), one of the best selling singles of Prince Seriously? How low can you go? (certified gold in the USA). And besides the 4 seconds intro by Nicholson that could easily be skipped, this song doesn't use any sample from the movie ! Isn't that incredible to think with some good sense ? No it's not, only you're not.

The same could be said of minor hits, such as The Future (a top ten in netherland, edited and The arms of Orion, that were nevertheless more successfull than Let's work, Glam Slam, Gotta stop, or others tracks on 4ever. While there are legit questions as to why those tracks were all left off previous greatest hits packages, we do not know a thing about it: fact is that usually movie songs can and are freely used by labels withot studio authorization. WHat happened with Batman we do not know but we sure do know that the whole album's rights reverted from (p) WB to (p) NPG in 2014, so it can't be that complicated.

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But that's cold fact. Whatever you think. I love your cold facts: "because I say it".

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I already proved you wrong. Have you? When? Joint releases does exist, oh yes and it's just a matter of how much money you are willing to pay for it oh no. Most people think this is impossible do they? because Prince slept with almost every label existing says who?, but this is BS I guess it is, but u're talking to yourself.

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In the contrary, lots of good sense that, of couse, equal sourced facts. Brilliant, I think u should get a Nobel Prize while we're at it. Just look at the tracklist on Ultimate, The very best of (that skip BATDANCE and TMBGITW !) and 4EVER. What was I thinking, looking at tracklists give me scientifict hard facts.

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Note that while I reasonably assume things, u miraculously know them.

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Go back to your mommy.

Peace.

COME, TGE, CHAOS, and BLACK ALBUM, are not selling well, because they are out of print, digitally and phisically, since the end of their promotion, just like every other Prince album post 1993.

To sum up your BS : WB is sitting on a goldmine since 20 years, and they doesn't want to profit from it, just for the fun of it.

They don't even want the fans to download these albums,while it would cost them anything at all.

They prefer to put on GREATEST HITS some tracks that were not hits at all, and skipping some of his best selling songs.

Very logical.

Databank should prove he is not a condescending asshole .... with certifiable sources ... this is not the first nor the last thread data has gone 3rd grade class bully on

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

COME, TGE, CHAOS, and BLACK ALBUM, are not selling well, because they are out of print, digitally and phisically, since the end of their promotion, just like every other Prince album post 1993.

To sum up your BS : WB is sitting on a goldmine since 20 years, and they doesn't want to profit from it, just for the fun of it.

They don't even want the fans to download these albums,while it would cost them anything at all.

They prefer to put on GREATEST HITS some tracks that were not hits at all, and skipping some of his best selling songs.

Very logical.

Well I do maintain that there are logical flaws in your reasoning: you can't possibly turn a deduction based on possibilities into facts. Now if u want to maintain that position I cannot prevent you from doing so. I guess we've both made our points. Let us call it a day

TrevorAyer said:

Databank should prove he is not a condescending asshole .... with certifiable sources ... this is not the first nor the last thread data has gone 3rd grade class bully on

Oh for chrissakes, all of this began because I once replied with a nutcase emoticon to you saying Prince needed to take drum lessons, as if such a statement was reasonable and as if pointing out its absurdity was out of line. I may sometimes be too agressive in my manners, but I don't come-up with nonsense all the time like u've been doing for years. Interestingly and I think everyone should be made aware of this, when I realized last year that you had turned our occasional verbal fights into a personal vendetta and that you were systematically attacking me for everything I may say on any possible thread (talk about bullying...), and that it was -to be honest- becoming a little too personal not to be scary given how you often react with extreme emotionality, I orgnoted you and offered a truce, saying that it would be better off for the both of us AND the community if we agreed on ignoring each other's posts and refrain ourselves from criticizing each other's comments in the future (I do not believe our rows are of any interest to other members, nor that they bring on anything to the debate). You kind of left me alone after that, then you disappeared from the Org and to be honest it was some sort of a relief for me. And now you're back and the first thing I know u're on my back again.

So I now make my offer again, this time publicly: I shall refrain from commenting any of your contributions on this board in the future and I am asking you to do the same.

Whether you agree or not will says who is the bully among us.

