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Reply #30 posted 11/15/16 7:56pm

steakfinger

laurarichardson said:

I think something shady us going with Universal.

You would.

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Reply #31 posted 11/15/16 8:39pm

bilbolives

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

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Reply #32 posted 11/15/16 8:40pm

bashraka

steakfinger said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.

If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.

You are right. Unfortunately, Prince did not plan on putting into place legal protective measures that would name an executor of his creative and business properties in the event of death. Prince's business partners has creditors and shareholders to satisfy-that doesn't cease because Prince is no longer alive. All fans can do now is hope these business matters can be resolved as efficiently and quickly as possible.

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Reply #33 posted 11/15/16 9:57pm

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Reply #34 posted 11/15/16 10:53pm

funksterr

"both written and ORAL agreements" lol

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Reply #35 posted 11/15/16 10:59pm

oliviacamron

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steakfinger said:



OperatingThetan said:


Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.


If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.


Thems fightin words [Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #36 posted 11/16/16 12:04am

mjscarousal

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A couple of things.

1.) Prince died. Any "DEAL" is null and void unless it is written in the will. No will no "Deal."

2.) Since there is no will it would have to be a written contract. No contract and we all know why.

3.) Now that prince is dead and there is no will nor contract it will have to be a NEW contract with his estate.

4.) Tital is in $$ trouble. They have not paid some artist per reports. Yes It is aslo said that Tital uploaded 19 Albums AFTER he died. They do not have a right to do so.

It is also said that they never paid Prince $750,000 for his last CD.

I see this as their way to get some cash and pay off some debt.

But realistically they do NOT have a shot at this.

link:

https://www.digitalmusicn...-catalog/

[Edited 11/15/16 12:30pm]

THANKS for saying this. I tried to say this but no one believed. Its shocking so many Prince fans have so much trust in Tidal. I hope they DONT win, I knew this was going to be a messy battle disbelief

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Reply #37 posted 11/16/16 3:04am

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steakfinger said:



OperatingThetan said:


Prince however, did not approve of anyone running the Estate now, nor the recent deal with Universal.


If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.


--- And if he willed it to his family the music might have been sold by now.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:37am]
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Reply #38 posted 11/16/16 4:29am

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steakfinger said:

laurarichardson said:

I think something shady us going with Universal.

You would.

Because Prince openly complained about them so why would the estate run back to them.

Can you answer that question?

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Reply #39 posted 11/16/16 4:31am

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bashraka said:

steakfinger said:

If he actually cared (which it doesn't seem he did), then he was a [Snip - luv4u] and his [Snip - luv4u] should've left a will. End of story.

You are right. Unfortunately, Prince did not plan on putting into place legal protective measures that would name an executor of his creative and business properties in the event of death. Prince's business partners has creditors and shareholders to satisfy-that doesn't cease because Prince is no longer alive. All fans can do now is hope these business matters can be resolved as efficiently and quickly as possible.

Once again some of his assest could be in the LLC which if structured a certain way could protect the assest from probate. Also some asset could be in trust.

[Edited 11/16/16 8:43am]

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Reply #40 posted 11/16/16 4:40am

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bilbolives said:

http://www.startribune.com/prince-estate-files-lawsuit-over-streaming-rights-to-late-star-s-music/401389105/

The Minneapolis Star Tribune is also reporting on this story.

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This article is from Forbes and dispels some of the foolishness from TMZ. Also McMillian is saying that there was never a 40 million dollar deal.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...03bc304240

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I kind of wonder why the estate does not just go get a court order to have all of the music pulled off of Tidal. Also find it interesting that NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing are still in tact.

The federal suit was filed by NPG Records and NPG Music Publishing Tuesday, though the estate and Roc Nation have been at odds over Prince's catalog for months. In 2015, Prince pulled his music from all streaming services, but struck a deal with Tidal to premiere his LP Ht N Run: Phase One. In June, Tidal added 15 lesser-known Prince albums, though the Prince estate claims they did so without authorization.

