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TKO

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Why are his post-Symbol releases ignored in compilations?

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

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Reply #1 posted 12/14/16 7:29am

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While for example The Very Best of Madonna, MJ and other legendary artists cover their entire discography, i know most of Prince singles post-Symbol aren't HITS but who cares, any Prince fan or follower should get access to these songs too.

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Reply #2 posted 12/14/16 7:30am

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Different owners for the music.

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Reply #3 posted 12/14/16 7:44am

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TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.



Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.


Because they're not WB and had many different distributors.
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Reply #4 posted 12/14/16 9:25am

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TheEnglishGent said:

Different owners for the music.


That simple. Part is WB, part is NPG. Of course now it's all NPG.

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Reply #5 posted 12/14/16 10:05am

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The inclusion of those songs are limited by their licensing and publishing assignments, and where these will eventually appear will be determined by whomever maintains control of Prince's estate including NPG Publishing. My guess, anyway.

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TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

The labels?

OK, a new teenager fan smile

All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.

Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.

All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.

Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.

The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.

Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.

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Reply #7 posted 12/14/16 2:29pm

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Don't forget that the post-prince era was P's big FU to WB, and other than TMBGITW none of them were #1s. It was also about controlling the narrative. "Everything he did while he was WB's Prince was to be remembered. Everything he did during the Prince is dead, FU WB years was to be ignored." With Ultimate there could have been some change to that, but I think there was enough old-guard mentality in places at WB that still wanted the memory of Prince's legacy to be golden under WB and not sullied by bringing up the turmoil that was made public.

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InwardJim said:

Don't forget that the post-prince era was P's big FU to WB, and other than TMBGITW none of them were #1s. It was also about controlling the narrative. "Everything he did while he was WB's Prince was to be remembered. Everything he did during the Prince is dead, FU WB years was to be ignored." With Ultimate there could have been some change to that, but I think there was enough old-guard mentality in places at WB that still wanted the memory of Prince's legacy to be golden under WB and not sullied by bringing up the turmoil that was made public.


NPG Records, and the ownership of those songs, were his by that point. It's not about controlling the narrative, nor is it WB's option to necessarily release those songs. But I do agree that there should be a "Best of NPG" years type compilation. Start with TMBGITW and find the very best songs or hits to put out another 40.

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databank said:

TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

The labels?

OK, a new teenager fan smile

All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.

Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.

All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.

Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.

The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.

Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.

I'm 30, not a teenage at all.

But probably not a fan like you who knows everything about labels and who own the rights for his songs, etc.

I just love his music. But thanks for being an ass hole.

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TKO said:



databank said:




TKO said:


I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.



Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.



The :labels?


OK, a new teenager fan smile


All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.


Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.


All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.


Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.


The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.


Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.




I'm 30, not a teenage at all.


But probably not a fan like you who knows everything about labels and who own the rights for his songs, etc.



I just love his music. But thanks for being an ass hole.



Well who's being an asshole now? Next time u want 2 waste people's time by asking a question that a 2 minutes Google search would have solved 4 u please do it on another board. U may have been the only person on this board not to be aware of the situation with Prince's masters and WB, God knows Prince made sure to publicize his war with WB a lot over the course of the last 23 years, not to mention it's been discussed here everywhere including on the 4ever thread, so there's no reason 4 u to brag about being exceptionally ignorant. I may b an asshole but I don't go around on message boards calling ppl who were already members when I was still in secondary school names. Thanks 4 wasting my time..
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double post

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Reply #12 posted 12/14/16 9:38pm

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TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

I ask my self this all the time pout Drives me crazy. Though it's curious, if Prince did select the songs for Prince 4ever because he also is under-estimating how loved some of the more recent music is too. That's a shame and makes me sad. cry broken

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ForeverPaisley said:

TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

I ask my self this all the time pout Drives me crazy. Though it's curious, if Prince did select the songs for Prince 4ever because he also is under-estimating how loved some of the more recent music is too. That's a shame and makes me sad. cry broken

So I'm gonna assume you are not a teenager and that you are aware of P's history with his masters in order not to be called names again.