TrevorAyer said:

Databank should prove he is not a condescending asshole .... with certifiable sources ... this is not the first nor the last thread data has gone 3rd grade class bully on

Databank is a nerd.

The 90's saw a dramatic and sudden decline in his artistic abilities. It was a brutally steep decline, so there is not much that would appeal to hardcore fans much less the masses. There are some post 80's classics of course. 7, Shhh, Pheromone, TMBGITW, Don't Play Me, SHOE, among others but it would be a very short album to release a post 80's Best Of with the intent on selling them.
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Now, live albums, from any era, that's where the hardcore fans will come out and buy...or rather stream.
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I think a nice well put together coffee table book as part as a live album release, like a compendium would be awesome and "gift-able"
Sitting down reading and looking at nice glossy pictures while listening to an album sounds sellable and profitable with thick margins. I have no idea about the media format for the music as CD's are dead and and vinyl is a niche. Probably vinyl with a glossy coffee table book. Most people would keep the vinyl in its wrapping unopened as a collectible and stream it, but that sounds like the best case scenario to me.
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databank said:

I said back then and will repeat that I may chime if you continue to bully orgers .. which you did on this thread

feeluupp said:

TrevorAyer said:

Databank should prove he is not a condescending asshole .... with certifiable sources ... this is not the first nor the last thread data has gone 3rd grade class bully on

Databank is a nerd.

Oh, the anti-me squad is back as a team I see... Well I didn't miss u guys... Merry christmas.

TrevorAyer said:

databank said:

So I now make my offer again, this time publicly: I shall refrain from commenting any of your contributions on this board in the future and I am asking you to do the same.

I said back then and will repeat that I may chime if you continue to bully orgers .. which you did on this thread

Poorbaby.com. Save the world.

OK, well I will try and keep ignoring your posts and provocations because I'm sick to death of you and Feeluup altogether, I may have the occasional row with some orgers but at the end of the day I'm cool with most of them, but the two of u... U guys may be nice people in real life, IDK, but on this board u two really are the incarnation of everything I despise. But don't come and whine if I occasionally shout nonsense if u post nonsense: freedom of speech is a 2 ways street. I'll try not to, though. Merry xmas.

databank said:

TrevorAyer said:

databank said: I said back then and will repeat that I may chime if you continue to bully orgers .. which you did on this thread

Poorbaby.com. Save the world.

OK, well I will try and keep ignoring your posts and provocations because I'm sick to death of you and Feeluup altogether, I may have the occasional row with some orgers but at the end of the day I'm cool with most of them, but the two of u... U guys may be nice people in real life, IDK, but on this board u two really are the incarnation of everything I despise. But don't come and whine if I occasionally shout nonsense if u post nonsense: freedom of speech is a 2 ways street. I'll try not to, though. Merry xmas.

nerd

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Poorbaby.com. Save the world.

OK, well I will try and keep ignoring your posts and provocations because I'm sick to death of you and Feeluup altogether, I may have the occasional row with some orgers but at the end of the day I'm cool with most of them, but the two of u... U guys may be nice people in real life, IDK, but on this board u two really are the incarnation of everything I despise. But don't come and whine if I occasionally shout nonsense if u post nonsense: freedom of speech is a 2 ways street. I'll try not to, though. Merry xmas.

nerd

Insults now?

A nerd who's probably have more friends IRL than you will ever do, by the way.

But I think we should stop making fools of ourselves in front of everyone else: we're being pathetic here, real real low stuff... And I take my share of responsibility in this.

I would LOVE a post Symbol compilation. I was in and out of paying attention over the years, and am finding the volume of his output overwhelming. I'd love a "best of" that just from 1992 on as a way of entering into the work.

Thanks, Databank, for your contributions to many a thread over here.

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Databank is a Prince Nerd!

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If you hadn't got the news flash over the recent years, nerds are now deemed cool!

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I think that many of Prince's post-symbol musical creations are fine. Once estate business is settled and the inventory of recorded material shapes up there will be increasingly more post-Symbol compilations popping up--no matter whether the 80's Babies ignore them or not. The pre-symbol compiliations of published stuff have been pretty much done to exhaustion, IMO (to the exlusion of super-newbies, that is).

