oliviacamron said:

paisleypark4 said:

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

They were not all there . In June Tidal put on a lot more of Prince's albums. Don't know which ones though. I think it was around 11 albums! And they added some live songs .

Aaah okay. Maybe I wasnt paying enough attention to them at the time. I know Slaughterhouse and Chocolate Invasion and couple other rare ones were there so thats why I probably just assumed the others were? I got it once Janet's Unbreakable came out and Prince rolled out his Pick of the Weeks. It only says they have had a unrestricted agreement. I hope jay Z has some texts and emails they may have sent back and forth. i rather keep it on Tidal like how Prince wanted it to be...IF indeed Tidal is paying NPG Records their dues.

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Bohemian67 said:

oliviacamron said:

Bohemian67 said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.

Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!

THAT'S IT FOLKS....

I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there?

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there?

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

Bohemian67 said: I've been waiting for you to emerge. Shall I give you a list of names

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there?

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Tidal is not owned by WB. RonNation is a sub lable of Universal.

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there?

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

The family is only going to get the same pennies everyone else is getting on the other platforms.

More people will have access to the music but this will only work out as a big cash infusion for the estate if some upfront fees are paid. Artist are not making a lot of money off of streaming but if the family can get the same upfront fee the record lables are getting they might be in a good spot. I am under the impression that Prince was not going to get those fees from the other platforms I doubt they have changes their minds in the last year.

cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said: Nonsense. If Tidal had WB backing them, they wouldn't be on the brink of bankruptcy. They wish. Yhe deal is this; the family retains ownership of the music and Universal manages it for x amount of years. That's why the family and Universal is suing Tidal. Tidal generates zip, Nada, nothing, so they want universal to do their thing and get the music on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. In other words they want to generate cash flow. Something that Tidal doesn't.

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85: Is this the link you were thinking of??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_Nation

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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You seem to be the only Prince fan that cares about his legacy!!! Keep riding for Prince!

paisleypark4 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Kanye West urged a meeting with Apple demanding Apple buy Tidal. Apple said they have no interest in Tidal. The streaming market is saturated and even deep pockets tech companies are struggling against Spotify. It takes a lot of money and it's a long game. Tidal has been losing millions and who knows how long they can keep bleeding money and not die. They urgently need a cash infusion and everyone with money is weary in going against the big boys who themselves are losing money. [Edited 11/18/16 13:27pm]

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Yes, I read about that story about Kanye -- he was so pissed at JayZ. I also read that Tidal owes a lot of money to people, and now they are being sued by Prince's estate....so, maybe its ADIOS for Tidal!!

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm confused. You do know that TIDAL is owned by JayZ/WB/Universal, right?

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JayZ is affiliated with Roc Nation/Universal records.

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JayZ is in cahoots with Warner. Any surprise there?

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https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=jay+z+music+label&oq=jay+z+music+label&gs_l=serp.3..0.3456.6222.0.6543.12.9.0.3.3.0.118.840.7j2.9.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.12.848...35i39k1j0i67k1j0i20k1j0i22i30k1.h5aGkriP1dw

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Tidal is not owned by WB. RonNation is a sub lable of Universal.

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Okay, but I somehow thought that Universal had some connection with WB. Thanks for the clarification.

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cloveringold85 said:

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I thought Universal was a part of WB? I guess I got it wrong then. There are rumors that Apple wants to buy Tidal now, which I hope they don't do.

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85: Is this the link you were thinking of??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_Nation

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Yes, I saw that. I see that RocNation was orginally funded by Sony, then Sony dropped them and he went with Universal.

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I get it now, Thanks!!

mjscarousal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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You seem to be the only Prince fan that cares about his legacy!!! Keep riding for Prince!

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MJS: Thanks for saying that; I just don't want to see Prince's estate getting screwed-over. I'm pretty sure the entire Prince Army cares about protecting his legacy!!

laurarichardson said:

bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

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This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

http://www.rollingstone.c...ng-w450721

I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

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****Prince fought hard to get his masters back and won as we all know. Seems he wanted to protect not only his masters, yet any unreleased music. He could have sold this off many times yet didn't.

Do you all think that original meeting took place in New York? The one that started all of this , where allegedly Tyka attended?

JayZ could care less about Prince and storing his legacy! It's all the dollar sign $$$ because Tidal is JayZ !!

cryingdoves said:

cryingdoves said:

laurarichardson said:

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This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

http://www.rollingstone.c...ng-w450721

I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

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****Prince fought hard to get his masters back and won as we all know. Seems he wanted to protect not only his masters, yet any unreleased music. He could have sold this off many times yet didn't.

Do you all think that original meeting took place in New York? The one that started all of this , where allegedly Tyka attended?

JayZ could care less about Prince and storing his legacy! It's all the dollar sign $$$ because Tidal is JayZ !!

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laurarichardson said:

cryingdoves said:

--- Does anyone else believe that Prince actually gave Jay-Z files with no upfront money. The lawsuit has a court order to remove the music from Tidal and as of today the files are still up. Can anyone explain this?

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WTF are they waiting for? If JayZ/RocNation/Tidal had no rights to stream Prince's music--and if they don't have documents to support their claims, then why hasn't the material been removed from Tidal, like Laura states.