Consensus is that it's very unlikely P's involvement with 4ever included tracks selection. It's unlikely he would have picked tracks like Head or an uncensored Sexy MF.

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databank said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I ask my self this all the time pout Drives me crazy. Though it's curious, if Prince did select the songs for Prince 4ever because he also is under-estimating how loved some of the more recent music is too. That's a shame and makes me sad. cry broken

So I'm gonna assume you are not a teenager and that you are aware of P's history with his masters in order not to be called names again.

Consensus is that it's very unlikely P's involvement with 4ever included tracks selection. It's unlikely he would have picked tracks like Head or an uncensored Sexy MF.

I am not a teenager - how did you know razz To be honest I was wondering where that left his more recent albums because some were still released by WB so...if it's WB releasing these cds...why are they so daft about it?
And I have been questioning the truth being P choosing the song selection, when listening there are a few that make you stop and go hmm It's one thing to put out more of the same items in trying to have us grief-stricken fans open our wallet over again. It's Sickening that they are LITERALLY putting words in Prince's mouth when they say 'he selected the songs etc' disbelief no:

I just feel it's a shame, and even narrowminded on 'their' part because, if they threw in a few more of the recent gems - RNR Love Affair, FunkNRoll etc it could inspire bandwagen fans to pick up a new album instead of yet ANOTHER 'hits' album. shrug

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Reply #15 posted 12/14/16 10:56pm

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ForeverPaisley said:

databank said:

So I'm gonna assume you are not a teenager and that you are aware of P's history with his masters in order not to be called names again.

Consensus is that it's very unlikely P's involvement with 4ever included tracks selection. It's unlikely he would have picked tracks like Head or an uncensored Sexy MF.

I am not a teenager - how did you know razz To be honest I was wondering where that left his more recent albums because some were still released by WB so...if it's WB releasing these cds...why are they so daft about it?
And I have been questioning the truth being P choosing the song selection, when listening there are a few that make you stop and go hmm It's one thing to put out more of the same items in trying to have us grief-stricken fans open our wallet over again. It's Sickening that they are LITERALLY putting words in Prince's mouth when they say 'he selected the songs etc' disbelief no:

I just feel it's a shame, and even narrowminded on 'their' part because, if they threw in a few more of the recent gems - RNR Love Affair, FunkNRoll etc it could inspire bandwagen fans to pick up a new album instead of yet ANOTHER 'hits' album. shrug

As I told that other rude person, I would assume they felt it would make no sense to include 2014 tracks alongside a 1978-93 collection.

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good ?uestion.

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Reply #18 posted 12/15/16 3:41am

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Label knowledge aside (but seriously, who doesn't know about the feud with WB at this point?) - one of the toughest pills to swallow is that Prince simply did not have "hits" after TMBGITW.

That song was a hit in 1994, but it was release separately from WB. The version on The Gold Experience is slightly different.

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Reply #19 posted 12/15/16 3:43am

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databank said:

TKO said:

I noticed every official compilation always include his singles from 1978 to 1992.

Why singles like TMBGITW, I Hate U, Letitgo, The Greatest Romance, Musicology, Black Sweat are always ignored by the labels is beyond me.

The labels?

OK, a new teenager fan smile

All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.

Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.

All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.

Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.

The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.

Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.

I'm sorry, but for someone who is very condescendant toward the others fans, there is a lot you didn't understand.

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To be clear, WB has absolutely no rights to release on greatest hits collection any songs after 1993. So not only they can't reprint in CD or vinyl COME, TGE, CHAOS and OLD FRIENDS, but they can't neither put on GH top 40 hits such as GOLD (#10 in UK, with 150.000 ex one of his best selling single here), I HATE U (#12 in the US, #20 in UK), DINNER WITH DELORES (#32 in UK) or LET IT GO, which was a worldwide top 40, and they surely can't put some AOA or PLEC tracks on it !

