However, in papers filed in Minnesota, Prince's estate and his NPG record label said Tidal and its parent company Roc Nation "have not provided any documentation substantiating Roc Nation's claim that it has rights to exploit any Prince Copyrighted Works in addition to the works that comprise the HitNRun: Phase 1 album".

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If such a licence had existed, they continued, it should now be considered terminated.

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Roc Nation countered that Tidal and Prince had entered into an Equity Term Sheet (essentially an agreement to agree) in 2015, which would give the service worldwide streaming rights to his next two albums, as well as one "previously unreleased full-length studio album" over a five-year period.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38010964

mjscarousal said:

petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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Poorlovelycomputer said:

IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected. [Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said: I thought they mended fences before he passed and they were working on a PR re-issue or something. Anyway, I love Prince, but he's dead now and WB never did anything to me, and did such a wonderful job with his records. Great album covers too.

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I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

WB does not have Prince's master tapes. !!!

cloveringold85 said:

Poorlovelycomputer said:

IMO I think Prince obviously liked something about Tidal and Jay Z both.Honestly I don't think Tidal would be where it's at without the Prince material. Like all of us who have a choice I don't support Tidal and never will I'm not saying Jay isn't a fan but I feel like he just sees it as a business investment(greed).As long as the family is taken care of and his future releases are done properly that's all that matters.And he legacy should he respected. [Edited 11/17/16 3:10am]

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Who tricked him and why did he go and talk up Tidal in interviews? Why did he send files to Tidal?

Why did he do pick of the week? Who made him go into a deal where he would get an upfront fee and a higher roylaty rate?

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

cloveringold85 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Lovejunky said:

No one Tricked him....

His last Purple Pick was on April 18...an Unreleased version of Black Sweat....

I believe that Prince was invested in helping Tidal becasue HE believed it was a step in the right direction for Artists to earn MORE ....

I also dont believe for a second that JayZ made any unauthourized releases on Tidal...He had the files and they could have only come from one place...

However I AM wondering why he released so much after P left us....

Why was it not up before hand..

Could it be that he and P had some kind of Release schedule planned but with P gone Jay made the music available earlier than planned...?

Are there any specifics on what these albums actually WERE because as far as i go back they were always there so I am confused.

Paisley Park...Im sorry..I didnt exactly check what was there and what was not...Just going by something I read that JAY Z released more music after Prince Left his body.....I actually dont know if this is true or not...BUT what Im really getting at is that Prince and Jayz had something tight going on....and I do believe that some of it was verbal since P had worked with others on WORD alone....

paisleypark4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Prince didn't like contracts, so he probably did a handshake deal with Tidal and they agreed that Tidal could stream his music for a certain amount of time.

paisleypark4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think Prince was tricked into this Tidal deal, imo.

I think something shady could have happened also.

Nobody tricked him the last purple pick was April 18 Prince was alive and well. Don't you find it strange that the lawsuit from the estate has a court order for the music to come off but as of today the music is still up on Tidal. Could it be that Tidal does have a written agreement because if they do the music is not going to come down.

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said: I think something shady could have happened also.

Nobody tricked him the last purple pick was April 18 Prince was alive and well. Don't you find it strange that the lawsuit from the estate has a court order for the music to come off but as of today the music is still up on Tidal. Could it be that Tidal does have a written agreement because if they do the music is not going to come down.

If Tidal does has a written agreement, Why did they not Produce it when requested by the Estate ?

I dont get it...

From the Court Documents:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3220747/Prince.pdf

24. Bremer Trust’s requests included a request for any basis for the exploitation of Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album.

Roc Nation failed to produce any evidence of written or Verbal agreements to exploit as they said, Princes music other than Hit and Run Phase 1...

YET On April 3 Sometimes it snows in april was available to Download...so Clearly there was some kind of agreement.....but NPG music knows nothing about it ????

Could it be that Jay z and Prince were beling Fluid and did things verbally becasue they trusted each other ????

Purple Pick of the Week features new tracks, exclusives, rarities and more — curated personally by Prince.

This week features “Sometimes It Snows in April,” the closing track on Prince’s acclaimed and beloved eighth album, Parade, which just turned 30 years old. Enjoy the song below while reading more about the classic 1986 record here via PopMatters.

I remember reading somewhere that Prince recorded all his meetings with JayZ....I cant find that article, but I remember Chuckling and thinking.."that,d be right "

I dID read that..I hope its true and not some smoke up your bum editorial

Lovejunky said:

Universal Music old WArner really do inspire my inner serial killer.

Prince wanted his music on TIDAL!

THAT'S IT FOLKS....

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

petalthecat said:

Not trying to be harsh here but does it really matter what Prince would have wanted? He's gone. And we all know how notorious P was for changing his mind every 2 minutes. Who's to say there wouldn't have been a Universal or WB deal 6 months or 6 years down the line. We will never know sadly. Trust the family will strike the right balance between what P wanted, what the fans want and an income to sustain the Estate, though I sense there will have to be some compromise somewhere.

