Morningstarlet said:

jcurley said:

Prince's family are pure trash. God he's not just a genius musically but as a human to overcome that bag of scum. Tyka is living proof

That's pretty harsh, especially from someone that didn't know them. Tyra got into drugs and prostitution which put a strain on her relationship with Prince. But she overcame it and is clean and married now. People do change. "Despite their strained relationship, it was Prince who entered Tyka into a rehab program in the early 2000s, she told The National Enquirer. She said she battled addiction to cocaine and prostituted herself to support her children." [Edited 10/8/16 8:09am]

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And it's not even evil to be a prostitute. It could be seen as honest work, although obviously not idea if you have to have sex with a bunch of gross guys. Although some are probably ok.

I LOVE what he LOVES!!!!

jcurley said:

Prince's family are pure trash. God he's not just a genius musically but as a human to overcome that bag of scum. Tyka is living proof

Damn

My only thing is this if John got Mattie pregnant while he was still married then that says alot and explains alot. Poor Prince actually overcame alot it appears.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

My only thing is this if John got Mattie pregnant while he was still married then that says alot and explains alot. Poor Prince actually overcame alot it appears.

Well that is not what the court docs say. I think the worst thing was taking in Duane and treating him like you son and being hard on your real son. WTF was that about?

laurarichardson said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

My only thing is this if John got Mattie pregnant while he was still married then that says alot and explains alot. Poor Prince actually overcame alot it appears.

Well that is not what the court docs say. I think the worst thing was taking in Duane and treating him like you son and being hard on your real son. WTF was that about?

I agree. He kicked out his own flesh and blood cos Prince had a chick in his room. But he treated Duane better. From what I have read here, Duane and John L had similar behavoirs, perhaps that is why they got a long.

I get the impression Prince tried to find good in everyone. I think John L was close to Prince 1984-1987 cos of Prince's success, living on his coat tails. I think Prince was cool, he wanted a relationship with his father. Natural. Over time they feel out and in.

I also thought that is why Prince did the jazz thing. Not so much to throw it in his dad's face like a competition, but to reach out maybe. After all, it was in his "blood".

What Prince has done with his life, from being kicked out, the isolation he felt from childhood, to not having a single job except music, become successful in numerous areas, overcoming the drama with that success, is a once in a lifetime event. The odds of what Prince accomplished from where he came from, is greater than any lottery.

I say this not to trash Prince's family at all. The relationships and trials from Prince's youth was instrumental in his desire to be the best and to his accomplishments. He has my utmost respect.

AnonymousFan said:

jcurley said:

Prince's family are pure trash. God he's not just a genius musically but as a human to overcome that bag of scum. Tyka is living proof

Tyka's not trash. She just got into somethings she shouldn't have, but she's gotten over it now and she seems like a nice lady. She's obviously doing her best to run the estate in line with Prince's wishes and she seems to be doing a rather fine job.

If she'd just never gotten herself together and was a completely mess, that'd be a different story, but it's not the case now.

She seems "obviously" far out to me.

Well, as you said not completely, People Magazine,
now call Rolling Stone Magazine too Tyka, your next of kin's ass is gone.

She may have quit, but the damages to the brain...
At least that would explain the "I'll show you my urn in public".

That leaves us with a question:

"Papa", for Hayward or John?

AnonymousFan said:

Prince seems to have idolized his father, but John just seems like a genuinely bad guy from everything we know about him. Even worse than Joe Jackson - Joe just wanted his family to succeed and he made that happen, but I don't even know what was up with John Nelson - he seems like he was just evil for no reason.

I don't mean to come on here and diss their dad, but I really don't understand this man.

He was a neglectful father - he seems to have shunned and disowned some of his kids while having an on/off relationship with some of them. It looks like the only reason he liked Prince better than his other kids was because of his money and resources.

He hopped around from woman to woman impregnating them and leaving - it's just irredeemably immoral in itself.

He teased Prince and told him he'll never be "as good" has him.

He put his own son out on the street for behavior John himself probably was guilty of.

Then, there's probably a whole bunch of stuff we don't know about.

Why did Prince like this man so much?

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Prince never really spoke negatively about either of his parents. He did not have an idyllic childhood. His stated that his father was strict and a disciplinarian. Given the fact that both Prince's parents come from a musical background, I think Prince was a high-achiever. He said that his father told him that he wanted Prince to be more than he could be. I think Prince accomplished that, and so much more!

cloveringold85 said:

Based on what has been said from Prince's mouth over the years, his father was a lot of things. Not at all do I think it's ok to kick your 12 year old son out on the streets, basically abuse if you ask me. But, I don't think he was evil, maybe off (mentally) and detached. I'll admit, I have mixed feelings about his father but his mother, IMO, is questionable too, especially when she was social worker...but I'm sure tried her best but we'll honestly never know unless Tyka puts out a book and write from her perspective of her parents and her upbringing.