A representative for Tidal declined to comment. A representative from NPG was not immediately available to comment.

On Friday, Roc Nation filed a petition asking the court to enforce what they claimed was an agreed-upon arrangement with Prince concerning his digital catalog. The move came after Prince's estate inked a deal with Univers...this month to become the worldwide publishing administrator for Prince's music, threatening Tidal's supposed exclusive rights as it would allow the musician's catalog to be added to additional streaming services.

In its new suit, NPG acknowledged the initial Roc Nation deal, but said it was only supposed to last for 90 days. It went on to claim that when Tidal added those 15 Prince albums in June, Roc Nation started "exploiting many copyrighted Prince works in addition to the works that comprise the Hit N Run: Phase 1 album."

The suit goes on to claim that Roc Nation has yet to produce documents to support their asserted claim that they have "both oral and written" agreements to exclusively stream Prince's entire catalog on Tidal.

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Reply #41 posted 11/16/16 5:53am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

I'm sorry but making his music exclusive to Tidal is dumb. The majority of paying streaming music consumers use other services. These consumers are not going to sign up with Tidal just to get Prince music. Renting music is the future whether Prince agreed with it or not. If the Estate/Family want a whole new generation to experience Prince's music they'll make it available on as many platforms as possible. Also we know Tidal is in financial trouble. So what happens if Apple, Google or Amazon snatch them up? Prince music never becomes available online again? That would be a disaster.

-- Those services will pay a penny a stream. The family will not get upfront money.

And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?
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Reply #42 posted 11/16/16 6:36am

1Sasha

This mess is representative of what has happened since April 21. Good luck to those who are trying to straighten out these matters.

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Reply #43 posted 11/16/16 6:50am

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


-- Those services will pay a penny a stream. The family will not get upfront money.

And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?

Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.
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Reply #44 posted 11/16/16 7:30am

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:


And what does every other artist do that's on these services? Heck even Led Zeppelin is available on all streaming services now. Garth Brooks was one of the last holdouts but he just signed a deal with Amazon. What's so special about Prince?

Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.

I get that the situation is not great but it's what it is. I am not convinced Tidal is at all viable on its own. Then what? I think the Estate needs to make the best deals it can with all streaming services or least offer up all of his music for purchase across all platforms. Putting all his eggs in the Tidal basket is a mistake IMO.
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Reply #45 posted 11/16/16 7:53am

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


Okay here is the problem. The record companies are getting a hugh upfront payment the artist are getting none of that payment. Prince was running a record company/publishing company so why would he not ask for the same up front payment. I don't know if Garth Brooks or Led Zepplin own the masters of their work but even if they don't I hope the held out for good deals. I think Prince was looking for a good deal for his music and trying to support a new business. He did not put the music in the LLC so would be non-profitable. In addition other artist have been completing about receiving pennies.

I get that the situation is not great but it's what it is. I am not convinced Tidal is at all viable on its own. Then what? I think the Estate needs to make the best deals it can with all streaming services or least offer up all of his music for purchase across all platforms. Putting all his eggs in the Tidal basket is a mistake IMO.

-- Well the family will be in charge soon or later. I hope they can get upfront money from all of the platforms and I hope all of the artist can get better deals. The artist have to make a living or they cannot stay in the game.
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Reply #46 posted 11/16/16 8:29am

Ingela

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
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Reply #47 posted 11/16/16 8:53am

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Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.
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Reply #48 posted 11/16/16 9:02am

mjscarousal

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:
Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves. [Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]
Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.

Why are you still defending Tidal, even when it was revealed they still owe Prince money???