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Until now, they haven't even the rights to use BATMAN tracks on a GH. They paid for the use of BATDANCE in 4EVER. They could have also paid for tracks for post 1993 era, even Musicology, etc. Thats what Sony did with Universal for the MJ's GH that used jackson 5 tracks on it ! And I believe that I want you back or ABC are more expensive than Musicology or This Could be Us...So shame on Warner because if they had paid for it, they could have use a better range of the Prince's carreer.

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You really thought that such tracks were deemed unsignificant for WB ? Contrary to Gotta Stop, Let's work, Soft and Wet, Paisley Park, Glam Slam, etc. who were such letdown in the charts (if they ever charted at all) and which are still printed. What would be the point to chose unknown singles of the 78-93 era instead of real hits of the 94-96 era ? It would make absolutely no sense.

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Reply #20 posted 12/15/16 4:22am

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So they could have included tracks from AOA and PE - might have seemed a bit strange to have a 20 year gap!

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databank said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I am not a teenager - how did you know razz To be honest I was wondering where that left his more recent albums because some were still released by WB so...if it's WB releasing these cds...why are they so daft about it?
And I have been questioning the truth being P choosing the song selection, when listening there are a few that make you stop and go hmm It's one thing to put out more of the same items in trying to have us grief-stricken fans open our wallet over again. It's Sickening that they are LITERALLY putting words in Prince's mouth when they say 'he selected the songs etc' disbelief no:

I just feel it's a shame, and even narrowminded on 'their' part because, if they threw in a few more of the recent gems - RNR Love Affair, FunkNRoll etc it could inspire bandwagen fans to pick up a new album instead of yet ANOTHER 'hits' album. shrug

As I told that other rude person, I would assume they felt it would make no sense to include 2014 tracks alongside a 1978-93 collection.

I have read FP's post three times and i see nothing what she said to be rude. You have a tone of superiority and a patronizing attitude towards newbies (Calling them teenagers) and you call them rude? I love that you have knowledge about everything Prince it's great to learn things i did not know even from a fan like me who started following Prince in 1980. You have to remember even some of us oldie fans don't know every single thing in the Prince world. But give the newbies time to catch up on things. peace.

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So they could have included tracks from AOA and PE - might have seemed a bit strange to have a 20 year gap!

It wouldn't have been strange at all. They did that with the last Bowie best of, it includes tracks from Blackstar.

But WB would have paid more because they don't have the licence, only the rights to distribute it as an album.

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databank said:

Well who's being an asshole now? Next time u want 2 waste people's time by asking a question that a 2 minutes Google search would have solved 4 u please do it on another board. U may have been the only person on this board not to be aware of the situation with Prince's masters and WB, God knows Prince made sure to publicize his war with WB a lot over the course of the last 23 years, not to mention it's been discussed here everywhere including on the 4ever thread, so there's no reason 4 u to brag about being exceptionally ignorant. I may b an asshole but I don't go around on message boards calling ppl who were already members when I was still in secondary school names. Thanks 4 wasting my time.. [Edited 12/14/16 21:03pm]

Words speak for themselves.

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

The labels?

OK, a new teenager fan smile

All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.

Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.

All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.

Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.

The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.

Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.

I'm sorry, but for someone who is very condescendant toward the others fans, there is a lot you didn't understand.

.

To be clear, WB has absolutely no rights to release on greatest hits collection any songs after 1993. So not only they can't reprint in CD or vinyl COME, TGE, CHAOS and OLD FRIENDS, but they can't neither put on GH top 40 hits such as GOLD (#10 in UK, with 150.000 ex one of his best selling single here), I HATE U (#12 in the US, #20 in UK), DINNER WITH DELORES (#32 in UK) or LET IT GO, which was a worldwide top 40, and they surely can't put some AOA or PLEC tracks on it !