It does matter.....HOWEVER, IMO if an organization has shown that they can not be trusted and is stealing money from the said person, which TIDAL has done to Prince the I dont think the organization has the right to continue with business as usual and I honestly don't believe Prince signed a contracted for a extended period with Tidal. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just for this year. TIDAL is a sinking ship and they just want Princes music for profit and money purposes, they don't care about preserving Princes legacy.

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Thank you, MJS: you are spot-on!!

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I just want to add; of course it matters!! If Prince didn't care about owning his masters, he wouldn't have fought so hard to get them back. If he didn't care about unreleased music in his vault -- he would have sold it off many years ago!

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MJS: I don't trust JayZ. Like you said, he does not care about preserving Prince's legacy; it's all about the money!!

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clover, and MJS. Pethecat, what ever mattered to Prince matters to me.
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Bohemian67 said:

petalthecat said:

oliviacamron said:

clover, and MJS. Pethecat, what ever mattered to Prince matters to me.
[Edited 11/18/16 0:24am]

Obviously I've been misunderstood here. I'm not personally saying I don't give a damn about what Prince wanted. All I'm saying is P had his morals and was happy doing things how he did. Now he has gone the Estate needs to earn cash. P's music wasn't turning a profit, if the bill's needed paying he went on tour. The family doesn't have that luxury, the music HAS to sell. Therefore, things have to change. No one is saying sell out, but deals will have to be made. Compromise is inevitable. I think sticking to the way P did business and what he wanted but ending up having to sell PP won't be an option.

Has Tidal begun streaming the instrumental album N.E.W.S. ?

Ingela said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, true. The world is very "mobile" today. No one wants to carry around CDs--everything is just a click away, nowadays. Prince's issue with streaming music had to do with artists who were not getting compensated for their work, which I have to agree with him on that. I still have my vinyl -- hard to part with, but I did get rid of a lot of my CDs--they take up a lot of space.

I can see why Primce chose Tidal. You want to support other artists and those who support your cause. Very cool and very noble. I would love for the industry to get together and make sure all artists make a decent cut off their streams. It's great for the hot artists of the moment, and they can cut special deals, but it's difficult for everyone else. Tidal cannot do it on their own because they will just be undercut by everyone else and be put out of business. It's a way bigger issue than just tidal. Spotify has been around forever and has built a strong following, Apple and Google with all their money and access can't reach as big an audience (yet) that's why Tidal has been looking for a buyer. Its takes a great deal of volume to make money in streaming and Tidal just doesn't have it and probably never will. And good on you for getting rid of your CD's. Garbage. I've always hated those damn things. Good to see them slowly die. [Edited 11/17/16 17:37pm]

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I actually felt guilty for getting rid of some of my CDs. Some of them were very rare releases from various artists. I dunno -- I guess I'm just Old Skool, and I like having something tangible that I can hold in my hands, and read the album sleeve. I support Prince's efforts in fighting for artists rights to royalties from their music/their work. I mean, money/credit is due to those who worked for it. That's how I see it.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not sure they mended fences. I just don't feel WB should have Prince's masters back; that's not what Prince would want, imo. Things are getting nasty now with Prince's estate, and I just want to see his music go into the right hands.

WB does not have Prince's master tapes. !!!

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Wait.....hold-up here!! Clover (me) said that WB shouldn't get Prince's masters back (although they are probably salivating right now over it), LOL

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Purple Pick of the Week features new tracks, exclusives, rarities and more — curated personally by Prince.

This week features “Sometimes It Snows in April,” the closing track on Prince’s acclaimed and beloved eighth album, Parade, which just turned 30 years old. Enjoy the song below while reading more about the classic 1986 record here via PopMatters.

I remember reading somewhere that Prince recorded all his meetings with JayZ....I cant find that article, but I remember Chuckling and thinking.."that,d be right "

I dID read that..I hope its true and not some smoke up your bum editorial

Yea, I'm sure Prince recorded that deal -- that sounds like something he would do. But, I sure hope he got everything in writing, but I guess if he had a verbal (on tape), then would that be legit??

The Star Tribune reports NPG Music Publishing and NPG Records, Inc. filed a lawsuit that alleges Tidal only had permission to stream Prince's latest album exclusively for 90 days. HITNRUN Phase One debuted as a Tidal exclusive in September 2015, a couple of months after the artist pulled all of his music from other streaming services. In May of last year, Tidal was the exclusive home to Prince's Rally 4 Peace concert in Baltimore after the death of Freddie Gray.

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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/17/prince-estate-tidal-lawsuit-streaming-rights/

cloveringold85 said:

NeoSoul said:

Has Tidal begun streaming the instrumental album N.E.W.S. ?

Yup that been on there for a while as were the rest