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Prince's music is safe in a Corporation NPG Music LLC.

Mods do not more this to another forum. Very important info.

There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.

See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.

Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.

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Reply #1 posted 10/08/16 7:02pm

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I hear you loud and clear Laura. Plan on taking a look this weekend. Have a good one.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #2 posted 10/08/16 7:26pm

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Reply #3 posted 10/08/16 7:38pm

FUNKNROLL

Interesting... but what's it all mean?

Seems to fit the two year time frame when he told his sister his time on earth was done.

Was this done for the good of his family?

What sort of forseeable complication does this maneuver around?

Thanks for mentioning..

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Reply #4 posted 10/08/16 8:03pm

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FUNKNROLL said:

Interesting... but what's it all mean?


Seems to fit the two year time frame when he told his sister his time on earth was done.


Was this done for the good of his family?


What sort of forseeable complication does this maneuver around?



Thanks for mentioning..


A will can be contested and even trust can be disputed so moving the songs into a corporation means the songs are assets of the corporation they are not going to be auctioned off to pay estate taxes. The corporation can do as it sees fit with the assets. This is the reason the family is saying they can get music out by the end if the year. The family controls the music not Breamer or the probate court.
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Reply #5 posted 10/08/16 8:06pm

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Kara said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/406647

Back then we did not have the details and we did not know about his health issues.
[Edited 10/8/16 20:33pm]
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Reply #6 posted 10/08/16 11:44pm

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He did plan for the future to protect his legacy in spite of not having a will.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #7 posted 10/09/16 5:25am

FUNKNROLL

laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:

Interesting... but what's it all mean?


Seems to fit the two year time frame when he told his sister his time on earth was done.


Was this done for the good of his family?


What sort of forseeable complication does this maneuver around?



Thanks for mentioning..


A will can be contested and even trust can be disputed so moving the songs into a corporation means the songs are assets of the corporation they are not going to be auctioned off to pay estate taxes. The corporation can do as it sees fit with the assets. This is the reason the family is saying they can get music out by the end if the year. The family controls the music not Breamer or the probate court.


Thank you.
So how does Londell figure into things?
I thought he is in charge of the music, appointed by Bremer/the courts?
Does the separate entity put him, and all others, in check?
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Reply #8 posted 10/09/16 6:00am

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What is interesting here is the fact that if these business moves were made then it should be a beneficiary listed in case of death. Not a will per se but instructions on what to do if this happened.

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Reply #9 posted 10/09/16 6:01am

FUNKNROLL

Mumio said:

He did plan for the future to protect his legacy in spite of not having a will.



If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame.

I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you.


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[Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]
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Reply #10 posted 10/09/16 6:02am

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I also seem to think that by turning PP into a museum that it also changes what the state can do with the property.

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Reply #11 posted 10/09/16 6:34am

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laurarichardson said:

Kara said:


Back then we did not have the details and we did not know about his health issues.
[Edited 10/8/16 20:33pm]

Sure. I just posted the link so people could see the news that was reported at the time, and how people reacted to it.
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Reply #12 posted 10/09/16 6:35am

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FUNKNROLL said:

laurarichardson said:


A will can be contested and even trust can be disputed so moving the songs into a corporation means the songs are assets of the corporation they are not going to be auctioned off to pay estate taxes. The corporation can do as it sees fit with the assets. This is the reason the family is saying they can get music out by the end if the year. The family controls the music not Breamer or the probate court.


Thank you.
So how does Londell figure into things?
I thought he is in charge of the music, appointed by Bremer/the courts?
Does the separate entity put him, and all others, in check?

--- Mrs. Parks is listed as a V.P.of the LLC so he has to be working with her.
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Reply #13 posted 10/09/16 6:53am

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good 2 know this, thanks cool

flowing through the veins of the tree of life...purplemaplesyrup
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Reply #14 posted 10/09/16 6:58am

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FUNKNROLL said:

Mumio said:

He did plan for the future to protect his legacy in spite of not having a will.

If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame. I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you. . [Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]

nod
flowing through the veins of the tree of life...purplemaplesyrup
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Reply #15 posted 10/09/16 7:23am

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FUNKNROLL said:

Mumio said:

He did plan for the future to protect his legacy in spite of not having a will.



If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame.

I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you.
-- I don't think his sister was grieving for two years because he got his freedom or was just at a point of retirement. She knew when the employee called her what the call was about. She knew it was not about freedom.

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[Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]

[Edited 10/9/16 7:25am]
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Reply #16 posted 10/09/16 7:38am

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laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:
If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame. I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you. -- I don't think his sister was grieving for two years because he got his freedom or was just at a point of retirement. She knew when the employee called her what the call was about. She knew it was not about freedom. . [Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]
[Edited 10/9/16 7:25am]

Laura I was speculating about this when he passed on.

Resigning with Warner Brothers.

The whole Art Official Age album.

The epic 10 minute SNL episode.