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Reply #49 posted 11/16/16 9:22am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:

Well im never going to subscribe to Tidal, so I hope Universal quickly clears this up and we start seeing his work on Spotify, Amazon, Apple music as well as new releases. Im so glad it went to a professional entity like Universal. Would have loved if it went back to Warner's, but universal is a good home. They have the expertise and the capital to do his work the justice it deserves.
[Edited 11/16/16 8:30am]

Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.


Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
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Reply #50 posted 11/16/16 10:01am

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Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


Wow forget what he wanted. You know it was Universal that caused the baby lawsuit. You know they stand to make money by trying to put the music in a butt cream commercials. Anyway it is not up to the fans it is up to his family in the end.


Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
[Edited 11/16/16 9:23am]

--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.
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Reply #51 posted 11/16/16 10:41am

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:



Listen, it's a huge investment for any company. And one that stands to gain the most by keeping their legendary artists as premium brands at all costs. Thats their job. These are long term investments and assuring their value is job one.

Butt cream is the type of amateur move that instantly devalues a premium brand and is something I would all but expect if the family retained the catalog.

Let the experts do their thing and shove the amateurs to the side.
[Edited 11/16/16 9:23am]

--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.


I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.
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Reply #52 posted 11/16/16 12:42pm

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Ingela said:

laurarichardson said:


--- Well rumor has it that one of the things Prince did not like is that Universal wanted to put the music in commercials to make money which he did not want to do. I don't think his family is going to put the songs in butt cream commercials I think they know better then Universal. The family has already retained a top entertain law firm so I think they have their own plan.


I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.

/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.
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Reply #53 posted 11/16/16 12:47pm

clairew1975

Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made?

I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.
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Reply #54 posted 11/16/16 12:52pm

lateagain1

I have no comment on the lawsuit or whatever happens with all of the shanigans that have and will follow since Prince's passing. But if Tidal do retain the singular rights then I will not own another Prince record/song/album.

For me I like something concrete for my money. Old fashioned I may be but downloads and clouds mean I own nothing if someone wans to take that away from me. CD, better quality sound then most sites and a physical hand held object for me to hold, see, read and enjoy, god I miss vinyl too.

Will we see Purple Rain reissue finally if Universal have the rights, or reissues on Universal label not Warner Bros, umm dont feel right to me.

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Reply #55 posted 11/16/16 1:04pm

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clairew1975 said:

Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made? I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.

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Reply #56 posted 11/16/16 1:08pm

Ingela

laurarichardson said:

Ingela said:



I do not think Universal would use his music as butt cream either, and I highly doubt Prince had much faith in what his family wanted either. But I would 100% trust Universal over a gold digging family without a clue all day long.

/// Prince moved away from Universsl as soon as the deal expired. He then became he is on administer why would he do that if he faith in Universal. Unless you know his family you need to get out of here with the goldigging comments. He took care of them and some of them worked for him. If he hated them he could have written a will and left them nothing. Instead they stand to inherit millions. Plenty of ways to get away from your family if you want but they all in close proximity to him so maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Anyway I am sure Universal will get the boot when the contract ends and the family is in charge.


You know asuch as I and anyone else knows so I wouldn't crow. And likewise if he wanted his family to contol his work he would have made a will expressing exactly that. So again I have no idea what you're crowing about.
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Reply #57 posted 11/16/16 1:17pm

clairew1975

paisleypark4 said:



clairew1975 said:


Does anyone have a link to the reported federal lawsuit that the Prince estate has made? I found the court claim from Roc Nation but can't see any links yo the lawsuit the estate has made. Thanks in advance.

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Yes I want to see proof of this otherwise it's just "click bait" from media trying to get views. I've found nothing so far....
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Reply #58 posted 11/16/16 1:32pm

rogifan

What gold digging family are you talking about? confused
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Reply #59 posted 11/16/16 1:36pm

Ingela

rogifan said:

What gold digging family are you talking about? confused



Oh that's right, no one had come out of the woodworks claiming to be related, absolutely no one. Glad you brought up such a valid point. Absolutely brilliant!
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