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

I always thought it was because as a younger person, Prince acted rebelllous, well they often clashed.

But he appreciate his father's strictness and understood as he gotten older. Keep in mind his father was very old when Prince was very young and his father was more traditional and old school with some of his views and displine. I always thought Prince had more issues with his mother and stepfather. It is kind of interesting he never mentioned his mother during his Piano Tour but I could be wrong.

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He definitely mentioned his father more than his mother on these shows. At one of the Oakland shows he talked about wanting to be like his father and said "I loved everything my father did - my mother, the Bible and music".

LOL Only Prince would say something cray cray like that...but then again he has to be thankful because had his father not bend his mom over and knocked her up, we wouldn't have Prince.

Genesia said:

KoolEaze said:

Prince never spoke badly about his dad and even during their worst falling outs never criticized him in public even when he mentioned the not so pleasant and tough moments in their relationship, so why call him "evil". Did you know him on a personal level?

And as far as his stepfather Hayward Baker goes, Prince was standing right next to me while he was hugging and greeting him inside Paisley Park during the 2002 celebration and they had a conversation and you could see a smile and a glow on Prince´s face. I doubt that he was still holding anything against him that happened during his teenage years.

He also mentinoned John L. during the shows and spoke fondly of him, so I think it´s not up to us to judge him or call him evil.

I´m sure you could find some things to criticize about him if you dig enough and speak with the right people but...why would anybody want to do that?

If anything, that would be up to potential biographers.

Then again, I understand that there might be an interest to discuss this factor in his life , especially here in this forum dedicated to his life and art. But it is a thin line between unjust accusations and hearsay and hard facts.

In the young Prince's eyes, his stepfather's biggest sin was having sex with Prince's mother. No kid likes to think of his or her mother that way - especially when the man in question isn't their father. That is definitely going to set a boy against a stepfather - it's basic biology.

And having that man also set rules in his house that you don't want to follow? How many times do you think Prince yelled at his stepfather, "You're not my dad!"

Yeah, I agree and especially when your father is present in your life and here goes this man taking the role in the house, sexing your mom, I guess I would feel some type of way about that too.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

AbstractPoetic91 said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

AbstractPoetic91 said:

LOL Only Prince would say something cray cray like that...but then again he has to be thankful because had his father not bend his mom over and knocked her up, we wouldn't have Prince.

--- I think he meant loved his mom in a non-sexual manner. Come on now. [Edited 10/12/16 5:30am]

I was clearly joking.

rogifan said:

AbstractPoetic91 said:

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

I always thought it was because as a younger person, Prince acted rebelllous, well they often clashed.

But he appreciate his father's strictness and understood as he gotten older. Keep in mind his father was very old when Prince was very young and his father was more traditional and old school with some of his views and displine. I always thought Prince had more issues with his mother and stepfather. It is kind of interesting he never mentioned his mother during his Piano Tour but I could be wrong.

[Edited 10/7/16 12:35pm]

He definitely mentioned his father more than his mother on these shows. At one of the Oakland shows he talked about wanting to be like his father and said "I loved everything my father did - my mother, the Bible and music".

LOL Only Prince would say something cray cray like that...but then again he has to be thankful because had his father not bend his mom over and knocked her up, we wouldn't have Prince.

Ok I'm not following, what's crazy about what he said?

laurarichardson said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

My only thing is this if John got Mattie pregnant while he was still married then that says alot and explains alot. Poor Prince actually overcame alot it appears.

Well that is not what the court docs say. I think the worst thing was taking in Duane and treating him like you son and being hard on your real son. WTF was that about?

Dont know what the court docs say and dont care John and Mattie got around its easy to figure that out with all the half siblings.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince never really spoke negatively about either of his parents. He did not have an idyllic childhood. His stated that his father was strict and a disciplinarian. Given the fact that both Prince's parents come from a musical background, I think Prince was a high-achiever. He said that his father told him that he wanted Prince to be more than he could be. I think Prince accomplished that, and so much more!

- He talked about his Dad being physicals and verbally abusive toward him. His dad threw him out in the streets.

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Yes, he did. But he never talked bad about them. I think he had a lot of respect for his Dad and seeked his approval, like most men do from their fathers. He said "his parents did the best they could". I thought it was wrong for his father to throw him out on the streets. I think he was only like, 12 years old? Seems like P made ammends with his Mom and Dad.

AbstractPoetic91 said:

Based on what has been said from Prince's mouth over the years, his father was a lot of things. Not at all do I think it's ok to kick your 12 year old son out on the streets, basically abuse if you ask me. But, I don't think he was evil, maybe off (mentally) and detached. I'll admit, I have mixed feelings about his father but his mother, IMO, is questionable too, especially when she was social worker...but I'm sure tried her best but we'll honestly never know unless Tyka puts out a book and write from her perspective of her parents and her upbringing.