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This is total BS!!

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JayZ EXPLOITED and USED PRINCE!! I'm really disgusted!!

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I have a few choice words for JayZ, but I'm trying hard to contain myself!!

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It's bad enough what happened to Prince, and this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and to have JayZ doing what he is doing......God help us!!!!

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cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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WTF are they waiting for? If JayZ/RocNation/Tidal had no rights to stream Prince's music--and if they don't have documents to support their claims, then why hasn't the material been removed from Tidal, like Laura states.

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This is total BS!!

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JayZ EXPLOITED and USED PRINCE!! I'm really disgusted!!

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I have a few choice words for JayZ, but I'm trying hard to contain myself!!

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It's bad enough what happened to Prince, and this is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and to have JayZ doing what he is doing......God help us!!!!

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I should be slapped. About 15 or 20 years my mom asked me if I want all those Prince albums of mine at her house and I said no. I don't have Prince's albums! I only have stuff I bought on Google play, a couple of cassettes, and TIDAL !! What am I gonna do? I hated making a deal with the devil ( Tidal) but I like the music digital so I can quickly skip from album to album at the gym.

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Don't feel bad that you signed-up for Tidal. It's not your fault that all of this is f-up now. None of us knew all of this was going to happen.

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I feel bad that I got rid of my Prince CDs and other rare albums (I still have my vinyl), but I guess I have to get on-board with the digital age.

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I'm Old Skool....like Prince was, LOL

Came across this article from December, 2015.

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What Prince had to say about Tidal deal:

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http://www.stereogum.com/1850356/prince-explains-why-tidal-will-win-the-streaming-wars/news/

I don't get all this digital/physical as an either/or thing.

It is okay to make your own local rips of your CDs (that are not dependent on limited licensing agreements), then, keep the CD in storage as a backup AND a collectible.

As for the idea that nobody could have predicted Tidal might be a temporary source for Prince's music...

MANY of us predicted it. It was one reason on a long list some of us have given making the argument for physical copies. Even if all his music ends up on Spotify or iTunes or whatever, ALL of those possible deals will also be subject to the reality of licensing agreements and any future changes in the companies, how they work, and how people consume music.

Physical copies require proper handling, proper storage and working equipment to play them or rip them on... that is all.

Back to my original point, even if you prefer having your music available as a digital library, purchasing physical copies is still the most economical route and the best method to assure maintaining the collection as times/technology/availability/licensing agreements change.

Just sayin'...

djThunderfunk said:

Ingela said:

djThunderfunk said:

I don't get all this digital/physical as an either/or thing.

It is okay to make your own local rips of your CDs (that are not dependent on limited licensing agreements), then, keep the CD in storage as a backup AND a collectible.

As for the idea that nobody could have predicted Tidal might be a temporary source for Prince's music...

MANY of us predicted it. It was one reason on a long list some of us have given making the argument for physical copies. Even if all his music ends up on Spotify or iTunes or whatever, ALL of those possible deals will also be subject to the reality of licensing agreements and any future changes in the companies, how they work, and how people consume music.

Physical copies require proper handling, proper storage and working equipment to play them or rip them on... that is all.

Back to my original point, even if you prefer having your music available as a digital library, purchasing physical copies is still the most economical route and the best method to assure maintaining the collection as times/technology/availability/licensing agreements change.

Just sayin'...

Except no. If you've lived any amount of time you know that gadgets become obsolete. Quickly obsolete.

I have. Long enough to know that there is always a market for outdated "gadgets". There are billions of CD players, recorders, CD-Roms, DVD players, recorders, DVD-Roms, Blu-ray players, Sony/Nintendo/Xbox players on the market. ALL play CDs. It'll be a long time before it's not possible to find a working player.

And again, I've asked you not to talk to me. Please ignore my posts and I will ignore yours.

DJThunder: I'm not sure if your post was referring to what I said about "we didn't know this would happen."

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What I meant by my statement was that none of us knew that Prince's estate would be at battle with Tidal. I never said anything about Tidal being a "temporary source" for Prince's music. I never really knew much about Tidal, until all hell broke loose!

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None of us could have possibly known that things would get this ugly.

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cloveringold85 said:

DJThunder: I'm not sure if your post was referring to what I said about "we didn't know this would happen."

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What I meant by my statement was that none of us knew that Prince's estate would be at battle with Tidal. I never said anything about Tidal being a "temporary source" for Prince's music. I never really knew much about Tidal, until all hell broke loose!

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None of us could have possibly known that things would get this ugly.

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Perhaps. However, many of us predicted Tidal's streaming license would last only as long as Prince was interested in working with them and/or as long as Tidal was willing to pay Prince what he thought the deal was worth. Knowing his history with labels and online services, the odds were always against their deal lasting more than a few years. Even if he was still with us, he would have eventually moved on from the service.

oliviacamron said:

I wood like to buy the physical albums in CDs but I wonder if I can somehow record the songs from CD to sd card

Rip the CDs (if your device does not have a CD drive you can get a portable USB unit for about $25 OR find a friend whose computer has a CD or DVD drive), copy paste digital files to SD card. Done.