The only curve ball to me is the Fentanyl.

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Reply #17 posted 10/09/16 7:40am

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

Mods do not more this to another forum. Very important info.

There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.

See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.

Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.

So if Rodney Dixion pulled these records, he must have known of their existance

~What took him so long?~Why didnt he present them immediately..?

Surely Phaedra would know about all this too..obviously the documents bearing her name and signature...but what about the Documents bearing Princes signature which doesnt look like anything Ive ever seen signed by him btw...WOuldnt Phaedra know about all this since she lead the Battle ?

And it looks like P had a lot of foresight as usual....this Dixion Person...SOmeone in Princes camp must know about or OF him ????

The PLOT THickens....



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Reply #18 posted 10/09/16 7:55am

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Dixon is extremely shady and he is someone that I am paying close attention to.

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Reply #19 posted 10/09/16 8:02am

rogifan

How does Trevor Guy (Donna Grantis's husband) figure into all of this? Wasn't he running this?

EDIT: this is what Trevor has on his LinkedIn profile:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevorguy


[Edited 10/9/16 8:16am]
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muleFunk said:



laurarichardson said:


FUNKNROLL said:
If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame. I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you. -- I don't think his sister was grieving for two years because he got his freedom or was just at a point of retirement. She knew when the employee called her what the call was about. She knew it was not about freedom. . [Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]

[Edited 10/9/16 7:25am]


Laura I was speculating about this when he passed on.


Resigning with Warner Brothers.


The whole Art Official Age album.


The epic 10 minute SNL episode.



The only curve ball to me is the Fentanyl.


--- I believe the Fentanyl was accidental. He would not have been able to get anything done if he was abusing that shit for a year. Even the stuff he thought he was taking was low level. I think he was trying to cold turkey off the meds and struggling with it. The question of course is why.
[Edited 10/9/16 10:19am]
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Reply #21 posted 10/09/16 10:13am

1Sasha

Most celebrities of Prince's stature have a team around them performing the functions assigned to Trevor. Perhaps P had such a small team in order to contain any information leaking to the public about what was happening (plus he hated lawyers, etc.).

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Reply #22 posted 10/09/16 10:16am

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Lovejunky said:



laurarichardson said:


Mods do not more this to another forum. Very important info.



There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.



See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E


http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf



Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.


Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.


Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.



Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.



It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.



Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.





So if Rodney Dixion pulled these records, he must have known of their existance



~What took him so long?~Why didnt he present them immediately..?



Surely Phaedra would know about all this too..obviously the documents bearing her name and signature...but what about the Documents bearing Princes signature which doesnt look like anything Ive ever seen signed by him btw...WOuldnt Phaedra know about all this since she lead the Battle ?



And it looks like P had a lot of foresight as usual....this Dixion Person...SOmeone in Princes camp must know about or OF him ????



The PLOT THickens....










//Well anyone can pull documents from the Copyright office and find out if a corporation is registered in a state and who the offices are of the corporation. Breamer already knows about this corporation and Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins,. Rodney sued Prince and Warner Brothers back in the 90s with the exact same argument he lost them and he is going to lose now. The songs are not going to be touched by Mr.Dixon.
[Edited 10/9/16 12:45pm]
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Reply #23 posted 10/09/16 10:18am

laurarichardso
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1Sasha said:

Most celebrities of Prince's stature have a team around them performing the functions assigned to Trevor. Perhaps P had such a small team in order to contain any information leaking to the public about what was happening (plus he hated lawyers, etc.).


-/ Van Jones, Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, , and Londell are all lawyers he did not hate them all.
[Edited 10/9/16 10:19am]
[Edited 10/9/16 12:45pm]
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Reply #24 posted 10/09/16 10:39am

FUNKNROLL

laurarichardson said:

FUNKNROLL said:



If these details are accurate and connected, he seems to have achieved his wish - to die a free man. Perhaps two years ago his "all I came to do" comment was referencing this achievement. I had read his rights would start reverting to him on a rolling yearly basis. Perhaps some industry insider folks learned he was passing, too, and that influenced accommodating him on a faster time frame.

I think we all crave such freedom - imagine all that you do for your work, providing some measure of life's joy to others, is a reflection of you without others taking undue credit or steering you.
-- I don't think his sister was grieving for two years because he got his freedom or was just at a point of retirement. She knew when the employee called her what the call was about. She knew it was not about freedom.

.
[Edited 10/9/16 6:06am]

[Edited 10/9/16 7:25am]


I have no doubt she is/was grieving for her brother.
I was imagining his "all I came here to do" comment would include understanding his time had come and the arrangements made two years ago amounting to Prince bucking the constraints we all live with, regardless of color...achieving personal freedom in life, not just making a dent via music.

We all I've in an artificial cage regardless of color. The bars are our own willingness to comply. I'm just some white guy and I live/work in a system which demands my compliance at every turn. I go to work and do my job so my boss can take credit for an effective and compliant employee. Like most, if I had talent and means to execute a unique vision I would strike out on my own. What would you do with your life if you arrived on this planet and there wasn't a system of poverty and debt that required compliance?

I admire Prince for being an electrifying creative, keenly mindful of his contributions and making it clear whose hand is on the wheel.

Apologies for the thread drift.
Your post connected some dots and I wanted to share.


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FUNKNROLL said:

laurarichardson said:
[Edited 10/9/16 7:25am]
I have no doubt she is/was grieving for her brother. I was imagining his "all I came here to do" comment would include understanding his time had come and the arrangements made two years ago amounting to Prince bucking the constraints we all live with, regardless of color...achieving personal freedom in life, not just making a dent via music. We all I've in an artificial cage regardless of color. The bars are our own willingness to comply. I'm just some white guy and I live/work in a system which demands my compliance at every turn. I go to work and do my job so my boss can take credit for an effective and compliant employee. Like most, if I had talent and means to execute a unique vision I would strike out on my own. What would you do with your life if you arrived on this planet and there wasn't a system of poverty and debt that required compliance? I admire Prince for being an electrifying creative, keenly mindful of his contributions and making it clear whose hand is on the wheel. Apologies for the thread drift. Your post connected some dots and I wanted to share. . [Edited 10/9/16 10:56am]

No problem man. I feel you on your comments and I one of the reasons I admired Prince was his desire to be free of the man. He was a creative person who just wanted to be left the hell alone to create and he found a way to make it happen. Makes me sad he could not see another decade of enjoyment with owning his works but none of us are promised perfect health but he did make everyday count right to the end. So that to says a lot about him as a person. You remember a person on how the lived not how they died and he lived.

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Reply #26 posted 10/09/16 12:35pm

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laurarichardson said:

Mods do not more this to another forum. Very important info.

There is a crazy man named Rodney Dixion who claims he has power of attorney over all of Prince’s music. Now he has crazy ass documents in his claim most of which is total nonsense however he has pulled some information from the copyright office that explains how Prince made sure his music would not be affected by the Probate process. Please see the Estate 4 topic to see all of the great people who pulled this together.

See the link below. See Exhibit A, B, and E

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...randum.pdf

Exhibit A is an 'exclusive songwriter agreement' dated April 2014 in which Prince assigns all copyright to NPG Music ( Prince's own company). As this is around the time Prince announced getting his masters back from WB , this must have been part of the business side of getting this all set up.

Exhibit B is a copyright form (public document) registering all 965 songs to NPG music. Dated Feb 4 2016. so recent! As 965 sounds about right in terms of the total number of songs Prince had registered, this seems to be about him changing the registration from his own name to NPG as the copyright owner, I guess aligning it all to the new agreement with NPG.

Exhibit E is a public document recording that NPG Music Publishing is being set up as an LLC in California, dated march 2014.

Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins is listed as the manager of NPG music publishing, and we know she was credited with working with Prince to help him regain ownership of his masters.

It would appear that the LLC owns the songs and I would bet money that Prince’s siblings are the shareholders. This would mean that the songs will not be affected by whatever happens to the estate. I believe he saw the foolishness with his Dad’s estate and found a why to get around the courts and protect his music.

Let’s discuss and think about how he did all this two years ago right around the time he told his sister he was done.


Also around the time he got his masters back?

Transfering ownership to his own company isn't that strange? Same with the publishing. He had control of the US rights to his music.


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Reply #27 posted 10/09/16 12:36pm

FlyOnTheWall

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Most celebrities of Prince's stature have a team around them performing the functions assigned to Trevor. Perhaps P had such a small team in order to contain any information leaking to the public about what was happening (plus he hated lawyers, etc.).

-/ Van Jones, Phreda Parks, and Londell are all lawyers he did not hate them all. [Edited 10/9/16 10:19am]

Prince had no dealings with Phaedra Parks from the "Real Housewives of Atlanta." He worked closely with Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, a labor executive.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said: -/ Van Jones, Phreda Parks, and Londell are all lawyers he did not hate them all. [Edited 10/9/16 10:19am]

Prince had no dealings with Phaedra Parks from the "Real Housewives of Atlanta." He worked closely with Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, a labor executive.

Yes, smart ass I will go back and edit. If you take your smart ass over to the documents you will see that Phaedra Eliis Lamkins is listed on the LLC docs. My mistake with the name does change her role or the fact that she was an attorney he trusted.

Somethings never change on the org.

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Reply #29 posted 10/09/16 12:48pm

FlyOnTheWall

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Prince had no dealings with Phaedra Parks from the "Real Housewives of Atlanta." He worked closely with Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, a labor executive.

Yes, smart ass I will go back and edit. If you take your smart ass over to the documents you will see that Phaedra Eliis Lamkins is listed on the LLC docs. My mistake with the name does change her role or the fact that she was an attorney he trusted.

Somethings never change on the org.

WoW. I meant no harm. Angry, much???

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