TrivialPursuit said:

InwardJim said:

Don't forget that the post- era was P's big FU to WB, and other than TMBGITW none of them were #1s. It was also about controlling the narrative. "Everything he did while he was WB's Prince was to be remembered. Everything he did during the Prince is dead, FU WB years was to be ignored." With Ultimate there could have been some change to that, but I think there was enough old-guard mentality in places at WB that still wanted the memory of Prince's legacy to be golden under WB and not sullied by bringing up the turmoil that was made public.

NPG Records, and the ownership of those songs, were his by that point. It's not about controlling the narrative, nor is it WB's option to necessarily release those songs. But I do agree that there should be a "Best of NPG" years type compilation. Start with TMBGITW and find the very best songs or hits to put out another 40.

In 2006, NPG records owned barely 20 year old WB-released recordings? Prince may have controlled the publishing at that point, which is very different than the recordings themselves, but that statement seems illogical. Especially when the copyright on the master recordings (35 years after initial) still had some time on it.

And wasn't it 2014 that it was huge news that he was getting control of his masters back, although it appeared to be on a graduated plan. I remember that being my main question at the time because all the articles were making it sound as if he was just getting them back in a lump, but that was the time frame his initial masters were coming out from under the Copyright revision Act anyway.

Germanegro said:

Thanks, Databank, for your contributions to many a thread over here.

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Databank is a Prince Nerd!

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If you hadn't got the news flash over the recent years, nerds are now deemed cool!

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I guess nerds and geeks are now fully accepted members of the hipdom indeed, at least ever since John Hugues movies made them cool, but I prefer to think of myself as a hipster though

Ingela said:

The 90's saw a dramatic and sudden decline in his artistic abilities. It was a brutally steep decline, so there is not much that would appeal to hardcore fans much less the masses. There are some post 80's classics of course. 7, Shhh, Pheromone, TMBGITW, Don't Play Me, SHOE, among others but it would be a very short album to release a post 80's Best Of with the intent on selling them. . Now, live albums, from any era, that's where the hardcore fans will come out and buy...or rather stream. . I think a nice well put together coffee table book as part as a live album release, like a compendium would be awesome and "gift-able" Sitting down reading and looking at nice glossy pictures while listening to an album sounds sellable and profitable with thick margins. I have no idea about the media format for the music as CD's are dead and and vinyl is a niche. Probably vinyl with a glossy coffee table book. Most people would keep the vinyl in its wrapping unopened as a collectible and stream it, but that sounds like the best case scenario to me. [Edited 12/17/16 7:42am]

I'm not sure I agree with this. His later music was different, but a dramatic decline in artistic abilities? Sounds hyperbolic to me. There's some pretty amazing stuff in his later catologue, but it's more independent than mainstream, which doesn't mean it is not as sound artistically. Some might even say the opposite. I could see that the masses might want more of the 80s-type music. That's true. And I'm fairly certain his hardcore fans already own his later music, which is more of a reason not to do it than the music isn't as good (why buy what they already have?). People like me are more of a niche market, fans who paid attention through some of it but not every era and who would love some kind of compilation that isn't the same old thing (I won't buy them anymore because I have purple rain 3 times over at this point, and I think it's the same recording.)

I do agree about the live music, though. That would sell to both audiences, I believe, since there's precious little out there in terms of official releases. He's gained a lot of new fans just from the live versions on Youtube (although I have no empirical data for that assertion).

I don't know about a coffee table book. But the live stuff. Yes, please, give us the live stuff!

databank said:

In case you didn't get the newsflash: hipsters love their vinyl records! But... If you post a picture of yourself sporting a big beard, I'll believe you.

teach49 said:

Well it got uber cheesy real quick like. I liked it when he released more serious albums like The Truth or Come or Lotusflow3r, but most of it was cornball. And it was kinda strange because like with the Lotus project, one was a serious project like Lotus, but he felt he had to couple it with a cheeseball record
Like Mplsound. Like he was unsure of himself or what the audience wanted. To this day I say Mplsound is one of the worst records ever made by anyone ever. He went THAT bad. The decline was that dramatic. I wish I could say it's just hyperbolic, but it was a steep and sudden dramatic decline in his artistic reputation. Something happened. I always chalk it up to drug abuse because for the life of me I can't think of anything else that could change a man as quickly and suddenly towards a decline.