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Yea, the fact that P's Mom was a "Social Worker" -- that really got me!!

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Maybe later on in life, they changed for the better?

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nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

Well that is not what the court docs say. I think the worst thing was taking in Duane and treating him like you son and being hard on your real son. WTF was that about?

I agree. He kicked out his own flesh and blood cos Prince had a chick in his room. But he treated Duane better. From what I have read here, Duane and John L had similar behavoirs, perhaps that is why they got a long.

I get the impression Prince tried to find good in everyone. I think John L was close to Prince 1984-1987 cos of Prince's success, living on his coat tails. I think Prince was cool, he wanted a relationship with his father. Natural. Over time they feel out and in.

I also thought that is why Prince did the jazz thing. Not so much to throw it in his dad's face like a competition, but to reach out maybe. After all, it was in his "blood".

What Prince has done with his life, from being kicked out, the isolation he felt from childhood, to not having a single job except music, become successful in numerous areas, overcoming the drama with that success, is a once in a lifetime event. The odds of what Prince accomplished from where he came from, is greater than any lottery.

I say this not to trash Prince's family at all. The relationships and trials from Prince's youth was instrumental in his desire to be the best and to his accomplishments. He has my utmost respect.

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Very well said, indeed. Prince did not have the perfect childhood, nor the best parents as role models. I think he wanted approval from his father, eventhough his father was not a good example, and that may caused issues with his own relationships later on. I think Prince did his best to accept his parents the way they were. He rose above all that. He was a very strong person.

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DiamondsnPearls44 said:

laurarichardson said:

Well that is not what the court docs say. I think the worst thing was taking in Duane and treating him like you son and being hard on your real son. WTF was that about?

Dont know what the court docs say and dont care John and Mattie got around its easy to figure that out with all the half siblings.

Well you need to read the court docs and do some math. The older sibs are from his first wife. He got married to Mattie after divorcing his wife and year later P came along. He then left Mattie after 10 years and went back to his first wife he had Duane while John was married to Mattie.

No mention of who Duane's dad was so John took him in. This whole senerio is causing the only real hold up in the estate right now.

laurarichardson said:

AnonymousFan said:

jcurley said:

Prince's family are pure trash. God he's not just a genius musically but as a human to overcome that bag of scum. Tyka is living proof

Tyka's not trash. She just got into somethings she shouldn't have, but she's gotten over it now and she seems like a nice lady. She's obviously doing her best to run the estate in line with Prince's wishes and she seems to be doing a rather fine job.

If she'd just never gotten herself together and was a completely mess, that'd be a different story, but it's not the case now.

to the bolded part.

[Edited 10/12/16 19:09pm]

laurarichardson said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Dont know what the court docs say and dont care John and Mattie got around its easy to figure that out with all the half siblings.

Well you need to read the court docs and do some math. The older sibs are from his first wife. He got married to Mattie after divorcing his wife and year later P came along. He then left Mattie after 10 years and went back to his first wife he had Duane while John was married to Mattie.

No mention of who Duane's dad was so John took him in. This whole senerio is causing the only real hold up in the estate right now.

Dont like math but thanks for doing The Work

cloveringold85 said:

AnonymousFan said:

Prince seems to have idolized his father, but John just seems like a genuinely bad guy from everything we know about him. Even worse than Joe Jackson - Joe just wanted his family to succeed and he made that happen, but I don't even know what was up with John Nelson - he seems like he was just evil for no reason.

I don't mean to come on here and diss their dad, but I really don't understand this man.

He was a neglectful father - he seems to have shunned and disowned some of his kids while having an on/off relationship with some of them. It looks like the only reason he liked Prince better than his other kids was because of his money and resources.

He hopped around from woman to woman impregnating them and leaving - it's just irredeemably immoral in itself.

He teased Prince and told him he'll never be "as good" has him.

He put his own son out on the street for behavior John himself probably was guilty of.

Then, there's probably a whole bunch of stuff we don't know about.

Why did Prince like this man so much?

[Edited 10/6/16 20:18pm]

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Prince never really spoke negatively about either of his parents. He did not have an idyllic childhood. His stated that his father was strict and a disciplinarian. Given the fact that both Prince's parents come from a musical background, I think Prince was a high-achiever. He said that his father told him that he wanted Prince to be more than he could be. I think Prince accomplished that, and so much more!

to the bolded/underlined part.

NinaB said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you need to read the court docs and do some math. The older sibs are from his first wife. He got married to Mattie after divorcing his wife and year later P came along. He then left Mattie after 10 years and went back to his first wife he had Duane while John was married to Mattie.

No mention of who Duane's dad was so John took him in. This whole senerio is causing the only real hold up in the estate right now.

Are u saying Duane's Mom is John's first wife?

Yes, but no mention of who Duane's real father is or was. Duane's daughter has now admitted that her Dad was not a blood relation to John or Prince.

laurarichardson said: