Thanks for the pleasant welcome. I come from a place of love. So sorry.

oliviacamron said:

kingricefan said:

I'm a newbie so I don't know all of the backstories regarding members and whatnot, but I have seen some rudeness thrown around (at members and even at Prince and his family). I am a member of only one other message board (the SKMB over at Stephenking.com) and over there we all try to treat everyone with respect. H*ll, I don't even spell out all the letters in a swear word there because children come there and read what is posted and I don't want to contribute to them seeing a swear word when it's not my place to do so. Maybe just take a step back and breath? We are all here for our love of Prince, right? Prince was all about love and being positive so let's try to make that our way of life here on the org.

purpleemotions said:

laurarichardson said:

purpleemotions said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh

-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.

Are you sure? For my Tidal it's showing rave un2 as no longer available by the record label. Rave in2 is still accessible on Tidal.

purpleemotions said:

803 said:

laurarichardson said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh

-- I am listen to Rave right now on Tidal. The search engine is screwy and some things go and then come back.[/quote I still have in2 and had un2 marked as a favorite and I now receive the dreaded blue banner saying content not available...and search doesn't pull it up...I wish this dispute would get resolved...

I have both downloaded to my offline content so I'm still able to listen to both albums. Rave in2 is still available but rave un2 is not.

purpleemotions said:

kingricefan said:

oliviacamron said:

purpleemotions said:

I just checked my TIDAL in hopes you were wrong but you weren't ugh

and even if they are downloaded for offline, some songs still won't play

Yes, I have 3121 downloaded but I still can't play beautiful,loved, and blessed. 18 & Over and Acknowledge me off Crystal Ball are also no playing.

purpleemotions said:

purpleemotions said:

Just read the Bremer submission on Roc Nation. Came through on the feed from the court system. Will be interesting.

1Sasha said:

Here we go!!

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/1...l-lawsuit/

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

Just read the Bremer submission on Roc Nation. Came through on the feed from the court system. Will be interesting.

I read the court documents.Jay Z is really trying to steal Prince's music ! Why don't Jay Z make his own music, oh wait I forgot, he don't know how.

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We all knew JayZ was a snake. In MAY the snake was trying to get Prince's musical assets...Thieves in the Temple for sure.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Roc Nation, the entertainment company founded by rap mogul Jay Z, tried but failed to get chosen to manage Prince's musical assets in the weeks after the rock superstar's death, according to court documents released Tuesday.

The documents stem from a dispute between Prince's record company and Jay Z's music streaming service Tidal, which is playing out in both state and federal court in Minnesota. The trust company overseeing Prince's estate says the dispute belongs only in federal court, where PRN Records is suing Roc Nation for copyright infringement for making a large part of Prince's catalog available to its subscribers. A closed hearing is set for Thursday in Carver County probate court.

After Prince Rogers Nelson died of an accidental painkiller overdose in April, the court appointed Bremer Trust to run his estate. The company then solicited requests for proposals for managing his music to generate cash. The documents show Roc Nation, founded in 2008 by Shawn "Jay Z" Carter, submitted a proposal in May. That proposal, marked "Proprietary and Confidential," pitched Roc Nation as an "artists first" endeavor that would protect his artistic vision. It noted that Prince had already given Tidal rights to stream some of his recent work.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-music

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PennyPurple said:

We all knew JayZ was a snake. In MAY the snake was trying to get Prince's musical assets...Thieves in the Temple for sure.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Roc Nation, the entertainment company founded by rap mogul Jay Z, tried but failed to get chosen to manage Prince's musical assets in the weeks after the rock superstar's death, according to court documents released Tuesday.

The documents stem from a dispute between Prince's record company and Jay Z's music streaming service Tidal, which is playing out in both state and federal court in Minnesota. The trust company overseeing Prince's estate says the dispute belongs only in federal court, where PRN Records is suing Roc Nation for copyright infringement for making a large part of Prince's catalog available to its subscribers. A closed hearing is set for Thursday in Carver County probate court.

After Prince Rogers Nelson died of an accidental painkiller overdose in April, the court appointed Bremer Trust to run his estate. The company then solicited requests for proposals for managing his music to generate cash. The documents show Roc Nation, founded in 2008 by Shawn "Jay Z" Carter, submitted a proposal in May. That proposal, marked "Proprietary and Confidential," pitched Roc Nation as an "artists first" endeavor that would protect his artistic vision. It noted that Prince had already given Tidal rights to stream some of his recent work.

http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...nces-music

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This right here.......

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him!

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cloveringold85 said:

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This right here.......

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Bremer Trust acknowledged that an Aug. 1, 2015, agreement, which remains sealed, gave Tidal the right to stream a new Prince studio album, "Hit n Run Phase One." However, the trust company alleges in court filings, Tidal in June began streaming many Prince albums without permission.

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According to an October letter to the judge by Roc Nation attorney Rodney Mason, Prince and NPG "granted Roc Nation the exclusive rights to stream the Artist's vast and historic catalogue of master recordings and musical compositions exclusively on the TIDAL service.

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Roc Nation also has not responded to a request for an accounting of any payments.....it still owes the estate royalties.

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Moerke and Mason did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment Tuesday. Roc Nation has not formally responded to the copyright lawsuit, which NPG filed last month.

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him!

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Yep. And Jay Z started going after the music in May. mere weeks after our Prince passed. Greedy Bastard.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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This right here.......

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Bremer Trust acknowledged that an Aug. 1, 2015, agreement, which remains sealed, gave Tidal the right to stream a new Prince studio album, "Hit n Run Phase One." However, the trust company alleges in court filings, Tidal in June began streaming many Prince albums without permission.

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According to an October letter to the judge by Roc Nation attorney Rodney Mason, Prince and NPG "granted Roc Nation the exclusive rights to stream the Artist's vast and historic catalogue of master recordings and musical compositions exclusively on the TIDAL service.

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Roc Nation also has not responded to a request for an accounting of any payments.....it still owes the estate royalties.

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Moerke and Mason did not immediately respond to phone calls seeking comment Tuesday. Roc Nation has not formally responded to the copyright lawsuit, which NPG filed last month.

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I knew he was shady! I just feel bad that Prince trusted him!

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Yep. And Jay Z started going after the music in May. mere weeks after our Prince passed. Greedy Bastard.

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Yea, we got Prince's vault safe and sound...........or so he thought!

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Jubilant Judas!

Waiting for those accounting files from Tidal.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_ESTATE_JAY_Z?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press is also reporting on the Jay Z/Tidal controversy and upcoming litigation.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:

-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.

I think Universal Publishing will try and negotiate the best deals they can get. It helps that Prince is a legend and has a deep catalog. But the more they can get the better for both Universal and the estate. In the future I so see growing backlash against streaming services. We just saw a report that vinyl sales are holding steady and generate much higher margins. I mean you can't go jogging or go to the gym with a turntable on your head, but it does show people are willing to pay more music if they see an added value in media.

I doubt Universal get much more than whatever they offered him. Remember Universal was administering his catalogue before and he let them go. Makes me think he was not happy with their services and he said in print that what Apple offered was a joke.

I also apoligize because I was not clear in my post. I would suggest people go to the Tidal store and buy what they don't have or cannot find on CD.

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:

The reason for all this is the opposite. It's about getting his music on all streaming services. And services that can actually be able to pay what is due.

-- Do you think the NPG stuff, single songs and video content is going to be on other playforms? They only interested in the hits and we have 3 of those sets already. Do you think the estate will get any more money from the other services than they got out of Tidal? As Tidal will have to pay up what they owe to the estate. I know people hate Jay-z but do not be so gleeful to see Prince's music given away for pennies by greedy add Apple which is no better than Tidal.

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I'm pretty sure Apple said they didn't want to purchase Tidal. They don't need the money anyhow, or the drama!

destinyc1 said:

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

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You basically summed it all up. That's what they are disputing now and will be in court tomorrow.

I responded to another thread but it was a dupe so I am copying and pasting my responce here toward this article but FUQ Jay Z seriously, he is only have money!

I see what TIDAL and Jay Z are trying to do but its not going to work. It doesn't matter what was DISCUSSED, if Prince did not sign an agreement that says in writing with his signature that Jay Z has the right to stream his music than he has no case. Just because Prince had a conversation with him doesn't mean that he intended for Jay Z to have full access to his music. It sounds to me that Jay Z feels entitled to stream Prince music/access to his music just because Prince confined in him, but Prince talked about music with all his colleagues and associates and that certaintly is no indicater that he wanted Jay Z to have rights to his music or to have full control over how it is streamed. If it aint in WRITING, he can go home with that b.s!

cloveringold85 said:

destinyc1 said:

Anyone else confused? Laura help me out here..... So about a year ago prince allows tidal to stream ONLY certain music correct or not?Was there a contract signed?Because we fams know prince didn't do contracts?!!! Anyway we at least knew that was ok because prince was alive when it happened and his people found some sort of paperwork correct? And prince is also on record saying why he hooked up with jay z.Its who he wanted at the time not the guy londell wants now correct?I'm guessing this same guy was around then and prince didn't want to use him.Next thing is our prince passes and two weeks later jayz streams music that he had no right to stream?And didn't pay the estate for the ones he was allowed to stream or the ones he stole and streamed?Next from april -june did londell NOT know that jayz was streaming other music of prince's?Everyone in the world knew prince at the time wanted jayz .Did londell not want to deal with who prince wanted to deal with?I mean it seems that their trying to keep things in line the way prince wanted down to the foods he ate.Was prince just testing the waters with jayz?Bottomline if jay did this without permission his ass is toast and should pay beyond what he stole.So either he has the paperwork or his a..is grass and thats prob the comment L was making on his twitter when he said All wonder prince didn't deal with people'

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You basically summed it all up. That's what they are disputing now and will be in court tomorrow.

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