Ingela said:

teach49 said:

I'm not sure I agree with this. His later music was different, but a dramatic decline in artistic abilities? Sounds hyperbolic to me. There's some pretty amazing stuff in his later catologue, but it's more independent than mainstream, which doesn't mean it is not as sound artistically. Some might even say the opposite. I could see that the masses might want more of the 80s-type music. That's true. And I'm fairly certain his hardcore fans already own his later music, which is more of a reason not to do it than the music isn't as good (why buy what they already have?). People like me are more of a niche market, fans who paid attention through some of it but not every era and who would love some kind of compilation that isn't the same old thing (I won't buy them anymore because I have purple rain 3 times over at this point, and I think it's the same recording.)

I do agree about the live music, though. That would sell to both audiences, I believe, since there's precious little out there in terms of official releases. He's gained a lot of new fans just from the live versions on Youtube (although I have no empirical data for that assertion).

I don't know about a coffee table book. But the live stuff. Yes, please, give us the live stuff!

Well it got uber cheesy real quick like. I liked it when he released more serious albums like The Truth or Come or Lotusflow3r, but most of it was cornball. And it was kinda strange because like with the Lotus project, one was a serious project like Lotus, but he felt he had to couple it with a cheeseball record Like Mplsound. Like he was unsure of himself or what the audience wanted. To this day I say Mplsound is one of the worst records ever made by anyone ever. He went THAT bad. The decline was that dramatic. I wish I could say it's just hyperbolic, but it was a steep and sudden dramatic decline in his artistic reputation. Something happened. I always chalk it up to drug abuse because for the life of me I can't think of anything else that could change a man as quickly and suddenly towards a decline.

I think you get the brilliant with the mundane with someone like Prince. I read a review recently that compared him to Woody Allen in that his creative production is voluminous, but some things just don't work. There are a lot of misfires. (I always felt Dickens was a bit that way, if I can bring in one more artistic form). That said, I probably like his latest work with 3rdEyeGirl and Andy Allo a bit more than you do. I think he went through a lull but was coming out of it. But that doesn't mean he was goign to have the same kind of commercial success he had when he was young. Probably not, unless he let people see more concerts on Youtube.

teach49 said:

Im with you on 3rd eye and Andy actually. I also liked big chunks of some of his most recent work actually. I think "June" is amazing and on par with anything he recorded ever. But I'm just taking about the dramatic overall move to cornball in the 90's while also acknowledging there were some incredible gems in the mix, but you really had to have the patience to find them.
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Ingela said:

teach49 said:

I think you get the brilliant with the mundane with someone like Prince. I read a review recently that compared him to Woody Allen in that his creative production is voluminous, but some things just don't work. There are a lot of misfires. (I always felt Dickens was a bit that way, if I can bring in one more artistic form). That said, I probably like his latest work with 3rdEyeGirl and Andy Allo a bit more than you do. I think he went through a lull but was coming out of it. But that doesn't mean he was goign to have the same kind of commercial success he had when he was young. Probably not, unless he let people see more concerts on Youtube.

Im with you on 3rd eye and Andy actually. I also liked big chunks of some of his most recent work actually. I think "June" is amazing and on par with anything he recorded ever. But I'm just taking about the dramatic overall move to cornball in the 90's while also acknowledging there were some incredible gems in the mix, but you really had to have the patience to find them. [Edited 12/19/16 19:35pm]

Full disclosure: I drifted off from following him right around Emancipation until the last few years (thougth I dovetailed back in a little during Musicology). I felt disconnected from him, and not because of his break from Warner. I worked in publishing at the time and I hung out with a bunch of musicians so I understood why he wanted his masters back. I had no beef there. But it just felt like something was off for me so I didn't keep up. I'm not sure the disconnect was something he was doing either; it was probably more about me. And then his output has always overwhelmed me, even in his heyday, so it was easy for me to get way behind.