.

Until now, they haven't even the rights to use BATMAN tracks on a GH. They paid for the use of BATDANCE in 4EVER. They could have also paid for tracks for post 1993 era, even Musicology, etc. Thats what Sony did with Universal for the MJ's GH that used jackson 5 tracks on it ! And I believe that I want you back or ABC are more expensive than Musicology or This Could be Us...So shame on Warner because if they had paid for it, they could have use a better range of the Prince's carreer.

.

You really thought that such tracks were deemed unsignificant for WB ? Contrary to Gotta Stop, Let's work, Soft and Wet, Paisley Park, Glam Slam, etc. who were such letdown in the charts (if they ever charted at all) and which are still printed. What would be the point to chose unknown singles of the 78-93 era instead of real hits of the 94-96 era ? It would make absolutely no sense.

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Where's the "like" button!? wink Thanks for pointing all this out, especially your first sentence. The condescension was thick ("another teenage fan") and not cool. I'm a middle aged fan whose first album was Controversy, but prefers pretty much everything from 2007 on over most (not all) of the WB stuff. I think it was around that time I stopped looking for commercial success and started opening my mind to trust Prince to take me on the journey he was on. I realized Prince doesn't make music for others, he goes in the direction that he feels in the moment. Once I embraced that, I stopped being disappointed, which I had been since The Rainbow Children. Long story longer, I avoided "4Ever" other than downloading M-beam Levels. It's a money grab aimed at non-fans, but that's cool, the siblings will need all the $$ they can get come tax time. Thanks again for clearing up the business end of things!

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RODSERLING said:

databank said:

The labels?

OK, a new teenager fan smile

All 4 compilations have been released by one label: Warner Bros.

Up until the third one all they could have included that they didn't was material from Come, TGE, C&D and TVOF4S.

All of which is of little interest to the target audience of those kind of compilations, save TMBGITW but it seems the legal status of that one song is tricky since the masters of 2 slightly different versions were copyrighted one by WB the other by NPG.

Everything after 1996 is (p) NPG Records. + some exclusive distribution deals with other labels may still be effective for some records such as Musicology or 3121. Now technically of course everything is (p) NPG Records but WB still have an exclusive distribution agreement for the material from between 1978 and 1996, + AOA and PlecEl.

The legal situation between WB and the estate and the label's access to post 1996 material is currently unknown, but it seems WB still was in a similar situation with 4ever as they were for the first 3 compilations. It seems Letitgo, Space, Eye Hate U, Gold and Dinner With Delores still weren't deemed significant enough for inclusion on 4ever. And including songs from 2 albums that were released 21 years after 1993 would have been somewhat odd.

Rights will most hopefully be cleared and details revealed eventually.

I'm sorry, but for someone who is very condescendant toward the others fans, there is a lot you didn't understand. U against me too now? OK, come and play with me biggrin

.

To be clear, WB has absolutely no rights to release on greatest hits collection any songs after 1993. So not only they can't reprint in CD or vinyl COME, TGE, CHAOS and OLD FRIENDS, but they can't neither put on GH top 40 hits such as GOLD (#10 in UK, with 150.000 ex one of his best selling single here), I HATE U (#12 in the US, #20 in UK), DINNER WITH DELORES (#32 in UK) or LET IT GO, which was a worldwide top 40, and they surely can't put some AOA or PLEC tracks on it ! I'm willing to believe if proven but AFAIK it wasn't ever proven. What is your source?

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Until now, they haven't even the rights to use BATMAN tracks on a GH. They paid for the use of BATDANCE in 4EVER. Sample thing, not a matter of rights but of paying sample licence to WB films, again against u prove it's not a matter of having the right. They could have also paid for tracks for post 1993 era, even Musicology, etc. Oppositely, certainly not on a compulsory basis. Prove me wrong. Thats what Sony did with Universal for the MJ's GH that used jackson 5 tracks on it ! And I believe that I want you back or ABC are more expensive than Musicology or This Could be Us...So shame on Warner because if they had paid for it, they could have use a better range of the Prince's carreer. Comparing Motown to a post-mortem NPG Records is just totally irrelevant. Again, prove me wrong.

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You really thought that such tracks were deemed unsignificant for WB ? Contrary to Gotta Stop, Let's work, Soft and Wet, Paisley Park, Glam Slam, etc. who were such letdown in the charts (if they ever charted at all) and which are still printed. What would be the point to chose unknown singles of the 78-93 era instead of real hits of the 94-96 era ? It would make absolutely no sense.

Lots of theories and blabberish. Again all of which I'm willing to accept if demonstrated with proper sources. I've always backed-off when proven wrong, and it's happened occasionally. Prove me wrong, I will apologize and accept my mistakes. Until then u're just spreading rumors that 20 years of Prince.org have turned into facts.

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Reply #26 posted 12/15/16 8:56am

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I'm sorry, but for someone who is very condescendant toward the others fans, there is a lot you didn't understand.

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To be clear, WB has absolutely no rights to release on greatest hits collection any songs after 1993. So not only they can't reprint in CD or vinyl COME, TGE, CHAOS and OLD FRIENDS, but they can't neither put on GH top 40 hits such as GOLD (#10 in UK, with 150.000 ex one of his best selling single here), I HATE U (#12 in the US, #20 in UK), DINNER WITH DELORES (#32 in UK) or LET IT GO, which was a worldwide top 40, and they surely can't put some AOA or PLEC tracks on it !

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Until now, they haven't even the rights to use BATMAN tracks on a GH. They paid for the use of BATDANCE in 4EVER. They could have also paid for tracks for post 1993 era, even Musicology, etc. Thats what Sony did with Universal for the MJ's GH that used jackson 5 tracks on it ! And I believe that I want you back or ABC are more expensive than Musicology or This Could be Us...So shame on Warner because if they had paid for it, they could have use a better range of the Prince's carreer.

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You really thought that such tracks were deemed unsignificant for WB ? Contrary to Gotta Stop, Let's work, Soft and Wet, Paisley Park, Glam Slam, etc. who were such letdown in the charts (if they ever charted at all) and which are still printed. What would be the point to chose unknown singles of the 78-93 era instead of real hits of the 94-96 era ? It would make absolutely no sense.

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Where's the "like" button!? wink Thanks for pointing all this out, especially your first sentence. The condescension was thick ("another teenage fan") and not cool. I'm a middle aged fan whose first album was Controversy, but prefers pretty much everything from 2007 on over most (not all) of the WB stuff. I think it was around that time I stopped looking for commercial success and started opening my mind to trust Prince to take me on the journey he was on. I realized Prince doesn't make music for others, he goes in the direction that he feels in the moment. Once I embraced that, I stopped being disappointed, which I had been since The Rainbow Children. Long story longer, I avoided "4Ever" other than downloading M-beam Levels. It's a money grab aimed at non-fans, but that's cool, the siblings will need all the $$ they can get come tax time. Thanks again for clearing up the business end of things!

He didn't clear shit. There isn't a singled sourced or backed-up fact in what he said (at least so far). Don't be manipulated so easily. I may be condecendenting, but I don't make shit up. Ask anyone.

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Worst is that when I wrote "another teenage fan" I meant it as "how cute" because from the way TKO was writing I really thought he or she was 15 years old. And then I cared to explain the whole thing to them. U know as in "taking time to reply the question". And then I don't even get a bloody thank u. They could have gone "I'm no teenager and I find u a bit condescending but thank u just the same", but what do I get for the most thorough reply here? "U're an asshole". Well sorry for the misunderstanding but f*** you.

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databank said:

RODSERLING said:

I'm sorry, but for someone who is very condescendant toward the others fans, there is a lot you didn't understand. U against me too now? OK, come and play with me biggrin

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To be clear, WB has absolutely no rights to release on greatest hits collection any songs after 1993. So not only they can't reprint in CD or vinyl COME, TGE, CHAOS and OLD FRIENDS, but they can't neither put on GH top 40 hits such as GOLD (#10 in UK, with 150.000 ex one of his best selling single here), I HATE U (#12 in the US, #20 in UK), DINNER WITH DELORES (#32 in UK) or LET IT GO, which was a worldwide top 40, and they surely can't put some AOA or PLEC tracks on it ! I'm willing to believe if proven but AFAIK it wasn't ever proven. What is your source?

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Until now, they haven't even the rights to use BATMAN tracks on a GH. They paid for the use of BATDANCE in 4EVER. Sample thing, not a matter of rights but of paying sample licence to WB films, again against u prove it's not a matter of having the right. They could have also paid for tracks for post 1993 era, even Musicology, etc. Oppositely, certainly not on a compulsory basis. Prove me wrong. Thats what Sony did with Universal for the MJ's GH that used jackson 5 tracks on it ! And I believe that I want you back or ABC are more expensive than Musicology or This Could be Us...So shame on Warner because if they had paid for it, they could have use a better range of the Prince's carreer. Comparing Motown to a post-mortem NPG Records is just totally irrelevant. Again, prove me wrong.

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You really thought that such tracks were deemed unsignificant for WB ? Contrary to Gotta Stop, Let's work, Soft and Wet, Paisley Park, Glam Slam, etc. who were such letdown in the charts (if they ever charted at all) and which are still printed. What would be the point to chose unknown singles of the 78-93 era instead of real hits of the 94-96 era ? It would make absolutely no sense.

Lots of theories and blabberish. Again all of which I'm willing to accept if demonstrated with proper sources. I've always backed-off when proven wrong, and it's happened occasionally. Prove me wrong, I will apologize and accept my mistakes. Until then u're just spreading rumors that 20 years of Prince.org have turned into facts.

I'm willing to believe if proven but AFAIK it wasn't ever proven. What is your source?


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My source is that, to this day, and despite the high demand following Prince's death, it's been more than twenty years than COME, CHAOS, etc. hadn't been printed by WB .

Despite an announcement following Prince's death, they were finally unable to re-release COME and BLACK ALBUM on vinyl.

Hell, they can't even make this albums available for digital sales ! Why a label will prevent themselves from getting easy money ?

And last but not least, they still can't use the hits frm this era on a greatest hits compilation.

To sum up : They can't print it neither physically nor digitally, and they can't use some of the best selling singles of Prince on a greatest hits compilation. But you still think they own the rights ?

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Sample thing, not a matter of rights but of paying sample licence to WB films, again against u prove it's not a matter of having the right.

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No, the matter with the use of Batman tracks has never been a sample issue, but because it uses the Batman trademark, so it can't be used for free.

Proof of that, is that they finally were able to use BATDANCE, who not only uses Basinger, Keaton and Nicholson voices, but with them saying lines that were written by Sam Hamm, Burton, etc.!

Another proof is that they were never able to use Partyman (except on a rare german Peach maxi), one of the best selling singles of Prince (certified gold in the USA). And besides the 4 seconds intro by Nicholson that could easily be skipped, this song doesn't use any sample from the movie ! Isn't that incredible to think with some good sense ?

The same could be said of minor hits, such as The Future (a top ten in netherland, edited and The arms of Orion, that were nevertheless more successfull than Let's work, Glam Slam, Gotta stop, or others tracks on 4ever.

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Oppositely, certainly not on a compulsory basis. Prove me wrong

But that's cold fact. Whatever you think.

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Comparing Motown to a post-mortem NPG Records is just totally irrelevant. Again, prove me wrong.

