This album would of been regarded as a "classic" if it hadn't been for Push and Judghead! OMFG. I almost forgot how fuckin' awful those 2 songs were and are! WTF was Prince thinking when he thought "yeah, these are great songs and my fans will really like them!"

I have passed kidney stones that were more tolerable than those songs! I know "Horny Pony" was pulled from that album, which isn't that much better, but what other songs were recorded for that album and not included??

They are corny as hell but I still love the entire album. And I disagree. Not everything has to be a masterpiece- not everything has to be so serious. He was having fun with that album-- I love all of it.

Superfan1984 said:

They are corny as hell but I still love the entire album. And I disagree. Not everything has to be a masterpiece- not everything has to be so serious. He was having fun with that album-- I love all of it.

don't get me wrong, I do like the album BUT those songs simply have no place and have not aged well in 25 years...

Your opinion is that they have no place- I feel they do-- We can agree to disagree

IamBryan said:

This album would of been regarded as a "classic" if it hadn't been for Push and Judghead! OMFG. I almost forgot how fuckin' awful those 2 songs were and are! WTF was Prince thinking when he thought "yeah, these are great songs and my fans will really like them!"

I have passed kidney stones that were more tolerable than those songs! I know "Horny Pony" was pulled from that album, which isn't that much better, but what other songs were recorded for that album and not included??

Those 2 songs have been my least favorite on that album since day one. Album fillers. They belong on "The C sides". lol.. "Insatiable", "Cream", and "Money Don't Matter" are my favorites. RIP Prince!

IamBryan said:

I think Push minus the rap about Rosie's mama or whatever.... is the coolest song on the album. That wacked Prince guitar and funk beat living alongside that Clare Fischer orchestration. Oh lord - that is the sickest groove I'd heard in some time. Seriously - I have shown people that track to show people that Prince was still kicking ass in the 90s (also Live For Love) and they were super impressed.

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Jughead has the same beat as Housequake - musically all these are REALLY strong tracks. Is it the rapping? Is that what your issue is with these?

Push is great. I think it's my favourite song on the album. I like the groove of Jughead as well, never understood the hate for it

VanGogh said:

By 1991 album formats changed and people expected longer albums for CDs and cassettes. No more 9 track sets to fit LPs. Although Push and Jughead are by no means highlights on the album, I get their place at adding some uptempo fun. Maybe Schoolyard could have been (a little) better? Horny Pony had the same purpose as Gett Off so I get why that was dropped.

I'm glad Schoolyard never made the cut. Those lyrics are a big no for me. The days before 18 & Over

Yes Push is awesome and Jughead fits well with the evolution of rap.

lynx said:

Push is great. I think it's my favourite song on the album. I like the groove of Jughead as well, never understood the hate for it

IamBryan said:

This album would of been regarded as a "classic" if it hadn't been for Push and Judghead! OMFG. I almost forgot how fuckin' awful those 2 songs were and are! WTF was Prince thinking when he thought "yeah, these are great songs and my fans will really like them!"

I have passed kidney stones that were more tolerable than those songs! I know "Horny Pony" was pulled from that album, which isn't that much better, but what other songs were recorded for that album and not included??

I like "push" always have. "Jughead" was only really included as a dis-track.

This was one of the earlier configurations:

PrinceVault:

1. "The Flow"
2. "Daddy Pop"
3. "Diamonds and Pearls"
4. "Cream"
5. "Strollin'"
6. "Willing and Able"
7. "Violet the Organ Grinder"
8. "Walk Don't Walk"
9. "Horny Pony"
10. "Money Don't Matter 2 Nite"
11. "Something Funky (This House Comes)"
12. "Schoolyard"
13. "Live 4 Love"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamonds_and_Pearls#Album_evolution

"Something Funky (This House Comes)"

End of discussion!

I still love this album, always have and always will, despite its flaws (Tony M, Jughead, etc. ).

It is such an uplifting, positive , joyful album. My favorite songs are Strollin, Insatiable, Live 4 Love, Gett Off, and Money Don´t Matter 2Nite.

What surprises me in hindsight is how terrible the first version was before he added Gett Off and some other songs. I mean, Glam Slam 91 ? Seriously?

I do like the unpolished, rawer sounding version though.

I understand he had to use some fillers in the new CD age but come on, why add Jughead and Push when you have so many other great songs to pick from? He wrote some really great songs in those days and could have added some of the songs we know about that remain unreleased. Schoolyard and Horny Pony are not exactly songs that would have fit on this album.

Love the Gett Off remixes and different versions (Violet The Organ Grinder, Clockin the Jizz, Gangster Glam etc. ). Would have loved to see Get Some Solo on the album instead of Jughead. Or maybe 1000 Hugs and Kisses....now that would´ve been great but I think that was written after the album was released, right?

lynx said:

Push is great. I think it's my favourite song on the album. I like the groove of Jughead as well, never understood the hate for it

ummmm.....Prince....get on the mic....you don't want me on the mic??? No not like that...his worst attempt at rapping.... couldn't recover from that,,,

laurarichardson said:

IamBryan said:

This album would of been regarded as a "classic" if it hadn't been for Push and Judghead! OMFG. I almost forgot how fuckin' awful those 2 songs were and are! WTF was Prince thinking when he thought "yeah, these are great songs and my fans will really like them!"

I have passed kidney stones that were more tolerable than those songs! I know "Horny Pony" was pulled from that album, which isn't that much better, but what other songs were recorded for that album and not included??

-- The are the filler cuts and not the big deal people make them out to be. They were not even singles.

still horrible fillers....

"Jughead" is cool AF... Band sounds KILLER on it. Yeah, Tony isn't a great rapper but... P would go on to have greater lapses in taste that aren't as picked on...

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You know what the most overrated track on the record is? "Money Don't Matter 2 Night." THOSE LYRICS. Very trite. Very much cliched. And the band sounds duller than a wheat penny.

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When this album came out it was stone-cold LAST on my fave P albums list (it happened to come out on my b-day, which was summarily ruined by my disappointment. No joke. I was SO depressed that day).

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And that after spending the previous two months STOKED over "Gett Off" - the song itself, the bitchin' ass maxi CD single, and the truly awesome video.

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A quarter century later (!), I still place it well down the list - but compared to something as truly incoherent and uninspired as "Musicology" it DOES feel like a classic.

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The track I slept on for years and now love - "Strollin'"

[Edited 10/20/16 5:54am]

IamBryan said:

lynx said:

Push is great. I think it's my favourite song on the album. I like the groove of Jughead as well, never understood the hate for it

ummmm.....Prince....get on the mic....you don't want me on the mic??? No not like that...his worst attempt at rapping.... couldn't recover from that,,,

See that's my favourite Prince rap of all time..I love how he transitions from nervous to confident.

"Push" is pretty good. I think the reason why many people don't like it is because it sounds somewhat similar to "Jughead" as far as the production and the structure of the piece are concerned. However, it's classic Prince pop-funk, just done with the production values of the era.

If I had to axe out a few tracks from the album I'd go for:
Strollin'

Walk Don't Walk
Jughead

It's not that I don't enjoy the first two, or think that they are bad songs, but there's too much midtempo stuff on this album and if something would have to go those two seem the most underdeveloped musically. The album needs faster tracks like "Push" and "Daddy Pop" on it.

lynx said:

Push for me is one of the highlights on a mediocre album. it was the first Prince cd I bought (after buying some lp's since 1989) so expectations were huge, but it didn't fit my changing taste (to grunge) at all.

since then I have appreciated it more