I really love a lot of his latest work. There is this absolutely beautiful song he did with Andy Allo called, "Revelation," that is stunning in its artistry. My two cents...artists like P often become islands unto themselves,and then they end up publishing everything. If he had culled the output a little more...if he only produced the best...you might be thinking that his creative output only slowed down for a few years rather than thinking his artistry had dropped off precipitously. Instead, he left the culling to us, and that's always a risk. That's why I'd like someone with a good ear to pull together a "best of" for the last 20 years. I think it would be lovely, but it probably wouldn't be a bestseller. It would just save me some time (plus much of his work is not available).

I agree wholeheartedly about the live shows. I'm enjoying Youtube so much right now.

He was bitter AND on his own with the bizness of music ... his focus became proving he didn't need WB instead of just making good music ... the music became his job instead of his muse ... there was indeed a huge drop in quality but more importantly a drop in intimacy .. p became reserved in his content and often his songs sounded more like a shallow arguement to prove his own relevancy than a true honest artistic expression ... occassional gems do exist but they are not named "guitar" or "black sweat" ... and none of them sound as alive as prince sounded when he had real friends in his band and was not at war with the music industry

teach49 said:

Ingela said:

The 90's saw a dramatic and sudden decline in his artistic abilities. It was a brutally steep decline, so there is not much that would appeal to hardcore fans much less the masses. There are some post 80's classics of course. 7, Shhh, Pheromone, TMBGITW, Don't Play Me, SHOE, among others but it would be a very short album to release a post 80's Best Of with the intent on selling them. . Now, live albums, from any era, that's where the hardcore fans will come out and buy...or rather stream. . I think a nice well put together coffee table book as part as a live album release, like a compendium would be awesome and "gift-able" Sitting down reading and looking at nice glossy pictures while listening to an album sounds sellable and profitable with thick margins. I have no idea about the media format for the music as CD's are dead and and vinyl is a niche. Probably vinyl with a glossy coffee table book. Most people would keep the vinyl in its wrapping unopened as a collectible and stream it, but that sounds like the best case scenario to me. [Edited 12/17/16 7:42am]

I'm not sure I agree with this. His later music was different, but a dramatic decline in artistic abilities? Sounds hyperbolic to me. There's some pretty amazing stuff in his later catologue, but it's more independent than mainstream, which doesn't mean it is not as sound artistically. Some might even say the opposite. I could see that the masses might want more of the 80s-type music. That's true. And I'm fairly certain his hardcore fans already own his later music, which is more of a reason not to do it than the music isn't as good (why buy what they already have?). People like me are more of a niche market, fans who paid attention through some of it but not every era and who would love some kind of compilation that isn't the same old thing (I won't buy them anymore because I have purple rain 3 times over at this point, and I think it's the same recording.)

I do agree about the live music, though. That would sell to both audiences, I believe, since there's precious little out there in terms of official releases. He's gained a lot of new fans just from the live versions on Youtube (although I have no empirical data for that assertion).

I don't know about a coffee table book. But the live stuff. Yes, please, give us the live stuff!

I agree. I am not sure how any fan could state that Prince's later work doesn't at least consist of 15 or 20 good songs. at least that many. The problem is that none of them really sold well. Maybe, they should release an album of 'buried gems'. I would argue that he has quite a few buried gems in his later years.

I do agree with both of you in the belief that Prince's live albums are where they should start, because he often improved upon the sound of his song and because they consisted of classics and buried gems from the later years.

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Oversimplification of 30 years of work and on over-glorification of his past work. I mean "feel u up", 'jack u up' etc are more profound and creative than "Future Soul Song" or "Comeback"?--you really believe that? Come on. these oversimplications of his later work sound like personal issues with the change in his career. I came into his music as a later fan who just listened to individual songs online until I had listened to 100's of them. I didn't glorify the past or care who his bandmates were or the WB symbol bullshit. I wish people would just listen to the music. Don't get me wrong--the 90's has some crappy overproduced songs (as well as some truely good songs). His later career was eratic but it was constant and even varied. Yeah, maybe he would have two albums in a row in which only half the songs are good to me. But it takes Adele three years to make a halfway decent album. You put the good songs together from those two albums of his I just mentioned and you have enough songs for one good album within a two year period. He was hit and miss but the gems were constantly coming regardless. And even some of the overproduced songs when performed live or in the demo versionswere quite impressive in the melodic structure etc. I prefer the Diamond and Pearls song without Rosie (she is a spectuclar singer but the stripped down version was more genuine.)