I already proved you wrong. Joint releases does exist, and it's just a matter of how much money you are willing to pay for it. Most people think this is impossible because Prince slept with almost every label existing, but this is BS.

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Lots of theories and blabberish. Again all of which I'm willing to accept if demonstrated with proper sources. I've always backed-off when proven wrong, and it's happened occasionally. Prove me wrong, I will apologize and accept my mistakes. Until then u're just spreading rumors that 20 years of Prince.org have turned into facts.

In the contrary, lots of good sense. Just look at the tracklist on Ultimate, The very best of (that skip BATDANCE and TMBGITW !) and 4EVER.

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databank said:

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My source is that, to this day, and despite the high demand following Prince's death, it's been more than twenty years than COME, CHAOS, etc. hadn't been printed by WB .

Despite an announcement following Prince's death, they were finally unable to re-release COME and BLACK ALBUM on vinyl.

Hell, they can't even make this albums available for digital sales ! Why a label will prevent themselves from getting easy money ?

And last but not least, they still can't use the hits frm this era on a greatest hits compilation.

To sum up : They can't print it neither physically nor digitally, and they can't use some of the best selling singles of Prince on a greatest hits compilation. But you still think they own the rights ?

I fear there bis a biais in your logic: absence of proof by deduction isn not proof. This is called sophism. All we know for a fact is that those records, up until 2014, were (p) WB Records. I may add that those albums sold poorly by comparison to any pre-1993 album (below the million). It may be that there were some sort of master reversal deal for those records that may explain why they were out of print for so long but it may not. It's conjecture that was made on the org, nothing factual at all. You cannot possibly turn conjecture into facts. For all we knows WB may just not have been interested.

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No, the matter with the use of Batman tracks has never been a sample issue, but because it uses the Batman trademark, so it can't be used for free. The only song that may have involved the Batman trademark is Bardance and yet, fair use may be evoked, i.e. you should tomorrow write a song about Batman and get away with it, see Eminem's famous music video or even Nik Kershaw's The Riddle video: fair use.

Proof of that, is that they finally were able to use BATDANCE, who not only uses Basinger, Keaton and Nicholson voices, but with them saying lines that were written by Sam Hamm, Burton, etc.! Nonsense, haven't you seen the Back To The Future sample on Child Of The Sun? All u need to do when sampling a movie is getting a compulsory licence as in sampling a song.

Another proof is that they were never able to use Partyman (except on a rare german Peach maxi), one of the best selling singles of Prince Seriously? How low can you go? (certified gold in the USA). And besides the 4 seconds intro by Nicholson that could easily be skipped, this song doesn't use any sample from the movie ! Isn't that incredible to think with some good sense ? No it's not, only you're not.

The same could be said of minor hits, such as The Future (a top ten in netherland, edited and The arms of Orion, that were nevertheless more successfull than Let's work, Glam Slam, Gotta stop, or others tracks on 4ever. While there are legit questions as to why those tracks were all left off previous greatest hits packages, we do not know a thing about it: fact is that usually movie songs can and are freely used by labels withot studio authorization. WHat happened with Batman we do not know but we sure do know that the whole album's rights reverted from (p) WB to (p) NPG in 2014, so it can't be that complicated.

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But that's cold fact. Whatever you think. I love your cold facts: "because I say it".

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I already proved you wrong. Have you? When? Joint releases does exist, oh yes and it's just a matter of how much money you are willing to pay for it oh no. Most people think this is impossible do they? because Prince slept with almost every label existing says who?, but this is BS I guess it is, but u're talking to yourself.

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In the contrary, lots of good sense that, of couse, equal sourced facts. Brilliant, I think u should get a Nobel Prize while we're at it. Just look at the tracklist on Ultimate, The very best of (that skip BATDANCE and TMBGITW !) and 4EVER. What was I thinking, looking at tracklists give me scientifict hard facts.

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Note that while I reasonably assume things, u miraculously know them.

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Go back to your mommy.

Peace.

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