LIke Bono once said, Prince needed a good editor but there is so much output that it is almost disrespectful and unkind to dismiss it all. He lost some of his coolness factor and edge in some respects, but so what. I would take Same December over Walk in the Sunshine any day of the week.

BTW, I agree that Guitar ain't that good of a song. But I love Black Sweat and I don't care what anyone thinks. If he had released that song in the 80's, you'll would have loved it

TrevorAyer said:

He was bitter AND on his own with the bizness of music ... his focus became proving he didn't need WB instead of just making good music ... the music became his job instead of his muse ... there was indeed a huge drop in quality but more importantly a drop in intimacy .. p became reserved in his content and often his songs sounded more like a shallow arguement to prove his own relevancy than a true honest artistic expression ... occassional gems do exist but they are not named "guitar" or "black sweat" ... and none of them sound as alive as prince sounded when he had real friends in his band and was not at war with the music industry

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Ingela said:

Im with you on 3rd eye and Andy actually. I also liked big chunks of some of his most recent work actually. I think "June" is amazing and on par with anything he recorded ever. But I'm just taking about the dramatic overall move to cornball in the 90's while also acknowledging there were some incredible gems in the mix, but you really had to have the patience to find them.

I enjoy the breadth of Prince's songs, from the serious musical tour de force to the throwaway pop/dance jam. Some folk are more specific on what they like among Prince's ouveure and trash all the rest that plenty of other folks will appreciate. It just cheeses me and my heart breaks at their near-sightedness. But whatever floats your boat, and I will othewise not wield judgement. Compilations can be tricky in that regard.

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I can't say I'm with you in accordance of taste on "June."

I'm surprised that so many were into that HitnRun Vol. 1 ditty and would not rate it among his others as "amazing" by any stretch! It is a quite derivative sound--ever hear The Art of Noise? It's in there--and while imitation is a form of flattery for that band, the stream-of-conscious lyrical content could be more interesting (your burning pasta and girlfriend not telling you about her midday meal-- ).

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I loved Prince's expansion of sound and style experimentation of the nineties (Cornball? I'm gonna say no to that) that would be well to frame in a compilation set for the babyfans of Prince.

TrevorAyer said:

He was bitter AND on his own with the bizness of music ... his focus became proving he didn't need WB instead of just making good music ... the music became his job instead of his muse ... there was indeed a huge drop in quality but more importantly a drop in intimacy .. p became reserved in his content and often his songs sounded more like a shallow arguement to prove his own relevancy than a true honest artistic expression ... occassional gems do exist but they are not named "guitar" or "black sweat" ... and none of them sound as alive as prince sounded when he had real friends in his band and was not at war with the music industry

Prince at that point of the 90s/00s was doing what he wanted to do--battles and all. Well, maybe not all the battles, but what're you going to do when you're fighting against The Machine for artists rights.

This is what we got. It is what he had to give. Arguments, art, experiments, and pure fun, all blended in an outpouring of production. Put them in a compilation, I say!

TrevorAyer said:

Looking back I think the preoccupation with the business certainly takes the fun out of it. Especially if it gets stressful financially. When you've booted everyone away and you're on your own doing a million things at once. I've been there on a small scale. I can imagine how it would be for someone working on the scale of things Prince was.
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Having said that maybe he needs a little slack.

Germanegro said:

Love the Art of Noise. And I love June because it's breezy and simple and overall charming. It doesn't try to be anything, it just is. And I love that about it. Prince just chilling.
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I love pure fun pop songs too. I have a lot of guiltily pleasures including some of prince's. But for that to work I think it has to be fun and charming. A lot of Prince's 90's throw-always were neither fun or charming.

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Cornball usually misses the mark on fun and charming. And in the 90's it sounds like Prince was not in a fun or charming place in his life. And you could hear it in his music. It's sounds forced and contrived.
[Edited 12/20/16 17:24pm]